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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Most of this will be US-specific so apologies in advance to forum members in other countries.

Over the last few weeks Americans, who for the most part don't closely follow this stuff, have seen a real-life example play out of the left attempting to assassinate a man's character using sexual assault allegations that ranged from uncorroborated to outright ludicrous (the Avenatti rape train accusation). Not only did they see the left do this to Kavanaugh as an indivudal, but a large percentage of the population can see the reasoning behind and the fact that the left attempted to use unfounded sexual assault allegations as a political weapon.

There have been other high-profile false rape claim cases (Duke lacrosse and Clarence Thomas come to mind), but Duke didn't have the wider political implications and neither came during a time of social media, with the MSM telling us that any woman claiming to have been raped or assaulted must be absolutely believed no matter what (unless the attacker is himself a leftist of course).

Decades from now, if we are able to defeat this cancer eating away at western civilization, will we look back on the last few weeks as the tipping point?

I got my Magnum condoms, I got my wad of hundreds, I'm ready to plow!
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Hate to say but we aren't at that point just yet. Sure. We will see less feminists on a per capita basis. However, people who lose usually tend to get mad and harden their positions even further. So while more people are turning against the crazy religion of feminism, the few diehard followers will harden their positions and get even crazier.

Good news though! Liberal crying memes are going to much funnier over the next few years!
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Quote: (10-07-2018 09:09 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Hate to say but we aren't at that point just yet. Sure. We will see less feminists on a per capita basis. However, people who lose usually tend to get mad and harden their positions even further. So while more people are turning against the crazy religion of feminism, the few diehard followers will harden their positions and get even crazier.

Good news though! Liberal crying memes are going to much funnier over the next few years!

Yeah, I completely agree. I didn't intend to suggest that there isn't still a long way to go. But I think the last few weeks have destroyed feminism's and the MSM's credibility in the eyes of a lot of people, and if we win this fight we may someday look back on September/early October 2018 as the time where the tide of public opinion changed.

I got my Magnum condoms, I got my wad of hundreds, I'm ready to plow!
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Sidenote, but relevant to your username and the post:

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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Quote: (10-07-2018 09:23 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  

Quote: (10-07-2018 09:09 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Hate to say but we aren't at that point just yet. Sure. We will see less feminists on a per capita basis. However, people who lose usually tend to get mad and harden their positions even further. So while more people are turning against the crazy religion of feminism, the few diehard followers will harden their positions and get even crazier.

Good news though! Liberal crying memes are going to much funnier over the next few years!

Yeah, I completely agree. I didn't intend to suggest that there isn't still a long way to go. But I think the last few weeks have destroyed feminism's and the MSM's credibility in the eyes of a lot of people, and if we win this fight we may someday look back on September/early October 2018 as the time where the tide of public opinion changed.

One can only hope so. Seems like the leftists' only strategy is to double down on every fountain of crap they can spout and hope they get enough gullible fence-sitters to come to their side.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

You would hope that after what he just went through, his eyes have been opened.
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#7

Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Sadly no, too many people still believe her, it could ignite the movement more because they have lost.

It does show that the machinations of democracy are still in place with the 50-48 vote. Plus USA will keep a conservative judge on the bench for the next 25 years !

Its a win which will keep the movement from implementing their laws, or having their laws implemented via 'revisionist constitutionalism'

“Where the danger is, so grows the saving element.” ~ German poet Hoelderlin
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

I hesitate to jump on the conservative bandwagon because I do remember the days that they were hijacked by the Christian extremists and were trying to ban everything fun. Who knew the Dems were worse?

I know Trump is an outlier, but when he's gone, it might not be so much fun having conservative majorities in everything.

Let's not forget, he's not a real Republican. The pendulum swings both ways. Just because you're happy with the way it's swinging now doesn't mean you'll be happy in 10 years when it's swinging back the other way.

It wasn't too long ago that Fox News was unbearable bullshit and that MSNBC and the Daily Show were pushing back hard against them and the Bush administration and their lies. They seemed right at the time.

Now it's the complete opposite. Fox News, primarily because of Tucker Carlson, is the voice of reason and MSNBC is basically the PR wing of the DNC.

What's the real difference between the GOP and the DNC? Stronger passwords?

I don't think it can be overstated how huge this opportunity is for Trump to reset the future of the country. I can't believe how many people are still against him to be honest. You can't even talk to anyone that is anti-Trump. They just spew the same nonsense no matter what. He's racist. He's a sexual predator.

How do you fix stupid?
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

SJW's are openly going after due process and the presumption of innocence, enshrined in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 11.

They no longer camouflage their motivations in the language of equity. In a recent interview Alyssa Milano, who lacks even a community college degree, plainly stated that MeToo seeks to "define due process": https://bit.ly/2PjzJeC

People in the political middle are now seeing hard leftist tactics for what they are: anti-Democratic. I was surprised that the comments on the Youtube streams for the Kavanaugh hearings overwhelmingly professed support for the now Supreme Court Judge, and contempt for Democrats.

Not sure it's a tipping point, but it seems the ship is getting righted. A clearer picture will emerge after the Midterm elections.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

I usually skim the news or get it from here/Heartiste/from my dad, but I followed this whole debacle pretty closely. The fact that this absolute farce was allowed to go on for as long as it did *as well* as the precedent it would have set had the left been able to ruin BK's career and block his nomination...pretty scary stuff. Hopefully some people have been woken up to the lunacy but the left's ideology has become their de facto religion and they will become more fanatic...This will give them a reason in their minds to disregard SC rulings and the divide will widen.

On another note, during the coverage of this story was the first time I had heard the mainstream media (pretty sure it was TC or someone else on FOX) use the term "culture war
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Quote: (10-07-2018 07:03 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  

Most of this will be US-specific so apologies in advance to forum members in other countries.

Over the last few weeks Americans, who for the most part don't closely follow this stuff, have seen a real-life example play out of the left attempting to assassinate a man's character using sexual assault allegations that ranged from uncorroborated to outright ludicrous (the Avenatti rape train accusation). Not only did they see the left do this to Kavanaugh as an indivudal, but a large percentage of the population can see the reasoning behind and the fact that the left attempted to use unfounded sexual assault allegations as a political weapon.

There have been other high-profile false rape claim cases (Duke lacrosse and Clarence Thomas come to mind), but Duke didn't have the wider political implications and neither came during a time of social media, with the MSM telling us that any woman claiming to have been raped or assaulted must be absolutely believed no matter what (unless the attacker is himself a leftist of course).

Decades from now, if we are able to defeat this cancer eating away at western civilization, will we look back on the last few weeks as the tipping point?

You are correct, #MeToo has suffered a mortal blow, and while it will probably not come to a dead halt, it will never recover from this. The same weekend as Kavanaugh got confirmed, Rose McGowan had this to say:

"On the subject of #MeToo, she said: 'I just think they're douchebags. They're not champions. I just think they're losers. I don't like them.
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McGowan has also hit out at Meryl Streep, saying that it is 'literally impossible' the actress knew nothing of Weinstein's sexual proclivities until last autumn. Streep has denied knowing about the producer's alleged behaviour.

Though she says 'women have a tight to be angry', McGowan says #MeToo activists have 'sold themselves a fiction' rather than face up to the true nature of Hollywood."

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6249875/Actress-Rose-McGowan-triggered-Harvey-Weinsteins-downfall-says-MeToo-bull.html

It may not be apparent right now, but the #MeToo monster is hemorrhaging blood, and will not be able to stand by mid-2019. The harpies accidentally let the mask slip at the Kavanaugh hearings, and revealed themselves to be monsters. The public is not going to forget that the same people demanding an end to due process and presumption of innocence were also screaming and bullying US senators in order to keep aborting babies. Now even crazy Rose McGowan has abandoned them.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

I doubt it. Every republican I saw interviewed or giving statements besides Graham was incessantly doling out concessions to Ford and "sexual violence" and basically affirming the #metoo argument that sexual violence, sexual misconduct, sexual harassment, etc. are all major problems in the country and women need to be heard and it's important to bla bla bla.

Not one, not a single one could find the courage to say "Hey, things are actually not so bad for women right now." or "Hey, rape and sexual assault are at historic lows." or "Hey, this is having a terrible impact on men in this country and the natural relations between the sexes." or anything like that. None. Except Trump. That shows masculine related issues that we talk about on the forum are all but out of the minds of our most powerful politicians. There is no driving force to restore sanity. I never thought these kinds of things were on Trump's agenda and I still don't.

And honestly, if he had consensual sex with that woman, or was merely at the party in question, he would have been destroyed. This comically ridiculous allegation was eaten up by the true believers in this country. We have a long way to go. I don't even know when eyes will seriously start to be opened. The Duke lacrosse case was 12 years ago...twelve. That whole situation was a travesty and the whole nation was paying attention. Yet feminism essentially marched on unimpeded.

I still maintain this was only a turning point for them if they won, and a necessary victory for survival for us. We stopped the allies from establishing a beachhead but are still getting pushed on many sides. We need to win and win for a long time to have a chance at turning this around. If the new nationalist energized right in the country is already apathetic after 2 years of winning after 8 horrible years under comrade Obama, then I think we are really fucked. So we need to win in the midterms, that's the next battle.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Rape culture does exist.

It's what they're importing to the west from the middle east and africa.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

It might be. On social media, I've seen even meek Churchians / tradcons getting fired up about this. Justice Kavanaugh in his personal life could easily be one of them: a father, husband, brother or son. It really hits them at a personal level, unlike false accusations thrown at people like President Trump.
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Quote: (10-08-2018 02:14 AM)Salesian Wrote:  

SJW's are openly going after due process

Not to mention statute of limitations.
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The Useful Idiots definitely overplayed their hand on this one.

Had it been some Ted Nugent Texan type character, the moderates would not have responded as they did.
That is was such an otherwise middle of the road type character, must have startled quite a few moderates & centrists.

All the while, it wasn't even with legitimate evidence & such, just wild ree-steria.
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Justice Kavanaugh’s confirmation to SCOTUS is to the #MeToo movement what the election of Trump was to the Social Justice movement in general - a signifier that the battle is well and truly joined, nothing more.

This is not anywhere near over. Not by a long shot.

HSLD
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No it’s not a tipping point. Sj idiots still run tv apparently
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

My impression of the Kavanaugh debacle is not that he was a good or even great SCOTUS pick. Probably milquetoast. There was not much hype in conservative circles.

However, with the Leftist lunacy the base was energized and hype was generated, they managed to wake the beast somewhat.

And the debate shifted from "Kavanaugh the meh appointee" to "Kavanaugh the wrongly accused family man".

As we can see it was highly effective, not only that, the whole charade has probably made an impression on the man and might have made him a bit more of a shitlord. But let's not kid ourselves. He's a Bush-ite neo-con, probably a RINO.

But notice how the Dems didn't even touch the fact he was a neo-con and favoured the Iraq war? There are things the Uniparty does not dare touch. [Image: wink.gif]

"Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin. Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the sellers from temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth."

- Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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I hope so, but I sincerely doubt it.

These NPC's will continue to believe whatever the MSM programs them to believe.

"Once you've gotten the lay you have won."- Mufasa

"You Miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Anthony Esolen, a learned and wise academic (they still exist, apparently) calls out the crazy witches:

Hysteria and the Need for Male Leadership

The ghastly farce is over. Mr. Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as the latest of our nine cultural archons. They do not determine questions of law, or at least that is not the part of their work that inspires such frenzy and civic hatred as we have seen. No man is ready to grab a pitchfork and a torch because one of our high mystic archons entertains a conservative or a liberal interpretation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. No woman chews her fingernails to the quick because one of our moral prophets tends to side with local law enforcement against the federals, or the other way around. It is precisely because the boundaries defining Mr. Kavanaugh’s future work have long been breached, that any citizen, or what passes for a citizen, should have any strong feelings whatever regarding his person, his judicial record, his digestion, his fidelity to the Catholic religion he professes, his affection for the female sex, or anything else.

It is fitting, in a horrible way, that the confirmation should have been what it was, a chaos of sexual appetite, hatred, accusation, rumor, vengeance, fear, threats, and treachery. That is what you breed when the rule of law gives way to desire. It is a jungle whose predators prowl about on two feet. Oh, the forms of law are still there, just as were the forms of the Roman state when Theodoric had Boethius, the leading Roman citizen, bludgeoned to death. We have a senate, as Boethius did, but neither his nor ours fulfills the function of a senate. Ours is not a gathering of the senes, the old men, grave, tempered by experience in the world, and not apt to be swayed too much by popular passion; flawed men, as all men are, who could rise in mighty opposition against one another, without believing that their opponents were simply evil. Ours is like a football game with referees but no rules—better if you had no referees at all. A brawl in a barroom ends when the men’s arms grow tired. Our civic violence, because there are no rules but there are referees, never ends. “Chaos umpire sits,” says Milton, “And by his judgment more embroils the fray.”

I am not just speaking about what went on in the Senate. Lawlessness was on display everywhere. Let me enumerate its forms.

First, laws of evidence. A free people do not base their decisions upon gossip. That would destroy freedom itself. If gossip reigns, every man alive must know that any of his sins, no matter how ambiguous, how venial, or how long since repented of, may return in monstrous form to ruin his life. Think of the worst thing you have ever done. Imagine that your future depends not upon the sin, but upon sudden and fevered talking about the sin, talk that ramifies and grows more monstrous every day. No prudent man in such a sorry excuse for a polity will dare do anything that might be the object of gossip thirty years later. In that cauldron of treachery, the scum rises to the top: the most timid conformists, or the most feverish dealers in poison. Blow Mount Rushmore to rubble. Not one of the men upon it could have survived it.

Second, the principles that underlie statutes of limitation. These are two. The first is that evidence deteriorates. People forget things. They invent and imagine things. They make artificial sense of things that were not related. This is especially true when no definite crime has been committed. I can perhaps be trusted to remember which closet I found a bag of stolen money in. I cannot be trusted to remember what I felt when somebody suggested going on a drinking binge. In the latter case, I am apt to project onto the temptation a moral view that I have now but did not have then. It is hard enough to remember what we said last week. It is nigh impossible to remember what we said thirty-six years ago, in precise words, with all the shading of tone and doubt and concession. It is perhaps possible, barely possible, to remember what our thoughts were so long ago; but no free people will base any important decision upon it. And when we are talking about “recovered memories,” as in the case against Mr. Kavanaugh, we might as well be consulting a Ouija board, or calling Abigail Williams to testify against Tituba.

The more important principle is that of peace and social continuity. Battles must end. In the jubilee year, slaves are set free, and that is that. When boys in the old days got into a scrap, they would often pick themselves up, more dusty than hurt, and become friends again. What’s done is done. If we are not talking about a serious crime that was committed and not just intended or imagined or, the agent in a drunken stupor, placed within the realm of possibility—an act such as murder, arson, kidnapping, or rape—it is destructive of the common good to hold people responsible for bad things done long ago. Everyone’s home sits on a bomb, waiting to be detonated.

Third, the moral law embodied in the commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” It is flagrantly wicked to accuse a man of serious crime unless you are sure of his guilt. It is not enough that you can imagine the guilt. Nor are you justified if you point to something less than a serious crime and expose him for having committed it or having intended it, if there is no urgency. If a man pockets a hammer from the hardware store and walks out with it, you may guess that he has not paid for it, and so you confront him on the spot. You may not tell other people about it many years later, or many miles away from the store. Both slander, whereby you tell what you know is a lie, and detraction, whereby, without sufficient evidence or in a context far removed from the deed, you reveal something destructive about someone, are wicked. Whistle-blowers should be rewarded, because they reveal crimes that are going on, right now. Tale-bearers should be despised.

Fourth, the moral law embodied in the commandment, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” The senate is not stocked with saints. Ambition, avarice, and power do not make it likely. It is a safe bet in our time that every man and woman in the senate, or covering the events for television and newspapers, has committed some sexual sin that is fouler and more destructive of human flourishing than the worst that Mr. Kavanaugh was accused of. His accuser says he took liberties with his hands. He was fresh, as it used to be called. What he intended to do, no one, thirty-six years later, can know. What sexual sins can be worse than that? Habitual fornication is worse. Adultery is worse. Divorce rips a family in two. It is far worse. Pornography is worse. Perversions are worse. A dead child is worse.

And that is why Kavanaugh had to be destroyed. If you are a drunken teenage boy and you grab a girl when she does not want it, that’s a hanging offense. But if you fornicate, commit adultery, or engage in contraceptive sex, and the predictable and natural result occurs, and you want it out of the way, now that is a sacred right, one that must be protected with all the ferocity of a mother bear guarding her cubs. All the ferocity; none of the right.

Fifth, the principle of equity. The worst thing you can say about a scrupulously just man is that he follows all the rules, even in his own case. So Torquatus, in the Roman legend, had his own son put to death when he disobeyed military orders and engaged in a successful sortie against the enemy. The worst thing you can say about a tenderly sensitive woman is that she follows none of the rules, except in her own case. So the gentle mother spoils her son. We need what Spenser called “that part of Justice which is Equity,” which applies the rules of law flexibly to the individual case, usually but not always to mitigate a punishment. The point is broached by Aristotle, who compares equity (Greek epeikeia) to the leaden straps that masons in Lesbos used to match the shape of stones to the place where they would rest. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle, notes that law is necessarily general, so that when a judge, animated by the principle of equity, “bends” the law’s severity to meet justice in the individual case, he is not violating the law but corroborating it, following the mind of the lawmaker as far as he can fathom it.

We hate rape because it is vicious and violent, an offense against the vulnerability of woman, not to mention subjecting her to the possibility of a life-altering pregnancy. It is inhuman, reducing sexual congress to the appetite of a beast of prey. That is why in many states, until feminists demanded a revision of the law to secure more convictions, rape used to be a capital crime. Groping is to rape as a sucker-punch is to murder, or as shoplifting is to bank robbery. None of it is good. But justice demands distinctions, and equity weighs the age of the boy and the situation. In the old days he would have been given a good whipping. He would not have been shot by a firing squad. He would have tarred his reputation at the time. He would not have borne a red “R” on his chest for the rest of his life.

Sixth, foresight. People who pretend to govern others must ask, always, what will result from the principle of their action. Mobs can never do that. Mobs are led by passion, simply. A Mark Antony plays on their feelings as a snake-charmer making the cobra sway. Madison said that if the Athenian assembly were made up only of men as wise as Socrates, it would still have been a mob: it was too big. Our mob is enormous. Its membership is in the hundreds of millions. Not one man or woman in the major media or in government paused to ask what kind of polity we could have, if we are to govern by public frenzy and hysteria. It did not matter. Killing babies mattered. The walls of the republic, mildewed and buckling, did not.

Seventh and last, the female of the species, which is, as Kipling says, “more deadly than the male.” The male can be fair to other men’s children against his own. That is not in the female nature. That great admirer of women, G. K. Chesterton, said that there are only three things that women do not understand: Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. He meant, by all three together, the lively liberty that a brotherhood of men enjoys when they argue with one another in a club or a beer hall or a college dining room, and no argument is ruled out for its being put forward by a plumber and not a professor, and everyone tacitly agrees that you have a right neither to an opinion nor to any tender feelings regarding your opinion, but rather to an argument. Women in our universities have given notice that they will not abide that masculine punch and counter-punch. Hence the “safe space,” safe for a cancer.

The justification for the beer hall, other than sheer delight, is that it conduces to the common good. Likewise, they who govern do so on behalf of those they govern. If women wish to lead men, they must lead men, for the sake of men, in men’s interests. The governor who governs in his own interest is a despot. The governor who governs in the interests of his coterie is an oligarch. But, with rare exceptions, academic and political women show no interest in the good of boys and men. Men once built and funded women’s colleges. Women now pick male pockets to fund women’s studies programs, where they teach girls how to hate their brothers. They use the building to slander the builders. Not one public woman has said that women must be scrupulously fair to members of the other sex and rather hard upon their own. A father commandeered to be an umpire at his son’s baseball game will call the close plays against his paternal feelings. We are being governed by stage sisters, many of whom have slaughtered their own offspring, gone mad with the delight of put-on terror, resentment, and destruction.

Hysteria is not a new thing in the world. Think of Salem. The new thing here is that Abigail Williams and Mercy Lewis are sitting at the bench. What is to be done? The same as must be done for the colleges that the politics of hysteria has ruined. Men must build their brotherhoods again, from the ground up, and be once again, if unacknowledged, the legislators of our common life.

https://www.newenglishreview.org/custpag..._id=189446
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Will Kavanaugh prove to be a tipping point against feminism and #MeToo?

Esolen is a quality writer. I liked his mention of Torquatus.
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