[AnonymousBosch]

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to Jon Stewart's anchor chair on what's believed by many to be the most trusted half-hour of news and information in America.

It's telling that The Privileged College Degree Set can't tell the difference between a lightweight, politically-focused comedy programme and Actual Political Journalism.

It always struck me as a show for when you don't really want to understand the issues, but want to feel illusory superiority through sneering and snarking at everyone and everything involved.

I'm really confused over this outrage. By SJW Logic, isn't Trevor Noah just 'punching up'?

[Apollo21]

Nothing against TN, however this is what happens when you wake up one morning and decide that
you suddenly want to step down. Clearly Comedy Central didn't plan on Jon Stewart stepping down...otherwise
they would have planning started much sooner.

Look at Stephen Colbert replacing Letterman...that was very well planned...this feels more like throwing a dart
at the board and seeing where it lands.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Colbert replacing Letterman also caused Stewart to also think about retirement.

[Libertas]

I was actually expecting Bassem Youssef to get the nod since he actually has similar experience.

From what I've heard this guy fell flat in his appearances so far and seems like a diversity hire (which makes it all the more hilarious because Youssef could count as one too). Those politically incorrect jokes raised my opinion of him though. Hopefully he can keep that up (I doubt it) and doesn't apologize.

[Socrates]

Everyone on Twitter is having a triggerfest after Patton Oswalt posted a 53 tweet long rant about the Trevor Noah outrage. It is pretty funny watching the butthurt flow. No offense to anyone experiencing actual pain in their anus. He really nailed how absurd it is to get offended about every little thing. However, people who get offended about every little thing for a living seem to not care for his message. Weird.

[TornadoByProxy]

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
Voltaire

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(03-31-2015 09:41 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

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to Jon Stewart's anchor chair on what's believed by many to be the most trusted half-hour of news and information in America.

It's telling that The Privileged College Degree Set can't tell the difference between a lightweight, politically-focused comedy programme and Actual Political Journalism.

It always struck me as a show for when you don't really want to understand the issues, but want to feel illusory superiority through sneering and snarking at everyone and everything involved.

I'm really confused over this outrage. By SJW Logic, isn't Trevor Noah just 'punching up'?

[Grange]

Guys: https://twitter.com/thelindywest/status/...4686135296

Lindy West Wrote:

i've said hurtful things & so has jon stewart & i will give trevor noah a chance & criticizing him is good & i am weary of being a punchline

It's big of her to give Trevor Noah a chance.

[Canopus]

Jim Norton has a piece in Time today, responding to the "controversy", with some familiar-sounding bits in there:

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Jim Norton: Trevor Noah Isn’t the Problem. You Are.

People say that Americans trends are transient, but the one activity we never seem to tire of is being outraged. Boy, do we love it! We simply can’t seem to get enough of that rush we feel when something offends us. It’s like the dopamine drip we get from that first drink or the first drag of a cigarette after getting off a cross-country flight. And what is our favorite thing to be outraged over? Well, it’s certainly nothing petty, like homelessness, or the fact that every single person we elect to public office is a manipulative, groveling, poll-obsessed liar. Nope. We’re not stupid enough to waste our energy on such nonsense. We save our collective outrage for the really important stuff, like things comedians say.

Which brings us, of course, to Trevor Noah, our guest star on this week’s edition of Manufactured Outrage. When Comedy Central named Trevor as Jon Stewart’s successor, our trusty, tireless brigade of social-justice warriors immediately went to work digging through his tweets and stand-up to find something, anything to be upset about. Much to their relief, Trevor didn’t disappoint. Being a working comedian, he’d made plenty of jokes over the years that a susceptible person could pick up, blow the dust off and aim at themselves to achieve martyrdom.

Trevor, while tweeting things with the intention of being funny, had gone … yes, you guessed it – over the line! (Click here for dramatic organ music.) In his rush to be funny, he had broken what has become the new golden rule in American public life, which is to never say anything (or, God forbid, joke about anything) that may be deemed even remotely offensive or upsetting by any segment of the population for any reason. Trevor forgot that in the new millennium, there is a seemingly endless checklist of subject matter that has been deemed inappropriate to address with humor. And by no means is that checklist final; it’s constantly changing and morphing and contradicting itself without warning.

He also neglected to take into account that Western culture as a whole has become an increasingly reactionary mob of self-centered narcissists who all have their own personal lines drawn in the sand. A comedian is fine unless he crosses their particular line, which, of course, in the mind of a self-centered narcissist, is the only line that matters.

Being outraged and upset and feeling bullied or offended are not only things we enjoy, they’re also things we have become thoroughly addicted to. When we can’t purposefully get our feelings hurt by a comedian, we usually find another, albeit less satisfying, source of indignation. A few of the old stand-byes are sports announcers, radio hosts, Twittering athletes and paparazzi-hating actors. These are always great sources to look to when we need to purposefully upset ourselves. And make no mistake about it: Upsetting ourselves on purpose is exactly what we are doing. At least that’s what I hope we are doing. Because the other alternative is that Americans have collectively become the most hypersensitive group of whining milksops ever assembled under one flag. I find this second choice to be particularly humiliating, so I opt for the first. I choose to believe that we are addicted to the rush of being offended, the idea of it, rather than believing we have become a nation of emasculated children whose only defense against an abyss of emotional agony is a trigger warning.

The image people have of comedians staring defiantly over a stationary line of good taste is simply inaccurate. We don’t approach this line, put our toes over it arrogantly and then scamper back to safety. The line doesn’t exist. The correct image for people to have is one of a circle, with a comedian standing in the middle of it, surrounded by a myriad of races, religions, social beliefs, sacred cows and political ideologies. And in these groups are endless numbers of sub groups and personal boundaries. There is simply no way to consistently do the type of comedy that addresses these things without upsetting somebody. No matter which direction you turn to aim the joke, someone is getting hit. And while the person who has been hit jumps up and down and exaggerates their injuries, everyone else in the circle is telling them to shut up and learn to take a joke. Until they themselves get hit.

Trevor Noah is a great, relevant young comic, and Comedy Central is smart to stand by him. I read the tweets he was “under fire” for, and some were funny, some weren’t. The thread that connected them all for me is the embarrassment I feel for anyone claiming to be offended by them. They weren’t vicious or written to be harmful. And everyone reading them knows that. But knowing his tweets weren’t intended to be harmful isn’t important when people who list ‘victim’ as their occupation smell blood in the water. Because their outrage is a lie and their motives are transparent. They are simply using his tweets to get their dopamine drip.

[TheWastelander]

Call me an asshole if you'd like, but I have no sympathy for left-wing comedians who get attacked by their crazed allies.

[Slim Shady]

While Trevor Noah has got some hate on this thread for not being funny, or exploiting his minority status or w/e, I will say this:

All of my favorite edgy comedians are not conservatives. They are liberals, but more in the old sense of the word. They are really all libertarians, weather they know it or not. Hannibal Buress and Aziz Ansari are not, but they are more a stain on the comedic profession than anything else. Carlin is a "liberal". So are Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle, etc. My favorite international comics like Frankie Boyle,Jim Carr, and Jim Jefferies are also liberals. If you look to slay multiple pussy, smoke weed, and want the legalization of drugs so that the responsibility for the consequences is on you and not the Government, you are a "liberal". The ideal way to be in the comedic profession is to be a "South Park Conservative". You must scathingly critique everyone, or you lose out on material.

I have known about Trevor Noah since before he made the surprise jump to Daily Show correspondent. I watched him when he started getting appearances on the very funny BBC panel shows like "QI", and "8 out of 10 Cats". He's not the best comic, but he is not bad [atleast when doing the British style of witty comedy], and with some more work could become quite good.

In the end, a lot of modern comics have sold out to the left wing cause. They have shifted from libertarian to liberal. From seeking freedom for all to freedom only for the "new privileged". The Daily Show'Jon Stewart/Colbert have truly sold out in the last few years, so in the end fuck all of them. Anyone watch Colbert's interview with Anita Sarkeesian?

For the people who occasionally like watching the Daily Show, Noah will still be occasionally funny and on point. That's what you got with Stewart in the end - occasional laughs mixed in with obvious propaganda. The rest was cringe-worthy, especially any segment that included Samantha Bee twisting the words of people like Peter Schiff and Warren Farrell, or that black chick feigning outrage. The Daily Show even employed the talentless overrated hack that is Olivia Munn, remember that?

I'd recommend that you watch "Last Week Tonight" with John Oliver instead. It far surpasses anything the Daily Show has done in a while. They should have planned and given the show over to John Oliver.

Speaking of Oliver's show, he is a progressive too but a lot more of his segments are on point. Like most mainstream comedians he gets off point when spouting "women's issues" talking points. He often deals with the good liberal [libertarian] points like the wealth gap for the super rich, drones, political corruption, etc. I sincerely believe that often these people just don't know what the truth is. They aren't bad people, but are fed just too many lies.

[TheSlayer]

(04-01-2015 03:24 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Speaking of Oliver's show, he is a progressive too but a lot more of his segments are on point. Like most mainstream comedians he get's off point when spouting "women's issues" talking points. He often deals with the good liberal [libertarian] points like the wealth gap for the super rich, drones, political corruption, etc. I sincerely believe that often these people just don't know what the truth is. They aren't bad people, but are fed just too many lies.

My exact problem with Bill Maher. He loses me whenever he regurgitates feminist talking points and he does that often but he's usually on-point with his criticism of political corruption, criticisms of all religions equally and on a lot of SJW issues he will say un-PC things. Most probably don't know or wouldn't expect it but he was not happy when Mozilla fired their CEO over the donation he made to the "anti-gay" law campaign or whatever it was. Just last week he went ham on SJWs and it was refreshing to watch.

[Game_Started]

(04-01-2015 02:34 PM)Grange Wrote:  

Guys: https://twitter.com/thelindywest/status/...4686135296

Lindy West Wrote:

i've said hurtful things & so has jon stewart & i will give trevor noah a chance & criticizing him is good & i am weary of being a punchline

It's big of her to give Trevor Noah a chance.

Doesn't take Lindy much to be big.

[Game_Started]

(04-01-2015 02:45 PM)Canopus Wrote:  

Jim Norton has a piece in Time today, responding to the "controversy"

That was...

[8ball]

[quote] (04-01-2015 03:31 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  

[quote='Slim Shady' pid='991779' dateline='1427919868']
......
My exact problem with Bill Maher. He loses me whenever he regurgitates feminist talking points and he does that often but he's usually on-point with his criticism of political corruption, criticisms of all religions equally and on a lot of SJW issues he will say un-PC things. Most probably don't know or wouldn't expect it but he was not happy when Mozilla fired their CEO over the donation he made to the "anti-gay" law campaign or whatever it was. Just last week he went ham on SJWs and it was refreshing to watch.[/quote]

Bill Maher has also been critical on Islam, AIPAC, political correctness, fat-obesity, twitter mobs etc...I would say on average there is at least 20-25 minutes that are worth watching from his 1 hour show. He has the balls to hit on controversial points way before its acceptable to do so.

[Sonsowey]

Mr. Noah could certainly come out as a Trans Woman in order to atone for his sins.

[Sonoma]

I'm surprised Times ran that article in response

[JoyStick]

(03-31-2015 05:28 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

This dude is not funny at all -- he has no comedic bite or edge. He has the deadliest quality to a comedian, which is vagueness. None of his impressions jump or hit, and the most that can be said is that he's a got a minimal and very flat polish. I'm no fan of Jon Stewart but at least his nasty mug was a very definite thing and he had a particular presence. This kid doesn't have it.

I haven't seen him hosting the show but his stand ups are pretty funny.

Are you, by chance, Jewish?

[vinman]

RELEVANT
Gavin McInnis breaks down a conversation with a SJW blogger.

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Whenever I see liberals salivating over some black guy I’ve never heard of, my first instinct is always suspicion. Call it “Obama Trauma.” When they described Neil deGrasse Tyson like he was the second coming of Christ, I suspected he might be merely mortal. Turns out, I was right. So, when some obscure South African comedian became heir to the Daily Show throne, I was convinced it was not because he had comedy chops but because he symbolized some kind of Kumbaya version of the world. The woman who hired him basically said as much. She told The Hollywood Reporter, “having someone with a global perspective is important for us.” If you check out his stand up, you will likely end up at this video where he talks about walking down the street as a kid in South Africa and having to avoid his white dad because interracial marriage was illegal. This makes him look like some kind of global Freedom Rider but it’s a lie.

However, when the left started attacking him for politically incorrect jokes, I had to abandon my disagreements with Noah and get all Voltaire on they asses. He may be annoying and his position is clearly an example of affirmative action in comedy but when you declare war on jokes, you declare war on freedom and that battle trumps all others. Noah angered the left with quips such as, “Messi doesn’t go down easy, just like Jewish chicks,” “South Africans know how to recycle like israel [sic] knows how to be peaceful” and “‘Oh yeah the weekend. People are gonna get drunk & think that I’m sexy!’ – fat chicks everywhere.” Big fucking deal. Why do the Thought Police want someone fired for that? Well, they’d argue, bigotry such as Noah’s could lead to discrimination in the future and that may one day lead to black people not being hired for jobs at, say, Comedy Central. “The Hypotheticals” as I’ve begun calling them, want to fire a black man today to safeguard black jobs in the future. This is a bizarre mindset that is all utopia and no logic. Like all far left politics, it hurts real people today in the name of helping hypothetical people in the future.

We soon learned Noah will be fine because he’s protected by a force field of liberal institutions. This makes him immune to all criticism including that of other liberal institutions. There are limits to this force field however. Comedy Central will stand by an anti-Semite if he’s black but the New York Times isn’t going to go near a South Asian who fraternizes with the enemy.

Within a few days I was at a lunch spot in Brooklyn with someone who personifies everything that’s wrong with the world. I obviously don’t trust a guy whose job appears to be wrecking other people’s lives so I secretly recorded the conversation and also had some spies sit at nearby tables to covertly document the meeting. We skipped the small chat and got right to what makes this little prick tick. It was immediately obvious he was gay so I asked him if he was bullied as a kid and felt the need to go on a revenge bender. He said he grew up in liberal Milwaukee and had supportive parents so that was out. I asked him why he had Khan fired and he denied such a thing had happened. At least Gawker blogger Sam Biddle had the balls to admit he destroyed the life of that chick who made the AIDS joke about Africa. Trotter’s exposé came out 24 hours before Razib was let go. Trotter’s own post says, “The New York Times has quietly cut ties with Razib Khan… following our post highlighting Khan’s association with right-wing racist publications.” Trotter had a nauseating smile almost the entire conversation that would seem sinister if he wasn’t so doughy. The most I could get him to concede was that his post “may” have lead to Khan’s termination. He asked me why I wasn’t angrier at the Times. “I didn’t want him to get fired” Trotter told me like the whole thing was a big surprise. Then he said something that gave me the creeps. He said, “All I did was publish some interesting information about [Razib].” It sounded so willfully dishonest and devoid of responsibility it bordered on sociopathic. If these bloggers think they’re destroying evil careers in the name of human rights, I get it but if this bull in a china shop keeps saying, “Whoops! Did I do that?” after every broken plate, I don’t know what the hell is going on in the world. He seemed concerned that I was horrified by the way he said, “interesting.” Despite being a professional life vandal, he looked genuinely upset when anything negative was directed his way. When I told him Gawker bloggers never go anywhere and a career in snark is a dead end, he looked genuinely hurt. I suspect this applies to the vast majority of bloggers who dish it out at these sites. If their own lives were subjected to half the scrutiny they devote to their careers, they would be crushed. This is exactly why I want more of them exposed. When we discovered the narrative of the rape victim carrying a mattress around campus was far from reality, we should have included the reporter Vanessa Grigoriadis in the public shaming. These are the enablers who ruin the lives of people such as Paul Nungesser just as much as the mattress carrier. A hoax is nothing without a platform.

It took some work, but he admitted he was at least a very large part of Khan’s termination. Trotter was very ambiguous about everything but I pushed harder and eventually narrowed his motive for the smear down to the fact that Razib had not publicly distanced himself from Taki Theodoracopulos’ views nor that of other people who write at Taki’s Magazine and VDARE. This was a strange beef because he admitted he doesn’t agree with everything his boss Nick Denton believes. In fact, he chortled at the idea anyone would think he should.

More prodding eventually got us to the magical R-word. Razib Khan is open to the studies of race and IQ, ergo he’s a dangerous racist – is the crux of the argument. I asked why it’s wrong to study IQ and he said such “scientific racism” could lead to policies that discriminate against blacks. The irony that he had cost a real job by worrying about a hypothetical job was lost on the guy. I asked him to define racism and as is almost always the case with these people, he couldn’t do it. All he could tell me was that it’s “systemic.” It became clear that he hadn’t really given any of this much thought beyond that magic word. Basically, he starts with a loose premise about justice and then just bulldozes his way through other people’s personal lives.

When he’s not getting “racists” fired, Trotter appears to have devoted a huge portion of his journalistic career to outing gays. He has been all over Shepard Smith for a while now and excitedly barked out, “He has a boyfriend!” to me when the subject came up. As far as I know, Shep has been out for a while. However, even if he wasn’t out, “Why bother outing him?” I asked. “Fox News is in New York City” he said using his hands to demonstrate a city on the table, “None of their reporters are openly gay. That’s like not having any black reporters.” I asked, “So?” and he gave me that spiel about how every industry has to very publicly represent the demographic mosaic. When I asked him why there aren’t more white men in basketball or women in garbage collection, he had no answer. I assume he’s equally disgusted with the lack of diversity among the Daily Show’s writing staff.

After two hours of discussing ethics with someone who was clearly not interested in ethics, I dismissed my spies and watched the color drain from Trotter’s face. Once again, it hadn’t occurred to him that there are repercussions for his destructive behavior and he had created a culture of distrust. In the end, his argument seemed to be, Why are you mad at me? I’m just reporting “interesting” facts. You should be mad at the institutions that take us seriously. It was the only salient point he had made during our entire two-hour conversation. I spoke to Razib after the meeting and he had a similar point. He said this is one minor setback and at the end of the day, he will be looking back at a massive legacy of hard work while Trotter will have been long forgotten. He was already over it because he didn’t pay it much attention in the first place. If only the rest of our culture was as sophisticated. Of course “life saboteur” is a vile career to pick. There will always be petulant children shrieking about monsters. The fact that we take them so seriously is the real problem. I have to tip my hat to Comedy Central for recognizing the 1st Amendment when a cool black guy says something uncool. Let’s hope the mainstream can one day extend that courtesy to the rest of us.

http://takimag.com/article/the_accidenta...z3WH7yHloB

[MdWanderer]

(03-31-2015 11:09 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

Look at Stephen Colbert replacing Letterman...that was very well planned...

Saying this is an upgrade is a gross understatement. I've laughed more at funerals than I have at the Late Show with Letterman hosting it.

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As a person-of-color, African-American, veteran minority journalist and longtime enthusiast of all things "Daily Show," I am of course as happy, proud and thrilled as the wife of a successful Apollo astronaut over the impending ascension of Trevor Noah, the biracial comedian from South Africa, to Jon Stewart's anchor chair on what's believed by many to be the most trusted half-hour of news and information in America.

As a person who believes in fair play and equal opportunity for all, I am also moved to wonder when a woman will get the chance to preside over a talk show after sunset?

Doesn't Chelsea Handler have a late night show?

[AnonymousBosch]

(04-03-2015 04:59 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

Doesn't Chelsea Handler have a late night show?

Ideological reality always trumps actual reality.

[gework]

Trevor when he doesn't have $50,000 / day worth of writing fire-power going up his ass:

And what were Battlefield thinking?

Electronic Arts sock dropped about 20% after this.