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Quote: (10-01-2018 08:19 AM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:
Quote: (10-01-2018 03:40 AM)masta Wrote:
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Appreciation is a direct result of having value. And the act of appreciation is offering women that value. You can turn an ice queen into a giddy little girl if you can show appreciation for her genuine self. In fact if my brain was erased and I could only remember once thing in game, I would choose appreciation. It can can an interaction 180 degrees as soon as she realizes you like the real life. You give her self esteem with your genuine appreciation.
You cannot value anyone unless you value yourself first. So by showing appreciation, you are indirectly saying "Hey I am a high value guy".
Low value people supplicate and try to impress, while high value people appreciate and express themselves.
Do you have some examples on how this work in a real life situation?
How do you show appreciation for the genuine self of an "ice queen" like you described it? What if you encounter massive bitch shields and attitudes?
One thing that works for me is cold reading. I don't like to do routines but I am into astrology and it so happens most women are too so it is a good ice breaker and conversational ramble material. There are only certain signs I know, and those signs are the ones that are compatible with my sign. The rest I just bullshit or generalize. But I make sure the generalization is an example of her best self.
Like this past weekend I opened a 3 set and my target was pretty cold looking. I asked her for her age and told her about her sign. I said she had the confidence to achieve whatever she wanted and I really like that in a woman. Her expression did a 180 and I got a window but I was dumb and started escalating on her friend instead because her friend kept trying to get my attention.
My version of cold reading is just trying to inspire, uplift, and motivate people to reach their full potential. It's not really a cold read. More like encouragement. And people have a tendency to want to meet your expectations.
I set myself as the validator. A high value guy who frames himself as the source of validation showing appreciation for you, or the potential you have will make anyone warm and fuzzy on the inside.
It's the opposite of a low value guy supplicating. It looks almost the same but the difference is the frame the guy is coming from.
Another thing you can do is ask women questions as if you are the one vetting them. You are the screener and not them. This is called qualifying women. This is something high value guys naturally do. They usually qualify people before handing out approval. This is something that may feel uncomfortable and unnatural if you don't feel high value and youre trying to qualify and hb 10 or a group of hb10s. But that's why they call it game right? Fake it till you make it.
If a woman is making an effort, giving me compliance, or showing me her fun personality, I would reward her with "you are sexy and I really like your vibe. You seem really down to earth. I think that's why we met." I am not using it as a line, I am basing my compliment on her actual qualities. This allows me to come across as genuine.
Showing genuine interest and appreciation for a woman's real self is like the hardest thing. I find myself getting caught up in my own ego. But it shouldn't be about me. I am supposed to be already complete, self validated, all that stuff. My task is weeding out all the trash and seeing if there are any cool women out there.
It takes practice to take the focus outside of your overreactive ego. But high value people with high self esteem naturally do this. They are not in trying to impress mode. They are usually in seeing if anyone is impressive mode.
So you have two options. Either set expectations by cold reading and have her live up to it (most of the time they can) or you can show approval for them based on qualities she has and use that as a reason you like her. This makes you look genuine because it is based on her qualities and not generic qualities of women in general. But the key is she actually has to show these qualities.
A third option is to force women to open up and show you some value. You can do this by screening them with interview questions. This will sometimes cause a frame battle with 8s and up. They will sometimes give you one word answers. The key is to stand your ground and show her you are for real. If she doesn't open up, then there is no connection. You are feeling her style, but not completely sold. This is the correct attitude and frame of a high value guy. Alot of times women will battle you because she does not believe you are what you are trying to present yourself as. So you can't lose frame.
You cannot show appreciation for nothing. As I said in my first post, the key is to come across as a source of validation where you are the one screening and qualifying people.
Personally for me, I have a hard time qualifying hot women. I'm not perfect. My confidence comes and goes. I do my best when I set expectations for people and inspire them to be their best self, and then I show appreciation. I don't feel like getting into frame battles so I choose to see the best in people and then take back my validation if they fail to live up to my standards for them. I'm still doing the same thing (framing myself as the source of validation) but I am doing it in a less intrusive and more friendly way. The opposite would be hard qualifying women. I can do this on a group of hot women when my frame is 10/10 but that isn't always the case.
The good thing is that most of the time, women will show their qualities to you. It's just that most guys are so caught up in their own egos trying to impress women that they miss it.
So you have two people trying to qualify themselves to the other. Two people needy for validation. This is not a recipe for attraction. Because women are hypergamous, men have to be the source of validation.
Most of the time you don't have to screen hard and qualify women right off the bat. Even the biggest ice queens will show cracks if you come across as a confident and fun guy. And if you time your validation and approval perfectly (when she opened up) you can blow the interaction wide open. This is the essence of only escalating on Windows.
The key to the entire seduction game is to position yourself to show appreciation for her real self. 90% of the time you get her generic self. So it's like a battle of are you going supplicate to her generic self?
Even though the blueprint is easy to understand, I am not saying it will always work out. You can even have an entire night of running into masculine man hating women who refuse to fall into your frame.
They will show you nothing to appreciate and it would be like the alpha male vs queen bee type dynamic. We all know about feminism.
But trust me, some of the best players I have ever met are masters at positioning themselves to where they can show appreciation.
One time I was at a beach bar with such a guy. We both ordered drinks and while I was just bantering with the bartender he was like "wow this is the best margarita ever". The bartender I was talking to immediately melted because she made it. The bartender that made my drink felt left out in the cold. So I started exaggerating how good my drink was but it didn't work. It wasn't genuine.
He kept beating me to the punch all day. He was an expert in being a source of validation. And often times women would come to him for some of that value he had. All he did was show appreciation and had women competing for his attention.
Finally at one point two women stood next to me and I pulled out a chair and said "for two beautiful women". I immediately hooked better than anything I ever did.
The thing about appreciation is that it is a state and a vibe, not a technique. Once I was able to activate that state and come across as genuinely appreciative for the feminine essence, I was suddenly surrounded by like 6 cougars. Cougars are less likely to resist appreciation from charming young men. It's kind of like chick crack. It's why females are obsessed with boy bands serenading them.
You have to make it believable that you really like her for her. This is why dumb shit like forgetting an arbitrary detail about her can blow you out. In a sense, everybody wants unconditional love.
My final thought on this is that there are exceptions. Some women do not love themselves and will think there is something wrong with you if you show appreciation for them. They will rationalize that you must be desperate or low value. This is especially true the deeper you get into night game where it is meat market hour and you're surrounded by sluts.
In meat market hour, I shorten my appreciation to a woman's looks and nothing else. "I think you are very sexy" is the line I use. There is nothing unique about slutty women in meat market hours so I would just come across as a needy loser if I did anything more than validating women just for their looks. Women know they are giving you the bare minimum in these places. Their emotions are usually shut off and there is no love or loyalty. They could make out with you one minute and go home with another guy the next minute. This is why experts tell you to not take meat market game seriously. Don't attach your self worth to it. There was a time in my life where I amassed hundreds of rejections at night while 8s were hitting on me in broad daylight but I was so obsessed with night game that I was convinced my value was a 4. That was until I got rejected by a girl in my social circle at a club only to have her supplicate to me the next week.
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