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Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)
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Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Background. Im a successful PUA that’s been with somewhere between 150-200 women.
My ex girlfriend is a ex model(like real model no fake IG model)/volleyball player. She is completely stunning. So much so, she constantly receives validation from women complimenting her looks and men approaching and DMing her. She’s always without a doubt the most attractive woman in the room where ever she is.

Anyway, I met her the same time I met my wife who is a successful management consultant(500k salary). Essentially, I had two girlfriends for about 2 years. I dogged the fuck out of my ex girlfriend. Gave her minimal time a week, told her if she ever got pregnant we could get an abortion in a very ‘matter of fact’ way, criticized how she dressed…etc. I dogged her, but I wasn’t malicious. Generally, I was very sweet and nice. I’m just a little particular how women dress.

Ever since I’ve been married I think about her regularly. Nothing obsessive but I do think about her. Essentially, she was the most feminine, nice and kind woman I’ve ever met despite being completely stunning. The problem was she was immature and at the time didn’t have a real career. I went with the safer more practical option. My wife and I haven’t been getting along for the majority of our marriage. Nothing violent or dramatic, but quite frankly she’s not feminine enough for me.

My ex came back in town and inquired about me to a mutual friend. When I got word I started texting her. Here’s where you guys come in and can tell me if im being paranoid or what? She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her. She’s seen me twice since this has occurred and we passionately made out but haven’t been intimate. She responds to all my texts in a timely fashion. However, she doesn’t initiate texts or calls often. She is dating (not serious) a guy right now. No surprise, she fire so of course she’s almost always dating some guy.

My question is what the fuck is going on here? She has no history of being vindictive or creating drama. She didn’t even snitch on me to my fiancée when she found out. What’s the play here?
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#2

Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Wow -- switch the genders and it sounds like an impending divorce-rape.

Add some line breaks and you might get more feedback...

Sounds like you "overgamed" the ex (what else would a self-proclaimed PUA do?), but in retrospect maybe it was just the right amount since you now think you could be the alpha-widow and she's pondering reclaiming you. Either way, your guilt / uncertainty points to some questions you may want to ask yourself.

At the same time, you hitched your wagon to a broad with high income with low femininity, seemingly going against your gut for the chance at an easier life?

So do you feel like complicating things, when it seems your MO is finding the easy way?

Put yourself in her shoes: what kind of girl suddenly comes back to an ex, acting like everything's gravy? One who just had a large success? One with her shit together, emotionally or otherwise?

Are you really the alpha widow? Did she hear about your high income lifestyle (thanks to your wifey) and maybe wrongly assume you are the breadwinner / wealthy?

How old are you? Why did you choose to get married? Not much to go off of here, but kind of curious. Any concern about blowing up the marriage? Kids?

What do you bring to the table in your marriage / other relationships?

The fact that you're suspicious is saying something...
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Quote: (09-04-2018 11:05 AM)456 Wrote:  

Wow -- switch the genders and it sounds like an impending divorce-rape.

Add some line breaks and you might get more feedback...

Sounds like you "overgamed" the ex (what else would a self-proclaimed PUA do?), but in retrospect maybe it was just the right amount since you now think you could be the alpha-widow and she's pondering reclaiming you. Either way, your guilt / uncertainty points to some questions you may want to ask yourself.

At the same time, you hitched your wagon to a broad with high income with low femininity, seemingly going against your gut for the chance at an easier life?

So do you feel like complicating things, when it seems your MO is finding the easy way? Not really but im not as happy as i'd like to be and haven't been for a while

Put yourself in her shoes: what kind of girl suddenly comes back to an ex, acting like everything's gravy? One who just had a large success? One with her shit together, emotionally or otherwise? I get your point but I also consider myself a high value male Im pretty sure everyone i've been with in my modern history would come back

Are you really the alpha widow? Did she hear about your high income lifestyle (thanks to your wifey) and maybe wrongly assume you are the breadwinner / wealthy? She knows my wife makes a bunch of money but she knows im not doing to shabby myself and she's been with men who have done way better than me financially and way worse. She likes money, we all do, not sure if it's her primary motivator


How old are you? Why did you choose to get married? Not much to go off of here, but kind of curious. Any concern about blowing up the marriage? Kids? 40. Figured I fucked enough chicks time to settle down a start a family. Not really concerned about blowing up the marriage. My wife knows she been fucking up and if she doesn't she'll figure it out. 1 kid but i want another and this chick has insane genes so i'd be very comfortable procreating with her.

What do you bring to the table in your marriage / other relationships? I make good money, im handsome, in shape and generally an interesting man

The fact that you're suspicious is saying something... Exactly, but this girl has never ever wronged me
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Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Quote: (09-04-2018 11:24 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 11:05 AM)456 Wrote:  

Wow -- switch the genders and it sounds like an impending divorce-rape.

Add some line breaks and you might get more feedback...

Sounds like you "overgamed" the ex (what else would a self-proclaimed PUA do?), but in retrospect maybe it was just the right amount since you now think you could be the alpha-widow and she's pondering reclaiming you. Either way, your guilt / uncertainty points to some questions you may want to ask yourself.

At the same time, you hitched your wagon to a broad with high income with low femininity, seemingly going against your gut for the chance at an easier life?

So do you feel like complicating things, when it seems your MO is finding the easy way? Not really but im not as happy as i'd like to be and haven't been for a while

Put yourself in her shoes: what kind of girl suddenly comes back to an ex, acting like everything's gravy? One who just had a large success? One with her shit together, emotionally or otherwise? I get your point but I also consider myself a high value male Im pretty sure everyone i've been with in my modern history would come back

Are you really the alpha widow? Did she hear about your high income lifestyle (thanks to your wifey) and maybe wrongly assume you are the breadwinner / wealthy? She knows my wife makes a bunch of money but she knows im not doing to shabby myself and she's been with men who have done way better than me financially and way worse. She likes money, we all do, not sure if it's her primary motivator


How old are you? Why did you choose to get married? Not much to go off of here, but kind of curious. Any concern about blowing up the marriage? Kids? 40. Figured I fucked enough chicks time to settle down a start a family. Not really concerned about blowing up the marriage. My wife knows she been fucking up and if she doesn't she'll figure it out. 1 kid but i want another and this chick has insane genes so i'd be very comfortable procreating with her.

What do you bring to the table in your marriage / other relationships? I make good money, im handsome, in shape and generally an interesting man

The fact that you're suspicious is saying something... Exactly, but this girl has never ever wronged me

This reads all wrong.

You keep dropping brags about how great you are as a catch for women and a PUA in general whilst at the same time the credentials you speak of are put in such weak terms (those of all concerned, but yours especially).

At the same time there is very little grasp of what you really want beyond scoring a relationship again with a High Status chick, (Hint; even if you successfully seduce her again its not going to work out with your ex.) and you seem by your own admission out of your depth.

You sound like a frat boy bored on his holidays..

And yet you're playing with the family situation (and therefore future development) of a young kid?
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Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:04 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 11:24 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 11:05 AM)456 Wrote:  

Wow -- switch the genders and it sounds like an impending divorce-rape.

Add some line breaks and you might get more feedback...

Sounds like you "overgamed" the ex (what else would a self-proclaimed PUA do?), but in retrospect maybe it was just the right amount since you now think you could be the alpha-widow and she's pondering reclaiming you. Either way, your guilt / uncertainty points to some questions you may want to ask yourself.

At the same time, you hitched your wagon to a broad with high income with low femininity, seemingly going against your gut for the chance at an easier life?

So do you feel like complicating things, when it seems your MO is finding the easy way? Not really but im not as happy as i'd like to be and haven't been for a while

Put yourself in her shoes: what kind of girl suddenly comes back to an ex, acting like everything's gravy? One who just had a large success? One with her shit together, emotionally or otherwise? I get your point but I also consider myself a high value male Im pretty sure everyone i've been with in my modern history would come back

Are you really the alpha widow? Did she hear about your high income lifestyle (thanks to your wifey) and maybe wrongly assume you are the breadwinner / wealthy? She knows my wife makes a bunch of money but she knows im not doing to shabby myself and she's been with men who have done way better than me financially and way worse. She likes money, we all do, not sure if it's her primary motivator


How old are you? Why did you choose to get married? Not much to go off of here, but kind of curious. Any concern about blowing up the marriage? Kids? 40. Figured I fucked enough chicks time to settle down a start a family. Not really concerned about blowing up the marriage. My wife knows she been fucking up and if she doesn't she'll figure it out. 1 kid but i want another and this chick has insane genes so i'd be very comfortable procreating with her.

What do you bring to the table in your marriage / other relationships? I make good money, im handsome, in shape and generally an interesting man

The fact that you're suspicious is saying something... Exactly, but this girl has never ever wronged me

This reads all wrong.

You keep dropping brags about how great you are as a catch for women and a PUA in general whilst at the same time the credentials you speak of are put in such weak terms (those of all concerned, but yours especially).

At the same time there is very little grasp of what you really want beyond scoring a relationship again with a High Status chick, (Hint; even if you successfully seduce her again its not going to work out with your ex.) and you seem by your own admission out of your depth.

You sound like a frat boy bored on his holidays..

And yet you're playing with the family situation (and therefore future development) of a young kid?

I respect your opinion but i had to brag cause the OP above you essentially asked me why was I a catch.

Why wouldn't it work if I broke it up originally and i still exhibit alpha male behavior?
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You don't think this ex of yours, talking and making out with you behind a guys back she's dating and also being a homewrecker at the same time will do that to you also if you try and lock her down?

Women WANT what they CAN'T have.

She gets satisfaction she's pulling you into her web and taking you away from your wife.

At any time this chick can flip the switch and tell your wife if you piss her off - basically emotionally black mailing you.


This story has alot of hoes in it, you talk this big talk about being a PUA and banging countless women, yet have no regard to frame, operational security, nor choosing a good wife for marriage.
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#7

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Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Background. Im a successful PUA that’s been with somewhere between 150-200 women.
My ex girlfriend is a ex model(like real model no fake IG model)/volleyball player. She is completely stunning. So much so, she constantly receives validation from women complimenting her looks and men approaching and DMing her. She’s always without a doubt the most attractive woman in the room where ever she is.

Anyway, I met her the same time I met my wife who is a successful management consultant(500k salary). Essentially, I had two girlfriends for about 2 years. I dogged the fuck out of my ex girlfriend. Gave her minimal time a week, told her if she ever got pregnant we could get an abortion in a very ‘matter of fact’ way, criticized how she dressed…etc. I dogged her, but I wasn’t malicious. Generally, I was very sweet and nice. I’m just a little particular how women dress.

Ever since I’ve been married I think about her regularly. Nothing obsessive but I do think about her. Essentially, she was the most feminine, nice and kind woman I’ve ever met despite being completely stunning. The problem was she was immature and at the time didn’t have a real career. I went with the safer more practical option. My wife and I haven’t been getting along for the majority of our marriage. Nothing violent or dramatic, but quite frankly she’s not feminine enough for me.

My ex came back in town and inquired about me to a mutual friend. When I got word I started texting her. Here’s where you guys come in and can tell me if im being paranoid or what? She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her. She’s seen me twice since this has occurred and we passionately made out but haven’t been intimate. She responds to all my texts in a timely fashion. However, she doesn’t initiate texts or calls often. She is dating (not serious) a guy right now. No surprise, she fire so of course she’s almost always dating some guy.

My question is what the fuck is going on here? She has no history of being vindictive or creating drama. She didn’t even snitch on me to my fiancée when she found out. What’s the play here?

I'm unsure if your story is true or not

Women who are a physically a 10, successful, and have a broad social circle, they move on, quickly.

Women and men who make 500k/year are busy, she's not going to be thinking about you.

Guys who have banged 150-200 women are exceptionally handsome and don't keep a girlfriend for years.

Anyway, welcome to the forum
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Quote: (09-04-2018 12:27 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You don't think this ex of yours, talking and making out with you behind a guys back she's dating and also being a homewrecker at the same time will do that to you also if you try and lock her down?

Women WANT what they CAN'T have.

She gets satisfaction she's pulling you into her web and taking you away from your wife.

At any time this chick can flip the switch and tell your wife if you piss her off - basically emotionally black mailing you.


This story has alot of hoes in it, you talk this big talk about being a PUA and banging countless women, yet have no regard to frame, operational security, nor choosing a good wife for marriage.

how can she pull me away from my wife if ive already left mentally. she can't black mail regarding my marriage, it's akin to telling a captured suicide bomber you'll kill him if he doesn't give you information.
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If you've left mentally, then why are you hoping your wife will realize she's fucking up and change then?

That doesn't make sense at all.

A captured suicide bomber would be disarmed, and then drilled for intel and tortured, genius.

Just divorce your wife already if you're not "haaappy" and play the field like you used to do, problem solved.
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Quaker13,

I'm supposing you didn't undertake to marry your wife without some serious contemplation, I mean especially if you are a reader of these forums. Therefore I think you should reflect on what caused you to marry her in the first place, because if you spend your life worrying about whether you could have done just a little better, it will never end. You also have a child already, and while I'm not much of a "human rights" type, I take the view that children are entitled either to live and grown up with their real parents or else have a damn convincing account of why they couldn't (e.g., death, serious mental illness, etc). What percentage of your problems with your wife boils down to your conviction that you could "do better?" I'd work on resisting that type of thinking if I were you.

Apologies if I do not follow up on this thread; good luck.
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Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Background. Im a successful PUA

99.9 % credibility blown right there

Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

....that’s been with somewhere between 150-200 women.

That would be enough experience that this low key ratchet situation wouldn't cause this male hamster epileptic fit

Conclusion

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_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
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Quote: (09-04-2018 12:52 PM)ladderff Wrote:  

Quaker13,

I'm supposing you didn't undertake to marry your wife without some serious contemplation, I mean especially if you are a reader of these forums. Therefore I think you should reflect on what caused you to marry her in the first place, because if you spend your life worrying about whether you could have done just a little better, it will never end. You also have a child already, and while I'm not much of a "human rights" type, I take the view that children are entitled either to live and grown up with their real parents or else have a damn convincing account of why they couldn't (e.g., death, serious mental illness, etc). What percentage of your problems with your wife boils down to your conviction that you could "do better?" I'd work on resisting that type of thinking if I were you.

Apologies if I do not follow up on this thread; good luck.

It's not about doing better than my wife physically, it's about her being submissive and feminine like she used to be. Just so happens my ex puts me on a podium. Essentially worships me. She did so before we broke up and she's starting to do it again now. She probably makes 70-80k so it's not like im looking to have subsidize my income by an additional $420k. I just can't get her play and the biggest reason is she never been flaky shady or done anything complicit in attempt to wrong me, so why would she start wronging me now. TBF, she has plausible deniability because she knows im not happy in my marriage.
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#13

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Gonna have to agree with ppt on this. You could have explained your entire situation perfectly while omitting the bragging. And as ppt stated if that truly was your history you wouldn't be asking. 1/10.
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Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her.

^This demonstrates you dont know the female mind

Moreover the reason your wife (if she exists) isn't feminine and submissive any more is because she makes more money than you, and therefore has lost respect for and attraction to you. You'd have had to play master level dread game to keep her female attraction sequences engaged.

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
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Quote: (09-04-2018 01:21 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her.

^This demonstrates you dont know the female mind

Moreover the reason your wife (if she exists) isn't feminine and submissive any more is because she makes more money than you, and therefore has lost respect for and attraction to you. You'd have had to play master level dread game to keep her female attraction sequences engaged.

She's always made significantly more money than me yet early on she was very submissive. She only gets submissive now when she visibly observes men or women complimenting me.
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Quote: (09-04-2018 03:30 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 01:21 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her.

^This demonstrates you dont know the female mind

Moreover the reason your wife (if she exists) isn't feminine and submissive any more is because she makes more money than you, and therefore has lost respect for and attraction to you. You'd have had to play master level dread game to keep her female attraction sequences engaged.

She's always made significantly more money than me yet early on she was very submissive. She only gets submissive now when she visibly observes men or women complimenting me.

Well if you really understood game you'd understand the dynamics at play.

What are the emotional dynamics that cause the effects youre looking for then?

Lesson: Other people's deferential treatment of you triggers her attraction sequence...involuntarily. Those people are elevating your masculine status in her mind (social proof) and eliciting the emotional response a husband has to maintain if he wants her to stay in her feminine role.

In other words. in those instances st least, others are gaming your wife for you

So dont blame her for her loss of femininity and submissiveness. Blame yourself for not maintaining a dominant, masculine position in her mind.

Like I said the fact that she makes more money than you is a challenge due to her inherent hierarchy of needs

So what model would work in this scenario?

You basically need to be running pimp game on her.

If done right from the beginning she'd be "Hi honey, Im home. Here's my paycheck and can I please suck your dick?"

You got work to do

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
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Quote: (09-04-2018 12:34 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:27 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You don't think this ex of yours, talking and making out with you behind a guys back she's dating and also being a homewrecker at the same time will do that to you also if you try and lock her down?

Women WANT what they CAN'T have.

She gets satisfaction she's pulling you into her web and taking you away from your wife.

At any time this chick can flip the switch and tell your wife if you piss her off - basically emotionally black mailing you.


This story has alot of hoes in it, you talk this big talk about being a PUA and banging countless women, yet have no regard to frame, operational security, nor choosing a good wife for marriage.

how can she pull me away from my wife if ive already left mentally. she can't black mail regarding my marriage, it's akin to telling a captured suicide bomber you'll kill him if he doesn't give you information.

You're forgetting what is called "narrative" in PUA. She's not fully aware of you having given up on your wife. Or have you explicitly told her that you have no interest in your wife anyway?

In her mind she's still the one drawing you away from your wife and maybe even the one to push you to take that risk of getting divorced and then finding someone else. You're putting her on a pedestal and making online threads about her.

If you're going to leave your wife, do it cause you'd like to be back in the game as a PUA looking for chicks, but doing it for this ONE chick is a huge risk
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#18

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The only one you should be pointing the finger at is yourself OP. There's nothing wrong with asking for advice and not having all the answers. There is something wrong with feeding BS to the guys here willing to help.
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^Yep.

The game advice may be useful for other readers.

PT and Inv Bro have nailed this.

OP you are delusional.

If you genuinely have a kid (as opposed to a 500k+ earning wife who doesn't respect you and an international model home wrecker ex - the only two options in your super abundant PUA world) then find a way to grow up and drop these bullshit fantasies as -that right there, unchecked-, on its own, makes you a TERRIBLE FATHER.

Mind you, "Last time I went to Miami I was (also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) solo and (I also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) managed to >>fuck 5.5 girls<< while i was there. Granted >>3.5 of them<< were ( also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) from tinder..." but hey ... [Image: tard.gif]
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Quote: (09-04-2018 04:36 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:34 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:27 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You don't think this ex of yours, talking and making out with you behind a guys back she's dating and also being a homewrecker at the same time will do that to you also if you try and lock her down?

Women WANT what they CAN'T have.

She gets satisfaction she's pulling you into her web and taking you away from your wife.

At any time this chick can flip the switch and tell your wife if you piss her off - basically emotionally black mailing you.


This story has alot of hoes in it, you talk this big talk about being a PUA and banging countless women, yet have no regard to frame, operational security, nor choosing a good wife for marriage.

how can she pull me away from my wife if ive already left mentally. she can't black mail regarding my marriage, it's akin to telling a captured suicide bomber you'll kill him if he doesn't give you information.

You're forgetting what is called "narrative" in PUA. She's not fully aware of you having given up on your wife. Or have you explicitly told her that you have no interest in your wife anyway?

In her mind she's still the one drawing you away from your wife and maybe even the one to push you to take that risk of getting divorced and then finding someone else. You're putting her on a pedestal and making online threads about her.

If you're going to leave your wife, do it cause you'd like to be back in the game as a PUA looking for chicks, but doing it for this ONE chick is a huge risk

This is pretty much what i needed to hear man. Thanks. She knows me and my wife aren't functioning well right now and she says she hopes it works out all the while being extremely responsive to my every whim. She knows my wife and I are in therapy and that i've cheated on her a time or two.

I think I've soften up because I've only had had three girlfriends despite my high body count and of the three she was by far and away the sweetest to me and treated me the best. That's why this scenario is so vexing. Why would a woman who has objectively shown me nothing but positive energy try to wrong me now? I do agree placing all of my cards on her is the wrong approach. I will likely drag her along while trying my best to keep my feelings in check. If she shows my wife any texts or gives her a phone call who cares. My wife probably wouldn't leave anyway and even if she does im good so long as i can see my kid
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She has way too many details about you for you to cheat on your fiance. Personally I wouldn't bother marrying a girl I felt the need to sneak around on. If you're going to cheat do it with a girl who ideally doesn't know your real full name and definitely doesn't know your fiance, social media, phone numbers etc, you are very likely going to get caught (but you are probably not marriage material yourself if you have a fiance and a GF.)
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Quote: (09-04-2018 06:11 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

^Yep.

The game advice may be useful for other readers.

PT and Inv Bro have nailed this.

OP you are delusional.

If you genuinely have a kid (as opposed to a 500k+ earning wife who doesn't respect you and an international model home wrecker ex - the only two options in your super abundant PUA world) then find a way to grow up and drop these bullshit fantasies as -that right there, unchecked-, on its own, makes you a TERRIBLE FATHER.

Mind you, "Last time I went to Miami I was (also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) solo and (I also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) managed to >>fuck 5.5 girls<< while i was there. Granted >>3.5 of them<< were ( also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) from tinder..." but hey ... [Image: tard.gif]

damn man what did i do to piss you off and why am I delusional. Im a 40 year old college educated male twice over, why is it implausible i married someone who's also college educated that makes a ton of dough.

btw what does my miami experience have to do with anything
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#23

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Quote: (09-04-2018 04:12 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 03:30 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 01:21 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 10:52 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

She is super receptive to me. As if I never wronged her or dogged her.

^This demonstrates you dont know the female mind

Moreover the reason your wife (if she exists) isn't feminine and submissive any more is because she makes more money than you, and therefore has lost respect for and attraction to you. You'd have had to play master level dread game to keep her female attraction sequences engaged.

She's always made significantly more money than me yet early on she was very submissive. She only gets submissive now when she visibly observes men or women complimenting me.

Well if you really understood game you'd understand the dynamics at play.

What are the emotional dynamics that cause the effects youre looking for then?

Lesson: Other people's deferential treatment of you triggers her attraction sequence...involuntarily. Those people are elevating your masculine status in her mind (social proof) and eliciting the emotional response a husband has to maintain if he wants her to stay in her feminine role.

In other words. in those instances st least, others are gaming your wife for you

So dont blame her for her loss of femininity and submissiveness. Blame yourself for not maintaining a dominant, masculine position in her mind.

Like I said the fact that she makes more money than you is a challenge due to her inherent hierarchy of needs

So what model would work in this scenario?

You basically need to be running pimp game on her.

If done right from the beginning she'd be "Hi honey, Im home. Here's my paycheck and can I please suck your dick?"

You got work to do

Briefly describe said pimp game
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#24

Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Quote: (09-04-2018 08:39 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 06:11 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

^Yep.

The game advice may be useful for other readers.

PT and Inv Bro have nailed this.

OP you are delusional.

If you genuinely have a kid (as opposed to a 500k+ earning wife who doesn't respect you and an international model home wrecker ex - the only two options in your super abundant PUA world) then find a way to grow up and drop these bullshit fantasies as -that right there, unchecked-, on its own, makes you a TERRIBLE FATHER.

Mind you, "Last time I went to Miami I was (also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) solo and (I also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) managed to >>fuck 5.5 girls<< while i was there. Granted >>3.5 of them<< were ( also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) from tinder..." but hey ... [Image: tard.gif]

damn man what did i do to piss you off and why am I delusional. Im a 40 year old college educated male twice over, why is it implausible i married someone who's also college educated that makes a ton of dough.

btw what does my miami experience have to do with anything

Well you've been very even handed in terms of your response to criticism so I'll give you that.

I just don't understand what you're talking about. I know plenty of guys who have slept with 100's if not over a 1000 women.
Many of them are hopeless with relationships now and some are under the thumb of utter bush pigs who baby trapped them after some spectacular glory days earlier in their single life.

PT provides a -link- to a long post on Micky Royal, pimp game instructional guide and your response is to say to him "briefly describe this pimp game."

I have never had sex with .5 of a woman, be it 3.5 women or 5.5 women.

You come across as someone who doesn't know that he doesn't know.

But well done on the admission that in your 40's you have only thus far had 3 bona fide relationships.

That kind of honesty will stand you well in drilling down into what your actual issues are.
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#25

Is my ex-girlfriend toying with me or is she unsure.(no moral finger waving please)

Quote: (09-04-2018 11:18 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 08:39 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2018 06:11 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

^Yep.

The game advice may be useful for other readers.

PT and Inv Bro have nailed this.

OP you are delusional.

If you genuinely have a kid (as opposed to a 500k+ earning wife who doesn't respect you and an international model home wrecker ex - the only two options in your super abundant PUA world) then find a way to grow up and drop these bullshit fantasies as -that right there, unchecked-, on its own, makes you a TERRIBLE FATHER.

Mind you, "Last time I went to Miami I was (also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) solo and (I also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) managed to >>fuck 5.5 girls<< while i was there. Granted >>3.5 of them<< were ( also [Image: smile.gif] ! ) from tinder..." but hey ... [Image: tard.gif]

damn man what did i do to piss you off and why am I delusional. Im a 40 year old college educated male twice over, why is it implausible i married someone who's also college educated that makes a ton of dough.

btw what does my miami experience have to do with anything

Well you've been very even handed in terms of your response to criticism so I'll give you that.

I just don't understand what you're talking about. I know plenty of guys who have slept with 100's if not over a 1000 women.
Many of them are hopeless with relationships now and some are under the thumb of utter bush pigs who baby trapped them after some spectacular glory days earlier in their single life.

PT provides a -link- to a long post on Micky Royal, pimp game instructional guide and your response is to say to him "briefly describe this pimp game."

I have never had sex with .5 of a woman, be it 3.5 women or 5.5 women.

You come across as someone who doesn't know that he doesn't know.

But well done on the admission that in your 40's you have only thus far had 3 bona fide relationships.

That kind of honesty will stand you well in drilling down into what your actual issues are.

Thank you for acknowledging my thick skin. I look through the thread again and saw no such link for pimp game or micky royal, maybe PT will be nice enough to post it.

As an aside, I am not quite as honed in on the nuances of game as some of you all appear to be. I started off with lowly David DeAngelo programs and progressed from there. Knowledge is power, but some guys who are really "game academics" seem to get mired in nuance and analysis too much. I would feel enslaved constantly anaylizing every interaction i had with a woman good bad or otherwise.
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