[stugatz]

Such a damn shame, Sweden. Maybe the SDs gained (and the other SDs had a bad year), but this isn't nearly enough.

Maybe this needs to get really bad. Europe needs a canary in the coal mine.

[Polniy_Sostav]

Judging male votes , it is not so bad. Same for Le Pen. Salvini .etc etc.
I see two options
1) when muslim attacks will really start , at the scale of massacres of entire cities/villages (most likely it will start in Belgium) , a lot of other countries will react and separate from the "main" government.

2) muslims are too clever and will wait another 60 years. then we are doomed. Our only hope is to keep white/christian bastions and keep them safe from any foreign influence.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Only the Muslim leadership is clever and they claim that the Quran is not to be taken literally and it's all up for interpretation, and muh liberal Andalusian utopia etc.

However what they cannot control is the main Muslim part and the true believers who won't wait. So shit will go down ever more. When the countries go 15-20% Muslim then you will see massive immense violence, far more rape and terrorism. AT levels of 25-30% you will likely need the military in the streets and rivers of blood after some prayers at the mosques. So no - they won't wait 60 years, because that is not their thing.

[Richard Turpin]

I've seen stuff on twitter and now Breitbart (link below) discussing the very 'public' nature of the voting procedure in Sweden. Saying how you fill in the ballot out in the open and gangs of 'party soldiers' stand outside handing you pre-selected papers.

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09...emocratic/

Quote:

After the first time a Swedish election has been monitored by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), observers have expressed “shock” at the nation’s “undemocratic” system.
Danish delegate Michael Aastrup Jensen, who has previously monitored elections in Russia and Eastern Europe, told Berlinske: “In all the many election observations I’ve been on, I have not seen anything that comes close to how undemocratic the Swedish voting system is.”

Regardless of how much this skews the result or not (I'm guessing 'not much' as Sweden sadly sounds eager to race towards its fate), does anyone know whether this system is true? In the UK, we have nice little private booths where we can be fairly certain of being anonymous*. Somehow I just assumed all European countries did likewise! Guess you live and learn.

*(At least in the UK we like to alter the result in secret via postal votes!)

[Curunír]

(09-10-2018 10:24 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

I've seen stuff on twitter and now Breitbart (link below) discussing the very 'public' nature of the voting procedure in Sweden. Saying how you fill in the ballot out in the open and gangs of 'party soldiers' stand outside handing you pre-selected papers.

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/09...emocratic/

Quote:

After the first time a Swedish election has been monitored by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), observers have expressed “shock” at the nation’s “undemocratic” system.
Danish delegate Michael Aastrup Jensen, who has previously monitored elections in Russia and Eastern Europe, told Berlinske: “In all the many election observations I’ve been on, I have not seen anything that comes close to how undemocratic the Swedish voting system is.”

Regardless of how much this skews the result or not (I'm guessing 'not much' as Sweden sadly sounds eager to race towards its fate), does anyone know whether this system is true? In the UK, we have nice little private booths where we can be fairly certain of being anonymous*. Somehow I just assumed all European countries did likewise! Guess you live and learn.

*(At least in the UK we like to alter the result in secret via postal votes!)

The Socialists beat the polls by +6 and the Nationalists were overestimated by at least +2.

So unfortunately it's not always true that the nationalist vote is under polled.

[redpillage]

So was I right or was I right about Sweden?

[Malone]

Sweden is much more useful as an example.

[Mage]

(09-10-2018 02:16 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

Judging male votes , it is not so bad. Same for Le Pen. Salvini .etc etc.

It will not be bad when 90% of men vote for strong borders and keep their wives and daughters in home on voting day.

It seems like many right wingers are used for scraps and saying - "hey these leftovers are that bad!".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This high-trust Swedish voting system with hardly an anonymous choice will just make it tougher for the people to pick the "racist party papers". The conformist Swedes thus become even more conformist.

Plus voting manipulation by far-lefts and Muslims are a certainty.

In Austria it turned out that the letter ballot voting system was manipulated by hundreds of thousands of votes in one of the recent elections!

Similar to how the Democrats prevent the voter ID system so that millions of illegals can continue to vote for the left.

Not only is our current system manipulated by the media and academia at the top, the candidates preselected - you have the voting rigged to some degree as well.

A candidate that is anti-globalist has to break through multiple barriers in that country.

Still - some polls were talking about 30%, but I don't know whether things can be manipulated that far from 30 to 18%.

Even if they have a weekly terrorist attack in the next 4 years, then I expect at best 25% then. Soon it won't matter because the country will descend ever more into a shithole.

[Foolsgo1d]

They still need to create a government no? Coalition up for grabs?

[nomadbrah]

Ok, so let me ask the blackpillers here.

Where you do think democratically disenfranchised military age men are going to turn?

Do you realize that Sweden actually has a serious, large group of national socialists who are not made up of either low iq skinheads or soyboys? These are serious guys who have "never back down" (to antifa) as their main credo.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I am honestly curious how this will all turn out.

Fact is that the diversity won't be controlled by anything but stupendous brutal force.

And fact is that the full-blooded men in Europe won't submit to a Caliphate ever. They will just slap the shit out of their refugee-welcoming women and go fight the Jihadis.

Also fact is that the elite is not overly concerned by the Muslim threat - the military advancement is on Dr.Manhattan level and they could microwave their dumb heads from miles away with the new advanced weaponry, after they have fried their electronics and smart-carpet-bombed their heavy artillery.

So they are not really a contender for the takeover.





We shall see how they attempt to pull it all off.

[mikado]

Once more, another defeat (compared to expectations) for the sempiternal War in Europe against Islam blabla.

Keep dreaming about a crusade ever happening.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Yeah - someone here is very happy with Europe becoming an Afro-Islamic shithole.

But I guess Europeans deserve everything coming their way if they let themselves be brainwashed that far.

[mikado]

No stop lying.

I never said I wanted Europe to be majority Islamic. And I several times criticized undocumented migrants. Stop inventing crap about me.
I just said that for me, no way the situation will reach a crusade.

Classical tactics from alt right: whenever you disagree about their core theories, then it means you are shilling for Islamic migration and terrorist murders.

Overexagerating like that is the reason you'll never fully convince the moderates.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Fair enough Mikado.

And frankly I don't mind if some smarter Africans like you come over. Would not even mind if you marry one of my female cousins.

It's just the sheer scale happening and "no offense to you" - the quality of the rubber-boat-guys coming over.

It's not your fault that the cucks are still unaware of their own doom and keep on voting for more cuckoldry.

Peace.

As for a crusade - that is the past, won't be coming back. But when push comes to shove and Muslims start slaughtering tens of thousands, then don't expect the remaining 250 mio. Europeans to just cover down in fear. Sweden may be lost, but other countries - and even many in the West won't surrender.

[mikado]

Point taken.

Excuse me for my (unnecessary) violent tone

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Plenty of manipulation in the stupid Swedish high-trust election method.

On top of it you see the Muslims voting 70%+ for the socialists of course.

One Turkish Hijabi who now lives in Turkey on the Swedish pension says that she has to stop racism.

One official party member was writing propaganda against the nationalist parties in Arabic. He was later found to have ties to ISIS - hehe.

And the funny part is that the left really believes that the Muslims are their friends.

They are playing the long-game and doing conquest by migration as was done in the past in the Middle East.

My guess is that 5 to even 10% went missing for the nationalists. But even at 28%-32%, that is still awfully low in my opinion.

I still blame the Swedes for being too brainwashed, but the only thing that you can say to their side is that they have good intentions and err on insane altruism, on wanting to hug everyone - even the people who will wipe them out.

I listened now recently to the Richard Spencer-Sargon of Akkad debate.

And it's not that I agree with Spencer on everything - he makes some strange points, but Sargon's idea of a state without a people, without an ethnic definition is insane. He honestly thinks or does not care whether the UK or Sweden turns 90% black or Middle Eastern. Sure - he understands the problem with Islam, but not about the rest.

Ah well - never mind - even Sargon has said that he is going to man the machine guns against Islam, so good luck with that Caliphate.

But Swedish election system is really bad - almost as bad as in the US where you need an ID to get a fucking fishing license, but no ID to vote for the president.

[nomadbrah]

Mikado, did you study the numbers?

35-40% of ethnic swedish men voted for Sweden Democrats.

It was only women and immigrants who kept them lower.

Who do you think have actual power to change things, who are police officers, military?

[TigerMandingo]

With the rising tensions on Syria, we can expect another wave of refugees in the coming years. And then the same dudes on this forum will go "these damn Muzzies invading white Europa!"

If you don't want Muslims coming over, stop bombing their countries. And I know the next point - "but we have no power! It's the globalists!" yea, the same damn globalists that were voted in by the public, went through the same Western educational system and hold the same values.

There should mass protests right now against any further Middle East intervention, but there isn't any. Because the people don't give a shit.

[gework]

(09-11-2018 07:06 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Who do you think have actual power to change things, who are police officers, military?

Right now the answer to that question is this:

[mikado]

Enabling policies restricting the number of kids is a good start.
Mandatory instruction and cutting welfare off if the kids do not meet a certain standard is OK too.
In general I am OK with punishing migrants families for not adhering to European standards, because the educated ones will pass them anyway.

I think harsh, but just decisions can be taken. The problem in this game is that the centrist position is unwelcomed by everybody. The debate has become too polarized. It's about strict anti-immigration laws, or free-for-all ones.

Where are the actual true moderates, like me?


Like, IRL or online here everyone says I am in the opposite side. Fuck that.

Like it or not, this is what makes people like Emmanuel Macron reach the presidency. And even if you call his immigration policies globalist, he is indeniably acting on the right for issues like economics.

A "Take no prisoners" like Trump can occasionally win, but he will be far from having the maximum tools at his disposition to impose his views.

And also, it helps having clear viable economic policies (I did not see much about this from Swedish democrats, or AFD, much less the Front National). Only immigration immigration all day.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< As many others even on the Alt-Right have said - it's hardly necessary to use much force to kick out people. 70% of Muslims are unemployed in Europe.

It's cheaper to offer families 50.000$/adult and 30.000$/child one-lump sum and have them leave. Heck - even offering 70.000-100.000$/person is cheaper than feeding them for the next 20 years.

Is the well-qualified, Sweden-and-the-winter-woods-loving engineer or doctor going to take that offer? No.

Closing the borders is also not "violence" and neither is blind acceptance of everyone. You come without cash, are not supposed to stay, then you simply get deported, no financial incentive, no nothing - you fuck off. That is tantamount to someone breaking into my house, raiding my kitchen, clogging my toilet and demanding sex with my girl. Then he complains that I throw him out.

Fuck off! There is no human right of welfare. The early US settlers got nothing - they risked an arrow in the head and there was the open wild - nothing. They had to build everything first.

Currently the West should have negative immigration laws - not only closed borders to non-Europeans, but incentives to leave for unwelcome citizens as well as strict deportation enforcements. That is not some kind of inhumane treatment for fuck's sake. No one is quartering you if you have to leave a country.

[nomadbrah]

(09-11-2018 07:10 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

With the rising tensions on Syria, we can expect another wave of refugees in the coming years. And then the same dudes on this forum will go "these damn Muzzies invading white Europa!"

If you don't want Muslims coming over, stop bombing their countries. And I know the next point - "but we have no power! It's the globalists!" yea, the same damn globalists that were voted in by the public, went through the same Western educational system and hold the same values.

There should mass protests right now against any further Middle East intervention, but there isn't any. Because the people don't give a shit.

Americans voted for Donald Trump to stay out of the Middle East.

When he hasn't succeeded, it is because jews still control most of the US and because Trump unfortunately has jewish family.

The people won't make that mistake next time.

You might as well have asked the people living in DDR to rise up and overthrow their government. Doesn't work like that.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< The current system is all done by clever propaganda and the guise of being "good citizens" followed after decades of brain-washing.

Plus - there are no case studies in recent history that showed us: "Look at Greece how they accepted 40% Muslims or Africans and look how fucked up they are now in the midst of a shithole-civil-war".

Venezuelans had communism fail the world over and still overwhelmingly voted for them.

The Germans in the 1930s voted for almost 30% for commies, because back then little was known - something similar is happening with our current multicultural everyone-can-be-German system. When this is proven wrong, then the other countries will act much more strongly against it. Many white SJWs will pull far right fast.

And as for communism - the Hungarians rose up in the 1950s first, the Czech in the 1960s, the Poles in the 1970s and 80s, the Germans finally were the only ones in the 1980s where the Soviets did not intervene. All other communist counter-revolutions in EE were prevented by the Soviets. In Poland the Soviets already moved tanks to the border in case the Polish government would not clamp down hard. If they had done the same in 1989 in the DDR, then it would still be comrade this and that.

The globalists were not voted in - they did their best through constant brainwashing from Hollywood to every elementary school. It was a trillionaire global master-class efford involving planning spanning centuries in advance and decades of miniature plans and changes. This wasn't just Joe Shmoe saying - let's just open the borders and wipe them out - idiots won't say a peep. If they had done that in the 1960s or even 80s, then there would have been riots and violence.