[the-dream]

It's not just an ego thing. The most important reason to make sure your child has your accent is so that they are not viewed as an outsider in your own country.

[This Is Trouble]

I will expand on this. The interest seems to be there, and privacy is not a concern. My face has been on my blog and ROK for years now, the story’s out there. It’s how I’ve built my business. My girl has met numerous people from this forum, as well. Maybe I can help another man in a similar situation.

Let’s flash back to 2016:

As soon as I stepped into Ukraine, my immediate thought was how I loved the place. But I think in the back of my mind, I always thought it would be very difficult to live there for a westerner. I always had it in the back of my mind that one of those Central-Eastern European countries would be a better fit for the long term. More expats, better quality of life, bit more westernized, etc.

Those places that came to mind to me were always:

- Poland
- Prague
- Budapest

Poland is a tough one, because I love Krakow, hate Warsaw, and everything else is a bit small for my taste. But Krakow is small and completely overrun with tourists. Prague is a great place but the westernization is there and is looming ever larger. Budapest is a great city as well, though I do end up living like a degenerate there every time.

Here is something I realized:

EVERY place is going to have some tourism. But it might not be in many people’s best interest to live in a place where tourism is one of the (if not the) biggest point of the economy.

You see, as a westerner, you are probably going to want to live somewhat near the city center. It doesn’t make sense to move all the way from the US to Europe, and then live in the suburbs that are built completely like the US suburbs anyway (with apartments instead of houses). Most of us probably want to live in charming old buildings with character, and close to the action. And the flip side is that you end up dealing with the hordes of stupid tourists that are just a mess.

It’s not just the stag parties that destroy the night game.

It’s that you can’t walk down the sidewalk without having to fight your way through hordes of Chinese people with selfie sticks on their stupid tours. You can’t sleep at night because drunk people are playing their boombox on the street. The nicest part of the year - summer - the city gets emptied out from all the locals. They all go to the summer houses and leave you in the city, and even MORE tourists show up.

(I make no illusions, I know in FSU everybody goes to the dachas every weekend)

In a nutshell:

All these cities that are definitely a little bit more livable than a Soviet city...there’s a reason they ARE more livable. Tourists!

And again, you could move out of the city center to the ‘burbs, where there are no tourists, but at that point you might as well sign yourself for a corporate job and commute, too. I could never see myself being happy doing that. Maybe further down the line when kids were in the picture, but now? No way.

[DaveR]

(08-19-2018 06:02 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

All these cities that are definitely a little bit more livable than a Soviet city...there’s a reason they ARE more livable. Tourists!

What does that mean? What are your measures of liveability? In your earlier paragraphs you wrote that tourists make those places unliveable.

If you're alluding to the level of development: It may not be obvious to those who didn't have the chance to visit those places in the early 2000s before the EU membership action plans started to take effect. The level of development, clenliness and general functionality you see in Central Europe and the Baltics, in comparison to the Ukraine, is due to:
- roughly half as much time spent under Communism, ergo less integration into the Soviet system: far less ugly Soviet-style development and 'sovok' mentality isn't as strongly ingrained.
- far less destruction during the War. Polish mounted cavalry was surprisingly ineffective against T-34s.
- billions of Euros Western European taxpayers pumped into those economies under their "Membership Action Plans" in exchange for their integration into the EU(German) economy (and it continues: http://www.money-go-round.eu/ ).
- their local and regional regulations being dictated by Brussels according to the German model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquis_com...e#Chapters

There are other well-preserved historic cities that don't attract the high number of tourists: Timisoara, Belgrade and Sofia, for example... but if you're not planning to integrate, those places won't be attractive long-term as their 'expat' populations are quite small. Saint Petersburg's Chernyshevskaya and Petrogradskaya storona neighbourhoods are very similar.

(08-19-2018 06:02 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

More expats

I don't understand why you see that as a long-term advantage. It sounds a lot like your issue is that don't plan on integrating and adopting the culture of your target country.

[Perspicacity]

Re. potential 'corruption' of baby momma:

One line of thinking would be to stay in the mother's country until she's 30 or a little under, then move to the West / other country of choice. Thinking here being that as a traditional/conservative girl, she will believe that by this point she has no time left to find a superior guy, jump ship, and upgrade before she's 30 -- in her home culture, 30 = spinster. Bonus points if this is also the culture of the country you move to.

Plus you will have had her pop out a few kids that will keep her busy and (again given her conservatism) she will not want to be a single mother of / mess up by abandoning the father (you).

Your income and savings will have increased, so then you could split time between both home countries if desired -- hopefully own property in both, maybe rent out the one not in use to recoup the investment.

Let's say you swoop an 18 year-old, date her for two or three years before deciding you want to have kids with her. So she has kids at (say) 22, 25, and 29.

If you move out of her home country when she's 30 (I'm assuming you'll be around 40 or 45 at this point), then it'll be with an 8 year-old, a 5 year-old, and a 1 year-old.

Effectively, rather than 'compromising' 100% and living indefinitely in her country, you reduce your degree of compromise by only living in her home country for a while, then moving out.

Presumably you tell her this up-front, but then how do you enforce it ten or twelve years down the line?

What if she agrees up front but then refuses? Will you have enough bargaining power to enforce the agreement?

Basically, it's all speculation from me -- you'd have to see if you can dig up any data or anecdotes for precedent.

Speaking of precedent:

Re. settling in a 'middle country':

One factor that has to be considered when looking at the 'third culture' option is how the kids will fare.

Anyone seriously considering it should spend SIGNIFICANT (commensurate with the gravity of the decision) time reading up on Third Culture Kids (TCK's) generally, and on the specific case of the third culture they're considering (preferably even specifically researching the exact mother ethnicity/father ethnicity/third culture combo under consideration).

One particular thing here is how sons will fare vs daughters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.html?tit...ifferences Wrote:

Gender differences

Much of the literature and research surrounding TCKs has found that these individuals are more open to learning new languages, demonstrate more flexibility when interacting with a novel culture than their monoculture peers, and a greater interest in continuing a global nomad lifestyle, which includes an interest in international careers.[26] It has been found that women are more inclined to seek out interpersonal relationships while men are more task-oriented in their relationships and choices.[27] Such findings were used in the hypothesis of a study conducted by Gerner & Perry (2000) that predicted that gender differences would also be found in the cultural acceptance and experiences of TCKs.[28]

Both non-U.S. citizen females and U.S. citizen females were found to have more positive ratings of cultural acceptance, acquisition or exposure to a new language, travel, and interest in going into an international career in the future and were less prone to stereotypes.[23]

(Note: This could be a load of shit: Any guy considering this should do his due diligence and research, and look at the papers himself, and see if they ring true with any anecdotes he can dig up.)

Hapas would be a special case (and illustrative example) of this, albeit confounded by the specific racial connotations and mix of distinct 'racial groups', whereas e.g. U.S./Ukraine is regarded as less of a crossover.

I suspect hapa sons would fare much better in the Asian country than the amount they apparently suffer in Western ones. But that's a guess -- any guy considering a given third culture (or indeed culture/ethnicity of the mother) should think long and hard about the lives he's setting up his sons and daughters for in that third culture.

That's the most extreme example, but something worth considering when such a big decision is at hand.

(This is a general point. Might or might not be applicable to Trouble's specific situation, given level of 'racial crossover' will be perceived low or even imperceptible at a glance, and lack of reason to think sons or daughters will fare particularly badly if raised in a third culture Central European country.)

[DaveR]

(08-19-2018 03:48 PM)Perspicacity Wrote:  

Re. potential 'corruption' of baby momma:

One line of thinking would be to stay in the mother's country until she's 30 or a little under, then move to the West / other country of choice. Thinking here being that as a traditional/conservative girl, she will believe that by this point she has no time left to find a superior guy, jump ship, and upgrade before she's 30 -- in her home culture, 30 = spinster. Bonus points if this is also the culture of the country you move to.

Plus you will have had her pop out a few kids that will keep her busy and (again given her conservatism) she will not want to be a single mother of / mess up by abandoning the father (you).

I'm not sure what your background is, but I think you've made two very incorrect assumptions in the above:
1. that the average Ukrainian or Russian girl is traditional and would make a loyal wife - that isn't the case at all. They're extremely opportunistic (on average; see below).
2. that there's some kind of social stigma against single motherhood, illegitimate children, divorce, or any other non-nuclear family structure in East Slavic culture - there's absolutely none.

As Rocha pointed out earlier, many make the mistake of assuming that Eastern girls are sweet and traditional because of outward appearances, before they've even learnt the language, let alone fully understood the culture. The three-date rule, in particular, really throws a lot of guys off, particularly those from the Anglosphere who aren't accustomed to a society with a such a hard T–V distinction.

Russians and Ukrainians are highly intelligent, cultured, sexy, great in bed and fun to be around, but the way they dress and their attitude to men, especially exotic foreigners with good passports, is driven by the socio-economic realities they face (sexual market competiton), not some notion of loyalty or tradition.

Their societies place far less importance on the nuclear family than middle-class Britain or America does. Sure, you might find the occasional religious 20-year-old virgin whose father is a clergyman and mother stays at home knitting, but you can find plenty of them in Utah. Your average slavic 17-year-old has already had a few boyfriends and mastered the art of sucking the chrome off a tow-hitch.

If you're looking for a traditional, loyal wife, you should probably start in the most traditional and religious culture you can find, not the deepest shithole. Eastern countries are great for socio-economic arbitrage game, but that can't buy you loyalty. Once you get away from big-city liberal faggotry, parts of Latin Europe and Greece, for example, despite their relative wealth, are far more conservative and traditional than anywhere in the Ukraine or Russia. There are more suitable places even within the FSU, or South America..

Slavic slut doesn't a loyal wife make.

[godzilla]

(08-18-2018 06:32 AM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  

A successful model I’ve seen:

- Live in your wifes country and raise kids to ~12-14. Ensure they can speak english with as little an accent as possible.

- Move to the USA for their high school, apply to USA colleges. Once all kids are in college, you and your wife can move back to her country

This creates truly bicultural kids, comfortable both in the west and their mother’s country. They can get a high paying job in the west or leverage their unique background to do business between the two countries.

And for you and your wife, life is inexpensive for ~14 of 20 child rearing years, with the ~6 in the USA when everyone is older (less chance of your wife straying) and with the knowledge that you’ll be moving back (your wife knows she will have her social circle + family support back soon, and the purpose for her sacrifice is to give your kids the best chance at success).

The above is my personal plan currently.

Not a bad plan. But you could probably send them to college for free in Europe while it costs a small fortune to go to school in America.

[lavidaloca]

Theres a general problem with exporting a girl. You are by virtue removing her from all of her friends and family. That will take an incredible toll on just about any girl.

The method suggested by Roadto100 is similar to my own plan.

I plan to live in my wife's country but place my daughter in an international school during her high school years assuming she has reasonable academic ability and then allow her to go to a good university in the West if she chooses. I wouldn't pay for my daughter to attend some sub par degree factory in the West with that said.

The alternative is that I will pay for her to begin a business in the area she likes after gaining a few years post graduation experience in that area. If she went this route I'd have her go to university within her country of birth.

[CleanSlate]

(08-20-2018 12:53 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Theres a general problem with exporting a girl. You are by virtue removing her from all of her friends and family. That will take an incredible toll on just about any girl.

The method suggested by Roadto100 is similar to my own plan.

I plan to live in my wife's country but place my daughter in an international school during her high school years assuming she has reasonable academic ability and then allow her to go to a good university in the West if she chooses. I wouldn't pay for my daughter to attend some sub par degree factory in the West with that said.

The alternative is that I will pay for her to begin a business in the area she likes after gaining a few years post graduation experience in that area. If she went this route I'd have her go to university within her country of birth.

I would also add that a lot can change in 12-16 years. In terms of education and development, as well as employment opportunities, the world may look like a totally different place 15 years from now. So it pays to be flexible in planning for your kids' futures. There is the possibility that sending them to Asian universities (China, Korea, etc) may guarantee a better financial future for your kids than sending them over to the West. Whether or not that's a good thing for us personally, I don't know.

[Winston Wolfe]

(08-20-2018 12:59 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

There is the possibility that sending them to Asian universities (China, Korea, etc) may guarantee a better financial future for your kids than sending them over to the West. Whether or not that's a good thing for us personally, I don't know.

Imagine your son speaking fluent English, Russian and Mandarin by 18, and also grasps each culture.



Add Spanish to the mix and there is no way that kid is not going to be a success in life, regardless of his education or intelligence. Although I'm not sure how far you could stretch it in terms of languages, there might be a point of diminishing returns.

Having said that though, kids learn languages incredibly fast and efficiently. They are basically sponges. I have always had the plan of raising my future kids at least tri-lingual to give them a huge advantage over their peers. In a lot of countries men from this forum go wife hunting in, speaking fluent English alone is enough to put them miles ahead.

[Vladimir Poontang]

If you split your time between 2 countries, you're going to always be somewhat out of touch with both the culture and your friends / acquaintances from each one.

If you spend x number of years in one country then move to the other, you're going to lose friends.

When deciding what country and city to live in, you really should try to consider it from the point of view of your 50 or 60 year old future self. And then out of the possible options from that point of view, choose the one that is also fun and gives you some or most of what you need now.

You're better off always thinking long term, because you don't want to be changing plans all the time. For residence, think long term, and for extra curricular travel, well you can do that whenever you want and there's less to think about. Don't confuse your long term future lifestyle with travel. Travel is travel, life is life.

[semibaron]

(08-18-2018 06:32 AM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  

A successful model I’ve seen:

- Live in your wifes country and raise kids to ~12-14. Ensure they can speak english with as little an accent as possible.

- Move to the USA for their high school, apply to USA colleges. Once all kids are in college, you and your wife can move back to her country

This creates truly bicultural kids, comfortable both in the west and their mother’s country. They can get a high paying job in the west or leverage their unique background to do business between the two countries.

And for you and your wife, life is inexpensive for ~14 of 20 child rearing years, with the ~6 in the USA when everyone is older (less chance of your wife straying) and with the knowledge that you’ll be moving back (your wife knows she will have her social circle + family support back soon, and the purpose for her sacrifice is to give your kids the best chance at success).

The above is my personal plan currently.

For this to work your kids (plural) need to pop out without a lot of time inbetween. Just imagine 3 kids with an age difference of 3 years to the next older. This would already mess up the plan.


Here is my alternative:
1. Take a risk and become rich
2a. When failed and poor, stay in your home country
2b. When rich, move to your wife's county
3. Transfer your wealth to your kids so they don't have to work a shitty job

[JimBobsCooters]

(08-20-2018 01:24 AM)Winston Wolfe Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:59 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

There is the possibility that sending them to Asian universities (China, Korea, etc) may guarantee a better financial future for your kids than sending them over to the West. Whether or not that's a good thing for us personally, I don't know.

Imagine your son speaking fluent English, Russian and Mandarin by 18, and also grasps each culture.



Add Spanish to the mix and there is no way that kid is not going to be a success in life, regardless of his education or intelligence. Although I'm not sure how far you could stretch it in terms of languages, there might be a point of diminishing returns.

Having said that though, kids learn languages incredibly fast and efficiently. They are basically sponges. I have always had the plan of raising my future kids at least tri-lingual to give them a huge advantage over their peers. In a lot of countries men from this forum go wife hunting in, speaking fluent English alone is enough to put them miles ahead.

I also plan on doing this, as someone who speaks a few languages badly I can see the massive advantage of speaking them very well from a young age. It's also tremendous for their brain and learning development in general and even if the languages themselves provide no direct benefit that cognitive expansion certainly will. Even going through my social circle, none of the guys I went to school with still speak the languages we spent 5 years learning in school at any decent level but everyone who did the 5 years of language learning is more successful than the couple of friends who dropped it after the first year that was mandatory. Maybe it's a chicken and an egg thing but still a pretty strong correlation.

[JesusChrist]

(08-19-2018 03:48 PM)Perspicacity Wrote:  

Presumably you tell her this up-front, but then how do you enforce it ten or twelve years down the line?

What if she agrees up front but then refuses? Will you have enough bargaining power to enforce the agreement?

If she loves you and you are the leader of the household, she will follow you wherever you decide to take the family.

It is obviously important that you have much more money than she does. She won't see a cent if you simply leave her home country never to return. So she will comply.

I think a lot of people here underestimate the power that money has. Especially if you are looking for a traditional girlfriend/wife. Traditionally, men with money were real men. Men without money were nobodies. If you want to deserve love from a traditional woman, and want her to stick with you, you have to be get relatively rich. That's just the reality.

[JesusChrist]

(08-19-2018 01:19 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

I don't understand why you see that as a long-term advantage. It sounds a lot like your issue is that don't plan on integrating and adopting the culture of your target country.

After a certain age, is this even possible? And even if it were, would someone ever be truly happy leaving their own culture behind?

This is the big problem with living in the 3rd world as I see it. You are just forever going to be an outsider, always being irritated at the small stuff and the way people behave (as it won't be customary to how you grew up).

[8ball]

(08-19-2018 08:31 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Not a bad plan. But you could probably send them to college for free in Europe while it costs a small fortune to go to school in America.

If they finish highschool and college in the US, it gives them the option to choose whether they want to stay in the US or comeback to the country of their childhood. It also gives them the option to make something of themselves in industries that don't really exist in most places. Also top american companies are not dying to hire graduates from ukraine or bosnia.

[buja]

I will face this same dilemma someday.

However, college will NOT be a factor.
It's a waste of time except for a few career choices.

If my kid has a undying passion to become a research scientist...ok

Getting a Bachelor of Arts degree is an expensive waste of time...the same knowledge is available by spending a few hours on Wikipedia, but without all the socialist/feminist indoctrination.

[This Is Trouble]

(08-19-2018 06:02 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

More expats
I don't understand why you see that as a long-term advantage. It sounds a lot like your issue is that don't plan on integrating and adopting the culture of your target country.

Simple things like being able to go play a pickup basketball game or join a softball team.

That's the advantage - you can have a bit of taste of home. And, from my experience, most expats who have been out here for years and years are generally cool fuckin' dudes.

They may not be "red-pilled" from something like this forum but they generally have a view on life that mirrors it.

[2 Cool 4 U]

Even if you bring a foreign wife to countries like the U.S., the judicial system will be on her side and you'll be stuck paying alimony and/or child support if you get divorced.

At least there's low divorce rates with American men married to foreign women than American men married to an American women

[JohnQPublic]

It looks like this discussion has a lot of limiting beliefs. For sure, guys who are thinking about how it might work if they snag an FSU hottie want to know what the options are, but there are more options than just getting the submissive uneducated girl. I spent over 7 years in EE and I have met lots of expats and I know at least ten girls who most guys here would jump at the opportunity to go out with who moved to the US, UK or elsewhere in the West and never looked back. For the expats, at least half the ones who stayed in country speak the language fluently (and all speak enough to get around, but maybe not eat dinner at the in-laws house). If you do that you have a chance to feel at home, if you don't your world is pretty much limited to expats. The main problem with that is that they are always leaving. It's still doable but your world will be much more limited than it would be if you could talk to and hang out with anybody you meet. IMHO most people don't want to do that and after the novelty wears off they want to leave. What i never heard was guys bitching about whether or not their kid would get into college in the US or be able to make enough money. That's not the mindset of most of the expats who decided to go be an EE pioneer and stay there (yeah it's like a pioneer in the Old West except for now its 1000x easier. You can actually hope to see and talk to your friends and family again).

As far as the girls who moved to another country, they all have one thing in common. That's what they always wanted to do, so they spent their time learning English (or Italian, or whatever language they needed), then they went there. These girls wouldn't fall under the category of the non-Westernized ones guys posting here are looking for. Usually they have put some effort into being self-sufficient at some level and are ready and willing to take care of themselves until they find the right guy. I met a few of the girls who went to the US or UK, etc then came back too. Those fell into two categories. Either they went (usually UK, or some other EU country) when they were 19 or 20, studied and then worked, or just worked, lived their single life, didn't find a husband and decided to move back to a big EE city (not necessarily home, but at least something closer to what they knew). The others (mostly who had been in the US where it was much harder for them to get established due to visa etc) wanted to leave again as soon as possible. They were just trying to get the right situation (a job, save money to go to school, find the kind of guy they wanted, etc). Then you can ask why they wanted to leave? I don't know if there is any one reason, but at least sometimes it's because they wanted to get away from their family. In those countries, having been born under communism or in the aftermath, a lot never even knew their father and their mother was encouraging them since they were small to get out and find something better.

You could also find bizarre cases like girls married to a guy that could sort of speak the language, but not really and as they finally learn English they discover that they never even knew this guy because he couldn't really talk to her.

With all of that in mind and maybe also reading carefully what DaveR writes, if you want to "export a girl" or go live in country, maybe this will help you find a road map.

[BaatumMania]

Honestly the whole of Eastern Europe, especially the major cities, are practically Potemkin villages.

They have decent / fast internet
Restaurants / Cafe workers seem to speak English
Cheap prices for almost everything
Men and women look attractive

So it really looks appealing from a newcomer's perspective and that newcomer is wondering why it isn't more popular among Westerners when you hear about Westerners paying higher prices in Bangkok and so on.


But once you've spent months or years in Eastern Europe then you realize how many barriers and obstacles you have to jump through as a western foreign male. I sometimes wonder if a western woman can have an easier time integrating in Eastern Europe but I haven't met any who fit that description. Usually western women don't the income or savings ability to live abroad for extended periods of time (in my opinion). Also in 2018 a fat woman has more sexual market value than a hot guy in USA so a western woman doesn't have much of a motivation to live abroad.

[scotian]

(08-16-2018 01:09 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 12:38 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 05:00 AM)Lino Wrote:  

@Scotian: what about the attitude of these latina in Canada? Talking about the ones who spent a few years there already.

When I was in London I banged a few brasilian girls, the ones who just arrived were a delight. They were not comfortable yet with the culture and it was a big plus for me to know a bit about the brasilian culture, being able to communicate with them in their native language (with my extremely basic portuguese) was also a plus.

However, the ones who were in London since a few years were ALL totally westernized and some of them became actually way more entitled than native english women. IMO finding an attractive brazilian who is in the west since many years and who kept her « qualities » is exceptional, I never met any.

The ones in the the 30+ range were either single moms entitled and feminists, either career women. Mind you, even the ugly ones became entitled.

It’s a bit tricky because on one hand they have to be able to adapt to their new environment so becoming more westernised in the process is normal. I think finding one who arrived in her early 20’s, is in the west since 5 or 10 years and is still traditional and submissive is impossible.

On a side note some people misunderstand « submissive », even on this forum some members have a negative definition of it. To me it doesn’t mean she is only allowed to clean, cook and fuck you. It is more a feminine trait of being non argumentative, doing all she can to keep a family united and harmonious and respecting you as a man.

I date these Latinas in Canada as a stopgap between trips to Colombia, so I haven't dated any of them long enough to notice how westernized they've become but one thing that I really like is that they show up on time! So yes, they do adopt some western habits, which aren't all that bad, like punctuality. Honestly I think it's a bit overblown here on RVF, the amount that a girl gets westernized and in my opinion it isn't such a bad thing, to a certain extent, obviously you don't want to date a huge cunt but I've never dated Canadian women who are huge cunts (yes, they exist) so it isn't really an issue I've ever thought much about. All of these Latinas have been fun and pleasant to be around.

Guys, its a trade off, yes the girl will adopt some western habits if she moves and won't be the sweet little feminine angel she was back home but the best part is that you won't have to live in her third world shit hole, trust me, that gets old too.

I'm flying a Colombian girl I met on Tinder from Edmonton to Toronto in ten days and we're going to make the 36 hour drive out there together, I've never met her but we've been chatting on whatsapp for a few months. I just need someone to keep me company during the drive and hopefully get some road skull, this could be the worse idea ever, hopefully I don't have to drop her off at the Grey Hound station in Thunder Bay!!!

Man Be Sure To Report Back That Trip Playa!

I made it back to Edmonton after the grueling 36 hour drive with the Colombian chica I had never met before, here's how it went:

TLDR: long boring ass drive was made less boring with this fun chica who I banged the entire trip but likely won't continue to see, unless its for FWB type bangs when I need to get laid.

Background story: I matched this girl on Tinder back in April but I didn't get a chance to meet her at the time, then I moved to eastern Canada for work. I decided to drive back out west and invited her to come along, to which she agreed, I paid for her flight and meals, approximate cost of having her on the trip was about $300 USD.

The chica: 33, big fake tits and decent body, butter face, from Cali (my favourite chicas) single mom (kid is in Colombia), came to Canada with her now ex Colombian husband. Works two jobs, low skilled hotel stuff, sends most of her money home, lives with her cousin and his Latina wife, doesn't speak any English (after living in Canada for three years), basically lives in a Latin bubble.

Despite the red flags (divorced single mom) and her not being that attractive, she was a lot of fun and like most Latinas I hang out with, was a pleasure to be around. We got along fine the entire trip, I had a huge play list of Latin music (salsa and reggaeton heavy) that I played and we both sang along to the songs the whole trip. She is very much a basic Colombian girl, not low class ghetto trash but definitely not an intellectual, we talked a lot of emotional stuff and about the differences between Colombia and Canada. Since I've spent so much time in Colombia, we had a lot to talk about, Colombians love to talk about their country, society, food, culture, etc.

Downsides:
Her style: She didn't dress for a long road trip but like a typical Colombiana, especially from Cali, she showed up in tight fitting onesie with her big fake tits hanging out and wearing heels. Every day during the four day trip she dressed like that, tight skirts with her cleavage exposed and high heels. I of course made fun of her, telling her that the red necks of rural northern Ontario and Saskatchewan don't care if she's in heels and a dress and she replied that she's not like Canadian women who dress like men jajaja. It was annoying though as she took an hour to get ready in the morning.

Overly affectionate: Again, this is typical and can get annoying. By day two she's calling me by terms of endearment so amor, carino, baby, corazon, etc. She was super touchy too which was annoying while I was driving, she'd put her arm on my shoulder, touch my nose, lips, neck and rest her hand on my leg. At one point while her hand was on my thigh, I started getting a boner so I grabbed her hand and put it on my cock, then she started rubbing it and I got a raging hard on so I whipped it out and she started jacking me off. There was heavy traffic on the highway so I pulled over onto a dirt road, we drove a bit to be out of sight then I turned onto a muddy back road, parked the car and proceeded to bang her brains out in the woods, doggy style as she leaved over the hood of my car. This was somewhere near Sudbury, fortunately no bears attacked us while in coitus.

Dependent on others: She's the type of girl who I compare to a little puppy dog on a leash, they can't do much for themselves so you basically have to do everything for them like order their food in restaurants because they can't decide what to eat and, in this chica's case, she can't speak English so didn't understand the menu. This has its downsides and upsides, as you'll always be in control but honestly that gets a bit old too. Also she never drove a car so wasn't much help on the trip for that but she was very chatty like I am so we had some good conversation.

Other than that, it was a pretty good trip and it worked out about as well as it could, she got to see a lot of Canada and I got laid for 4 nights straight and didn't go insane all by myself on such a boring drive.

Even those complaints aren't that bad (her dressing sexy all the time, being overly affectionate and relying on others too much). Honestly if I wanted to seriously date this chica, I could probably move her in to my place tomorrow and make her a house wife who cooks, cleans and watches telenovelas all day and never integrates into Canadian culture, she would definitely be down for having a kid or two although her main goal in life is to get her kid in Colombia over here in Canada and Scotian don't date no single mommas so it's on to the next one!

Actually there already was a next one last night, I took out another Colombian chica last night for a drink. Same profile; we met on Tinder, early 30s, kid back home, big fake tits and speaks zero English. She is a lot prettier than the Calena (she's from Bogota) but is just here on a tourist visa and studying English until December. Too bad I'm leaving tomorrow to work in the oil sands, she'll have to wait a couple of weeks for the Scotian D.

Also, I banged a Chilena while visiting family back east last week. She was a rebang from last year, again we met on Tinder.

Maybe I should write a data sheet about banging early 30s, single momma Latinas in Canada jajajajaja.

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That's great that your trip worked out like that! Man my favorite thing is getting jacked off and getting a blow job when I'm driving. I remember driving from Salt Lake City to Montana last year with my girl and I think my dick was out of my pants for the entire 8 hour drive. I love girls that dress way hot like that girl did for you Scotian, that's the beauty of non-Anglo girls, they'll get all dressed up to leave the house for something as simple as going to get milk at the store. I don't mind girls that take an hour to get all made up because it's usually worth the wait when they're done. Glad you got back safe.