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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?
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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Quote: (09-19-2018 04:02 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

I tried 50mg Zinc Picolinate and 2mg Copper (separarely) for many months. No idea if this is helping at all but I take it just for balance and to prevent deficiencies of either.

If I am having this salt every morning, is it worth taking a potassium supplement? I work on a ship where getting it from food can be challenging more often than not.

I think I found out why you're having fatigue though I am no doctor and take my advice with a pinch of salt. Please consult a professional doctor if you can.

Your working environment plays a major role and has changed your body reaction so the first thing is to listen to your body and makes some changes as you see fit. The advice for sleep in this thread is spot-on.

Reg. supplements, I gather that zinc and copper supplements are good for the body but they should not be taken together and only with a time gap. There is no optimal ratio of zinc to copper as absorption rates differ in individuals. The body needs copper to metabolise zinc so it will leach out copper from the body deposits to help in this. I don't know the brand you're taking or what it contains but your concentration seems to be not working for you.

You can take the salt in the morning but do be aware that your body may shift towards one mineral (sodium here) and cause other symptoms due to the absence of others (potassium, magnesium etc..) if you don't consume meals with those minerals. The key is always moderation with food and supplements and it is not easy to achieve in most cases including yours as well.

Of all the above mineral electrolytes, potassium is key and the one needed in large quantities because of the sodium-potassium pump. Your body uses ⅓ rd of your energy from food for this pump to function properly in the cells. The pump is needed to exchange and transport glucose, amino acids across all cells to get energy, body fluid retention and transport calcium and magnesium for absorption by the cells.

You have mentioned that you work on a ship so I have no idea of your diet and what you eat.

So I would recommend the following:
1) buy a bottle of Braggs ACV and take it first thing in the morning with this mix - 1-2 tsps of Braggs with 300ml pure water and a dash of lime juice, cayenne pepper, cardamom powder and ginger powder (¼ tbsp each). I do this every morning on an empty stomach and you will feel an energetic kick because of the pepper.

2) when you are off work in your rotation, increase your intake of vegetables or fish in the food so that you can get some additional minerals and vitamins from your diet and then use the supplements to augment the dosage.

The reason I put ACV above is that the acetic acid makes your body acidic by changing the body pH, which helps the sodium potassium pump to function correctly and flush out toxins. Also, adrenal pressure through work stress causes you to lose hydrogen ions and potassium, which makes your blood alkaline so ACV helps to regulate this.

Potassium supplements are good but the dosages are typically low and you need to augment with vegetables. For magnesium, take green vegetables, almonds, bananas, cashews etc.. while one can tomatoes, nuts, wholegrain, green vegetables for potassium.

Please remember that it takes quite some time for the body to react and change so you should start seeing good results if you continue for 2-3 weeks.

I realised that I have derailed this thread by going off in an another direction so apologies to that but it is important to understand the other factors that are causing these issues for you and fix them first as I believe that the adrenal issue is only causative from the main issues you're facing.

As indicated above, please consult a professional doctor to get the right advice. I am only giving from my view, which may or may not work for you.
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#27

Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

I burned out in 2016. I walked out of the best job I ever had into the worse job I ever had. I got fired from that then I got fired from the next one. I can no longer drink coffee without getting the jitters. It's weird because before that I could drink tonnes of the stuff.

I've tried all kinds of supplements but not convinced they're the solution. Ashwagandha seems to calm me down though. But I'd say 90% of it is what's going on in your subconcious.

A woman I used to work with thinks she has ME/fibromyalgia or one of those things. I'm more inclined to think too much partying made her burn out, and now she's in a health obsessed spiral downwards. It's crucial to not dwell on sicknesses.

Well anyway, 2016 was my wake up call. I wound down my IT career and now I'm a TEFL teacher. Instead of excruciatingly boring 40 hour weeks in a cubicle, I now work 16 hours a week 7 months a year.

You just got to do these two things:

1. When you get your warning, don't ignore it.
2. Don't base your life plan on your ability to work 40+ hours a week till you're 65 or beyond.
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#28

Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Get a four-point saliva hormone panel (inc. I think are cortisol, DHEA, testosterone, progesterone, estradiol--the first two are most important to indicate adrenal function) and see either a doctor or naturopath who understands adrenal fatigue. You can also get a 24 hour HGH test (24 hour urine collection) which can help indicate problems with the Hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis. Cut back on caffeine and see how you feel. Meditate.
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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Thank you guys for your insightful replies!

Time to make a solid plan.

Looks like this offshore lifestyle with this constant entering/exiting night shift and the disruption to the circadian rhythm is the killer diller here.

Obviously the only remedy for that is to quit. My long term goal is to make and run my own online location independent businesses working <40 hours a week without answering to any boss again. This will be the cure. But its a long time away yet.

In the meantime…

I take this himalayan salt every morning upon waking up and aside from small portions of very dark chocolate, am entirely caffeine free. Drinking once a week or fortnight.

So it sounds like I should take the 2mg copper (Swanson) earlier on in the day so it can be used by the magnesium (NOW Citrate 200mg) which I take later in the evening? I thought about buying a Potassium supplement also. Working offshore it is highly likely I may not be able to get enough.

I usually drink ACV with ginger and cinnamon pre-meals to reduce blood sugar spikes so I think adding this cayenne pepper and cardamon should be very doable.

I used to take ashwaghanda before bed for a long time, stopped because I ran out. Not sure if worth trying again along with siberian ginseng. I wonder if these ‘adaptagens’ are really good for your adrenals…

I will get this alive test as well as the HGH test just to make sure…

Thanks again guys. I want to bury this problem once and for all.
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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Quote: (09-25-2018 01:47 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

Get a four-point saliva hormone panel (inc. I think are cortisol, DHEA, testosterone, progesterone, estradiol--the first two are most important to indicate adrenal function) and see either a doctor or naturopath who understands adrenal fatigue. You can also get a 24 hour HGH test (24 hour urine collection) which can help indicate problems with the Hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis. Cut back on caffeine and see how you feel. Meditate.

THIS.

I went through all this, and the 4 point saliva test is the way to do it.

You need to test your cortisol at four different times throughout the day - upon waking, just before bed, etc etc.

What I found was that it's not a matter of it being 'too high' or 'too low', it's a matter of it being BOTH 'too low' (when it should be high, in the morning, to get you out of bed and fired up - and you'll feel lethargic instead) AND 'too high' (when it should be low, when you are winding down - making you feel irritable and hard to sleep) at different times of the day.
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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Quote: (08-21-2018 03:19 PM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

Another symptom : Anxiety which result on Premature ejaculation.

Heard that some supplement (avialble without prescription ) could help , like 5 HTP and Sam-e

someone had experience with those ?

I've tested 5-htp a bit. It definitely helps anxiety and makes you more open. Makes you more sleepy in the evening too.

Not sure about premature ejac but in hindsight, it probably did help prolong the vinegar strokes and gave more opportunity to ease off and extend sessions.

Long term (2-3 months) it made me stop giving a fuck too much at work (noticed myself speaking too openly without needing to) so now I only pop them occasionally when in a rut or vaguely anxious.

Quote: (09-25-2018 10:57 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

Anyone else into some nice big, fat chicks?

Quoted for lols.
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#32

Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

Try 900 mg of pantethine per day (1 pill morning, 1 pill evening).

https://www.vitacost.com/jarrow-formulas...pantethine

It's a form of B-5. I started taking a few years back because of it's positive effects on LDL and HDL cholesterol (based on an actual clinical study). I was a fat fuck mess at the time.

I was just starting to get myself back into shape. It wasn't going well. Even using an exercise bike was painful. I had no energy. After I started taking the supplement, my workouts improved dramatically.

The only side effects are it makes you feel hungry and you get yellow-green piss (body excreting the extra vitamins). Both disappear after a few days. When the urine color went back to normal is when my workouts improved. I assume my body adjusted and started to use the extra B-5 I was providing.
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Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

I have more to add in response to the latest posts (thanks for those by the way!)

https://bluehorizonmedicals.co.uk/4-x-co...a-bhm.html

Is this the cortisol adrenal fatigue test I am looking for? I am going to buy if it is. I know you are meant to get other parameters included like DHEA, progesterone, test and estradiol) but it doesn't seem to offer it.

Hell, this is the B complex I use - is it safe to say the B5 is the same one you mentioned?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07B...UTF8&psc=1
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#34

Adrenal fatigue - how to test and solve?

"Adrenal fatigue" is pseudocientific "alternative" bullshit. Ironically the kind of mumbo jumbo hairy hippy chicks fall for. One more example of how often opposite extremes meet.
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