[_DC_]

(01-26-2012 02:23 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 02:04 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Mushrooms are great but I think I like acid better because the come-up on shrooms can be really intense. I always feel weird and nauseous for the first hour or so after eating them and then everything's awesome. They can also be a real mindfuck compared to acid which is usually a more mellow trip. Music's better on acid too.

I agree with Giovanny, do them outdoors and with people you trust who will give you a supportive vibe. If you can't go into nature, go to a concert.

Not sure about snorkeling or scuba diving, I'd be scared shitless of something going wrong and drowning. I'm sure it would be the experience of a lifetime, though.

I ate mushrooms and went snorkeling around the reefs off the Carribean coast of Costa Rica at this beach called Cahuita.

It was an amazing experience, but it got a little freaky when I got far out there and a little current took me away, for a while I tried to swim against it, and felt my heart beating so hard I thought it would explode, and my lungs began to tighten.

I then chilled the fuck out and remembered what I had been taught about not fight against the current and letting it take me, eventually I got to a point where I could swim towards the shore and I made it back with no problem.

I would recommend it, as long as you are a very good swimmer, and are in an area with calm waters, plus people you know and trust to look after your ass.

Wow that sounds terrifying. I was on mescaline on a beach house and I was too scared to even go into the ocean. It was pitch dark though.

Watching the sunrise come over the ocean on mescaline with stick with me though... like a Thomas Kincade painting. Mescaline (from peyote) is very similar to shrooms.

[the chef]

acid and mushrooms have definitely played a significant part in how i view myself, how i view the world, how i write and talk about certain things.

DMT was by far a lot more intense and profound than shrooms and LSD though... powerful stuff.

and research chemicals are a waste. they're significantly cheaper but why take a synthetic drug to emulate bud, and shrooms when you can just do the real thing?

[Screwston]

the chef - can you give me more info on DMT? i'm pretty knowledgeable on drugs but have only heard of that one.

what does everyone think of doing shrooms alone?

[the chef]

^ yeah, there's various forms of DMT but the one i tried was called 5-meo DMT. it looked like a yellow/tannish version of coccaine or something of that nature which initially turned me off to it. it's meant to be smoked though.

it's actually an organic molecule that's common in nature. our brain creates it and releases it at night when we're asleep, and plays a role in dreaming. no one knows why this really happens, we just know that if we don't dream we'll go batshit insane.

it was probably the most profound drug/intoxicant experience i've ever had. you're literally transported into a new reality where everything is a fucking light show and you see trails of moving energy and shit. it lasts for about 10-15 minutes and once you start to realize you're coming back to reality you start to feel tripped out about what you just experienced.

it's a VERY powerful thing though, and i've seen kids go crazy of this shit cause they weren't ready for it. one of my friends took a hit of this shit and within a few minutes he was spazzing out and going ape shit. he was hysterically screaming "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO ME!!!!" and shit like that. it took 3 guys to hold him down because he was throwing and breaking everything in his reach. after we held him down he passed out for a large chunk of the day and when he woke up he didn't remember much.

if you have the opportunity to do it i say you should. it's a once in a lifetime experience.

[Kickb]

Shit, my best friend was talking about doing mushrooms last week. I think I'll hit him up.

Everyone I've talked to who has done shrooms says that the trip is really hard to put into words. One said that it was like the mushrooms unlocked a part of his brain that was inaccessible and it allowed him to see things in a completely different way.

[Screwston]

The chef - cool thanks. I've always heard of it but got curious after watching Enter the Void. It starts out with the main character smoking some and tripping hard. I actually found a documentary on Netflix called DMT: the Spirit Molecule. I'm to old to be messing with drugs, but I don't really consider psychedelics drugs.

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(01-31-2012 09:03 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Shit, my best friend was talking about doing mushrooms last week. I think I'll hit him up.

Everyone I've talked to who has done shrooms says that the trip is really hard to put into words. One said that it was like the mushrooms unlocked a part of his brain that was inaccessible and it allowed him to see things in a completely different way.

This is pretty out there, and I can't find a link. But there are some theories that cavemen actually started using tools on psychedelics. It "unlocked" a part of their brains.

[Screwston]

(01-31-2012 10:53 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

(01-31-2012 09:03 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Shit, my best friend was talking about doing mushrooms last week. I think I'll hit him up.

Everyone I've talked to who has done shrooms says that the trip is really hard to put into words. One said that it was like the mushrooms unlocked a part of his brain that was inaccessible and it allowed him to see things in a completely different way.

This is pretty out there, and I can't find a link. But there are some theories that cavemen actually started using tools on psychedelics. It "unlocked" a part of their brains.

Please find that. Very interesting shit right there...

[Screwston]

(01-31-2012 08:50 PM)the chef Wrote:  

^ yeah, there's various forms of DMT but the one i tried was called 5-meo DMT. it looked like a yellow/tannish version of coccaine or something of that nature which initially turned me off to it. it's meant to be smoked though.

it's actually an organic molecule that's common in nature. our brain creates it and releases it at night when we're asleep, and plays a role in dreaming. no one knows why this really happens, we just know that if we don't dream we'll go batshit insane.

it was probably the most profound drug/intoxicant experience i've ever had. you're literally transported into a new reality where everything is a fucking light show and you see trails of moving energy and shit. it lasts for about 10-15 minutes and once you start to realize you're coming back to reality you start to feel tripped out about what you just experienced.

it's a VERY powerful thing though, and i've seen kids go crazy of this shit cause they weren't ready for it. one of my friends took a hit of this shit and within a few minutes he was spazzing out and going ape shit. he was hysterically screaming "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO ME!!!!" and shit like that. it took 3 guys to hold him down because he was throwing and breaking everything in his reach. after we held him down he passed out for a large chunk of the day and when he woke up he didn't remember much.

if you have the opportunity to do it i say you should. it's a once in a lifetime experience.

i didn't know you could make or cook up DMT yourself. an associate did this and is telling me it's on a completely different level than acid or shrooms. i'm thinking if I should get some and seeing what doors I open.

[gringoed]

(02-27-2012 03:05 AM)houston Wrote:  

(01-31-2012 08:50 PM)the chef Wrote:  

^ yeah, there's various forms of DMT but the one i tried was called 5-meo DMT. it looked like a yellow/tannish version of coccaine or something of that nature which initially turned me off to it. it's meant to be smoked though.

it's actually an organic molecule that's common in nature. our brain creates it and releases it at night when we're asleep, and plays a role in dreaming. no one knows why this really happens, we just know that if we don't dream we'll go batshit insane.

it was probably the most profound drug/intoxicant experience i've ever had. you're literally transported into a new reality where everything is a fucking light show and you see trails of moving energy and shit. it lasts for about 10-15 minutes and once you start to realize you're coming back to reality you start to feel tripped out about what you just experienced.

it's a VERY powerful thing though, and i've seen kids go crazy of this shit cause they weren't ready for it. one of my friends took a hit of this shit and within a few minutes he was spazzing out and going ape shit. he was hysterically screaming "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO ME!!!!" and shit like that. it took 3 guys to hold him down because he was throwing and breaking everything in his reach. after we held him down he passed out for a large chunk of the day and when he woke up he didn't remember much.

if you have the opportunity to do it i say you should. it's a once in a lifetime experience.

i didn't know you could make or cook up DMT yourself. an associate did this and is telling me it's on a completely different level than acid or shrooms. i'm thinking if I should get some and seeing what doors I open.

Yes you can make your own DMT, pretty inexpensively. Use with extreme caution!

http://deoxy.org/smokedmt.htm

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[Rigo]

The one time I tried them they didn't do anything to me, never tried again.

I love tripping on LSD though but I agree that DMT is the shit and even better when taken with MAOIs, I had a life changing Ayahuasca trip last year.

[Agent_008]

Anybody know of anyone who's brain got fucked from shrooms? I've tried them a few times but I'm worried about the effects of long term use.

[xsplat]

A lot of people in meditation communities started meditating after doing hallucinogens.

I was into them in my late teens, along with meditation and philosophy. There were positive effects, and negative. I suspect it can increase creativity, even in the long term. Some negative effects were that I had some weird and unsubstantiated beliefs - as if I trusted some weird form of intuition. Years later I realized I didn't possess any weird form of intuition. Also from what I've seen in others and have experienced, some people experience some mild cognitive impairment from LSD. When doing LSD the walls would breathe, and for some years afterwards objects continued to refuse to stay still.

[OGNorCal707]

I know people who have had real bad trips from LSD and had been permanently effected by it, but I've never met anyone who had long term negative effects from mushrooms. I've tripped somewhere around 70 times, I feel like if anything they made me a smarter, deeper, wiser, and more enlightened person. I rarely ever do them now a days, only for very special occasions, but I can't imagine what I'd be like as a person without having eaten them.

My 2 cents.

[alecks]

im gonna try acid for the first time next week i think.never done any psychadelics before,not even shrooms.done x,coke,ketamine,weed etc but not hallucinogens.im trying a low dose.im gonna be on my own in my house.i want it to be a sort of spiritual trip.to go inside myself and answer some questions about myself,identity etc.

any tips?

[Ringo]

(01-02-2013 08:19 PM)alecks Wrote:  

im gonna try acid for the first time next week i think.never done any psychadelics before,not even shrooms.done x,coke,ketamine,weed etc but not hallucinogens.im trying a low dose.im gonna be on my own in my house.i want it to be a sort of spiritual trip.to go inside myself and answer some questions about myself,identity etc.

any tips?

(What variety are you taking?)

That does not seem like the optimal way to experience it for the first time, in my opinion.

Sure the trip gets very introspective at times and it's a great moment to have profound realizations about yourself, your place in the world, you get creative bursts, etc. However, since you haven't experienced it before (nor have you tried any other psychadelics), you can panic and fuck up. You already seem to have a good, optimistic mindset, which is very important when you are going on this kind of trip, but sometimes things change during it or some thoughts that were creeping in the shadows take over, so it can be bad. My advice is that you should probably do it with at least one other friend (preferably one who has experienced it before and/or who you deeply trust), so that one can keep an eye out for the other in case you get a stupid idea ("I want to race with my car right now"), enter a bad trip or get some sort of allergic reaction to the chemicals in the drug.

Also, why are chosing to take it indoors? LSD is great for visual and sensory stimulations and I'd personally say there's no greatest way to experience that than outdoors. If I were you, I'd reconsider and do it somewhere beautiful (beach, mountains, forest) where you can both be at peace, in touch with nature, or having fun with whoever is accompanying you.

By the way, since you want to have some inner moments and think about your life and existence, I'd also recommend that if you're doing it with a friend, choose one that is independent but who can also join in whatever. What I mean is, if you decide you want to be quiet and you're very introspective, he'll let you do it instead of trying to cut your trip because he wants to do something else, so choose wisely!

Don't forget to report back, I'm curious how this will turn out.

[xsplat]

(01-02-2013 08:09 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I know people who have had real bad trips from LSD and had been permanently effected by it...

Ya. I met a guy on Dead tour who was noticeably fucked up. Stumbling around, crashing into my jewelry vending table, giggling. A mad man, really. Someone had splashed a vial of LSD on him and since then he'd been in this new state for a few years. Heartbreaking.

I've heard of other guys who wound up living in a mental institution from a bad trip.

And I met a heavy tripper who was sane and functional, but was slightly to moderately impaired. And have met many people who claim mild cognitive impairment. And of course many others who noticed no impairment.

I took a pretty big dose once and had what most would call an extremely heavy trip, but what the doctors called a psychotic break. Earlier in the night, before the full effect had hit me, me and my buddy were watching TV when I turned to him and exclaimed "Wait - that's a black and white TV!". We stared at each other wide eyed, then looked back at the TV. "Oh yea!". We were both watching it in color.

Shortly after that I started scribbling on a pad of paper, and saw my doodles in deep 3-D. I thought they were brilliant works of art and that in the morning I'd be famous. Then I started to get some messianic complex. Then it got weird.

The doctors would check in on me in my guerney from time to time and ask me how I was doing. I didn't respond because I thought they were just another hallucination.

That was a wild night.

Had a case of the stupids the next day and was given a doctors note to skip out on my French exam for later that week. Saw two new colors that don't exist the next day, while in the hospital. Some new type of red and a new type of blue. I speculated that they were in the infrared and ultraviolet? They were superimposed on objects, but out of alignment with them.

I had the early part of the evening on tape, and when I replayed it I could hear the alternate personality that was spontaneously generated come out, and feel him. Strange.

The family doctor counseled me that I had a strong mind, and he'd seen it go the other way with some guys, from a similar dose. Some guys get the psychotic break, and don't return. That's what happened to an original Pink Floyd band member, from a spiked drink. Or was it some other band? I saw it on a rock documentary so I may be mixing up the crazy people histories. Oh ya, ummm, an original band member of ... Fleetwood Mac who sang "oh black momma, rambo lan, ooooh black moma, rambo lan"

[Screwston]

I think acid just sets certain things off in people who already have loose screws. Everyone I know who used it regularly trip has no problems now. It's mainly just hype to scare people.

[OGNorCal707]

LSD brings on the onset and symptoms of schizophrenia very quickly and succinctly for people who suffer from that illness. I know a few people personally who are effected by schizophrenia, all of them saw a rapid onset of the effects of the illness after ingesting LSD. These are people who would end up afflicted by the disease either way, I'm not suggesting that LSD was the cause, but it certainly brought it on very strongly and had a negative effect on them.

[OGNorCal707]

The quality of acid is also crucial, and now a days it's very difficult to get pure, clean acid. I know that bad acid can induce a very bad trip, and a bad acid trip can be a nightmare. I've heard first hand accounts of people's bad trips and it's nothing I would want to experience. I think mushrooms are a safer bet, of all the people I know who have done mushrooms (a lot) only one person had a bad trip. If you're going to do acid I would certainly vet the person you get it from, and make sure it's good stuff, if the guy has never tried it himself and can't vouch for it, don't take it.

[le prince perdu]

I read/heard somewhere that the reason people have bad trips is because they took too much.

Apparently the best way to prevent a bad trip would be to ingest a small dose and take it from there.

I haven't done any psychedelics yet, but I have been educating myself heavily about them lately.

Also it is not recommended to try DMT without the assistance of a seasoned DMT user ( Shaman, Doctor).
There is a reason why the shaman is the only one who gives people ayuasca.

LSD,DMT,IBOGAINE,MDMA
Those are life changing substances, IBOGAINE has been documented to cure drug addict.

If I was the ruler of a country and had an agenda, I would make sure people do not have access to any type of psychedelics because there are some serious mind opening shit.

To those not familiar with psychedelics, I would advise you to just take a couple of hours, go on youtube and watch documentaries about them

[Ringo]

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Saw two new colors that don't exist the next day, while in the hospital. Some new type of red and a new type of blue. I speculated that they were in the infrared and ultraviolet? They were superimposed on objects, but out of alignment with them.

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Shortly after that I started scribbling on a pad of paper, and saw my doodles in deep 3-D. I thought they were brilliant works of art and that in the morning I'd be famous. Then I started to get some messianic complex. Then it got weird.

Cracked me up. Awesome.

Question to you guys: how long does the acid you have ingested usually lasted for? What about shrooms?

[king]

When i have taken mushrooms or peyote, i always have felt like there is some deep revelation about the world, as if i have found the right way to live, and these are often thoughts like being a more kind person, more compassionate, etcetera, basically a bunch of hippie stuff. I have also felt once how we are related to every living thing in some way, obviously this is a kind of trivial thought, but the difference is that when you are tripping you also "feel" it and the visualizations can be pretty amazing too.

Unfortunately, this train of thought does not last long and as soon i enter the "real world" i see that there are mean,mediocre people and i can't maintain that mindset for any more than 1 week, is like if during the trip my brain was tricked with thoughts that may not be correct, but while i was tripping i was very sure that this was the right way to act and live. Does anybody have a similar experience?

[Screwston]

Yes King, that's how a lot of people feel when they trip. The world starts opening up and you see thing more clearly. You should try to write things down when you trip.