[Giovonny]

Ecstasy is the reason I read this forum. I did it once about 10 years ago. At a club in Vegas, My Game was strong at the time but after I popped an "E tab" my Game reached the "Matrix" level.

It wasn't confidence. It was waaaaaaay beyond confidence. It wasn't even belief in myself. It was waaaaaay more then that. It was like I was using 100% of my brain , when usually I only use 20%. I was an experience on drugs, i know. But you guys know what I'm saying.

Ever since that night, I made it my mission if life to get back to that "mindspace". I never did "E" again because I want to be able to do it "organically". I don't want to rely on the drugs. I started studying the power of the mind, etc. I started studying the pyschology of women. I started studying "NLP", and whatever I could get my hands on. If it made my mind and my confidence more powerful I wanted it.

I have come a long way with this. I have never quite gotten back to where I was that night in Vegas but I am getting closer and closer to just "being" a "supremely confident" man with "No Doubt" at all. That is one of main things that I have learned. I don't doubt myself at all. People can "feel" this. Women respond to it. All my jobs/success/money/relationships have come from this UNTOUCHABLE SELF BELIEF.

One day I was studying the Psychology of Women and I came across "The G Manifesto", which led to me discovering Roosh. And here I am.

This all stems from my experience on Ecstasy.

[Chad Daring]

(09-29-2011 03:30 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I have an addictive personality, so it's a wonder I've never gotten hooked on anything except alcohol. Probably for the best that I don't.

Still, I wonder how much long term damage E would do if you only used it a couple times a year... I have to admit I'm curious to see how it would affect me.

Same situation here. I've always been interested in recreational stuff, but never pursued it beyond weed because I'm afraid that the monsters in my genetics might come out in a hard way. Then again Im usually broke enough that I couldn't but that often anyways

Another question, in a general sense, where does one find a supplier?

[hydrogonian]

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It wasn't confidence. It was waaaaaaay beyond confidence. It wasn't even belief in myself. It was waaaaaay more then that. It was like I was using 100% of my brain , when usually I only use 20%. I was an experience on drugs, i know. But you guys know what I'm saying.

It was lack of fear caused by oxytocin release. Weird feeling, huh? We all carry around fear and don't know it. Even alphas who dont have social phobias. Its a part of being human and is what keeps us cautious in the face of danger. But, if feels awesome to let it go occasionally.

Oxytocin also is what is responsible for love, a lot of the satisfaction from sex, and other things. It also induces labor.

[Riker]

(09-29-2011 05:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Ecstasy is the reason I read this forum. I did it once about 10 years ago. At a club in Vegas, My Game was strong at the time but after I popped an "E tab" my Game reached the "Matrix" level.

It wasn't confidence. It was waaaaaaay beyond confidence. It wasn't even belief in myself. It was waaaaaay more then that. It was like I was using 100% of my brain , when usually I only use 20%. I was an experience on drugs, i know. But you guys know what I'm saying.

Holy shit this drug is going to give me the powers of the drug in this movie

Hell yes.

[Parlay44]

Any of you guy ever tried this?

Oxytocin nasal spray - Liquid Trust

I'm curious to see if it does anything.

[hydrogonian]

That won't do anything.

Keep in mind that oxytocin is a scheduled drug, but you can get is quasi-legally through other channels (research peptide companies). Do your research into the legality of anything that you do. Also, there is some anecdotal evidence on the web that homeopathic oxytocin works. However, results from homeopathy are contested often by many who only believe in allopathic pharmacy.

I gathered from anecdotal sources that you will feel the effects of inhaled oxytocin for about two minutes. Although, some say much longer. Some people are more sensitive to changes in their neurochemistry. It might be that they just don't realize that they are under the effect of the oxytocin even after any rush subsides.

Keep in mind that it is not an ecstacy substitute. You won't feel euphoria on oxytocin, but you will notice that your barriers with people will become greatly reduced while it is active in your system. You will be, in general, less fearful and suspicious of people. Its been proven that people are much more susceptible to scams and manipulation by others when on oxytocin. As the name of the product that you before mentioned implies, it makes you trust more.

Keep it away from pregnant women. It can cause them to go into premature labor if enough were to get into their system.

[PDX]

(09-29-2011 05:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Ecstasy is the reason I read this forum. I did it once about 10 years ago. At a club in Vegas, My Game was strong at the time but after I popped an "E tab" my Game reached the "Matrix" level.

Had a similar experience in LV, the only time I've dropped the E. Echo everything. Some major lightbulbs turned on.

The plane ride home the next day was absolute torture though, so I swore it off altogether.

A good experience to have once, though. (All previous disclaimers apply.)

[gringoed]

When you go to the rave, I recommend looking for and taking "Molly". It's supposed to be pure MDMA (the active ingredient in E), which means you know what you're getting and the hangover isn't nearly as bad, especially if you remember to drink a lot of water. I don't recommend drinking alcohol.

[bez]

(09-29-2011 01:10 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Hey guys, I think I want to try ecstasy at a rave, especially if I can do it with a girl I'm already banging.

Have any of you taken it? Did you have a good experience?

Can you drink alcohol with it?

How long before the end of the night should I take it? Like if I plan to leave the party at 6AM should I take it at 1,2 or 3AM?

I know I need to get it from a trusted source so it won't kill me. I've never done anything other than weed so kind of excited to try this. I don't have an addicting personality so should be fine on that front.

Do feel the same afterwards or do you feel like your brain has taken permanent damage or rewiring? I don't want to like not be able to remember things or be slow afterwards... I just want to do it a few times if I like it now that I'm young.

dude,you are going to have the time of your life....just remember the first one is the best,it will never be as magical and special as the first time you do it.like everyone said just make sure your with friends you trust and dont be afraid to tell them its your first time,especially the girl.she/they will think its cute and look after you.
dont be afraid to let yourself go either,get totally lost in the music and dance your ass off(that wont be hard if your not much of a dancer)
if its a massive outdoor rave stick close to your crew and organise a visible uncrowded meeting spot if you or one of your crew gets lost and eat it 45 minutes or so before whatever dj/group is your fave on the lineup.
if its a club environment maybe dont eat it before you get there,ive seen so many people get turned away from clubs at the door cos they are too fucked up already.
whatever happens make sure you go home with the girl for cuddles ha ha.....coming down off e isnt that bad at all if your comfortable and being with a girl to get close to just makes it that much more pleasant.
and for gods sake keep your shirt on,noone wants to have a sweaty half naked dude rubbing up against them on the d-floor.everyone is hot and sweaty.KEEP THE SHIRT ON.
have an awesome time and please let us know how it went......

[Kona]

Riker,

Did you eat any pills or what this weekend?

Let us know how you handled brah. I'm interested.

Aloha!

[sylo]

Do it. It is a lot of fun.

Very bad for you but Im sure you know all sht people say.

Also do it with a girl your banging and pound like no other on it.

[Riker]

No not yet, party is suppose to be this weekend but the thing with the girl kind of fizzled out.

When I do it I'll post it!

Any other first timers feel free to post your experiences.

[alecks]

actually the high is better with alcohol because mdma dissolves better in a solvent.1 or 2 drinks at best.

its a brilliant drug and its toxicity and danger has well been blown out of proportion. seretonin depletion occurs after doing e but it goes back up to normal levels after about 6/7 days.

ive tried it lots of times,its wonderful.take your vitamins after and a good electrolyte drink before and after.

makes your dick turn into a grape though so if your considering a lay,dont.otherwise enjoy

[hydrogonian]

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its toxicity .... has well been blown out of proportion.

Go ahead and back this up with studies.

Because the studies exist in spades for the opposite position.

I'll take you on your word, but go ahead and list the studies.

I'll start you off with a couple of research resources:

http://scirus.com/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/


In the early 2000's, it was a general rule that alcohol diminished the effects.
But, each person is different.

Also, E action is way more complex then just serotonin. That's an oversimplification that misleads people to their detriment. That's because it results in users thinking that they will pre-load with 5htp or something and prevent all damage / toxicity / comedown. Not so. Receptor function doesn't work like that (preloading downregulates them further - although certain types of preoloading may be neuroprotective, generally not 5htp though) and Dopamine, oxytocin, norepinephrine and serotonin receptors are all involved and in ways people who use E, and scientists, don't fully understand.

[Screwston]

Just thinking about rolling makes me feel sick. I threw up the last time I popped one and was sitting in the restroom for about 20 minutes. I'm pretty sure it was heroin based (can they be? I've heard this but not positivie) because I was just laying on the bed stuck on stupid while a girl was massaging my head. I could barely even talk, much less move.

[thegmanifesto]

(10-05-2011 03:24 PM)houston Wrote:  

Just thinking about rolling makes me feel sick. I threw up the last time I popped one and was sitting in the restroom for about 20 minutes. I'm pretty sure it was heroin based (can they be? I've heard this but not positivie) because I was just laying on the bed stuck on stupid while a girl was massaging my head. I could barely even talk, much less move.

"sure it was heroin based (can they be? I've heard this but not positivie)"

Abso-f*cking-lutely they can be. I mentioned that earlier in the thread.

I don't follow the "bean rhythms" of the street anymore, but they were cut heavy with speed back in the day.

Not fun.

[Caligula]

(10-05-2011 03:50 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 03:24 PM)houston Wrote:  

Just thinking about rolling makes me feel sick. I threw up the last time I popped one and was sitting in the restroom for about 20 minutes. I'm pretty sure it was heroin based (can they be? I've heard this but not positivie) because I was just laying on the bed stuck on stupid while a girl was massaging my head. I could barely even talk, much less move.

"sure it was heroin based (can they be? I've heard this but not positivie)"

Abso-f*cking-lutely they can be. I mentioned that earlier in the thread.

I don't follow the "bean rhythms" of the street anymore, but they were cut heavy with speed back in the day.

Not fun.

This site gives breakdowns of the contents of various e-pills, will give you an idea of what they're being cut with these days.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/

[hnsight_roo]

Hm. Ok so there is some decent advice here, most of it kind of amateur, though. And some of it just incorrect.

Here's the deal:

Powder (pure MDMA) is a MUCH better option if you can confirm that it hasn't been stepped on (mixed with other stuff). The pills are always cut, often with speed. Not nearly as good.

Definitely don't want to have a full stomach. And definitely drink lots of water.

The key to a good experience is your surroundings. I personally will only do molly (powder form) in a private setting, with a girl or three. It's way WAY more fun to do in a sexual setting than out at a club. I've done more than plenty in all kinds of scenarios, and anything besides you and some girls, just not worth the trouble.

Snorting it is NO problem. It doesn't feel good and you want to get it chopped up finely, but it'll kick in faster. It lasts just as long (previous posts her are incorrect on that account), as it does the same thing - releasing oxytocin your brain is storing for slow / long term release, all at once.

Doing half, also not good advice. The effects are euphoric. There is no bad trip. If anything, you want to do more rather than less. Since the substance basically just acts as a means to release the chemicals already stored in your brain, it's not a high risk (I did a gram and a half in a night once, and three or four pills - kind of just goes to waste after a certain point).

Long as you have water, some girls, nudity, I'd go all in and just do a bunch. One pill is nothing, half a pill isn't even worth the trouble. Don't go nuts like me, but eating a pill isn't going to kill you.

The hangover can be an issue. Eat a few pills of 5HTP (available at health food store) the morning after, and realize you might be feeling a little depressed as long as a week after (if you went all out).

Also, for that extra kick, doing whippets while you're rolling, is AMAZING. I wouldn't recommend it while sober, but with E it's quite the bonus.

Once you're all out six hours later, might as well switch to some acid to get introspective on your experience.

I'm not much of a drug fiend, but there's a place for all that stuff. Also, E isn't addictive in itself. If you do it a lot you just won't feel the effects as much, and if you're not the fuck-up type, your brain will tell you to leave it alone.

If you ARE a fuckup, don't do drugs.

- Jake

[thegmanifesto]

"Ok so there is some decent advice here, most of it kind of amateur, though."

Settle down Bean Master. Bring some value to the table before you start with the subtle insults.

If you really were the "pro" liked you claimed (and by the way you write about it, it is easy to tell you aren't), you would know that the advice I gave was about safety.

[MikeCF]

Most of the "It will burn holes in your brain" studies were fraudulent, and involved meth-laced "E."

Few studies on pure MDMA exist.

If you're afraid of neurotoxicity, take a stack of alpha lipoic acid and n-a-c.

A study in rats showed that the equivalent of a few grams of ALA negated all neurotoxcity.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdm...cle3.shtml

(Fuck you if all you can do is attack the site. There REFERENCES. Read them.)

As with steroids, lots of guys pop off without knowing shit.

And you call yourself "red pill swallowing alpha males"?

[MikeCF]

Pure MDMA is almost impossible to get, that's why I don't roll E.

If I could get pure MDMA, I'd have enough cash money to retire in a year.

There are test kits, and you can sometimes find good stuff.

Not worth the risk.

[MikeCF]

(10-05-2011 01:32 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

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its toxicity .... has well been blown out of proportion.

Go ahead and back this up with studies.

Because the studies exist in spades for the opposite position.

I'll take you on your word, but go ahead and list the studies.

I'll start you off with a couple of research resources:

http://scirus.com/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/


In the early 2000's, it was a general rule that alcohol diminished the effects.
But, each person is different.

Also, E action is way more complex then just serotonin. That's an oversimplification that misleads people to their detriment. That's because it results in users thinking that they will pre-load with 5htp or something and prevent all damage / toxicity / comedown. Not so. Receptor function doesn't work like that (preloading downregulates them further - although certain types of preoloading may be neuroprotective, generally not 5htp though) and Dopamine, oxytocin, norepinephrine and serotonin receptors are all involved and in ways people who use E, and scientists, don't fully understand.

You are a MYTH SPREADER:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/f...CMP=twt_fd

[Brian]

dont do more then 1 your first time. thats moronic. thats like telling a 17 year old who has never tried alcohol before to just drink the whole vodka bottle

[Docter]

I have a good buddy doing a hardcore chemistry forensically science degree in college right now (his actual program escapes me now) who did ecstasy for a while when he was getting into the raver/electronica scene.

He stopped though. He explained to me, in a detailed conversation, that if ecstasy is cooked like 3 minutes too long it transforms for the chemicals into some fatal shit. I can't vouch for the validity of this, but I took his word and have yet to try it.

To my knowledge, this rarely, if ever, happens. Honestly, this sort of risk applies with most drugs -- just be aware.

Personally, I'm not taking any chance. I'm not into synthetic drugs.

Edit: the detailed conversation escapes me as well. The point stuck.

[Screwston]

This is a good documentary. Do it in moderation and you'll be good