[a beer is enough]

Atlanta is probably more unique, to say the least, than any other city I've been to and stayed in. The whole city is a cultural and game puzzle in itself. Game in the city has not been as straightforward as I have noticed in other cities I've been to.

In non-game terms, I have found it brought together the morally self-righteous attitude from the right wing due to it being the south and people being religious yet mix it in with the politically correct mindset you find in the left with feminists and progressive. The whole thing is its own mix of a unique culture I've not really experienced in any other city I've stayed in. This unique mix does lead to a lot of girls being more prudish than elsewhere and even the guys I knew from the city took time to kind of get accustomed to how sexually liberal other cities were.

Then you do have an image-heavy culture that I think more than rivals the one you have in LA but it is different. In Atlanta from what I have heard and to some degree experienced, it was tight knit groups dating back to the high school and college days where the status was formed.

Then there is game itself in the city....

On one hand, in no other major city have I seen so many hideous looking guys with hot girls. On the other hand, I have had a few guys on this forum PM me about how tough the city is as well as friends from there tell me they had way more success in other cities and even struggle to get hot girls in the A Town whenever they go back, most of these friends are targeting white girls btw. I've had some success with online dating (less than I have had in any other city though) in the city but agree with Aquarius about daygame and nightgame being very cliquey, at least in the Buckhead area which seems to have the hottest girls.

I know a user commented saying most guys don't really game here but I think that is because most guys who are local kind of get how the game works in the city that us outsiders might not understand.

What I can say is that for better or worse, the city is pretty damn unique whether or not game is concerned.

[GoingHAM20]

“I know a user commented that not guys don’t game here.”

To be fair, you could say that about any city in America. I’ve lived in several cities in the US and I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve seen a man do a cold approach (excluding my wings or me). We’re living in the beta cuck generation, mah man. I’d venture to say less than 1% of men in the states ever cold approaches women. This ain’t your dad’s generation of action taking.

[Brosemite]

(10-17-2018 04:02 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

ZFG. I'll mess with Texas.

Having been to Atlanta many times for work, exploring the city, and gaming out there, I'd say that it was a very enjoyable city for me.

I'd say it's completely different from Dallas though & the last thing I want to do is turn this into a "Dallas is better for gaming" type thread.

With that being said, I think there are some advantages Dallas offers for male transplants moving into the city (for the sake of game):

1) Pretense - I know many people from Atlanta that HATE Dallas due to the pretense of the city; as ridiculous as this sounds, the "upscale" image that certain neighborhoods have in Dallas give newbie gamers a barometer of how they SHOULD calibrate their social skills in gaming conditions. The city's overall atmosphere is almost like a "conform or get the fuck out" but almost in the guiding light sense too.

I'd say Atlanta is definitely a more laidback city as you have many different groups happily doing their own thing:
A) Yuppie professional transplants moving into the city
B) Hipster scene
C) Gay scene
D) Post SEC Greek Life scene
E) Nerdy Georgia Tech guys
F) Girls from smaller southern towns that move here for economic reasons (work, etc)
G) Suburbanites, etc

The big issue with all those groups is that nothing really seems to be cohesive with one another. If you're part of one group, it's hard to really affiliate & make friends with people in any of those other groups.

^ You have those similar groups in Dallas too though everything seems more cohesive.

It sounds really dumb but what makes Dallas cohesive as a city would actually be the overwhelming "pretense." Many PHD, graduate, medical, nursing, or law students move here & are hit with the overwhelming "pretentious identity" of the city & can actually learn to up their social skills & eventually fit in with other groups as a result.

I've met MANY nerdy McNerd UT Southwestern or Baylor/Texas A&M Dental students really learn how to improve their social skills & "get corrupted by the identity" of Dallas. Some of the effects can be considered negative of course though having the wide diverse range of professionals in Dallas get acclimated & actually develop some sort of success in making friends & dating is helpful for individuals moving here.

For some, dealing with the "pretense" in Dallas is almost like baptism by fire for people moving into the city; good news is it helps individuals form like diamonds under pressure & eventually feel "more involved" with what is happening in the local scene.

^On the other hand, I don't see that at all from Georgia Tech post grads in Atlanta because they don't have anything to conform to.

2) Wide Acceptance of Professional Sports Teams - Dallas much like Atlanta is very big on college sports. You have many SEC Alum crazed about their alma mater in ATL whereas it's the Big 12 in Dallas to a lesser extent.

What brings professionals from all different backgrounds together in Dallas would be the actual popularity of professional sports teams whether it's the Cowboys, Rangers, Stars, or Mavericks. People actually go to these sporting events to mingle with others as corporations/educational institutions constantly sponsor or give free tickets away.

The fact that most locals are passionate about their alma mater regarding college football & don't really give a shit about professional sports in Atlanta is quite strange & a huge missed opportunity for millennial transplants/locals to interact with one another.

In conclusion, this is far from a "Dallas is better than Atlanta" post as there are any things I don't like about my city.

This is also far from a "pretense by default" being a good thing post too; what I will say about Dallas in how it differs from LA is that people in my city are not obsessed about "just mingling & moving up the entertainment scene ladder."

In a strange sense, this pretentious image in Dallas almost creates a sense of "cohesion" & " opportunity to feel inclusion" for locals & transplants which Atlanta lacks.

[Hypno]

Brosemite, Atlanta is a lot like Dallas on the two characteristics you mentioned.

The GT folks are always going to be nerds and the school is relatively small, but the other folks who come here have huge pressure to drive a nice car, live in a nice neighborhood, etc.

As for sports, the pro teams are big melting pots. There is a huge club at the falcons game, and the Hawks have a Tinder night. Those skew towards african american, although the crowd at Falcons games used to be 50/50 until they sold seat licenses for the new stadium. Braves is mostly white, lots of girls, especially at the bars out in right field but also just walking around the stadium concourse. And the soccer team skews young and hipster. people thought it would be all of the mexicans, but they prefer Liga MX. Instead, its the manbun, tatoors, SJW, and a whole lot more. Atlanta is very diverse so its hard to nail it down.

The biggest frustration people have is that this diversity works against them. There are venues where one race expects to meet other races, and there are venues where people enjoy the overlap. A falcons game is an overlap place. Tounge & Groove club is an overlap place. Most places in buckhead and Sandy Springs are white. Most places south of downtown are black. Most places in Duluth/Gwinnett are Asian. If I went up to Duluth and tried to pull an Asian it would not be effective but at certain places intown I'd be very effective. All of this sounds very negative racially but its actually very positive. There are a lot of different subgroups in the city and people mostly prefer their own, except in certain instances where they seek out the diversity. You have to be smart about where you game certain types.

The other thing people have only hinted as is its smack dab in the Bible belt. Now the Bible thumpers and church goers have become a minority, but this a city with mega churches, both black and white. Its also probably the capitol of contemporary Christian music.

Also, there is a lot of old money in Atlanta. Gaming wealthy girls, who tend to be the white sorority type, is different from gaming other girls. It can seem cliquish, and it is to an extent. You can break into that if you have other things going for you. I'm sure Dallas and Houston are similar.

So I would say Atlanta is more like Houston than Dallas racially, although 20 years ago it was more like Dallas racially. But Atlanta is lush with trees and rivers and mountains. Its not the concrete jungle that Houston is.

I have lived or spent time in all 3 cities. I like them all. Dallas is probably slightly better if you only want white women.

[Brosemite]

^ I think your observations are dead on point as I do see eye to eye on that.

My mom works in a industry where I have access to well-connected locals in Atlanta it's something that helps whenever I visit Atlanta. I speak different languages, have traveled a bit, was involved in Greek life, love sports (especially college football) so can relate to the varying demographics in Atlanta.

Where we differ would be conclusions.

What I'm trying to say is that the equivalent of a Ga Tech nerd in Dallas is going to have easier access to:
1) different tiers of women (locals or transplants)
2) movers & shakers of the city
3) better opportunities in terms of sharpening their overall social & communication skills while living in the city as a young professional

No place is perfect as you're going to have closed off cliques, etc anywhere...even in an NYC or Miami.

What also makes Dallas more advantageous is that you have every category of socialites bouncing in/out of every bubble at a much higher rates of frequency.

For example:
A) Yuppies will frequent hipster areas
B) Hipsters will frequent yuppie places
C) Very attractive straight women will go to gay bars to dance
D) Dudes who stick to their own Asian bubbles can totally fit in at yuppie venues & meet different people with greater ease
E) It's cool for non-Asians to brunch at dim sum places or visit Korea Town occasionally.
F) Blacks & Hispanics have fun taking their families out to Dallas Stars hockey games

There's a lot of cool stuff going on in Atlanta for those that search for those things but Dallas as a city in my humble opinion runs more cohesively.

[Cattle Rustler]

I'd say Dallas and Atlanta are more alike....while Houston everyone is doing Kumbaya living together bullshit.

Dallas and ATL are cities filled with fake cliques where the goal is to see and be seen, pretentiousness is what joins Dallas together. ATL is just a backwater town that's Dallas but 20 years behind.

[Hypno]

You guys would probably like Atlanta. Whenever the Cowboys are in town, half the stadium is Cowboys fans.

Are there many people who relocate from Atlanta to Dallas?

[kavakid]

(10-19-2018 11:34 PM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 04:02 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

ZFG. I'll mess with Texas.

Having been to Atlanta many times for work, exploring the city, and gaming out there, I'd say that it was a very enjoyable city for me.

I'd say it's completely different from Dallas though & the last thing I want to do is turn this into a "Dallas is better for gaming" type thread.

With that being said, I think there are some advantages Dallas offers for male transplants moving into the city (for the sake of game):

1) Pretense - I know many people from Atlanta that HATE Dallas due to the pretense of the city; as ridiculous as this sounds, the "upscale" image that certain neighborhoods have in Dallas give newbie gamers a barometer of how they SHOULD calibrate their social skills in gaming conditions. The city's overall atmosphere is almost like a "conform or get the fuck out" but almost in the guiding light sense too.

I'd say Atlanta is definitely a more laidback city as you have many different groups happily doing their own thing:
A) Yuppie professional transplants moving into the city
B) Hipster scene
C) Gay scene
D) Post SEC Greek Life scene
E) Nerdy Georgia Tech guys
F) Girls from smaller southern towns that move here for economic reasons (work, etc)
G) Suburbanites, etc

The big issue with all those groups is that nothing really seems to be cohesive with one another. If you're part of one group, it's hard to really affiliate & make friends with people in any of those other groups.

^ You have those similar groups in Dallas too though everything seems more cohesive.

It sounds really dumb but what makes Dallas cohesive as a city would actually be the overwhelming "pretense." Many PHD, graduate, medical, nursing, or law students move here & are hit with the overwhelming "pretentious identity" of the city & can actually learn to up their social skills & eventually fit in with other groups as a result.

I've met MANY nerdy McNerd UT Southwestern or Baylor/Texas A&M Dental students really learn how to improve their social skills & "get corrupted by the identity" of Dallas. Some of the effects can be considered negative of course though having the wide diverse range of professionals in Dallas get acclimated & actually develop some sort of success in making friends & dating is helpful for individuals moving here.

For some, dealing with the "pretense" in Dallas is almost like baptism by fire for people moving into the city; good news is it helps individuals form like diamonds under pressure & eventually feel "more involved" with what is happening in the local scene.

^On the other hand, I don't see that at all from Georgia Tech post grads in Atlanta because they don't have anything to conform to.

2) Wide Acceptance of Professional Sports Teams - Dallas much like Atlanta is very big on college sports. You have many SEC Alum crazed about their alma mater in ATL whereas it's the Big 12 in Dallas to a lesser extent.

What brings professionals from all different backgrounds together in Dallas would be the actual popularity of professional sports teams whether it's the Cowboys, Rangers, Stars, or Mavericks. People actually go to these sporting events to mingle with others as corporations/educational institutions constantly sponsor or give free tickets away.

The fact that most locals are passionate about their alma mater regarding college football & don't really give a shit about professional sports in Atlanta is quite strange & a huge missed opportunity for millennial transplants/locals to interact with one another.

In conclusion, this is far from a "Dallas is better than Atlanta" post as there are any things I don't like about my city.

This is also far from a "pretense by default" being a good thing post too; what I will say about Dallas in how it differs from LA is that people in my city are not obsessed about "just mingling & moving up the entertainment scene ladder."

In a strange sense, this pretentious image in Dallas almost creates a sense of "cohesion" & " opportunity to feel inclusion" for locals & transplants which Atlanta lacks.

I would agree that Atlanta lacks much of an "identity". The closest thing in Atlanta would be the African American identity (rap, Tyler Perry, Outkast, Strong black government, etc). You also have Georgia Bulldogs football, Coca Cola, and of course all the corporate interests, the southern confederacy (not that I'm a fan), etc.. But yeah, there's nothing like the Dallas/ Texas upscale rancher cowboy thing that pervades. I mean, Austin has a whole store that's just $2,000 cowboy boots.

It may be fair to say that the groups in Atlanta arean't cohesive. There definitely is some cliqiness. Yet, at the same time, it's rare to go to a venue and not see all races (unless it's certain areas out in the suburbs). Buckhead, for example, tends to be a mix of races (although white is the biggest factor). Hippies/hipsters definitely are mostly found in just certain areas though (little five points, east atlanta, decatur, old fourth ward).

My biggest complaint with Atlanta, other than it not being a particularly easy place to get laid (although not terribly hard), is that it's not nearly as hippy as it used to be. There used to be a lot of REAL hippies, punks, etc who actually lived that lifestyle. My parents used to have a family living in our yard who rode a horse and buggy! Now, the hippies have become hipsters, the punks have good jobs, and rap (ie Outkast, etc) has become the pinnacle of culture (I'm ok with that). On the plus side, I can get local organic veggies delivered to my doorstep. So hippy culture has been integrated into society to some extent, but the homogenization of Atlanta into a yuppie gentrified paradise has started (although is by no means complete, just look at the south side).

[a beer is enough]

What I do love about Dallas compared to Atlanta is that the social scene is much more transparent, distinct and forward.

If I game a post-grad sorority girl type in Dallas, I know what I am most likely going to get. I know I can talk about my support for Trump and dislike towards liberal politics and it will be okay. On the flip side if I decide to game a hipster girl or some girl from a more liberal crowd, I know to tread carefully with not just her but even her friends. You don't really get that in Atlanta which goes back to what a forum member told me about, the Hillary Clinton loving sorority girl being very much an Atlanta thing.

I remember a while back hearing from someone who went to school in Athens (mostly Atlanta area kids) about how he made a joke about feminism at a party where the crowd was mostly Greek Life, it ended up in a chubby girl shouting at him and people at the party siding with her. He told me about how he was shocked at how liberal the place is, even the kids at an SEC school, and just how much you had to tread carefully if you held conservative beliefs. At most other SEC schools, he would have likely not been in that kind of a situation.

People make a comment about the different scenes in Atlanta and while in Dallas people might jump between different scenes, I feel like in Atlanta the Hipster, post grad frat and yuppies scene is really all the same. You will get the ex-sorority girl type keeping their foot in each scene to earn more followers and admirers while in other cities people are loyal to a given clique while occasionally interacting with others. I was surprised to find that the two hipster girls I game in Atlanta were also sorority girls back in college that just happened to feel like blending with the hipster crowd to get more likes on Instagram.

It once again talks to the high priority that locals and people from the city put on image to where no one is really hanging out with a clique they truly belong to but just jumping from clique to clique to gather more followers and admirers.

I think that is what makes the city such a tough puzzle for most guys to solve because you don't know which crowd is which while in other cities the lines are more clearly drawn.

What I really think it is is the city having an inferiority complex (as Aquarius mentioned earlier) towards an NYC, Chicago or LA it is trying to compensate for. I have seen it with so many people from the city, especially the women.

Its like Atlanta area girls are desperately trying to imitate what girls from major cities do and like but they don't quite pull it off right.

Every time I have went or met most people from the city, I have noticed that the snobbishness and condescending attitude has almost always been there. The people from there don't seem to engage with you too much on a conversational level unless you can get them things. I haven't even noticed this as much with cities in the north or coastal areas where at least you will run into interesting people to chat with.

I really think that Atlanta, given the recent success it has had, is desperately trying to win an image game against the NYCs, London and Chicagos of the world. There seems to be this hyper-competitive image game a lot of people from there are trying to play and it stems from that inferiority complex. I think that itself kind of explains the attitudes you see a lot of in the city.

Still, it does have a lot going for it and will probably get more prominent overtime so I'll probably be visiting it on and off, who knows, maybe things change for the better years from now.

[Rang off the Pipe]

Those ex-sorority girls you described sound more like scenesters than hipsters. If you've been to Williamsburg, LES, or some other areas in NYC, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Those kinds of girls are not just in Atlanta, though.

[Hypno]

Atlanta doesn't have an inferiority complex. Most people who live here moved here from smaller places and are thrilled to have access to the variety of things in Atlanta.if you move here from Jacksonville Florida for example you are amazed at the abundance. If you're one of the few people who move here from London or New York City, yes, it's not on the same level.

Atlanta 25 years ago might have had a bit of an inferiority complex. That's why they work so hard to get the Olympics.

[kavakid]

I don't know about Dallas, but in Atlanta the gay and lesbian scene is fairly strong too (mostly intown/downtown rather than suburbs). I'd say Atlanta is most know for being a strong Black city, LGBTQ, and southern redneck in the big city. I went to the Pride festival and they know how to party!

Definitely, certain places intown and espeically the suburbs like Roswell, Tucker, Kennesaw, etc have a certain country element. And everywhere you will find BBQ, good beer, etc.. People intown are much more likely to listen to hip hop while sipping their beer than country music. Buckhead is mostly white folks, yet the music is mostly EDM/hip hop/ pop music.

There's a strong blend of cultures in Atlanta. But, yes, I wouldn't say that this blend translates into girls being particularly independent of their cliques (as a rule). I'm not super young anymore, and I definitely find that the Atlanta scene is generally a little amateur for me as a general rule. It seems like everyone out partying is either in their 20s or old redneck hippies (which I love don't get me wrong but not trying to have sex with). To me, paradise would be a place where I can meet women of all ages who don't go out with a ton of friends trying to cock block. I feel like that paradise started disappearing in the 80s and 90s as the free love movement wound down.

Having said that, there are still tons of places in Atlanta if you know where to look. Edgewood area is a great melting pot, much more of a racial mix than the buckhead scene, and less greek lifey. Loca Luna is a latin club if you're into salsa dancing, with a great racial mix when I've been there (and cute girls).

All in all, I don't think I've met a guy that's complained that he can't get laid in Atlanta. If I ever heard any complaints, it was from people that put nearly zero effort into it. Especially with online game nowadays... I've dated a lot of women in their 20s and 30s that way (although it took a lot of work).

[kavakid]

This is why I'm most likely to move away from Atlanta again.

Here's what the average person in Atlanta thinks when they meet someone new:
- is this person cool?
- how will they make me look?
- will they lower or raise my social status?
- am I attracted to them?
- do they have money?

The average person I meet in the west (Northern California, Colorado, Oregon, etc) think:
- what can I learn from this person?
- what can I teach this person?
- how can I help this person achieve their goals?
- how can I help this person to realize their full potential?

For these reasons, I rarely feel that Atlanta is trying to help me, or pushing me in a good direction without my effort. On the other hand, in the west coast, there are so many opportunities and cool people that open doors everywhere I go. I can literally just walk into a bar, talk to the first person I meet and they might tell me about some cool people or event, and just things snowball. Before long I have a lot of contacts and leads on different adventures, projects, places to travel to, stay, etc.

A lot of people in Atlanta feel like drones on autopilot, and it can be hard to put myself in a different frame of mind. I can't remember the last time a stranger in a bar even tried to have a really interesting or fruitful conversation with me. In many ways I can say the same thing about my social circle (I've lived here almost 30 years). Even the people I know often don't talk about anything useful or really try to help each other as much as they could. I don't believe in my potential in Atlanta. I think that it's just the difference between a place where human creativity is the most prized thing , and where money, image, and conformity are more prized. Having said that, if your goal is to save money, climb the corporate ladder, or become a hip hop musician, Atlanta is a good choice. And anything you want can be found here if you put in the effort. However, the south/ east coast generally has a pretty traditional pro conformity culture that is a little depressing in the long run. I'm not the only person I know who feels stuck. Most of the people in their 20s or 30s living in Atlanta acknowledge that Atlanta isn't really their ideal place, but that it's so comfortable that they have trouble leaving. Like an old comfortable couch that you know you need to get up from, but end up just lying in.

I realized a few years ago that the most important thing in life is to realize that it's critical what you surround yourself with. Find work that encourages you to learn and grow. Find people that help you to grow and expand. Having said that, Atlanta as a city seems to be full of the wrong type of social circles. A Matrix of people who don't really want to improve each other. I'm not saying they are bad people. They say that you are the sum of the 5 closest friends you have. I'm not sure I would want Atlanta to be one of those friends.

At the same time, if I had to live in Atlanta for the rest of my life I would be ok with that. I would just work my butt off until I had a really nice place to live and an even better social cirlce, ha ha. I would focus even more on making money too.

[Aquarius]

I'm pretty familiar with Tucker, and there's little to no country music element there at all. In fact, yuppies, or young people in their 20s as a whole, are quite uncommon there.

At least within the perimeter, there's almost no country element, unless you count classic country, but this is a different scene and overlaps with the hipsters at least among millennials. Some of the SEC girls in the Buckhead crowd do overlap with the top tier of the country scene.

And the sorority girls Beer is talking about are certainly not the stereotypical SEC sorority girls. They are likely GSU or perhaps Georgia Tech ones. Keep in mind that GSU white girls are extremely hipster, and so its sororities. Half of Georgia Tech sorority girls aren't typical sorority girls either. And these 2 demographics combined form a quite big group of "sorority girls" especially intown, who are just hipsters (GSU) or hardcore careerists (Georgia Tech) that have somehow worn Greek Letters during college.

Heard some great things about Edgewood for the "alternative" crowd, but this really isn't my scene. We can add Little Five Points and East Atlanta Village to this. This crowd largely lives in Grant Park, Old Fourth Ward, and other single family house neighborhoods near the Eastside Beltline; the new condos adjacent to the Beltline are largely yuppies, but you'll find lots of younger hipsters in them too.

Decatur is probably the main hub for what kavakid is talking about. Its a good mix of young hipsters and older hippies. Its a nice neighborhood for daygame, nightgame, and just living in general if you are more alternative. In fact, while Decatur is the center, this scene dominates in most of North DeKalb, minus Brookhaven (Buckhead extension) and Dunwoody (Sandy Springs extension). Chamblee is starting to become an extension of Brookhaven though. The wealthier ones congregate around Emory Village, Toco Hills, and Druid Hills, while the poorer ones, closer to the Lakeside High School area.

I believe back when Atlanta was small and very Southern, it was also really hippie (e.g. Indigo Girls), and North DeKalb is where this legacy continues. The preppy old money of Atlanta is largely in the places that Hypno talked about: Buckhead (single family homes only), Sandy Springs, Vinings, and the nicest East Cobb/North Fulton suburbs.

Most of the "hot" areas intown are mostly millennial transplants (the more gentrified, the more yuppie and less hipster, and vice versa), while the middle class suburbs are dominated by transplant families. Southern rednecks are a big influence only in the exurbs nowadays (e.g. Bartow, Paulding, Coweta, etc.).

I'm talking about the white crowd in Atlanta. FOB Asian girls are largely in Gwinnett as Hypno said. I also highly recommend the Sweet Hut in Midtown for an Asian majority daygame environment intown. I have no clue where different subsets of blacks live and where the hot Hispanic girls live.

[Aquarius]

(10-21-2018 11:06 PM)kavakid Wrote:  

Having said that, if your goal is to save money, climb the corporate ladder, or become a hip hop musician, Atlanta is a good choice.

The hip hop culture definitely pervades throughout the city. Blacks in Atlanta are a very large and cohesive cultural, political, and to an extent economic force. Even in the whitest areas, there are hip hop clubs that cater to blacks and seeing cars with expensive rims blasting hip hop drive past even in these areas is extremely common. A trip to Lenox Mall will show you the sheer influence and purchasing power blacks have in this city.

The film industry and even the run of the mill corporate opportunities has also been very successful in pulling ambitious blacks into this city. Atlanta has the highest quality of black people in this nation, by far.

[a beer is enough]

Kavakid, strong post but I will say that the conformity culture in Atlanta from what I have noticed is a lot more different from most of the east coast.

In NYC you have that sort of shallow culture as well but it pushes you in the right direction on a surface level. People are shallow about what job you have, how much you make, how good you look and the image you give off. The culture is shallow and competitive yet I would say it is a lot more open. In many ways, it pushes you to be the best version of yourself because you want to go to the gym to look good, dress with the best style, pursue the best career goals and really improve yourself to give off that image.

Cool is defined more based on your job, salary, looks and things that you can work on. On one hand it is a shallow life but its also open in the sense that you make your own image based on the work you put in.

Atlanta is a lot more like a country-club culture in the sense that it is a lot more closed. People will generally not affiliate with anyone past college and cool is defined more based on who you were in high school, what fraternity you were in back in college, who you knew growing up or in some cases what celebrities you're lucky enough to get close to. Even going back to my friend's story to where he tells me in order to get a bartending job in Buckhead, they check to see what fraternities you were in back in college.

I think this is part of the reason why Atlanta is such a paradox to where a guy who is lacking in many ways (looks, game, etc.) can still get hot girls due to the social status he had growing up which matters well into your 20s while a guy who has a lot going for him might still struggle because of a lack of that social status.

[kavakid]

I agree that there is a cliq aspects to Atlanta. I think it's strongest in the post college scene/white/buckhead/greek/preppie. I know that Ga tech and GSU are pretty diverse and open compared to a lot of colleges. Honestly, my background is very strong in the hippie side of things so the college scene isn't really my strong point.

The main issue, and I've said it in other posts, is that Atlanta is pretty young scene in my experience. I haven't spent a lot of time in NYC, but I imagine that there are independent women in their late 20s, 30s, and 40s who actually go out to parties, bars, etc. I feel like whenever I got out in Atlanta it's almost totally people in their 20s. Which is probably why there is a strong cliq/ college things going on. I think that most people in their 30s end up in the suburbs or just stay at home (they can be found on tinder, bumble, hinge, ok cupid, etc). Generally when I go out in Atlanta I know that the environment will tend be more of a college atmosphere in places like buckhead/va highland/edgewood, etc.

I prefer a quiet bar where I can sit and chat with an intelligent girl. There are plenty of places like that. But I feel like chicago, NYC, etc are more likely to have independent women who aren't surrounded by 3 or 4 people (cock blockers).

my east indian friend (in his 20s), gets laid every week by going out and approaching like a mad man. He can pick up in buckhead, in edgewood, wherever. He gets laid, but he does have some trouble building a social circle, as he maybe doesn't fit perfectly into any boxes. Some girl texted him "what do you do? Do you do anything?". He's actually a DJ and has a degree and a job, yet somehow he wasn't good enough for her.

Anyhow, yeah Atlanta isn't the best, but it's aight. The weather and geography is pretty nice. Winter time is actually really nice a lot of the days.

I don't think that anyone could come here and not get laid after at least a few months, even for a non player. Assuming you're putting in effort, going out, and online game. If you've got game, you should get laid at least every week or two. Whether it'll meet your criteria, I don't know. There are definitely a lot of hot girls though around. Pretty much everybody could find a scene to fit into: the gamers, the hippies, the preppies, the hop hop crowd, asian scene, latin, country, etc, etc.

[Hypno]

For post 20s, try some of the lounges in midtown around Crescent Ave, and Virginia Highlands.

I think some of you have unrealistic expectations or are making excuses. There are a finite supply of white sorority girls and you have to appeal to them to get them. What do you have to offer? Are you from Atlanta? What school did you go to? What church do you attend? That's street cred in buckhead.

I'm not from Atlanta but I never had a problem because I'm the white fraternity type. If you are not then you are going to feel its cliquish. Improve your odds by joining a Buchhead church (Peachtree Pres. is probably the largest) You know, the ones where men wear suits to service on Sunday. Or if you are Catholic, Christ the King but attend the Sunday evening mass - jeans and a sport coat only, please, we're not Protestants. Attend your alumni events, assuming you went to a decent school (Kennesaw State doesn't count). Attend a benefit - the Ronald McDonald House and the Sheppard Center have huge 20-something support groups. If you join a church and some of the small groups you'll learn about these things. If you can't do those things, you are not going to crack Buckhead Betty.

I'm serious about the church culture. I banged this chick who told me after that she had made an X-film. (she did, its online). She invites me to service the next day at Passion City Church (mega contemporary church known for its music, among other things). But that's Atlanta.

People in Atlanta in my experience are very open to outsiders. But you have to do some work. You can't assume you are going to have value to them without doing some work. Join groups. Volunteer. Show up.

[a beer is enough]

Hypno definitely shed some light on the streed cred parts.

Over the years, I've lost most of the attraction I had towards the sorority girl types to be honest but I find that the quality drops off hard once you leave that crowd. I can see why Aquarius and some dudes who have been PMing me have a thing for that type because the quality outside of that is abysmal. In most other cities if you are not into the sorority girl archetype, there is plenty of quality to be had everywhere else that more than makes up for it.

But going to what Hypno mentioned...

My problem with the church route and religion in general is having to fake being a morally self-righteous goody two shoe and have to live a lie for such a long time. From the experiences I have had with that kind of a crowd, its the moral self-righteousness goody two shoe attitude that will drive you insane if you're not good at wearing a mask. I also think people underrate just how Machiavellian a lot of religious people in general can be and how they will try to hold the morally superior card over you, especially when it comes to game.

I am not an atheist by any means but it is that heavily judgmental attitude of trying to control what you do morally and keeping you on some sort of a leash that got me. I just cannot deal with having to constantly play up the morally self-righteous attitude of not partying on the weekends of having a good bit of sex before marriage. Maybe some of you can and I admire you for it but its just not staying true to yourself.

All that being said, mad respect to Hypno for at least offering solutions. I admire that he has given a lot of folks on here advice on functioning in Atlanta and doing well so his post definitely gets a like from me.

[Hypno]

Beer, agree with you on the fakeness of it. But even the members of those churches are largely hypocrites, many of them anyway. So you would not be the only one.

My point is if you try to penetrate a group that is different from your own, you have to demonstrate some qualities that are important to them. If you didn't grow up in that city, attend their schools, then you ought to have some compensating qualities like you plan for your children to attend those schools, volunteer at their charities, etc. if you can't do that, then you will be excluded and they will seem cliquish. But its the same if you up to Marietta to little Brazil and don't want to join her family for Sunday dinner, or whatever customs each group has.

With tinder and similar, girls who want a hook up have one. And these sorority types are the top of the food chain and always have been. When these girls meet you they are looking for what is important to them - good school, good job, good prospects, access to things that excite them like a boat or connections, etc.

[kavakid]

I agree that the church and synagogue groups can be a big dating scene in the south. I've definitely met some partiers through those scenes. I remember many years ago going to a "youth"church group in the suburbs. I was about 18, and I think everyone was around 16-20 years old, maybe older. Everything was proper in the bible discussion group in the church basement. But after church, all hell broke lose. All I remember is a blur of everyone going to a park, girls were super horny and wild, and ending up drinking at someone's apartment. I didn't get laid, and had no game, but probably could have.

Someone should do an Atlanta church datasheet.

[a beer is enough]

I've been criticized a lot on this forum about being the guy who will sellout and not live my values for the sake of getting laid, even I think that for most guys who are not naturally Christian or religious, the church thing can be tough to do. After a while of standing around people who condemn sex before marriage and use their moral superiority mindset to get power over you, the stuff really has to beat you down mentally.

It is tough, mentally and on so many other levels, to live that sort of a life where your value do not line up with the image you're trying to portray. If most of us are trying to smash a lot but then surround ourselves with the goody two shoes who condemn sex before marriage, I don't know how long most guys really live that sort of life.

Speaking from my own experience with the religious goody two shoes, it is tough to be around so many people that live a life inconsistent with their values and then use moral superiority to make you their puppet. Then having to deal with angry jealous dudes who lack game trying to start a smear campaign against you once you start getting attention from women, it would such a pain in the ass to deal with.

At least the Hugh Hefners and Dan Bilzerians of the world have the decency to be genuine about their intentions which is why I prefer to be around the nightlife type of crowd.

But if it takes having to at least pretend being a religious goody two shoe, then that kind of speaks volume about the game in Atlanta.

@Hypno.

I also disagree with you on the importance of a good job and good school, from my experience it is a lot more nuanced than that and comes down more to how popular you were in high school, the frat you were in during college and who in the "in crowd" you rub shoulders with.

But you know the city better than me so I'll also say your word carries more weight than mines.

[Hypno]

@Beer- I never recommended that you sell out your values.

I have given you solid advice and all you have done is argued with me, slandered me, and made excuses for yourself. I'm out.

There are members on this forum who are not white who are successful with white women in Atlanta. It has nothing to do with high school or whatever excuse you will come up with next.

Atlanta has 6 million people and most of them are getting laid, at least the ones who don't make excuses.

I can see why you don't get laid. My interaction with you has been a net negative. If you interactions with other people are based on prejudices, accusations, and arguments, you will not be successful in Atlanta or anywhere else.

[kavakid]

Alright, let's settle down everyone.. before someone gets banned.

Atlanta is diverse. Plenty of people, including myself, get laid here without running in (or knowing anything about) the religious or fraternal social circles. Atlanta is diverse, compartmentalized, and yet also integrated in certain ways. Atlanta is pretty hard to define in one way.

Having said that, there are several large demographics at play. Religious southerners, professional college/post college, and black community. If you don't think you fit into those crowds then perhaps you can find your place like I have in the hippy/hipster scene, the professional transplants from other cities (like NYC), redneck/country scene, professional artists, asians, latinos, etc etc.

Like I said, I don't think that the whole frat thing is really that dominant in Atlanta culture, it just seems that way because it's mostly people in their early 20s that you will find in places like buckhead. If you go to less "meat market" type places you will find a different sort of crowd.

I think Atlanta is actually a pretty decent daygame city, in that you have a wider selection than night game (literallly anybody is available), and the weather is nice so it's year round. However, Atlanta's central areas aren't quite as cool as the lakefront in chicago or cental park in NYC. Although... our attractions are getting better. We now have the world's largest aquarium, a decent central park (piedmont park), the beltline path, and the downtown park called centennial olympic park which is like chicago's millenial park (although not as cool).

Still, year round there are lots of girls walking in the parks and I've never been to the grocery store or target without seeing a few cute chicks.

[BasketBounce]

Where is Atlanta Man!?!

Do you guys have experience gaming at the Brazilian spots in Marietta or the Asian spots in Duluth?

Unless you match the ethnicity or you know someone that knows someone...you will not pull.

Ling-Ling doesn’t want her friends to know she’s getting some bbc after the game.

I second the notion that you will have better luck getting Latinas and Asians at Tongue and Groove, definitely a diverse place. I have been meaning to go back for a while.

I wholeheartedly agree that Atlanta has an “image” culture about it. However, people are definitely open to cold approach...I have personally yet to get laid from it, but to me, that just means I need to work on my game more.

I don’t go after these “sorority” type girls, they don’t interest me. i’m more into the white european type, I have had trouble finding them in the ATL.

Edit: Loca Luna is good for Latinas, I saw a lot of mixing going on there. VaHi is also a good spot for the post-20s crowd, And the girls are very good looking there to me.

Not too familiar with Edgewood, I have only been there a few times for hip hop events and the crowd was all black every time. That’s not my go-to scene for gaming, but they were playing ratchet shit, which I like.