[glugger]

(08-16-2018 08:06 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

Americans are very "disconnected" from one another aside from tight-knit social groups. I think that social isolation is a serious problem for many millions of people.

Think about how many housewives (or divorcees) sit in large empty suburban homes all day watching TV while spaced out on pharmaceutical drugs.

Most American men also lack a purpose or mission in life...so it's difficult for households to have any aspirations worth fighting for.

I'm naturally a very optimistic person so I don't really like to dwell on the negative too much, but I have to admit that America has a very confusing vibe nowadays. There's no cohesiveness or central goal.

All I can say is thank God that Trump has given us a "mini golden age" which gave some sliver of hope to millions of Americans out there.

The best remedy that I've found is opening a business with a greater mission or purpose that actually helps other people. This is really fucking hard to maneuver, but if you can pull it off, you can actually live in America and wake up happy with some amount of meaning and direction in your life.

This post reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend who was teaching English in China. He observed when two German teachers from his school met for the first time, and being the only Germans there, they instantly connected and became friends for the duration of their time there. Similarly with Russians, Italians, English.

He compared that to his meeting with another American. There was nothing, no connection, just polite formality. Simply being a fellow countrymen wasn't enough to form a friendship in a foreign land - if you were American, that is.

[Kid Twist]

While I think there is something to be said about a lot of the negative things accumulating over the years, one must admit that in 1987 a camcorder was super novel. Those people almost didn't even believe he was "taking pictures". With all of the life intrusion that everyone is also aware of, of course the average person is gonna be skittish: they know there are a lot more weirdos out there --- why would you wanna be recorded?

[Kid Twist]

(08-16-2018 10:11 PM)glugger Wrote:  

He compared that to his meeting with another American. There was nothing, no connection, just polite formality. Simply being a fellow countrymen wasn't enough to form a friendship in a foreign land - if you were American, that is.

I don't buy this. It's just a probability question. America is huge, which brings all of the problems we've talked about in this forum.

What's more, outgoing and fun people will even cross borders and continue friendships, though the point is taken.

[asdfk]

That video from 1987, when you see how people talked... They are more "present." People nowadays are like zombies.

They are not present to what happens in front of them because there's a little piece of glass in their pockets connecting them to a fantasy world.

Watch an old Eddie Murphy comedy special. His tempo. His voice. His facial expression. His calmness. It does not compare to the agitated, anxious zombies that are all around us.

[MongolianAbroad]

That video comparison was thought-provoking...thanks for posting.

[The Lizard of Oz]

I wrote this post almost 5 years ago, and while parts of it are relevant to a different thread, it still conveys my exact thoughts and feelings about the supposed "death of America". Enjoy.

(09-13-2013 09:13 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Come on guys. All this talk about everyone fleeing America, decline this and collapse that, the fall of Rome, yada yada yada, it's goofy stuff. Why all the melodramatic exaggeration?

Nothing wrong, of course, with traveling or even in some cases transplanting oneself to other parts of the world for better and more compliant pussy, that's nothing but a mitzvah as long as you're careful and don't find yourself thrown into jail in some nightmare shithole where a single thug is judge jury and executioner. But let's not lose sight of basic realities.

The US has been, is, and will remain the most amazing and greatest society the world has ever known, and no one else is close. Americans don't really understand this because all they've ever known is paradise, so I can't even really blame y'all. But I look at Putin's KGB mug or at the sleazy fish faced executioners who run China or even at the uproarious laugh of the monstrous murderer Idi Amin chillin on the lake in my favorite RVF gif, and they tell me all I need to know.

Sure, we have some problems, mainly because we've bought into some terrible lies that go under the general name of feminism. This nonsense has done and will continue to do a lot of damage, but as disgusting as it may be it is not about to lead to the collapse of America, not even close.

Our economy is fundamentally strong and creative, our demographics are great and we are growing our population unlike other western societies that are trying to set themselves on a demographic death spiral (though I don't even believe that will last, either).

The difference in military strength between us and the rest of the world is so sick that I don't think people really comprehend it. It is a difference in kind and it has gone so far that there is essentially no bridging it, ever. Because we are an incredibly nice people we think ten times before using one millionth of our power for any reason, where any run of the mill scumbag empire would have long since enslaved the world, slaughtered their men and raped their women. But just because we are so nice doesn't mean we aren't more powerful than all the empires of the past put together.

Beyond all canting about "diversity" it is absolutely true that America wouldn't be as great as it is without all the different races and ethnicities that are part of the mix and give us the unsurpassed energy that the world can only try to imitate. That's why all the race nonsense in the comments going both ways just leaves me shaking my head. In a forum run by a half Persian half Armenian dude a large part of which is devoted to "game", a concept that exists basically because Iceberg Slim made it known outside of black culture in his masterpiece, and we're talking about race, really?

I think the reason for all this unnecessary drama, generally speaking, is that we've had a way too long and extended peacetime. When there is no war for too long, women get way too powerful and society stops making sense. The weaker men become effeminate manginas, and the stronger ones, like the ones who are drawn to this forum, get so restless and crazed from the lack of a real war that they try to start one with each other in threads like this

This feminism shit is bad but it will peak eventually and a real serious war will flush it out. Until then we just need to fight back the best we can, and also remember to kick back and enjoy our lives which are incidentally lives of incomparable ease and privilege and to which this forum adds the pleasures of shared information, interest and camaraderie. No need to waste it on misguided bickering.

[asdfk]

^ America has military power as its main strength, which is incredibly important.

But most of the population has no significant access to health care, education, proper infrastructure and even social connections. What great society treats their own citizens like this? Most issues that Americans face are incomprehensible for Europeans.

Health care is free. College is free. You can never really "fall off", without several instances in government services trying to help you up.

Yes, the US has a strong military presence and Europe owes their current state to what the US has done for them. And the EU profits from US innovation.

But as Trump has pointed out, people in the EU are benefitting more from this than the US population. They have the international safety (due to the US' military presence) and the perks of living in countries that invest heavily in the wellbeing of their population.

Many EU citizens benefit from free top-notch health care, education, safe places to live and social solidarity.

There is less crime, drug abuse, poverty, psychiatric problems and political tension.

Don't get me started on opportunity. If you are smart and are willing to work, you'll get paid to become a doctor, dentist or other great career. As in: your education is paid for and you start your career with 0 debt.

On top of that, those countries don't look like connected huge parking lots connected to each other, like most cities in the US.

I like Americans and American women. And it is a legitimate empire due to the military resources and competence.

But greatest society in the world?

From the outside it does not look like a society. It looks like a market.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(08-16-2018 11:10 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

^ America has military power as its main strength, which is incredibly important.

But most of the population has no significant access to health care, education, proper infrastructure and even social connections. What great society treats their own citizens like this? Most issues that Americans face are incomprehensible for Europeans.

Health care is free. College is free. You can never really "fall off", without several instances in government services trying to help you up.

Yes, the US has a strong military presence and Europe owes their current state to what the US has done for them. And the EU profits from US innovation.

But as Trump has pointed out, people in the EU are benefitting more from this than the US population. They have the international safety (due to the US' military presence) and the perks of living in countries that invest heavily in the wellbeing of their population.

Many EU citizens benefit from free top-notch health care, education, safe places to live and social solidarity.

There is less crime, drug abuse, poverty, psychiatric problems and political tension.

Don't get me started on opportunity. If you are smart and are willing to work, you'll get paid to become a doctor, dentist or other great career. As in: your education is paid for and you start your career with 0 debt.

On top of that, those countries don't look like connected huge parking lots connected to each other, like most cities in the US.

I like Americans and American women. And it is a legitimate empire due to the military resources and competence.

But greatest society in the world? What do you think?

Governor Cuomo? Is that you?

[Veloce]

That 7-11 video reminded me of this video I watch from time to time, about a band I really like called Zeitgeist (who had to later rename to The Reivers due to another band called Zeitgeist)

It's young, goofy, college rock type stuff. It reminds me of a time before 9/11, "dark, gritty" movies, internet, and so forth.

I was 8 in 1989 so my memories of the 80s are limited to childhood innocence and a nonexistent appreciation for the culture around me. Just pure ignorant bliss.

But I remember going to large outdoor barbecues in Southern California with motorcycles, loud music, and just a very open feeling socially.

I also remember going to my first raves in the late 90s and taking acid at these warehouse parties in L.A., all these kids getting together to dance and go wild and be a part of something, we didn't know or care what and it didn't matter, but it was special. We had beepers at that time, it wasn't yet normal for everyone to have a cell phone, much less a smartphone.

I look at EDC and social gatherings now and it doesn't look the same, maybe that's just me being too old for that shit now. Girls going to EDC looking like hookers and taking pictures of their ass so they can hashtag #ravebooty...what the fuck is that shit.

As much fun as it is to reminisce and relish the nostalgia, it still doesn't change the fact that this is the most exciting time to be alive.

It's easy to look at America as this giant wasteland of fat fucks and backwards sex and social relations. And it is to some extent. You have to dig deeper here. Go join a motorcycle club, or a meditation group, or a church. Volunteer at a soup kitchen, take a job teaching kids a trade or craft, pick up a new hobby, learn a new language. Go offroading, skydiving, jetskiing, scuba diving, go join a soccer club, or rugby team, or softball. Take salsa lessons, learn to breakdance, cooking classes, go volunteer at a vineyard and learn about wine, take up cheesemaking, learn how to distill spirits, start smoking sativa vape pens, take an acid or mushroom trip, go backpacking through Colorado, go river rafting, rent an RV and drive around the country for a month, play an open mic night, take an improv class, learn how to iceskate, hire a dominatrix, spend a weekend in Tijuana, go fishing in the northwest (salmon season is great this year)

It's a hell of lot easier to do all those things in America than other countries. You speak the language and getting credit is easy. This place isn't so bad once you get out of the mainstream and have some hobbies and interests with likeminded people.

[Super_Fire]

(08-16-2018 11:31 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Take salsa lessons, learn to breakdance, cooking classes, go volunteer at a vineyard and learn about wine, take up cheesemaking, learn how to distill spirits, start smoking sativa vape pens, take an acid or mushroom trip, go backpacking through Colorado, go river rafting, rent an RV and drive around the country for a month, play an open mic night, take an improv class, learn how to iceskate, hire a dominatrix

[Ski pro]

I’m not American so I can only see from the outside looking in.

It seems some of the country has gone soft. What we learn from history is that extended periods of good times create a softness. This is usually followed by some sort of societal collapse or war.

This is especially applicable to Europe and you could probably draw an analogy with late stage Roman Empire and the invading barbarian hordes, modern day Europe and the migrant/Islamic invasion.

I suspect over there in the US you won’t be invaded by migrant hordes but another civil war might be on the cards at some point.

In both regions, this will have the effect of removing the softness.

[Donfitz007]

to Elaborate a little more on what i said previously.

Its the sexual marketplace.

Women can easily and more openly test the waters. 20 or 30 years ago women were really promiscuous (mainly due to the music and such) and those women grew to be awful mothers. Things seem to be going the same path but for the worst. Atleast back then there were very masculine movies. Nowadays as a man especially a man under the age of 30 you have to deal with

1. Forced views on homosexuality (which cause many guys to grow up confused and scared)
2. Impure women
3. Guilt of simply being a man
4. Seducing a woman without being accused of rape
5. The VERY competitive sexual marketplace
6. Crazy Girlfriends who now are being normalized through social media (you should see the memes)
7. Absolutely NO rites of passages (a society where everybody makes the team)
8. No male spaces (boy scouts GONE,sports Gone, Video games GONE, soon the military special ops forces will be gone)
9. A world filled with vulgarity and porn
10. An Easy comfortable world

10 is by far the worst in both men and society in general. If America were to be invaded right now, 80% of the country would be fucked

[nomadbrah]

The 80s was the last normal decade of the West.

[nomadbrah]

(08-16-2018 11:31 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

It's easy to look at America as this giant wasteland of fat fucks and backwards sex and social relations. And it is to some extent. You have to dig deeper here. Go join a motorcycle club, or a meditation group, or a church. Volunteer at a soup kitchen, take a job teaching kids a trade or craft, pick up a new hobby, learn a new language. Go offroading, skydiving, jetskiing, scuba diving, go join a soccer club, or rugby team, or softball. Take salsa lessons, learn to breakdance, cooking classes, go volunteer at a vineyard and learn about wine, take up cheesemaking, learn how to distill spirits, start smoking sativa vape pens, take an acid or mushroom trip, go backpacking through Colorado, go river rafting, rent an RV and drive around the country for a month, play an open mic night, take an improv class, learn how to iceskate, hire a dominatrix, spend a weekend in Tijuana, go fishing in the northwest (salmon season is great this year)

And above all, don't forget to post on Instagram about it, so others can feel like they're missing out and get a good dose of anxiety and alienation.

I signed up for two similar activites even next month, so I am not hating on your advice to enjoy and master life Veloce.

I do think their is something cramped and unnerving at the lengths it seems ordinary people go to today to "do something". It seems like every other Joe or Becky is doing these "crazy endurance runs" or doing backflips on mountain bikes. There's something about it which seems forced, like you're desperately trying to live up to that "freedom of choice" paradigm and "take life in full".

[Richard Turpin]

Jack Donovan writes about this a lot, particularly in 'Becoming A Barbarian'. 'Barbarian', in this instance refers to the ancient Greek definition of being an 'Outsider'. Hey, like us!

What we are describing in our posts, is what he calls 'The Empire Of Nothing';

'Despite the heavy-handed subterfuges of "multiculturalism" and "diversity is our strength," the underlying reality is that within a few generations, any living culture will dissolve into an innocuous and half-remembered "cultural heritage" and the descendants of separate and even intransigent groups will become interchangeable consumers, voters, and employees. If they don't, they'll end up prisoners, and that also suits the empire of nothing.'

Those videos from 1987 (amazing, by the way, Syberpunk!) and what some posters have written about them no longer being in touch with their own history, heritage, culture etc. chimes perfectly with what both Donovan and Glubb are saying.

We have been perfectly softened up for the next stages of Glubb's cycle. Look at his description of what comes next and contrast that to the weak-hearted, aimlessness of men today (it's men who count here, women don't build civilisations and are in fact just the prize in the next iteration);

'These sudden outbursts are usually
characterised by an extraordinary display of
energy and courage. The new conquerors are
normally poor, hardy and enterprising and
above all aggressive. The decaying empires
which they overthrow are wealthy but
defensive-minded.'

and this in particular;

'But the new nation is not only distinguished
by victory in battle, but by unresting
enterprise in every field. Men hack their way
through jungles, climb mountains, or brave
the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans in tiny
cockle-shells. The Arabs crossed the Straits
of Gibraltar in A.D. 711 with 12,000 men,
defeated a Gothic army of more than twice
their strength, marched straight over 250
miles of unknown enemy territory and seized
the Gothic capital of Toledo. At the same
stage in British history, Captain Cook discovered
Australia. Fearless initiative characterises
such periods.
Other peculiarities of the period of the
conquering pioneers are their readiness to
improvise and experiment. Untrammelled by
traditions, they will turn anything available
to their purpose. If one method fails, they try
something else. Uninhibited by textbooks or
book learning, action is their solution to
every problem. '

This part in particular hits it home to me; 'Uninhibited by textbooks or book learning, action is their solution to every problem'. Contrast that with men today; overthinking everything and 'analysis paralysis'.

We in the West have forgotten our history and lost our pride in our accomplishments. With no history and no ancestors we care little for the future. All the technology in the world won't save us from ourselves. Without belief, civilisations will be out-fought and without hope for the future and pride in the past, they will be out-bred. The US may go the way of Rome as some posters are saying, or it might be beaten in battle (don't be so quick to rule it out). What replaces it may be something brand new, or something old given new life.

Donovan again;

There's an old Greek proverb that says, "society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in." If you don't like what's happening around you, what's happening to culture, what's happening to men and women, what people are becoming- get out there and start digging.

All his books are thought-provoking with well-reasoned arguments. While I'd recommend reading everything he's put out, if you want a shortened version of his philosophy, it would be this; 'Form A Gang'. As he says, there are over 7 billion people in the world, we can't be expected to care about all of them (or as he says, even remember their names!).

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-16-2018 12:35 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

1. Fat acceptance
2. acceptance of sluts and promiscuous women
3. Instagram (giving men and women unfair and unrealistic standards which leads to idiotic coping)
4. Unreliable information on the internet (both sides have compelling arguments as to why the other side sucks)
5. Lack of true self-improvement and self-reliance (people want to get better just to brag about it it seems)
6. Destruction of masculinity
7. No strong male figures
8. lack of a warrior culture or even a warrior monk culture
9. Healthy food is too hard for most people to get (garbage food is easier to get)
10. Lack of testosterone
11. Special snowflakes where everybody is a blogger and everybody is a revolutionist
12. Two generations of hippie goth abominations (generation z and millennials)
13. Destruction of the nuclear family
14. Feminism

Yes to all of that, however the death of America will come from something far more simple - demographic replacement of the population that created the place.

All of those points from 1-14 came about only in the last decades with the last 20 years being the worst offenders. For centuries the country did fine.


There is a way back from obesity, from radical feminism, from transgender madness, even a way back from self-hatred and lies told about their own history.

But there is no way back, when you have become Brazil.



And the elite knows all of this - that is why non-European mass migration is their top priority. Even if the country turned back some of the excesses, the old Anglo-dominate European-heritage US culture would be gone. An example is generation Z which is far more conservative than generation Y - they are nihilistic, but they are more conservative and likely to become more so as they get older.

Old Europe survived the black plague, frequent Islamic invasions, the Mongol invasions, constant internal brutal wars for millennia, decades of genocidal backwards communism - Europe is still there, because the people survived. It won't survive non-European mass migration.

The cultural destruction mentioned here is just what will make the final murder via migration possible.

But you will see the death of Canada preface the Death of the US:

The change of the coat of arms of the city of Toronto is symptomatic of that death:

Old:

Industry. Intelligence. Integrity. No longer welcome values.

Now:

This is no joke - Diversity Our Strength is the new motto.

Yeah - you will have your constitution just as Liberia has the US constitution.

[TigerMandingo]

Americans have less vacation time than medieval peasants

https://www.businessinsider.com/american...nt-2016-11

Lol. Though the article does admit that those people faced harsher living conditions.

Whenever I hear friends abroad dreaming about coming to the US, I always say "be careful what you wish for". Are you ready to toil away for 50 or 60 hours a week? Immigrants quickly become disillusioned once they face the realities of American life. They come over thinking money grows on trees haha

[BelyyTigr]

Well firstly, I'm not American so I can't comment on the details, even tho I've visited the States a fair bit. But the people who own your media and corporations also own ours, so we've got a similar situation.

Yes, the situation is fucked up. This is what will happen. 1st and 3rd world will merge in employment terms, also in quality of life terms in many aspects. Coming from a "wealthy" country will be as much a curse as a blessing. Corporations will happily put a generation of men on the scrapheap in favour of hoes, especially white working/lower middle class men. It'll all be dressed up as "progressive" and whatever wankerish buzzwords are the order of the day. There's a high chance your kids will be brainwashed into practicing sodomy and rugmunching. Incest, paedophilia and sexualised slavery will be the subject of "normalisation" by the media Establishment. So called "hate incidents" will become "hate crime" with jail sentences, not just expulsion from work. Expect something like China's "good social citizen system" in place. Technology will advance but it will be even colder than it is today, a giant illusion of dreams and riches "just round the corner". Social networks will be even more fragmented as geographic mobility will be needed to eek out a living.People will live longer (if they want to!) but have to work FAR FAR longer. Many men will be forced into being "househusbands" looking after kids. Although many couples will be sterile - thank pollution and shitty food additives etc for that! Endocrine disruptors will have a huge effect on so called "gender blurring". Families will be comfortable ones with money, or ones that live on benefit cheques in ghettoes - including WHITE ghettoes in majority Hispanic/Muslim/whatever towns.

That's whats gonna happen. And there's nothing you can do about it...
IF YOU CHOOSE TO SIT ON YOUR ARSE DOING NOTHING!

So either people care about the death of America/Europe. Or they don't.
Don't just associate with like minded and aware people. Actually figure out ways of changing shit. Otherwise, many men can look forward to zero hours jobs for a crooked immigrant, gay kids, and doing the cooking and cleaning for a wife with her 18' biceps and a "fashion moustache" and on 4 x your money.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-17-2018 09:05 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Americans have less vacation time than medieval peasants

https://www.businessinsider.com/american...nt-2016-11

Lol. Though the article does admit that those people faced harsher living conditions.

Whenever I hear friends abroad dreaming about coming to the US, I always say "be careful what you wish for". Are you ready to toil away for 50 or 60 hours a week? Immigrants quickly become disillusioned once they face the realities of American life. They come over thinking money grows on trees haha

That is actually related with something else -

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201...hese-days/

Quote:

Usury: why we don’t build Cathedrals these days….
by Anthony Migchels onApril 16, 2012


“In Europe during the Middle Ages – the 10th to 13th centuries – local currencies were issued by local lords, and then periodically recalled and reissued with a tax collected in the process. Again, this was a form of demurrage that made money undesirable as a store of value. The result was the blossoming of culture and widespread well-being, corresponding exactly to the time period when these local currencies were used.
Practically all the cathedrals were built during this time period. If you think about what is required as investment for a small town to build a cathedral, it’s extraordinary.

The question arises: with similar currencies, what would the cathedrals of the 21st century look like?”

Without usury most farmers and tradesmen worked roughly 20-26 weeks/year to support their families. They then dedicated their free time to build cathedrals - for free - like the Amish.

Things later became even better with the first actual middle class emerging in the 15th century, later becoming worse as the usury bunch came increasingly into power. Then it became much much worse with 100+ hour weeks and incredibly brutal conditions during the robber baron capitalist times. Only in the 20th century the constant protests and pressure from below turned things around. The US fought their way out of the gutter forgetting such things like the Battle of Blair Mountain.
In the 1970s the usurers and robber barons returned in full force and chipped away from the lifestyles again.

And frankly - no one in the world can subsist on 26 weeks per year (with mainly the man working). Maybe if we got rid of usury, then this would return again, but certainly not now.

[Syberpunk]

This is a tangent (I think), so forgive me if its not the place for it, but the level of discourse is so basic in politics nowadays.

The internet has a lot of slowpokes that think they're being edgy and think they're saying something so profound too, and its the controlled opposition, Basically they never had an original thought that was actually their own. Keeping people coralled, contained, reminds me of the much maligned Matrix sequels were the twist is the machines were allowing some people out of the system as a release valve because they know inevitably no matter how hard they try some people will be curious and there's nothing you can do but have them go in circles saying "We're winning". Gee I wonder why they got reviled (writing aside), a little too real perhaps?

"Das the real racist"....No Dinesh, (((Leon Trotsky))) came up with the term and we've all be suffering the brainwashing for it since, you're literally playing their game you fool. All so we should not have not an identity at all he argues. No collectivism or even a hint of mildly socialism like thought, just pure corporatism and individualism.

I enjoyed Molyneux calling a Richard Spencer "a Darwinian" with not the slightest bit of irony, this is the man who bangs on about about IQ and race/genetic differences (and rightly so) every other video. They'd probably get along, why not call him up Molyneux for a chat?


Jesus even the term "melting pot" has been utterly bastardized and its meaning changed from the 1800's, it refers to similiar cultures with many many things in common coming together to form a new nation that you can't even know they were mixed at first glance, not mixing primitives with the vastly more cultured, civilised settlers.

I make a great stew "a melting pot" with ingredients that tend to be similar, they work well together.

Contrast

In my first year of college, for the last few weeks in our dorms we didn't do any washing up, after many parties in our house, the sink built up with all manner of ciders, vodkas, cokes, brandy, beers and the dishes sitting in that dirty water. Everyone avoided doing the work. It was pitch black by week 3; there was so much aggressive stubborn grease we had to take the cutlery and dishes to the bathtub and wash them on our hands and knees, changing the water every few minutes. We were cleaning the plates with toilet bleach.

This is the "melting pot" they want, its going to take a lot of work and you'll curse why you did it.

And the elites will start using toilet bleach liberally, and will not think twice about.

[nomadbrah]

(08-17-2018 09:05 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Americans have less vacation time than medieval peasants

https://www.businessinsider.com/american...nt-2016-11

Lol. Though the article does admit that those people faced harsher living conditions.

Whenever I hear friends abroad dreaming about coming to the US, I always say "be careful what you wish for". Are you ready to toil away for 50 or 60 hours a week? Immigrants quickly become disillusioned once they face the realities of American life. They come over thinking money grows on trees haha

Americans have something that other people don't have, which is the ability to make it big with enough hard work.

A doctor doesn't get to be as rich in Europe as in the US. Neither does a lawyer or engineer.

It's also my clear impression that the US legal system protects risk takers, in the form of corporation law and bankruptcy law, far more than in Europe.

For the average worker it is definitely far worse.

[BelyyTigr]

(08-17-2018 09:05 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Americans have less vacation time than medieval peasants

https://www.businessinsider.com/american...nt-2016-11

Lol. Though the article does admit that those people faced harsher living conditions.

Whenever I hear friends abroad dreaming about coming to the US, I always say "be careful what you wish for". Are you ready to toil away for 50 or 60 hours a week? Immigrants quickly become disillusioned once they face the realities of American life. They come over thinking money grows on trees haha

[TigerMandingo]

(08-17-2018 11:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Americans have something that other people don't have, which is the ability to make it big with enough hard work.

A doctor doesn't get to be as rich in Europe as in the US. Neither does a lawyer or engineer.

It's also my clear impression that the US legal system protects risk takers, in the form of corporation law and bankruptcy law, far more than in Europe.

For the average worker it is definitely far worse.

Oh sure, I don't disagree. But from what I understand doctors and ESPECIALLY lawyers slave away just like everyone else, albeit with higher salaries. I bet if you look closely their quality of life is shit. They can't even eat right or cook for themselves because they're spending so much time at the office. Their They work themselves to death for a measly 2 week vacation and a fatty wife at home.

At the end of the day, we're all gonna be dead and buried at one point. I want to squeeze out maximum enjoyment from the little time I have on this Earth rather than pulling 8-5 shifts on a daily basis. Like the guy in Office Space said "It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't care"

[BelyyTigr]

(08-17-2018 09:05 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Americans have less vacation time than medieval peasants

https://www.businessinsider.com/american...nt-2016-11

Lol. Though the article does admit that those people faced harsher living conditions.

Whenever I hear friends abroad dreaming about coming to the US, I always say "be careful what you wish for". Are you ready to toil away for 50 or 60 hours a week? Immigrants quickly become disillusioned once they face the realities of American life. They come over thinking money grows on trees haha

You're right if its someone coming from an advanced country like Germany to the US.
But the immigrant problem is 3rd world/lower cost countries to places like the US and Western Europe.

When Poles started coming to Britain, the GB Pound has SIX times the purchasing power of the Polish Zloty. Basically work 1 year in England, and its like working NINE OR TEN years back in Poland. They didn't even have to pay taxes or National Insurance in England. And making money that quickly they'd do EVERYTHING to fill their boots eg living 20 to a house working shifts, and when one went to work, another would take his bed to sleep. They could work every hour God made because... well it was only short term. And they could soon go home and live like a virtual king back in a small town in Poland. The situation was and still is even more magnified in Romania. And as for Africa, Bangladesh and so on.. well the purchasing power is still 20 to 1 or more.

Companies show no loyalty to the nation they are in, even less to citizens of that nation. Amazon and Starbuck consider taxes a thing of the past, something the proles pay - or go to jail for if they are in business. They can treat immigrant employees as their total bitches, so they don't even want to consider local employees unless they have to. That's why the Establishment force this "diversity" and "European family" bullshit down people's throats. Because its a money maker of gigantic proportions. Even doctors, dentists, managers, programmers are falling victim to it - not just the unskilled that the corrupt media would have people believe. Add in the bullshit about women in STEM and transsexuals in everything and the world of employment has become hellish for many NORMAL males in their own countries.

First world countries tend to have higher exchange rates largely due to their higher taxes on everything from salaries, fuel and everything else.

Immigrants know there's an opportunity so its inevitable they will take it - even literally swimming into Europe illegally. From that pt of view I can't even blame them in a way.
But these immigrants often aren't even poor in their own countries. Many are from wealthy families already. Soros and his mates are providing the infrastructures to let them get all the way to Germany, Britain, Sweden etc - the highest cost areas of Europe, instead of declaring asylum in their place of arrival ie Turkey or whatever.

But allowing immigrants and offshore corps to grow rich on the backs of people who have actually BUILT the West is actually just a form of social parasitism. If its not stopped, 1st and 3rd world will merge. And the way things work in the current model is that wages only go down for 1st worlders.

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(08-16-2018 02:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

The more alliances we have as Americans who are proud of their country the better.

We have an identity of a country, yes we're a melting pot, but the globalist are using divide and conquer tactics and they're doing a fantastic job at polarizing our nation on the far end of the spectrums, it's only accelerating also. Instead of being Americans and being able to meet in the middle and work out differences.

Yeah your right, Kaotic. I probably shouldve just said American and left out white.

The part you wrote above is what I most agree with. Its hard see a bright future for the country when all you see is the globalist's splitting people and groups, making it hard to even have a conversation or agree about a similar topic.