[MANic]

I faced a similar scenario, albeit not quite NEET. I completed two postgrad degrees immediately post-undetgrad and was attempting to find a training contract - mind you, my undergrad degree is in a good area and from a great uni. There I was highly qualified almost too much so for an entry level position.

The NEET lifestyle generally perpetuates isolation and destroys motivation. I note that you get, on average, 3 hours of studying done a day with the remainder of it spent surfing online - I was similar. My advice is to get the fuck out of your house. Don't focus on pick up etc. just get out and engage woth your surroundings and people. Buy a cheap cup of coffee every morning and relax in the shop. Going shopping, take your time and engage with staff (especially great if you support local business - weekday mornings are great opportunities to have some pretty interesting chats with shop owners in your locale), socialise in the gym. Engage with Asian community in Aus instead of burying your head in a book etc.

In regard to the advice above, desexualise your intent. Focus on engaging socially with all not on seducing women - this should be a by-product.

On the psychological side:
a) Don't feel ashamed or be timid. There is absolutely nothing to be embarassed about;
b) Pump yourself up every morning - just try and cultivate a feeling of being full of energy and a can do spirit. Just try and feel those emotions through your body - as vague and inconcrete as that may sound.

It may sound like a case of "easier said than done" but I've been there bro.

[Hephaestus]

(08-28-2018 05:41 AM)MANic Wrote:  

*snip*

That's good advice. Something I wish I heard a few years when I was deep in a depression. I spent years being "too tired" to socialise, when that was exactly what was keeping me "tired".

I usually do at least one group social activity a week, and meet up with at least one friend. I'm not social by nature, but it's good to keep active. I'm quite sleepy right now, so I'll explain what I mean by "social isolation" at a later date3

I went the gym this morning, but I went at 5:40 and there wasn't many people. Next time I'll go a bit later, maybe grab a pancake at the 7am cafe.

Log#14:
Tried to do a million things, mostly unsuccessful. I really need to block distractions.

Log #15: (Copied from my journal)
Woke up at about 4.30 and wasted an hour on my phone. This hassle could be cut down if I locked up my phone until 6am. Use an LED torch and a cheap clock instead.
Got to the gym about 5.40 and trained for an hour. You wasted a lot of time cooking afterwards, perhaps have a smaller meal, gains be damned. Chatting to a cute girl thousands of miles away is just timewasting, something you could do at night, not during your most alert hours.
A better idea would be to study until 6ish, then go to the gym so you can get a pancake at the café. Since one of your housemates is moving out, isolation is an issue.
Today you are optimistic about getting things done. You’ve already blocked Windows Explorer, so there is no way for you to back out of it. No way to close timesnapper and run from accountability.
Last push failed as blocking WE stopped Windows from initialising att all, but saving your setup the night before with a dialogue box ready to be clicked is all you need.
You’ve already blocked all videos and games, so there is no way to slack off via the ‘open as’ dialogue box.
Now! Get to work! You can get seven hours done today. Don’t hate yourself for not doing nine.
Regarding my use of “this” instead of “self” as a class parameter, I want to force my brain to be more active when copying code.
Always read the whole thing before you get frustrated. Some people teach through by showing what not to do. Always doublecheck things and test as a bug found now is easier to deal with then finding it later.

I actually ended up doing over 7 hours, but I could have done much more if I physically locked my phone up for longer and . I also took an alertness hit by eating eggs in the afternoon, next time I'll keep lunch light.

Note this underweighs the time I spent on the flashcard app, as I handwrite my answers but the screen capture software stops if I pause for 10 seconds.
I also didn't record my evening study or preparation.

I'm happy with today, and if I can keep this up, I will definitely be in a better position.

[[email protected]]

I know a NEET in Australia that got paid something like 80k by a German family to bring their daughter into the country. This person was reported but I'm not sure whatever happened to him. Don't do it OP, it's illegal. I just mentioned it because you mentioned being a NEET and it triggered this memory. Good luck with the future.

[Hephaestus]

(08-30-2018 04:36 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I know a NEET in Australia that got paid something like 80k by a German family to bring their daughter into the country. This person was reported but I'm not sure whatever happened to him. Don't do it OP, it's illegal. I just mentioned it because you mentioned being a NEET and it triggered this memory. Good luck with the future.

Immigration fraud is hardly sustainable employment.

Now, it's late here so I'll be quick.

I should explain what I mean by social isolation. I have lots of acquaintances, but very few close friends. It's hard to keep with people when they keep going forward and you flounder in the same place.

I've shared my big dreams with some people, but it has been years without any progress

Last year, when I was doing decently with crypto, I could answer "What do you do?" with I trade crypto, but that identity disappeared with the market.

I guess I since I'm dedicating myself to studying right now, I could say I'm a student but then they'll ask. "where do I study?" and I won't know what to say.

I'm definitely making progress with my voice, at least when listening to the tape recorder. That'll be one less obstacle out of my way soon.

[lakesideboss]

no update in six days,what happened?

[BlueOcean01]

Hope all is going well bro. Do update us.

[Hephaestus]

In short, I fell off the wagon trying to find a new housemate.

All I managed to do was some revision and a lot of time wasting.

These last three days, I've managed to make some progress. (I forgot to record the day before yesterday)

I am finally learning things that are immediately practical, which should help keep my motivation up.

I'll write in more depth tomorrow, so sleepy now.

[Hephaestus]

Log #18,

I tried to prepare for the night by locking my phone, and blocking explorer.exe/taskmgr.exe along with games/videos/internet. I then arrayed my programs into perfect order to get a good start.

So far, so good, except for one little thing; I forgot to deactivate Flux, a program that turns my screen orange to help me sleep better. No biggie, it's an annoyance, but I still managed to get 3 or 4 hours of studying before 10am before I decided to restart my computer to deactivate flux.
Okay... Nothing is loading... damn... what a waste. I had almost six hours until the block was scheduled to expire, and I couldn't do anything. Safemode is worth trying, but half my programs didn't work, and the internet was fully accessible.

As you can guess, I was too distracted to get much done. Frustrating. I think I'll uninstall all browsers that can't be locked down in safemode, and rely entirely on firefox.

[Bienvenuto]

Keep going OP..

[RatInTheWoods]

Go up and down the street and ask people if their need their lawn mowing, weeds pulling or any odd jobs for cash.

Let us know you you go.

Aim to ask 100 houses this week.

With luck you will get a weekly lawn mowing gig for Mrs Robertson, who will in turn recommend you to gladis down the street, and her Uncle Jim needs his lawn doing as well because of his lumbago, which will wind up with you having a huge cash mowing run.

[Hephaestus]

Here's today's log.
I didn't record the whole day, but managed to get a decent amount of work done. Regular expressions are extremely useful, so are well worth the effort mastering.

I was sleepy, so I ended up reading Headtaker and watching Upgrade. I'm not a 32 year old NEET because of watching the occasional film or reading the occasional book, so I don't feel at all bad about it, to be honest, it's a pleasure being able to immerse yourself in a story without actionable compulsions to check the internet.


For those who are curious, I’ll write a bit about my current setup..
I am very hesitant to recommend the blocking software as it is buggy, has false-positives and easy to bypass, The included writing software is much better, as by elegantly disabling Ctrl/Alt etc, they can keep the user on task until a set wordcount is reached.

I can recommend TimeSnapper, the screenshot tool without reservation, though the creators have made the choice to make it easy to disable for ethical reasons (>,<) . The free version works fine, but the features of the upgrade are worth it for me. Whilst it doesn’t force me to work, the feeling of being ‘observed’ helps keep me on task. (ASIO/GCHQ/NSA I love you)

I use Firefox 57 as a browser as it allows me to block all but whitelisted sites using Leechblock addon, and mkiosk stops me from disabling it via about:addons, I have used another solution to disable safemode, but I have deliberately forgotten it to prevent myself from undoing it.

Now onto how I use them;
I schedule a block for all other browsers until 4pm and all games/video players until 2pm. 2pm may seem early, but if I don’t get a good night’s sleep, then it is really hard to push myself until later. I can always extend them as needed.

I manually block Windows Explorer and Task Manager every morning as scheduling it would stop the programs I need from loading. This block makes it harder to close timesnapper and harder to bypass my other defences. Navigating around isn’t that hard as I’ve already loaded the necessary apps and I’ve configured my keyboard to launch the links/music/software I need.

In meatspace, I use two time-locked boxes. One has the keys to a locked bag of pre-cooked food I want to spread across the day, and the other has my phone, a key for where I’ve locked up my laptop and a key for icecream. I used to be obese, and still have a tendency to overeat, especially when sad, stressed or confronted with difficult truths. Yesterday I neglected this, and downed a 6000kj gateau in one sitting. Generally speaking, I’ve made it a habit to measure out a portion first, and lock the remainder up before starting to prevent feeding frenzies.

I lock my phone up as software solutions can be too easily bypassed with safemode. Just yesterday, I wasted 12 hours just randomly browsing on my phone, it’s a real problem that I’d rather avoid. Using it in the evening isn’t so bad, as my computer is a bigger draw. People rarely try to contact me during the work day, so it’s a small price to pay.

(09-20-2018 07:54 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Go up and down the street and ask people if their need their lawn mowing, weeds pulling or any odd jobs for cash.

Give me a few months on this and I'll be up for it.

[Hephaestus]

Log #20

Not much to say. I should have studied more, but at least I know more today then I did yesterday.

[Bienvenuto]

(09-22-2018 05:18 AM)Hephaestus Wrote:  

Log #20

Not much to say. I should have studied more, but at least I know more today then I did yesterday.

Amen brother.

[flanders]

I don't know if anybody posted this already or not, but I'd figure that eventually some kind of software development job is in the cards should you stay the course.

In that case, posting here is all fine and dandy for accountability, but making a website and blogging on the side (daily if possible) about your python journey and linking everything with github would be something you want to look into. It does not have to be much.

Dan Bader did the same thing years ago, and even on fairly short blog posts he gets evergreen traffic even if the python snippets are years old (it never changes much). He decided he likes teaching people and selling courses more than software dev to some degree, but he still gets hit up for work constantly. No doubt he runs seminars.

Web traffic is not important, since people out headhunting are going to find you whether you rank high or not. Not to mention you'll own the website, so you can have an email address like [email protected] - that kind of thing looks really slick on a resume or linkedin profile. Something to consider depending on your goals.

IMO, this is more critical if you do gig work since your temporary employer needs some way to verify that you're a human being who does what he says he does.

[nomadbrah]

NEETbux should be turned into Entrepreneurbux.

Think of your neetbux as your way to get whats yours out of a system which mainly exist to exploit men like you and give to feminists and soyboys who despise you.

Neetbuxxing is your little rebellion against soycialist society.

Why feel bad about it?

Fill your day with a full range of the leisurely idle man's endevours:

Casually stroll and take in nature or architecture
Feel soul growing as result
Have a chat with fellow human beans
Become familiar with your own ego and being
Read a classic book, study the philosophy of your ancestors
Listen to music or practice an instrument
Exercise your body 1-1.5 hours a day
Get a nice haircut from a fellow tax evading barber (Indian/Pakistanis are decent)
Grow your beard cause no need to signal being a little boy to placate corporate society
Learn to dress because you have so much time and no longer have to wear the emasculating office uniform

In between make sure to drop at least 3-5 hours a day working on your startup business. Make the bugpeople pay for your seed capital. Oh yeah, make sure to earn some shekels on the side, doing odd jobs, outside the tax man.

Last, but no least, go out with friends or alone and bang wagecucks girlfriend with your new found easy confidence. Nothing says important man, like being completely idle, while still cultured and physically fit. Embrace your Neet born poverty and understand what you have to offer women outside superficial bugman status. I was never as successful with women as one summer spent as a couch crashing confident NEET.

And to all the wagies reading along.

Tick Tock Tick Tock wagie

Another day another dollar

[Hephaestus]

(09-22-2018 06:49 PM)flanders Wrote:  

In that case, posting here is all fine and dandy for accountability, but making a website and blogging on the side (daily if possible) about your python journey and linking everything with github would be something you want to look into. It does not have to be much.

That's an excellent idea, and something I am planning to do once I've got beyond the 'hello world' stage.

I've run/marketed websites in the past, so I think I'll be able to get something like this up and running, especially if I find an angle to draw people to it. Anyway, I'll hit that problem when I reach it.

(09-22-2018 07:26 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

*snip*

Good post. I am more than grateful that 21st century Australia has a lot to offer even its poorest citizens.

The last week was terrible, but I still managed to

Quote:

Casually stroll and take in nature or architecture. Done! Felt better
Feel soul growing as result
Have a chat with fellow human beans Done! I'm making an effort to connect with others
Become familiar with your own ego and being I've been doing a lot of reflecting
Read a classic book, study the philosophy of your ancestors Does /his/ count?
Listen to music or practice an instrument Listen yes, play no.
Exercise your body 1-1.5 hours a day I went to the gym with a mate 6 times this week.
Get a nice haircut from a fellow tax evading barber. Done, I was feeling down over a girl, so I had a haircut for "change"
Grow your beard cause no need to signal being a little boy to placate corporate society. Stubble suits my face better, but I get your point.
Learn to dress because you have so much time and no longer have to wear the emasculating office uniform I'm very well dressed for my budget, yay charity shops

It's getting late, and I'll go into everything else tomorrow, but thank you all for your posts.

[Hephaestus]

Log #22

Wasn't 100% energy wise, so I spent today preparing for tomorrow.
I tidied up my space digital and physical.

I've deleted all my games and browsers, and many files from the past.

I reread a self-improvement book called "How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big". I've read it twice before, but it's good for an extra push out of a slump.

Besides the mandatory stuff about visualisations, it makes some very good points about how different skills synergise, the right surroundings, communication and how to sustain a good mood. It's well worth reading, even if you aren't a fan of Scott Adam's other work.

I was super depressed yesterday. Basically I have a very strong prolactin response to any kind of orgasm. This has added complications to relationships, though certain legal Indian herbs help mitigate this. When I'm single, I usually abstain completely as one time gets me lethagic and 'away', three times and I'm instantly back to the worst of my depression.
To clarify, when I say internet addiction, the vast majority of it isn't porn, though I am keeping my windows and doors open to pre-empt any bad habits forming.

[Hephaestus]

I managed to break my motherboard last month.

Broken PCI slots apparently. I returned it under warranty, but the replacement still has issues.

It worked for a short while, but now it no longer works, all because I got greedy and reinserted my graphics card. Without a PC, I had no means of physically removing the wifi, so I found it hard to keep focused.

[flanders]

Most laptops have discrete wireless cards built into them that can be physically removed with a screwdriver. I only know this because I've replaced more than a handful of broken wifi cards. You can (1) permanently pull the wifi card from the motherboard and (2) use a removable USB wireless dongle (they cost about 5-10 dollars) for any necessary downloads or updates if you must have productivity.

Wifi cards in laptops that cannot be removed can always be disabled through the windows control panel. Linux probably can do it without a problem as well.

If your only goal is to learn python you can just buy a thinkpad t400 (or 410, 420) used for extremely cheap (like $50 USD), a charger (90W is preferable to 60W), then install any linux, no serious ram upgrade or hard drive upgrade required. I keep a stack of these for no reason in particular.

Any cheap or free book on learning python will work. Or the 'learn python' thread, since learning django is useful as well.

I don't know if you lift weights but regular squatting and deadlifting keep me in a pretty fucking great mood.

[Hephaestus]

Update:

I got caught up in self-loathing and computer games, but I'm ready to give a productive life another shot. I managed to get my PC working again, and removed the wireless card from my laptop.
I've got a lot of good books for learning python, all ready. I've bought a nice supportive chair, I've uninstalled all games. I've installed a word processor (WPS Writer/LibreWriter since my uni substription to MS Word has exprired).

Flanders advice about the dongle is good, I can safely lock it away when I am studying. The issue I hit today was I was terribly temped to cycle to the computer place and buy yet another wifi dongle.

I now have no excuses not to be productive. I'm gonna try two days without internet, I promise to upload at least 5 recorded days this week.

Sorry if my thoughts are a bit disjointed today, I'm half asleep. I should be a lot more clear on Monday.

[Hephaestus]

Had a good few hours of productive work today(Monday). Nothing to sing about, but it is better than wasting another day online. I wasted many hours on Sunday staring at a 6" screen unfortunately.

I locked up both my phone and modem, my media drives and all food until 5pm, so I didn't need to waste energy actively resisting distractions.

[Hephaestus]

This week I tried things differently.

Lightbox in the Morning (I listen to language tapes and motivational hypnosis)
Internet an evening every two days, (Half the distruption, but still connects me with the world)
Stimulants (Energy and mod to build momentum, I've stopped now so I won't get tolerence)

As I promised to myself, five videos, I don't expect anyone will watch them, but the possibility of being observed makes me less likely to waste time.

Goodnight

[[email protected]]

I've been on both sides (NEET and 6 figure earner) and I have to say lately I'm questioning whether NEET-dom is a bad thing. Unless you have a kid I don't see why you need to be a perpetual wagecuck servicing debt your entire life to make bankers and government rich. Ultimately I see wagers as cuckolds paying for other people's welfare, health care and kids. It would be understandable if you were taxed with some representation but the fact is most tax is there to benefit women and other people's kids. Also the percentage of tax is ridiculous. 30-45% income tax, 10%+ sales tax, basically half of your income is taken away from you for the Greater Good. At some point the wage earner scratches his head and wonders if it is worth it working 11/12 months, never getting rich.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(01-26-2019 07:09 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I've been on both sides (NEET and 6 figure earner) and I have to say lately I'm questioning whether NEET-dom is a bad thing. Unless you have a kid I don't see why you need to be a perpetual wagecuck servicing debt your entire life to make bankers and government rich. Ultimately I see wagers as cuckolds paying for other people's welfare, health care and kids. It would be understandable if you were taxed with some representation but the fact is most tax is there to benefit women and other people's kids. Also the percentage of tax is ridiculous. 30-45% income tax, 10%+ sales tax, basically half of your income is taken away from you for the Greater Good. At some point the wage earner scratches his head and wonders if it is worth it working 11/12 months, never getting rich.

As I see it, NEETdom has these big disadvantages against a 6 figure income:
1.) Lack of social contact. This kills.
2.) Lack of sex/female attention. Also not great for a man.
3.) Lack of self-respect. This makes you miserable.

If you could wing your way into being a NEET while still getting laid and hanging out with friends, you could probably have a pretty sweet life. Wouldn't be easy though.

[bortimer]

Your thread is titled "journey away from 30-something NEETdom," yet it's been nearly 6 months and you are still a NEET? Your self-improvement efforts are just masturbation. Get a job and build some inertia towards actually accomplishing something.