Quote: (08-08-2018 06:43 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:
-In my opinion Feminism`s source are Zionist allegiance intellectuals. Most Feminists are useful idiots though, oblivious to this. The (real) objective is the decimation of Europeans. They also make sure that these ideas are kept away from their own communities/land. (just as with the Marxism-equality agenda.)
> I agree. Judith Butler is Jewish. Feminism is very weak in communist countries like Cuba, North Korea and China (name a female politician in these nations). The intelligence services of anti-Western nations have always sponsored ideologies that weaken Europeans. Diana West’s American Betrayal describes how the KGB manipulated public opinion in America during the Cold War.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:43 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:
-If you`re going to be as specific as books that dismantle Feminist authors arguments, yes you might be right. (Although I haven`t looked into that myself.) I like Alain Soral though. But most classic philosophy-science (evolution in particular) is in direct opposition to all of Feminist teachings. Importantly also, if you refute Feminist arguments, you have to use their language. This is a trap however. If you accept the term gender roles for example, and try to dismantle it, you have already lost the debate. That term exists to control the narrative, and win the debate before it`s begun. Roles can be altered you see! But there are no gender roles, only evolved biological differences that can not be undone. (Clever little trick that.)
> You raised some very good points. In order to be effective, a book that dismantles feminism should start by not respecting feminist authors. It should stress their intellectual dishonesty and bring some facts that prove how pathetic their lives are. The goal is making normal woman want to separate themselves from these gurus. Alain Soral did it by showing how Simone de Beauvoir’s philosophy was dishonest and how she and her guru Sartre were communist useful idiots. Judith Butler, by the way, is inspired by Foucault, which is already discredited by leftist academics. Again, we should focus on demoralizing feminist gurus. We should produce works that will entice common men and women to attack these gurus on the streets, as it happened in Brazil. Debate feminist ideas is a mistake indeed, since it assumes that feminists are using reasonable arguments.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:43 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:
-Brazil is quite different in may ways from the Western world. Religion is still going strong in Brazil. Most of these things can be explained by race differences. The US is moving more in the direction of Brazil-Mexico though, but that`s a separate topic.
> Most of Brazilians live in cosmopolitan cities like São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Still, there is an anti-leftist tide going on in the country, mainly because of conservative intellectuals like Olavo the Carvalho who taught the people why they must fight back.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:43 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:
-I just don`t see how books will do the trick. Young people have short attention spans these days, and the info is certainly out there on anti-Feminism in more accessible forms. We could write a book yes, but Amazon etc. would not sell it, and few if any would read it.
> Books should target those who read: journalists, academics, jurists. They are the opinion-makers and common people will think based on what they say. If we demoralize feminist gurus, opinion-makers will start fearing to associate their image with feminism. As Saul Alinsky said, ridicule is man's most potent weapon. Just remember what happened with traditionalism. Journalist fear mentioning traditionalist ideas. Why? Because opinion-makers started reading Adorno, Derrida, Foucault.
Quote: (08-09-2018 10:43 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:
On the other hand, I believe in trash in = trash out. Just like you want to be careful what you put into your body, you want to be careful how you nourish your mind.
A little dose of promiscuity is necessary to fight any battle. If you get scary and paralyzed by looking at the adversary, you already lost. It is like fighting Medusa. Maybe all we need is showing a mirror to the adversary.
Quote: (08-09-2018 11:59 PM)greekgod Wrote:
Thread title immediately brought to mind this comparable argument idea: Should we utilize used tampons as a source of blood for transfusions?
OP, I understand your sentiment as I've had similar thoughts in the past. However, the premise misses the forest for the trees. By attempting to counter something, you're in someones frame. In this case, that frame is MSM, TPTB, Hollywood, Higher Ed just to name a few. You simply cannot counter those forces on argument by argument basis. And you shouldn't want to.
How many happy feminists do you know? I don't know many. They got a problem for every solution.
The movement was founded by a bunch of ugly lebsians who couldn't get no farmer John to fill their baby trough with a corn stalk to produce more farmers. And this is back when everyone got married. Man you got to be a cut off the old ugly stick to have that type of outcome.
You mention its out obligation to write counter work.
No, young grasshopper, it is not.
It is your choice to live a life in such a way which demonstrates the folly rejecting the universes great design of complementary gender roles and the associated biological imperative associated with that. To implement the knowledge you gain in a way which benefits you and those you most care about in the best way possible.
In other words, live a better, more persuasive argument.
If you're trying to throw a better party, you don't go to the neighbors and discuss the merits of coor's light vs bud light. You start a slip n slide and maybe some streaking. Jello wrestling if your feeling ambitious.
Based on your question, your job right now is to define what persuasive party you plan to live. Maybe you'll hit it big and be able to sponsor content creators to mass message that across millions of peoples minds down the road. Who knows?
That's your mission, if you choose to accept it. If you get caught, the RVF secretary will disavow all knowledge of you and your teams existence.
This message will self destruct in 5 seconds.
You raised many very good points. As I said earlier, we should not debate feminists, since this strategy assume their arguments are based on reasoning. We should demoralize feminist gurus in such a way that common men and women will start attacking them on the streets. I know this is rather unthinkable in America, the land of free speech, be we can at least make opinion-makers fear the association of their image with feminism. We should expose the involvement of feminist gurus with pedophilia, sodomy, brainwashing, their practice of plagiarism. Again, as Alinsky said, ridicule is man's most potent weapon. I know it may sound quixotic, but look at the video I posted earlier.
I do think we should live a better, more persuasive argument. However, I think both things are complementary, not substitutes. Indeed, I think most experienced men should incentive boys to read classical literature with great male roles, such as Iliad, Odyssey, The Lusiads etc. We are so lucky that we do not need to write literature with great male roles, these books are already written and they are the best books ever produced. I think this do not eliminate the need for counter work, since this is a public hygiene need. If we don’t do it, life will get more and more impossible. Roosh can’t land on many countries anymore. Soon they will start prohibiting boys of reading the Iliad.
Quote: (08-10-2018 02:43 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:
The Youtube is already a platform where countless channels exist making fun of feminists. And the results of this? Nothing. Gender studies, feminism still being taught and financed by the state everywhere in the world (almost). It still permeates Hollywood and politics and is getting worse, not better.
Reading more of their drivel and "refuting" it is useless. The 4th generation warfare keeps going on. Also Gamergate did not change too much - companies still have diversity officers with immense power (because they have to due to disparate income legality in the US), they still cater to the feminists and many games are going down this path - just more slowly.
And if you think that the 50% inbred violent backwards Islam is a solution, then you should first read the Quran (in chronological order), Sira and some choice Hadiths. Then you should research what happens in Muslim societies over time. Getting rid of feminism with Islam is like curing Syphilis with getting cancer and amputating your legs and one arm.
Youtube channels target feminists. We should target their gurus. If we demoralize feminist ideologues, we break the basis that support gender studies. Racial studies used to be the most popular discipline in the beginning of the twentieth century. It has vanished from universities since Jewish thinkers demoralized racialists. This process was described in The Culture of Critique. I know, the Jews had massive investment and government support. But we can at least end the hegemony of the left.
Gamergate did not change too much because they focused on useful idiots and on little companies that profit from naïve gamers. They didn’t go to the roots of the problem. Later it was discovered that Bill & Mellinda Gates Foundation was sponsoring diversity programs in the gaming industry. Well, Microsoft produces the second most popular console. Why not boycotting it? This would make tech giants fear gamers. Gamergaters has cut only one head of the Hydra.
I don’t think Islam is a solution. I think it is a negative consequence of neutralizing Christianity.
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