Recently, I have started to catch on Youtube TED and TEDx talks. I hear them when I'm driving in my car to and from work, especially if I'm alone.
I came across the following talk:
The giest
"The claim that the female orgasm is just as natural and should be just as expected as the male orgasm is a controversial one, because society conditions us to regard the female orgasm as something extra.
Grace Wetzel, a junior at St. Lawrence University, explains the phenomenon known as the orgasm gap and explores the straight woman's sexual experience. Grace Wetzel is a junior at St. Lawrence University with a Psychology major, a Biology Minor, and a Gender & Sexuality Studies Minor.
Grace has a passion for intersectional feminism and social justice. Her long-term dream is to change the stigmas and inequalities surrounding the female sexual experience."
OK, I know you are now thinking: "WTF is wrong with you? Arguing with feminists and SJW is a waste of time". Normally , I agree. However, I decided to debunk the arguments stated in the talk. Not all of them, though. Just like in the Eastwood movie - there is the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
The Good
She actually has nailed (pun intended) some of the topics, that we all come to agree upon:
1. Sex is not just penetration - She actually nails it pretty fast (2:16). When a girl tells you her N-Count is X, she probably refers to P2V action. But if she gave BJs that would move that number way up.
2. Guys, and girls, don't have enough knowledge on how the female body works - Been there, done that (pun again intended). Guys know their body pretty well, but I have come across many girls who were semi-clueless on how their body (sexualy) works. I had girls convinced that they can only climax from oral sex, or a certain position (That proved in most cases wrong, not to mention training an LTR to orgasm on your favorite positions).
3. (One of ) The purpose(s) of sex (for females) is pleasure - Always keep that in mind. Females expect pleasure and want it. I see Blue-Pill guys almost always missing this point. This means, to some extent, that there is a burden of performance on me (the man), since we know that girls expect things just to "happen on their own" (=w/o them doing anything apart from showing up).
4. Women should ask for pleasure - Look, if I'm with a women, and want to keep her around, for whatever reason (SEX, Dah!) then I want her to enjoy it. I, and I believe most of us, would rather have the female enjoy the sex as well. But if you are in bed with someone who doesn't help you (And most of us have been there, lying on top of a silent "rock") then you do what you can and move on. I make a habit of telling girls that I expect them to ask for what they want, but reserve the right to refuse (just like they have the right to say "NO").
5. "Women were 56% less likely to have an orgasm in a first hookup than in a committed relationship" - Spread the news, encourage the girls to move out of hookup culture - "No orgasm for you".
If the message could only resonate more in the MSM, we would have far less hookups.
The Bad
1. "Straight women have a very different experience with sex then straight men" (0:50) - Let's ignore the critical fact that men have 8-10 times more testosterone, and want sex in frequencies which are 2-4 times more. Even so, we are talking about a different body, with different needs. Why should it be the same?
Women are sellers and men are buyers of sex. The seller always has a different experience of the process, then the buyer. This of course comes from the Blank Slate Egalitarianism that feminists side with (when it is convenient ). So it's either men should have the experience of women or the other way around. I have no idea how that works.
2. Fake orgasm = putting the man's pleasure above the women - NO, NO and NO again. Fake orgasm usually means that the women wants to end the hassle of transnational sex (Giving the Beta something to keep getting the resources). It's not that her orgasm is less important, it is that continue to enjoy the man's resources is a priority.
The Ugly
1. "Asking for pleasure comes with the assumption that you deserve it" -
That is so dumb, only a feminist can think that. So you only ask for things you "deserve"? How would one know if one deserves something?
This send the message that females are entitled to orgasms. So the next step is legislating it into the penal code (pun once again intended). If she deserves it and you did not give it to her then you'll need to cough up some cash (that will give her a different kind of orgasm).
2. "It can be hard to ask to something from your partner when that person is making that act feels like an inconvenience or chore" - You just described how hundreds of million of men feel when they want to have sex. Really?
How about equalizing accessibility to sex, and then let's take care of the "orgasm gap"?
3. "A lot of time women feel like they just can't ask" (10:53) - So you are stating the problem, but no solution?
How about that - If someone wants something they ask for it. They might get it, or they might not. If you don't come up with a solution, then it is implied that someone else (=the man) has to figure it out. So it's my fault again, is it?
And one last thing
There is an underlying assumption, that come from the Egalitarian ideology - that the male orgasm is equal to the female one.
Anecdotal evidence - I have witnessed girls go crazy and lose their shit after an orgasm. I have seen girls orgasm for over a minutes. I have seen them cry and emote. That does not happen every time, but it happens a lot.
Me on the other hand, and it's only anecdotal, have never gone so far.
So maybe, just maybe, as she states at 13:00 "the experience of pleasure is different for every person". And that difference is that the female orgasm is far more intensive then the male one, and therefore may not be compared
I came across the following talk:
The giest
"The claim that the female orgasm is just as natural and should be just as expected as the male orgasm is a controversial one, because society conditions us to regard the female orgasm as something extra.
Grace Wetzel, a junior at St. Lawrence University, explains the phenomenon known as the orgasm gap and explores the straight woman's sexual experience. Grace Wetzel is a junior at St. Lawrence University with a Psychology major, a Biology Minor, and a Gender & Sexuality Studies Minor.
Grace has a passion for intersectional feminism and social justice. Her long-term dream is to change the stigmas and inequalities surrounding the female sexual experience."
OK, I know you are now thinking: "WTF is wrong with you? Arguing with feminists and SJW is a waste of time". Normally , I agree. However, I decided to debunk the arguments stated in the talk. Not all of them, though. Just like in the Eastwood movie - there is the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
The Good
She actually has nailed (pun intended) some of the topics, that we all come to agree upon:
1. Sex is not just penetration - She actually nails it pretty fast (2:16). When a girl tells you her N-Count is X, she probably refers to P2V action. But if she gave BJs that would move that number way up.
2. Guys, and girls, don't have enough knowledge on how the female body works - Been there, done that (pun again intended). Guys know their body pretty well, but I have come across many girls who were semi-clueless on how their body (sexualy) works. I had girls convinced that they can only climax from oral sex, or a certain position (That proved in most cases wrong, not to mention training an LTR to orgasm on your favorite positions).
3. (One of ) The purpose(s) of sex (for females) is pleasure - Always keep that in mind. Females expect pleasure and want it. I see Blue-Pill guys almost always missing this point. This means, to some extent, that there is a burden of performance on me (the man), since we know that girls expect things just to "happen on their own" (=w/o them doing anything apart from showing up).
4. Women should ask for pleasure - Look, if I'm with a women, and want to keep her around, for whatever reason (SEX, Dah!) then I want her to enjoy it. I, and I believe most of us, would rather have the female enjoy the sex as well. But if you are in bed with someone who doesn't help you (And most of us have been there, lying on top of a silent "rock") then you do what you can and move on. I make a habit of telling girls that I expect them to ask for what they want, but reserve the right to refuse (just like they have the right to say "NO").
5. "Women were 56% less likely to have an orgasm in a first hookup than in a committed relationship" - Spread the news, encourage the girls to move out of hookup culture - "No orgasm for you".
If the message could only resonate more in the MSM, we would have far less hookups.
The Bad
1. "Straight women have a very different experience with sex then straight men" (0:50) - Let's ignore the critical fact that men have 8-10 times more testosterone, and want sex in frequencies which are 2-4 times more. Even so, we are talking about a different body, with different needs. Why should it be the same?
Women are sellers and men are buyers of sex. The seller always has a different experience of the process, then the buyer. This of course comes from the Blank Slate Egalitarianism that feminists side with (when it is convenient ). So it's either men should have the experience of women or the other way around. I have no idea how that works.
2. Fake orgasm = putting the man's pleasure above the women - NO, NO and NO again. Fake orgasm usually means that the women wants to end the hassle of transnational sex (Giving the Beta something to keep getting the resources). It's not that her orgasm is less important, it is that continue to enjoy the man's resources is a priority.
The Ugly
1. "Asking for pleasure comes with the assumption that you deserve it" -
That is so dumb, only a feminist can think that. So you only ask for things you "deserve"? How would one know if one deserves something?
This send the message that females are entitled to orgasms. So the next step is legislating it into the penal code (pun once again intended). If she deserves it and you did not give it to her then you'll need to cough up some cash (that will give her a different kind of orgasm).
2. "It can be hard to ask to something from your partner when that person is making that act feels like an inconvenience or chore" - You just described how hundreds of million of men feel when they want to have sex. Really?
How about equalizing accessibility to sex, and then let's take care of the "orgasm gap"?
3. "A lot of time women feel like they just can't ask" (10:53) - So you are stating the problem, but no solution?
How about that - If someone wants something they ask for it. They might get it, or they might not. If you don't come up with a solution, then it is implied that someone else (=the man) has to figure it out. So it's my fault again, is it?
And one last thing
There is an underlying assumption, that come from the Egalitarian ideology - that the male orgasm is equal to the female one.
Anecdotal evidence - I have witnessed girls go crazy and lose their shit after an orgasm. I have seen girls orgasm for over a minutes. I have seen them cry and emote. That does not happen every time, but it happens a lot.
Me on the other hand, and it's only anecdotal, have never gone so far.
So maybe, just maybe, as she states at 13:00 "the experience of pleasure is different for every person". And that difference is that the female orgasm is far more intensive then the male one, and therefore may not be compared
"I love a fulfilling and sexual relationship. That is why I make the effort to have many of those" - TheMaleBrain
"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs
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