Quote: (09-30-2011 02:22 AM)Ami5 Wrote:
Hydrogonian: am looking forward to this second story, with some tips. Am in some deep water so need such a similar help.
Okay, so I'll try to get through the story with the right amount of detail (not too much or too little), and I'll make some comments about the game psychology in-between. But remember, I did not fuck this girl - and so the story payoff isn't incredibly satisfying.
However, I still think its a good example of direct-ish game and what you can accomplish. Other stories may end with bangs, but I don't have a story that is as instructive, game wise, as this one is.
Story
In short, I sat down next to this girl in the grass at a party. We were listening to a band play outside. There was no one between us and the band, as the party wasn't that crowded.
I knew that she had a boyfriend, because I was introduced to them earlier as a couple, but I had no idea where he went off to. He wasn't anywhere to be seen. Little did I know that her boyfriend was the bands guitarist and he was literally ten feet from us, at the front of the small wood platform that they were playing on, staring at me gaming his girlfriend just ten feet away, in the bright 3 pm sunshine, with literally not one other human being between him and us.
But I was oblivious.
That's significant if for nothing but to realize that I was holding nothing back in my body language and game with this girl. The whole party knew what I was doing (remember, not that many people) - in part because she was obviously responding well - even though no one else could hear us. This was brought to my attention when my friend made a comment about it even though he was thirty feet behind us. He thought I was getting laid, from her body language, which I basically was if I had a politically acceptable way to take it further.
So, I'm sure that the boyfriend knew that I was gaming his girlfriend hard, but he was stuck on stage. That's pretty hilarious, if I do say so myself. Although, I try hard not to be a dick to people to their face (if ever) and so I likely wouldn't have gamed her like that if I had known where her boyfriend was.
So, I start talking to his girlfriend, this hot-ish (solid 8-8.5 depending on your criteria) Indian 22 year old. She was pretty damn sexy. Pretty face, long black hair, decent to average body (skinny, but not too skinny, with apple titties, nice ass).
What went down is that I got this girl to admit that she was cheating on her boyfriend (and with whom) within 5-7 minutes. She denied it at first, which is instinct for any woman (doesn't want to be categorized as a slut) but I just kept the frame that I knew what she was up to, and knew her behavior well, and that her antics with other men were essentially useless with me. I wasn't cocky, or judgmental. I stayed cool but wasn't adolescent about it, sort of like a all knowing father, and just sent the message that none of her deception would ever be a match for me, that I would completely emotionally and intellectually (in terms of knowing what she was up to, and what she was about) dominate her, that I was attuned to her sexual freakishness and that I knew that her boyfriend was no match for her. I said all of this with less words, rather than more, but it was all said/implied.
At that point I had her. I knew it and I'm pretty sure she knew it, although I'm not sure if she acknowledged it to herself. I had also been gaming her in other ways through basic charm, but the cheating conversation was another level than just basic charm, and was the game winner. Soon after, I knew that I was ahead, and that nothing better could be accomplished on the grass, so I told her that I'd talk with later and I got up and went and socialized with other people.
Over then next hour, I catch her actually crane her head around people to look at me. She doesn't even realize how obvious she's being, because she's just looking, not talking. And I'm within talking distance. Yup, got her. Skillfully introducing sexual topics, early, is very powerful.
So, I'm getting more drunk and I go inside to piss. The bathroom is in a private bedroom, but there is a steady flow of traffic through the bedroom to use it. So, I'm walking back out through the bedroom and she walks in to use the bathroom. She goes "there you are" and I pat her ass a couple of times, before I hold it, push her against the wall, kiss her neck, and groped her a bit, slowly. Then I break off and walk out of the bedroom and back out to the party.
Why did I break it off and not drag her into the bathroom or stay in the bedroom? Its not really relevant to the instructiveness of the story, but guys will be wondering so:
1. Remember, heavy traffic through the bedroom and into the bathroom. This was a small ranch house, and there was really no where else to go (if there was, I didn't know)
2. Her boyfriend directly outside, and could have come into piss at any moment. Additionally, there were people in the kitchen, right outside of the bedroom, many who were his friends. We were around a corner, the door was open.
3. I'm actually friends with most of these people, including the host / band vocalist, but I didn't know her boyfriend or her. Still, he's in the band with my friends and I didn't want to fuck up relationships, by getting caught, at a party that I was invited to by a friend. So, in short, politics. The drama would have been my fault and I didn't want to be the 'dick'. It wasn't a party I could just leave with no repercussions.
4. I was drunk and not getting caught with our pants down was the best option that I could come up with, if my mind had been sharper, I may have come up with a work around.
That was basically it. My friend kept asking me about it, (I guess it really did look like I was going to bang the hell out of her) but I told him that I was letting it go. At which point he said "good" as he knew the politics of it as well.
Game Summary
Why does convincing a woman to admit her cheating work so well to establish immediate sexual attraction, especially if initially reluctant? (it wouldn't work as well with cavalier crazy sluts who will admit anything).
Well, if you do it with the right tone and demeanor (the omniscient but cool and unconcerned father, essentially, but laid back and ALPHA! Don't lean into her or look for reactions, know when to smile and when to not smile) it accomplishes this:
1. You are introducing the topic of sex very early, in a way that is under the radar (talking about her sexual relationships).
2. You are indicating that you have a great deal of experience, enough to recognize the behavior that she thinks is undercover and that most other guys miss, and that you have dealt with women extensively.
This is being very dominant.
When men miss a woman's deviant behavior, and when women can get away with such things as a matter of will, the man is unwittingly being dominated by the woman. If a woman believes that she can't get away with such things with you (even if she can and you just made a lucky first guess), that makes her feel dominated and much more secure. Women want to feel secure with men. I think being completely stripped bare of her deceptions is very relieving to woman, as she is now with a man that knows her inside and out. She can keep no secrets without great effort, and even then I would be likely to discover them. I think they feel very vulnerable when you create frame that you can see right through them, accurately, and this gets them wet. Remember, you are incisive but not shaming. You just know who she is, without judgment. She knows that she can't get away with anything because you dominate her through your experience, and likely in many other ways, including in the bedroom. I think that this creates a "surrender instinct" in women.
4. Also, I really did caveman her in the bedroom. That was also a BIG part of it. I think she was VERY interested before that, but likely unsure of what to make of me or whether or not I was for real. I NEEDED to caveman her, once I intuited that I could get away with it and that's what she wanted, otherwise I would have failed in the final execution of the attraction stimulated by my provocative conversation.
I'm not an exceptionally good looking guy. As a matter of fact, her boyfriend was taller, younger, slimmer, better looking, and in a band (edit: and white. there was some confusion in the first response below). However, when you learn to push the domination buttons, I don't believe that a woman has control over how wet she gets.
Although her boyfriend had the physical advantage, my behavior toward her illuminated his beta behavior that she was likely before rationalizing away.
I suggest trying this out with women that you just meet, if they have an absent boyfriend. Try to pick up on something that you can turn into an revelation of cheating. If not, try taking a guess anyway. Just accuse her and see what happens. She'll start defending it, sex is the topic, and the game is on. You might be surprised about where it goes.
I'm sure that it can be somehow modified to fit for approaching women without boyfriends. Maybe play a game where you correctly pinpoint her fuck buddy schedule. I don't know, I'll have to think on that a some more.
Post-Script:
I get migraines frequently, sometimes when drinking, and I got one that night about an hour and a half after the bedroom incident. Puked in the woods and passed out. Stay classy, Philadelphia.
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