[a beer is enough]

Never intended to turn this into a personal soap-box but seems like it did. Opinions I have are through life experience of having been on both sides of the fence but my points do stand.

I am out of this thread, it seems like this has turned hostile and personal.

[Rocha]

(08-10-2018 11:14 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Never intended to turn this into a personal soap-box but seems like it did. Opinions I have are through life experience of having been on both sides of the fence but my points do stand.

I am out of this thread, it seems like this has turned hostile and personal.

Seems that a beer is not enough. Get some Cognac, or the marvellous Armenian brandy called Ararat.

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The biography of the first Armenian ARARAT brandy is a history of generosity, passion and craftsmanship
The culture of winemaking in Armenia goes back centuries, and the Armenian brandy that is famous around the world today appeared at the end of the 19th century.

Armenian brandy production was started in 1887 in Yerevan by the merchant and philanthropist Nerses Tairyan, who was the first to introduce classic French alcohol production technology in his factory. He was inspired by his cousin, Vasily Tairov, who was an experienced winemaker and scientist. Nobody else recognised as well as he did nature's gift – the unique conditions of Ararat Valley and the high-quality of the local grapes.

With financial support from friends and relatives, production was fitted with Charante Type distillers and the premises were equipped for ageing spirits. Their entrepreneurial instinct did not fail the brothers, their undertaking became a technological breakthrough and opened new prospects for the brandy business in Armenia.

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The Yerevan Brandy Company was founded in 1887 and by the turn of the century had a burgeoning reputation for quality. The product was so good that at the Grand Exhibition in Paris in 1900, the company won the Grand-Prix, and with it, earned the right to call their brandy “cognac”. As if that weren’t prestige enough, when Churchill met Stalin at Yalta, the communist leader chose ArArAt as the tipple to charm the Brit, famously fond of alcohol. It is said that Churchill regularly ordered crates of ArArAt for the rest of his life. Armenia made 25% of the brandy consumed within the Soviet Union, and the empire’s decline saw the Yerevan Brandy Company fall into peril. However, the company’s purchase by Pernod Richard in 1998 has reinvigorated the industry, despite efforts by the European Union to once again limit the descriptor “cognac” to brandy made within France.

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An undocumented anecdote claims that during the Yalta Conference, Winston Churchill was so impressed with the Armenian brandy Dvin given to him by Joseph Stalin[4] that he asked for several cases of it to be sent to him each year.[5][6][7] Reportedly 400 bottles of Dvin were shipped to Churchill annually.[3][8] This brandy was named in honour of the ancient capital Dvin, and was first produced in 1943.[8]

During a 2013 meeting at his personal villa in Sochi, Russian president Vladimir Putin gave British Prime Minister David Cameron a bottle of Armenian brandy as a gift, recalling Stalin's offering to Churchill in 1945.[9]

See...now you have something interesting to talk with a girl. No need to be a professional bartender...

[Captain Gh]

^^ beer you give me the vibe of someone analyzing Game like it's a STEM subject! It's Not! At this point beer you simply have to stop doing what you're doing & simply approach women left & right since it is The most important thing in your life right now! Keep in mind when posters start bowing out of threads... it means more experienced posters can see something currently sitting "in their blind-spot" Don't know what you're situation is... but unless you're health is in jeopardy... approach women like it's your job. Doing all this analyzing on the Forum... and scratching 2 approaches a week will do you more harm then good!

PS: A word of advice... stop using the word college in any of your future replies. Every time I read one of your post... somehow this word makes the cut! You have to stop living in the Past... and carve your future NOW in the Present.

[a beer is enough]

No need to be anything right, but it does help.

I think mass approaching a waste of time as someone who has done it a lot in the past. Will work on my lifestyle, fight tooth and nail for that side job at a bar or nightclub (ain't easy at all getting it from what I am experiencing so far) and a few months from now will report back with how it goes because that will speak louder than any back and forth going on in this thread.

[doc holliday]

Hallelujah! Finally you're going to take some action and do what you think will work for you. Hopefully you'll actually do what you say you're going to and it'll work out so you can then come back and tell us how much hot 8/9 pussy you slayed over the last few months. Who knows, you might even have stories of a threesome where one chick, the 8, will be screaming "This Bud's for You" and the other, a 9, will be screaming "It's Miller Time" all while you pound them both with your brown Beer dick. Anything other than what you've been doing here would be an improvement.

[RedPillUK]

Well this thread was mildly entertaining.

Hank: This is modern game.

Someone else: No Hank, you don't know what you're talking about THIS is modern game.

Someone else: Actually no, game is about...

Etc. Etc.

[HankMoody]

Alright...

1. Most girls are dating guys in their social circles. Not a dude who walked in a bar, did a neg, then did a little DHV and avoided her LMR with a freeze out. In reality? She is probably dating the dude she works with.

2. I would like to tell you how epic lawyer life is, but in reality I spend most days on the phone with architects, engineers, accountants, IT guys, etc. Not hot women. Usually just pudgy dudes.

3. When I first got into this stuff, Tinder, Bumble, and Instagram were not a thing. Now they are.

4. Your best ROI is your social circle when it comes to women. Bartend, engineer, be an "internet CEO", whatever. But you'll generally date the girls you're around.

5. Yes, there are a lot of women who care about physical charastics.

Anyone who says you just drop by a bar, spit game, and lay dimes on the regular is selling something.

[Rocha]

(08-11-2018 07:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Alright...

1. Most girls are dating guys in their social circles. Not a dude who walked in a bar, did a neg, then did a little DHV and avoided her LMR with a freeze out. In reality? She is probably dating the dude she works with.

2. I would like to tell you how epic lawyer life is, but in reality I spend most days on the phone with architects, engineers, accountants, IT guys, etc. Not hot women. Usually just pudgy dudes.

3. When I first got into this stuff, Tinder, Bumble, and Instagram were not a thing. Now they are.

4. Your best ROI is your social circle when it comes to women. Bartend, engineer, be an "internet CEO", whatever. But you'll generally date the girls you're around.

5. Yes, there are a lot of women who care about physical charastics.

Anyone who says you just drop by a bar, spit game, and lay dimes on the regular is selling something.

Just banged a St Peter slut ))))

[Comte De St. Germain]

(08-11-2018 07:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Alright...

1. Most girls are dating guys in their social circles. Not a dude who walked in a bar, did a neg, then did a little DHV and avoided her LMR with a freeze out. In reality? She is probably dating the dude she works with.

A. Do you want to be most guys?

B. Social Circles are incestuous drama pits that break up frequently and are the reason most women are alone with cats at 30 rather than in groups together with cats at 30. They are looking for any excuse to fuck out. They hate their friends. They hate the men especially and the women even more than that. The only person they don't hate is the person they're fucking at that moment to end the monotony in that group.

C. I'm the cool dude that 8 guys come up and high five or shake hands with. I'm getting eyes from 1 or 2 chicks atleast. And even if I don't any man who dresses well and isn't fat should be able to fuck a random 5. That's the baseline for having your shit together. It's not hard.

D. You are the people you surround yourself with. Stop hanging out with losers. Meet new people. Is that so hard?

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2. I would like to tell you how epic lawyer life is, but in reality I spend most days on the phone with architects, engineers, accountants, IT guys, etc. Not hot women. Usually just pudgy dudes.

You can spend one hour a week volunteering to make connects with regular folk.

You can spend 30 minutes talking up some "up and coming artist" with a fine ass chick that has fake tits and a Skrillex haircut to meet up at some future point. Or invite you to his "art gala"(free beer and easy chicks).

You can spend 5 minutes talking to the bartender and handing him a $20 to make his day so he remembers you. And I can bet my ass that alone if not the ROI in the future can make your day.

I remember a rich friend just slamming $100 on the counter to pay for the first round and the girl next to him immediately opened him. Just because you do this won't mean it happens but it happens.

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3. When I first got into this stuff, Tinder, Bumble, and Instagram were not a thing. Now they are.

What you have without those things are what's important. If you don't have your shit together those things will do nothing but hurt the person using them.

If you can't pull a hot chick without those things good luck pulling with them.

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4. Your best ROI is your social circle when it comes to women. Bartend, engineer, be an "internet CEO", whatever. But you'll generally date the girls you're around.

Refer to point D response to part one. Literally stop hanging around with losers. Your choices will improve. It's that easy. People these days due to cynicism/enjoy sarcasm and the inability to enjoy life(as in so much as a drink without instagramming it for social validation) means people crave real relationships and interactions.

I get hand shakes, high fives, or a hug from my boys not because I'm important to their growth. But I actually care. I take the time to cultivate their lives with good things. And them with me. This has repaid me a thousandfold.

And not just my friends, but all the women in my life. Platonic or otherwise. I take the time to care. And yes even listen occasionally.

Open your heart and your mind to those worth your time. And find them if there are none around. Usually they're right in front of us even but that's that.

Golden people lead to golden opportunity for your own growth and their own. Once that happens their circles open up to you and their friend's circles and so on. "Social circle" is a loose concept that just equals people who trust and like you which is readily available factor to change more than any other if someone actually cared to do so.

But most don't. They'd rather write on Internet forums about how much they hate their job and how it affords them no opportunity to do shit rather than make time to do it.

It's the same kind of person who looks forward to the weekend so they can laze about. And is overly excited about their local sportsball team to the point that it defines them as a person.

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5. Yes, there are a lot of women who care about physical charastics.

Anyone who says you just drop by a bar, spit game, and lay dimes on the regular is selling something.

Women want to fuck just as much as us. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a puritan. Sometimes being the right person at the right time is all you need.

Speak up. Say something. You don't need the lifted truck or the platform shoes so you can be 6'. Be the best you possible once your removed the simping/pedestalization from your head among other obvious improvements.

[Noir]

The whole fun is part of not knowing the girl and having an adventure within a few hours.

It's not about selling anything to you, it's about putting your balls and personality on the line while you connect with a more primal side of yourself.

Social circle works. Cold approach works. Again, it's not BINARY, you can do both.

Just because one works better than the other for YOU doesn't make it impossible.

Yet again, more limiting beliefs assuaging the insecurities of others.

Some people want to learn but most prefer to be 'right'.

Wednesday: Social circle example in my previous post with an 8 and a 9.

Thursday: Cold approach with a German 7, hooked up.

Used my new favourite opener, stand next to the girl with your friend and start talking while looking at her.
She looks over and you motion towards her and shake your head - "we're not talking about you, promise" -> engage -> "well actually you're kinda cute" -> start talking about her.

Friday: Stayed in and watched some football

Saturday: Booty call (wasn't feeling well so she came over)

This is in 4 days and all different types of women met through different avenues.

It's doable. Some are preferable than others depending on how much time you put in.

Your ROI is defined by your ideal outcome, not percentage rate.

Do you want sex? Do you want connection? (ideally we want both)

As Comte mentions, there's a difference between a great social circle where you have hot girls bringing your girls and cold approach.

Social circle: you are vouched for and she will ignore the other guys she doesn't know

Cold approach: you are mysterious and screening for a different kind of girl

Social circle: local socialites and hotties to boost my own status

Cold approach: foreign hotties to 'scratch my itch'

Social circle: let's meet at Xs and have some drinks, board games, smoke some bud and maybe go out after

Cold approach: approach women during my lunch break (at shops, bank, wherever) because I don't interact with too many women by virtue of my career

YOU CAN HAVE BOTH!

They are complimentary and it depends on what the individual is looking for.

As for the work example etc. it's pretty much convenience game due to frequency of interactions and the prolonged nature of comfort. This is the de-facto 'game' for most people.

[HankMoody]

I'm not against cold approaching. I think it's fun as hell. I enjoy the shit out it, because it plays to my strength - the gift of gab.

However, people have to understand that it's not magic. These DHVs, negs, IOIs make for good books. Most guys with girlfriends or wives met them in their social circle.

Personally I think pickup and cold approaches are fun as hell. I don't even care about getting blown out anymore -- chances are I'll just laugh at her if she's rude. Worst scenario I met some new people.

Dollar for dollar, it's way more efficient to date girls in your social circle. Even more if your social has a lot of hot girls in it.

Again, I am not against cold approaches. They are way more fun than "long game." But most dudes I know with hot girlfriends met them via their social network, not randomly in a bar.

Exception: online dating, sort of. But even that often has a level of having to build comfort and rapport, usually.

[Fortis]

Personally, I think you guys are giving A Beer Is Enough way too much airtime. Guy has an omega male mindset. All the actionable advice out there won't help.

[Lowkey]

I used to have this mindset when i was about 14 years old and younger, I think that something nerve-wrecking most happen to you before any change can happen. When i was arrested for the first time. It made me realize life's not that scary and women certainly are not.

[kaotic]

(08-11-2018 04:26 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Well this thread was mildly entertaining.

Hank: This is modern game.

Someone else: No Hank, you don't know what you're talking about THIS is modern game.

Someone else: Actually no, game is about...

Etc. Etc.

Just going to leave a crass passive aggressive comment or actually provide some insight into what you think game is?



I have some more responses for beer and his mindset especially his comments on my Dan Bilzerian thread.

We might be giving him too much airtime but I think it'll be helpful to him and to others who feel in the same box.

I have a busy weekend so I'll write more later.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I don't agree that girls only date inside their social circle, hank. Do you think Tinder hookups qualify as social circle? And app hookups certainly are "modern". I can say that probably 99 percent of my bangs were from outside my circle. I prefer it this way because it reduces chances of blowback.

[Incubus]

When I went to the clubs in the late 70's it was expected girls would show up with there circle of friends I don't see much has changed since.
I have too say I would never brag I binged watched "Gilligans Island" all weekend (every weekend) like chicks do for T,V now (basically what it is) but for chicks it's just admitting what is historical..they don't go out much and never have.

There are lots of guys here that are in different stages of there lives and with different chick goals
a 20 yr old guy will perhaps be in a FWB groups but wants strange
a 30 y old guy may feel excluded from the 20 yr old group(s) and not interested in chicks in his age range.
a 40 and above guy doesn't give a fuck and just looking for strays from the entire women's age spectrum (herd).

What has changed is chicks are confused more than ever on the only thing that matters to them "relationships" or bonding (the beta males aren't confused they just gave up)
Chicks are more isolated now and can be in a group but still isolated within the group by the phone.
Chicks are more lonelier now, enter a dog/cat and tattoo's/body mutilation to express themselves (hey look at me for fuck sake I exist)
Divorce is 100 percent likely and each chick thinks it will probably happen to them ( they get a controllable doormat male that is a "safe bet". ugly geek)
Chicks are either on legal or illegal drugs (I just assume now) they all think they have real mental issues.
Low self esteem, low self worth, immature and most have lost their best ability...verbal skills.

Hank has observed the cause and effect of the new society on women. The only thing to do is adapt to it and adjust the approach.
My approach starts with a few never changing things about women (back to the basic's) which is wanting (needing) to be liked and sincere flattery. ALL women like confident men preferably taller than them
The next is today's women put themselves into tiny bubbles for their own sanity all a guy needs to do is figure out how to get into each specific type of girls bubble. (working girl...college girl..divorce girl...marriage minded girl...religious girl...e.t.c)

My thinking on dating and hookup APP's is it's the woman that want them (and world wide it's women that are the predominate users for various reasons...marriage being one) I have met more than enough chicks that ask me if I'm on this or that kind of APP to know I'm either a Luddite or IT's the girls that are continuously evolving to the next best thing to meet a guy.
I say this because men like to go out to hunt (local bar or the mall or beach) and there is something about chasing, seeing, touching and smelling the prey that is exciting (and worthwhile) than dull right or left swipes or lying to some hippo on a date site

This is a huge subject regardless I just touched on a little portion

[Alpha_Ambitionz]

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I'll offer my perspective as someone who comes from the white collar world which is full of young men that are financially well off and doing well in so many ways. The reality is that it is extremely rare to find players in that world compared to the DJ, bartender and photographer world. Now this can turn into a chicken or egg debate, do guys working in nightlife naturally gravitate towards the hedonistic lifestyle or does working in nightlife push them into it?

An excellent point was made on this thread about women wanting to belong to a certain world or belong to a certain scene. Girls fuck DJs like the story which Noir shared because they see what that lifestyle is about, it gives them glamour and these guys naturally have access to that kind of a scene with attractive women.

But the reason Hank is so well loved is the question that alludes most of us on here working white collar jobs, how the hell can you even get anything close to that?

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Why would some DJ want to be friends with some random white collar guy?

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.

Beer, I feel like I have a lot of the same hang-ups as you.

I always wonder, “If I started a corporate job in a new city where I don’t know anyone, then what would I do to create a high-end social circle from scratch?”

The only way I can think of is going out every weekend with the sole purpose of talking to as many people as possible.

This includes the bartenders, the doormen, and the promoters. The best looking groups of girls. The best looking groups of guys. The best looking groups of guys and girls.

Overtime, you may start seeing the same people over and over, and if they really like you, they may invite you to hangout with them.

I mostly run day game, but I did spend a couple of years in college experimenting with night game.

Here are some examples where cold approach gave me the opportunity to bond with various social circles:

1. I was on the bus, heading to the bar solo. I saw a cute girl in the seats next to me, hanging out with her beta guy friends. I proceed to chat her up quite directly, and after awhile, she mentions that she has a boyfriend. Her guy friends saw how confident I was, chatted me up, and invited me to grab drinks with them. I politely declined and continued to roll to the bar solo.

2. I direct approached a cute blonde at the bar once. Her friends started laughing and we all ended up getting to know one another. I was beta back then (still am) and the chick clearly wasn’t down for me, so I just ended up getting friend zoned by her friends. Too bad. I remember having them all over one time to pre-drink before a concert. Plus, it was nice going to the bar sometimes and using them as a sort of “home base” while I approached other girls.

3. One time, I found myself at a food truck festival while vacationing in San Francisco. It was getting late so I decided that it would be a good idea to start heading to the bars. I literally went around the entire festival opening mixed sets with the exact same line: “excuse me, do you know any good nightlife spots around here?” I think I must’ve opened around 20 sets before a group of hot girls were like, “yeah, we’re heading there right now. you can come with us.” They ended up drinking me up at the bar before I peeled off to approach other sets.

There’s many more examples that I can think of off the top of my head, but the above scenarios demonstrate how it is possible to penetrate social circles through cold approach. You just have to be ready to talk to EVERYONE.

Moving back home after college has turned me into a little bitch: I pretty much just run lone-wolf day game now and hang out with my family. I hope to get a better job in a cheaper city while I work on my location-independent business. This way, I’ll be more motivated to meet new people who are involved in nightlife, as I’ll be completely alone if I don’t.

I’ve also thought a lot about expanding my current interests in order to meet more people, as most of my hobbies are solitary pursuits.

(08-05-2018 09:13 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 05:51 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Gotcha, I didn't have a chance to read the entire thread.

Rocha hit the nail on the head.

Common sense will tell you guys who hang around where "hot girls" flock are going to end up banging them more than a guy who doesn't. So obviously finding hot girls elsewhere and develop some new hobbies where different types of high quality women are having fun - i.e. salsa/cooking classes, social activity groups (i.e. running/cycling), or even church. Otherwise, the only way you're going to bang hot sloots at the club is by hanging out every night at that club. Not exactly greatness or noteworthy. Can't have it all.

Hank's original post was spot on as it explains all that. I don't see where the disconnect is. Couple buddies of mine have real full time jobs and bartend / work in the industry part-time on the side. Best of both worlds.

A lot of men won't like cooking, church, and cycling, and probably won't particpate in those activities to meet women.

At the same thing, men here should recognize that they will have to do something they dont enjoy to meet more women.

But doesn’t that contradict the notion that men shouldn’t choose hobbies based on women?

For example, if you were to start going to yoga, what would your mindset be behind it?

Would you tell yourself that you’re going solely for the women? Or would you convince yourself that you’re going for the physical and mental benefits (e.g., increased flexibility and decreased stress), and that if you meet a girl, that’s great, but if you don’t, then that’s great as well?

Some classes that I’ve thought of taking are: cooking, meditating, and French.

I already cook and meditate, but why not further my skills in the presence of others? And since I live in Canada, learning French would increase my geographical freedom, while allowing me to converse with more people.

At the end of the day, loners like me must put in the work to build a social circle from scratch, whether this be through cold approach, trying out new activities, or getting into the nightlife industry.

[Mizo1234]

Thread lost direction . Hope it gets closed soon

[kaotic]

(08-10-2018 07:00 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I might have had the flak coming for making this thread about myself because it resonated so well with me.

Guys want to have their cake and eat it too.

Fact of the matter is I love what I do, it is interesting stuff that requires a degree and a brain to do and I find it interesting. I genuinely take some pleasure in reading some good intellectual works and having in-depth conversations with some friends. Quite a few guys on game communities are like this, that is what drove them to game communities in the first place. They were not hammering shot after shot at the age of 16 and acting like idiots, they actually had intellectual curiosities.

Now there is this idea on this thread that you can be this fulfilled man who is true to his life journey and hot women will come in, this is just not true.

This is literally ENTITLEMENT - just because you work your ass off doesn't mean shit will come easy, you have to fight for it.

Just because your bankroll is good at a boring white collar job, doesn't mean you don't need to learn game and to learn how to spit game with women.

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Plenty of smart guys true to their life journey have no luck with hot girls because their journey does not line up with what hot girls find hot. I know we have this whole alpha type of be yourself mindset but this is the male equivalent of a fat bitch telling herself that she is as hot as a supermodel and it is society's beauty standard that is fucked.

You have to understand super smart dudes are the outliers who come with flaws, as in they get autistic or aspies or obsessed with their job or hobby, they could give a fuck less about women or even grooming.

Alpha "type" is more than just be yourself type of mindset.

You're still not understanding this.

Beauty standards of women =/= an "alpha" type mindset.

I hate using the term alpha.

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You can be true to your "life purpose" and all that jazz but don't be shocked if you struggle with women because your life purpose does not line up to that.

You life purpose should be MORE than just your career or women.

If it's only obsessing of how to get hot women, you'll be completely behind in other parts of your life.

I've had this conversation where I'm killing it with girls but behind with career choices - and my RVF buddy is in the opposite part of his life. We definitely can relate and bond over that.

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Getting hot girls is a lifestyle and skill on its own, it is up to you to decide whether you want it.

I frankly don't think, from personal experience, that cold approach and "game" are enough. They help but they're far from enough. You have to invest time to strategize and do things about this very topic of getting hot girls and fucking them instead of sticking to his bullshit of it magically happening because you found your life purpose. Nikolai Tesla found his life purpose with his intelligence, he died a virgin.

Once again getting hot girls is more than a lifestyle, it's not a separate niche from other aspects of your life.

That's another thing I'm trying to hammer home, cold approaching/game/online will never be enough, which is why you need focus on self realization, self help, and self love.

Fun fact, Nikola tesla had a fucked up childhood and also had mental health problems as well as them being hereditary, so once again, super smart but super fucked up.

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As for myself.

I have looked for jobs at a bar, they're not easy to get at the decent bars which says how much guys want them for the pussy.

And as for Kaotic's comment, you should be working more than 40-50 hrs a week in your 20s anyways, you have all the energy in the world. I find a job with social proof to be far more beneficial than spam approaching girls as a random guy and potentially earning a bad reputation at a spot if your game is not on point that night.

No ill will or anything, I know I've whined because this thread digs so deep with me and my own life. I just hope guys can see where I come from with my posts.

I still don't understand why you're going to be working at a bar.

You realize the house can be shit, the pay not great, dealing with drunk patrons, it's not all it's cut out to be.

Not to mention I'll bet it'll lower productivity at your current job because you'll be spread more thin than ever.


Then there's you comments on Dan - a subject which has been beaen to death on here.

(08-10-2018 11:13 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

If this is a game forum, when did we turn into player haters and why can't we just be happy for the dude?

Who the fuck cares how you fuck a ton of hotties? If you fuck them, you fuck them.

When did it become so crazy to judge a man based on his results?

I respect Dan Bilzerian more than the guys talking about game because his results actually prove that he has been in some hot pussy, its that simple. If we aren't talking results, what are we wasting our time on exactly? Philosophy? A college psychology lecture? Some pseudo-Zen shit?

None of us are hating on him, but we're EXPLAINING why things are DIFFERENT for him than is for the 99.9% rest of us.

Actually there's plenty of guys who talk game who back it up, I've met some of them and they're 100% lady killers.

That last part sounds like incel frustration dude, that isn't healthy at all man, and wreak of game denialism.

As Eugenics told you:

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They're playing a different game and it's clearly one you don't understand.

You still don't understand that you will NEVER be in Dan's shoes or even near it, UNTIL you become a stupid successful baller or fall into a few mill.

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At the end of the day, who cares if he comes off as fake or not, getting hot pussy is getting hot pussy. Most of the guys preaching about game would drop on both knees to get a date with the quality of women this guy gets, its worth respecting.

I think its a VERY important to distinct what's real and what's fake and HOW a man got there.

It's alot like those PUA's who post fake videos of paid girls that they pick up, it's all snake oil and fake.

Most of the guys UNDERSTAND what Dan is doing and know there's not a chance in hell that guys can replicate what he does.

Sure his lifestyle is fucking awesome but UNREALISTIC in reality.

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That's how the real world works, results matter above all else, Dan has them and most guys who claim to be game experts do not. I don't care for this whole real value stuff because in context of results, a lot of "real value" will rarely get you threesomes with girls of model looks.

Save the morals for church, game is meant to be immoral and a lot of it is fake, Dan just found a damn good way to play it and unless someone has results that match his, why should anyone bother to listen?

NO, that's NOT how the real world works, Dan doesn't live in the real world, he never did.

Dan has results because of a massive advantage that almost all of us will never have in a lifetime.

You should care for the real values and lessons in learning game and having to apply it to the REAL world.

Your obsession in swimming in a pool of pussy of 9's and 10's is BLINDING you to the real world.

You're literally living on fantasy island with unrealistic expectations.

Then get angry and frustrated because you THINK you're ENTITLED to it.

Your approach and view to game is only going to leave you jaded and even more angry because you're not getting any results.

Plenty of men on here have given you advice, plenty of men on here have offered to help.

(08-10-2018 11:14 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Never intended to turn this into a personal soap-box but seems like it did. Opinions I have are through life experience of having been on both sides of the fence but my points do stand.

I am out of this thread, it seems like this has turned hostile and personal.

You've been complaining in multiple threads on the forum, this isn't just the first time we're hearing of it, plenty of men on the forum have pointed this out.

This thread has been critical of you for good reason and good advice has been given. So of course it's going to be personal.

You can't see criticism as hostile, that's an unfair assessment.



I'll reiterate - you've been given tons of advice, tons of action items, and tons of point of views.

It's on you to act on this, and no getting a job at a bar isn't a move in the right direction (at least at first).

You need no work on yourself, your inner game, self realization, and self love.


Your obsession of a Dan Bilzarian lifestyle and comparing your life to his, is TOXIC.

(08-12-2018 11:26 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

Thread lost direction . Hope it gets closed soon

Disagree, there's ALOT a guy can learn from this:

-What mindset to have and not have
-Why we shouldn't idolize false idols, but can learn certain things from them.
-How we should view ourselves
-How different games work for different guys

The list goes on.

[justforfun19713]

^ One of the better posts I have seen in a long time. Nicely done, Kaotic... Nicely done.

[RedPillUK]

(08-12-2018 01:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 04:26 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Well this thread was mildly entertaining.

Hank: This is modern game.

Someone else: No Hank, you don't know what you're talking about THIS is modern game.

Someone else: Actually no, game is about...

Etc. Etc.

Just going to leave a crass passive aggressive comment or actually provide some insight into what you think game is?

Maybe my comment was passive aggressive but I don't see how it was crass.

As I said this is just one guy saying what game is followed by another guy. It's a silly little contest that I don't want to get involved in. When does it end? When Roosh comes in and posts his entire book about game?

Also we have a whole subforum here about game so it's unneccesary. That's why I'm not posting my thoughts about game. I will somewhere else.

[Cobra]

(08-13-2018 03:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

kaotic's EPIC post telling "a beer is enough" to wake the fuck up.

[kaotic]

(08-13-2018 06:40 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Maybe my comment was passive aggressive but I don't see how it was crass.

As I said this is just one guy saying what game is followed by another guy. It's a silly little contest that I don't want to get involved in. When does it end? When Roosh comes in and posts his entire book about game?

Also we have a whole subforum here about game so it's unneccesary. That's why I'm not posting my thoughts about game. I will somewhere else.

Discussing game experiences, game theory, and thought processes are important.

It IS necessary to discuss, because people need to see why the logic is flawed and to bring negative thinking to light and show reasons why one should change.

It's no wonder why you think it's "silly".

You should probably stick to posting in the everything else and politics threads like you usually do then.

It's always guys like you who jump into the game section, make some lame statement, then are shocked when someone calls you out.

That shits lame, at least contribute something of value or describe your own experiences, way more positive than a passive aggressive comment.

[RedPillUK]

(08-13-2018 07:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Discussing game experiences, game theory, and thought processes are important.

It IS necessary to discuss, because people need to see why the logic is flawed and to bring negative thinking to light and show reasons why one should change.

Obviously. Why else would I be here on the Roosh V forum reading the game section? I never disagreed with that.

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It's no wonder why you think it's "silly".

Why is it no wonder I in particular would think it's silly?

I think a bunch of posters criticising Hank and then arguing with each other about how to condense game into one post or thread is silly, yes. Not saying discussing game is silly.

First you misuse the word crass, then you take my words as an attack on discussing game itself? What do you think I'm doing here all the time?
Cmon Kaotic, keep up.

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You should probably stick to posting in the everything else and politics threads like you usually do then.

It's always guys like you who jump into the game section, make some lame statement, then are shocked when someone calls you out.

That shits lame, at least contribute something of value or describe your own experiences, way more positive than a passive aggressive comment.

Wait? What? Where's all this coming from? Did I say something to offend you? Guys like me? It's guys like you who get offended over nothing.

I'm guessing you didn't see me describe my own experiences in the high school thread in the newbie forum just yesterday, or any other pieces of advice I've posted here.

[Cobra]

(08-10-2018 11:14 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Never intended to turn this into a personal soap-box but seems like it did. Opinions I have are through life experience of having been on both sides of the fence but my points do stand.

I am out of this thread, it seems like this has turned hostile and personal.

Beer, everything you need to know about game and transforming your lifestyle is in kaotic's post above. I can't add much to that and neither can anyone else I know. I've given you advice before as well. All I can say at this point is what I say to every other newbie that won't wake up. Start a self-improvement thread, document your actions, statistics, accomplishments, blowouts, failures, etc. There are many examples out there. If you can't do this to help yourself, why should we help you? Trust me, this is a helping hand, not an ultimatum. That said, see it however you will.

Some different perspectives on the topic of this thread. I think beer said that he respects Dan Blizerian more than the married guy with kids. That's fine but I disagree. Maybe this is a broken record but there are many complaints about women not reproducing or being feminine on one end and on another end, no one wants to reproduce with them. So why blame the guy that is reproducing with them? Sleeping with random women does have an end when it stops contributing to your value as a man. There has to be a clear distinction between the "beta" sap who shacks up with an ugly hag VERSUS the upstanding masculine guy that marries a feminine woman and raises strong children. The latter get mixed in with the former and hence, shown a lower amount of respect implicitly.

My point: The guy that is leaving behind a strong legacy EVEN TODAY, by guiding his children and helping them become strong leaders in the future is more worthy of my respect and has MORE GAME to me than someone like Dan who capitalizes on fame and does not add the same type of value. I have nothing against him but to actually provide someone like that respect would be something I would more closely assess if I meet him or understand him better as a human being, not by watching girls do coke off his asscrack.

Personal reference: I've been married for 11 years now, have 3 great kids, found game after marriage, got obsessive about it and made some stupid mistakes, learned from them, and now realize what I had before and what I still have is much better and more fulfilling than what I can get from pursuing random women that don't do much for me. The value of these "randoms" is very low in my book, to the extent that at some times, I don't even value a simple conversation with them. It's something I still struggle with reconciling and if I do it successfully, I know that I will be a happy man. That day, I will consider myself to have good game or maybe it will be "modern" game.

There was a time when I didn't understand a "player" that I met off the forum when he approached and banged hot women. At that time, I was disillusioned with my "ball and chain" and couldn't convey what I have as something valuable and fulfilling, even if I tried. Then I got to a point that I understood game mechanics and got better at it. I then got to a point when I started making more value comparisons between this life I pursued versus the life I built. I suddenly started to realize through this process that I was over-valuing something. I truly realized how green, or dry for that matter this grass on the other side is.