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An FAQ on Modern Game

An FAQ on Modern Game

Quote: (08-04-2018 05:51 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Gotcha, I didn't have a chance to read the entire thread.

Rocha hit the nail on the head.

Common sense will tell you guys who hang around where "hot girls" flock are going to end up banging them more than a guy who doesn't. So obviously finding hot girls elsewhere and develop some new hobbies where different types of high quality women are having fun - i.e. salsa/cooking classes, social activity groups (i.e. running/cycling), or even church. Otherwise, the only way you're going to bang hot sloots at the club is by hanging out every night at that club. Not exactly greatness or noteworthy. Can't have it all.

Hank's original post was spot on as it explains all that. I don't see where the disconnect is. Couple buddies of mine have real full time jobs and bartend / work in the industry part-time on the side. Best of both worlds.

A lot of men won't like cooking, church, and cycling, and probably won't particpate in those activities to meet women.

At the same thing, men here should recognize that they will have to do something they dont enjoy to meet more women.
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A lot of men won't like cooking, church, and cycling, and probably won't particpate in those activities to meet women.

At the same thing, men here should recognize that they will have to do something they dont enjoy to meet more women.

Spot on. As I posted in another thread, if we believe men and women to be wired differently and expect them to have different interests, then why do we so casually throw around the idea of "just go about your business doing what you like and you'll meet women along the way"?

I'm not saying that men shouldn't do things they don't fully enjoy to meet women -- but that is time that could have been spent doing other self-improvement-oriented activities.
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I'm not so sure what topic is being discussing in here anymore. Is this about game vs. limiting beliefs? Professions that are good for meeting women? Looks vs. game? This thread is getting hard to follow.

A lot of folks over-complicate hooking up with women. Too much reading and not enough doing. Too much thinking and theory and not enough practice and application.

Rule #1 is that you are #1. Women are at most #2.
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A lot of folks over-complicate hooking up with women. Too much reading and not enough doing. Too much thinking and theory and not enough practice and application.

Maybe because I've been fed enough bullshit my whole life (not just with game and women) and want to find the truth for a change.

Maybe sometimes the way to discover the truth is thinking and theory.

Frankly I'm a bit jaded when I see people on forums give out game advice with no self-awareness of how it must be tailored to each individual person's situation (lifestyle feasibility) and personality (is it congruent for someone with a different personality to say the same line?).
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Quote: (08-05-2018 11:04 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I'm not so sure what topic is being discussing in here anymore. Is this about game vs. limiting beliefs? Professions that are good for meeting women? Looks vs. game? This thread is getting hard to follow.

A lot of folks over-complicate hooking up with women. Too much reading and not enough doing. Too much thinking and theory and not enough practice and application.

Rule #1 is that you are #1. Women are at most #2.

Its because the thread is erroneously labeled / mis-represented as a "game" thread....It isn't.

An accurate treatise on "modern" game should really just be an updated collection of "tactical" information.

If viewed "strategically" or from a macro level, then game principles are the same as they ever were.

You look down from high enough and "Game" is nothing more than understanding human nature: specifically motivations

Lets go all the way up: There are only two human motivations.

Fear and Desire (yes...here I go again)

Let me repeat that. Fear and Desire are the only two motivations humans have (they are in constant conflict).

Once fully grasped and internalized this concept becomes a tool for all your human interactions

[Image: giphy.gif]

The first key to gaming women is to truly understand the point where the female psyche and the male psyche (specifically psycho sexual attraction to arousal sequences) diverge.

By default they start at the same place. The visual / physical.

But the sequences almost immediately diverge because men and women's Desire / Fear "programming" is "coded" differently by biology / evolution / God .

His (our) most basic "attraction" code can be expressed simply

Physical > Emotional

Hers

Emotional > Physical

This can be seen manifested in may ways.

Example:

"Men fall in love with the women they are attracted to"

Conversely

"Women are attracted to the men they fall in love with"

Another

"An ugly woman; may as well take her behind the shed and put one (a bullet) behind the ear. That dog wont hunt. But any dude with a johnson's got a shot because...cool comes from the inside"...Uncle Wayne

Another way

Generally us guys could fuck a very attractive woman without knowing her or in some cases even disliking her. Because the "emotional" is secondary to the "physical"

The same isn't true for women. A very good looking guy (even tall tatted up bartenders with big dogs) can and will get blown out by saying / doing the wrong thing. In other words her emotional response can and will kill her attraction. Once the attraction is dead you can forget arousal.

Why?

Game 101: Attraction is not a choice. It is a response

"Attraction-cides"

What are some of the fastest if not instant killers of attraction. The big ones are similar yet with nuanced differences

- Weakness (perceived or real) in ALL forms

- Awkwardness (creates an involuntary response- "creepy")

- Neediness

- Lack of confidence / insecurity*

*This is how you end up naked in bed with a woman only to get shut down. Because women are more emotionally intuitive they will very easily pick up on your insecurities (fears)

Out of time so that's the end of today's game lesson. Next up:

In order to better create the responses (results) we desire we need to first answer: What are the modern young woman's fears and desires?

What does she want? (Desire)

What is she afraid of? (Fear)

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
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Quote: (08-05-2018 07:59 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I have never understood why you have to care about your look...a minimum is of course important but if you start caring about your looks for women , this is the best way to only attract women of inferior moral quality.

1) Obviously you should care about it for yourself. Why not look as good as possible?

2) Because chicks care and this is a forum about Game and getting laid. If your SMV can move from a 6 to an 8 with the addition of one killer suit why wouldn't you do it?
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I wish I had shown this thread to my ex. Early 20's 5'9" EE beauty queen, I had to tell the doormen in my apartment building to refuse entry to her after I dumped her and she kept showing up unannounced trying to get back together. Had she read this thread she would have known to head down to the local watering hole and harass the bartenders instead.

The bartenders/promoters/etc. that pull the hottest girls in the US are often very good looking and/or charismatic (i.e. have strong game) already. If you're comparing a hot bartender to an ugly accountant, that's not a fair comparison.

My question for the OP is this: if you, personally, quit your white collar job and became a bartender, do you think you would pull higher quality than you are pulling today?
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Quote: (08-06-2018 12:00 AM)SAMO Wrote:  

I wish I had shown this thread to my ex. Early 20's 5'9" EE beauty queen, I had to tell the doormen in my apartment building to refuse entry to her after I dumped her and she kept showing up unannounced trying to get back together. Had she read this thread she would have known to head down to the local watering hole and harass the bartenders instead.

The bartenders/promoters/etc. that pull the hottest girls in the US are often very good looking and/or charismatic (i.e. have strong game) already. If you're comparing a hot bartender to an ugly accountant, that's not a fair comparison.

My question for the OP is this: if you, personally, quit your white collar job and became a bartender, do you think you would pull higher quality than you are pulling today?

This goes back to his original point though, that being good looking is quite important. All he's saying with the bartending gig is that a) it gives better access to women than most men will get otherwise outside of college and b) women see it as a "fun" job so it can give you a bump.

Civilize the mind but make savage the body.
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Ok, let's admit it this thread has derailed...
If you came here for game advice then read very carefully what PT wrote 3 posts up. Read that again and again! If you understand that you're already far ahead than most clueless dudes out there.

@ a beer is enough: You my friend sound a bit thirsty. I am sorry to say that, but I notice this in every post of yours. "Fucking lots and lots of hot girls"...What is this a competition for you? Have you ever been with a very hot girl (to your taste of course)? If yes then that experience should've taught you more than all these bartender on a harley petting his side kick dog.

Hank gives some general thoughts due to his experiences and he clearly describes them well, if they apply to you then read them with a grain of salt, don't jump all on him for his experience. At least he is being honest and trying to help the people that his post apply to...not everyone!

To my very humble opinion, game is not math, neither science and absolutely not some scripted method that you run step by step. I've repeated this in other posts as well, it's what LINUX described quite well:

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LINUX Wrote:
As the years passed, I threw everything I thought I knew about game away and most of the guys on the forum that I'm close to have also.

Now it's a way of life, saying what you want, maintaining confidence, having options, and being real with yourself and with women. That's not "game" because it doesn't have to be performed or shut off, it's our way of life 24/7 and there are no illusions or masks that we walk around wearing. We are just grown men walking around finding women we want to either fuck, have a mini relationships with, or make memories with and we tell them that straight-up.

Game is sort of like a "Fake it until you Make it" thing. When someone really turns into a masculine man and knows what works and what doesn't, the feeling that he has when talking to women is much deeper than over-analytical nonsense because he lives in the moment and he's real. He's not attached to an outcome like a PUA wanting a phone number or notch, he's attached to the process, and the process is going after he wants without apology, and that's what women are really attracted to. They've been telling men how to get into their pants for the past 20 goddamn years and men have been unable to listen. What have they always said, "I want a man with confidence."

Back to the masculine and confidence thing, all men should aim to get there and they will get there by experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities. Game should eventually be thrown out the window in lieu of something more real and masculine. Life teaches you that not books. It can't be learned, it has to be experienced and felt. If years and years go by and you're becoming a man more analytical with game regarding what to say, how to say it, and what to say in the future, then something is off. But if you can walk into a club and within 10 minutes know the women who like you, the women who want you but aren't available, as well as the women who like you but are passing on you because their friend likes you, then you're starting to get it. Then it just takes eye contact and smile, and straight up say what you want, "I want to go take a bath with you," and she replies, "Ok" That's not game, that's a man saying what he wants without being attached to the answer because his happiness and freedom is more important than trying to impress some broad with some bullshit and that in itself is what we call 'confidence' and what women are really attracted to.
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Quote: (08-05-2018 12:54 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Its because the thread is erroneously labeled / mis-represented as a "game" thread....It isn't.

An accurate treatise on "modern" game should really just be an updated collection of "tactical" information.

If viewed "strategically" or from a macro level, then game principles are the same as they ever were.

You look down from high enough and "Game" is nothing more than understanding human nature: specifically motivations

Lets go all the way up: There are only two human motivations.

Fear and Desire (yes...here I go again)

Let me repeat that. Fear and Desire are the only two motivations humans have (they are in constant conflict).

Once fully grasped and internalized this concept becomes a tool for all your human interactions

[Image: giphy.gif]

The first key to gaming women is to truly understand the point where the female psyche and the male psyche (specifically psycho sexual attraction to arousal sequences) diverge.

By default they start at the same place. The visual / physical.

But the sequences almost immediately diverge because men and women's Desire / Fear "programming" is "coded" differently by biology / evolution / God .

His (our) most basic "attraction" code can be expressed simply

Physical > Emotional

Hers

Emotional > Physical

This can be seen manifested in may ways.

Example:

"Men fall in love with the women they are attracted to"

Conversely

"Women are attracted to the men they fall in love with"

Another

"An ugly woman; may as well take her behind the shed and put one (a bullet) behind the ear. That dog wont hunt. But any dude with a johnson's got a shot because...cool comes from the inside"...Uncle Wayne

Another way

Generally us guys could fuck a very attractive woman without knowing her or in some cases even disliking her. Because the "emotional" is secondary to the "physical"

The same isn't true for women. A very good looking guy (even tall tatted up bartenders with big dogs) can and will get blown out by saying / doing the wrong thing. In other words her emotional response can and will kill her attraction. Once the attraction is dead you can forget arousal.

Why?

Game 101: Attraction is not a choice. It is a response

"Attraction-cides"

What are some of the fastest if not instant killers of attraction. The big ones are similar yet with nuanced differences

- Weakness (perceived or real) in ALL forms

- Awkwardness (creates an involuntary response- "creepy")

- Neediness

- Lack of confidence / insecurity*

*This is how you end up naked in bed with a woman only to get shut down. Because women are more emotionally intuitive they will very easily pick up on your insecurities (fears)

Out of time so that's the end of today's game lesson. Next up:

In order to better create the responses (results) we desire we need to first answer: What are the modern young woman's fears and desires?

What does she want? (Desire)

What is she afraid of? (Fear)

Continued (Part 2)

"So PT what do a girls "Fear and Desire" have to do with attraction? What do they have to do with how tall I am, whether I have tattoos, or have a cool job?"

The crux

"How is any of this gonna get me laid?"

Being successful in anything (including women) is simple: all you have to do is make the right decision at every turn.

I said simple...not easy.

What's the one skill that successful people have in common? Here’s what differentiates really good decision-makers from the rest.

Pattern recognition.

Some people just seem to have a knack for getting what they want out of life. But it’s not just luck. These people have learned to recognize patterns.

And when you can see patterns unfolding around you, it’s almost as if you’ve been given the ability to predict the future.

So I’ll say it again. What separates exceptional decision-makers from the rest is pattern recognition. This is the ability to see patterns. Patterns that give you the power to see the invisible framework that causes things to happen.

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I’ll show you how this applies to your interaction with girls in just a minute. But first, take a moment to recognize something important. People use pattern recognition all the time.

What makes the difference between an NFL football quarterback and an NFL superstar like Tom Brady, or Aaron Rodgers? It’s his ability to almost instantly recognize patterns on the field and make split-second decisions based on pattern recognition.

Through the internalization of concepts and repetition success becomes almost automatic.

They make it look easy. The "game is just slowed down for them"

Another example: What allows a world-renowned physician to make a diagnosis that others missed? He hears the same list of symptoms, but his deeper knowledge of an illness allows him to spot patterns other doctors didn’t recognize.

So how do we use "pattern recognition" when it comes to gaming girls?

Here's one I've used over the years countless times:

Girl with a small but visible tattoo...this girl almost always smokes.

Conversely

Girls that smoke almost always have tattoos.

Big deal you say? Well smoking and tattoos are signs of the need to conform No one starts smoking because they like it . They may grow to like it, but they start in order to fit in with their peers or look cool. The need to conform comes from the fear of social exclusion.

These girls are walking, talking, cliche's. Their insecurities are an easily recognizable pattern and... very exploitable.

We'll get to the how but before we get into the "tactical" lets stay at the "strategic" level for a minute.

Understanding a modern young girls motivations (fears and desires) are the key to developing "pattern recognition"...the key to simplifying success.

So what do girls want (desire) and what do they not want (fear)?

The evolution of Fear and Desire

We all know that for the majority of the history of mankind generations women needed men for physical safety , and security. Its only within the last 3 or 4 generations that the success of Western society has for the most part removed (some would say taken on) that need. Never in the history of man have women been safer, more secure, more self sufficient.

So what are the modern girl's greatest fears? Fear for physical safety and security have been replaced with

- Boredom
- Anonymity
- Not fitting in
- Missing out
- Not being envied
- etc

That's it for today.


Next up "Female attraction archetypes How to be 'tall' even if youre not"

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
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I've gotten to a point after some life experience that I have realized if you want to sleep with lots of hot women, what Hank has said is absolutely true.

It isn't even based on the fact that you are around a lot of women and interacting with them, it is because you have built-in status in their world. Does not have to be a bartender but it has to be a gig where you are around hot women that want Mr. Right Now instead of Mr. Right. Could be a DJ, model photographer and the list goes on but any type of situation where that is where you are at.

Hot girls that want to fuck and sleep around do not care about learning, personal growth or any of that shit. Most of them want to get fucked up, chase the next dopamine rush and stick to their old social status games they developed a liking for in high school.

A bartender does not even need to be that attractive, in fact I think an average looking bartender at the right spot with average game has a way better chance of sleeping with hot women than a handsome guy working a white collar job. The issue is that guy is surrounded by lots of women looking for Mr. Right, women want to go on dates with Mr. Right, they want to get into an LTR with him and even marry him but they are not going to want to fuck him and forget about him.

Its why you see these busted up dudes with girls out of their league in these sorts of professions.
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Oh god I let this thread fester too long. I thought it would play out just fine and I could spare myself the carpal tunnel, but regardless of the attempts of many of our finest posters apparently certain parties in this thread still don't understand where game and lifestyle diverge.

Or hell what even game is until Papaya nailed it of course.

Anyways. Long post incoming.

"Until the day when God shall deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is summed up in these two words,— 'Wait and hope'."- Alexander Dumas, "The Count of Monte Cristo"

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Papaya no doubt made an outstanding post, that is why I liked it. A lot of what he mentioned is legit and he touched right on the points, he nailed it hard. Modern women fear not fitting in and not being a part of what they perceive to be the cool crowd, I think their entire life revolves around this. I say it started all the way in high school and while it was supposed to end at some point when they hit 20, we've gotten to a point now where it is lifelong for attractive women who engage in hooking up instead of marriage.

But what do a lot of these women want to conform to?

Partying

Drinking

Exclusive events full of other hot women

Social media accounts with lots of followers and likes

It just so happens from what Hank described, the positions he mentioned tend to put guys in a position where they can offer women that.

An engineer who works at a prestigious firm is not going to be partying with people that she sees as the ones she wants to be around, maybe he gets some girls into that scene but the quality does pale in comparison to a guy who runs in the same crew as Dan Bilzerian, some model photographer or a DJ at the hottest nightclub in the city.
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First of all as someone who has DJ'd and promoted extensively let me be quite frank. The only pussy that lands in your lap are the groupies.

All of these groupies have VD, are ass ugly, or will slash your tires the morning after(handcuffed to the bed or knife to the throat aren't uncommon either with the possibility of it occurring increasing with every successive sexual encounter in her circle of friends or her).

You absolutely need game because you know who are nailing the top notch broads. It wasn't me or the 6'5" jacked male model, high end club bartender/DJ/promoter/whatever. It was the rich guy with the cocaine and game.

Ever been to a proper after party?

Guys in their 40s and 50s that handle X or Y fashion event are bending girls over the sink while another model eats out his ass. Guys like me are getting second helpings of their much less attractive friends at best. Hell we're even gracious for the invites because they fucking own us. I couldn't even sneak any of my best friends into these kind of parties. Because we're the fucking help at the end of the day.

There is always a fucking bigger fish!

If you think the handsome DJ is getting pussy you should see the guys above them. Hell they're not even good looking. They wear Hawaiian shirts/short sleeve white shirts and gucci flip flops. Some of them don't even have the decency to not have a pot belly.

Anyways rant on the service industry over because I don't think many guys especially the OP understand how this shit works.

Now to the meat of the topic.

Lifestyle and game are completely different animals. Sure your service industry folk have access. Sure they might even nail some of the hot broads based on their ins. But they're still the help.

Now imagine a guy with his shit together with the same access. Guys like I used to be get blown out without game. We hone that shit on our insider knowledge to work from a losing playing field to atleast make off with something.

Manipulate her emotions. Show her the crowd. Spend other people's money and laugh at the pompousness of it all. Because at the end of the day that's what it is. We can't take her back to the run down apartment or suburban group house sometimes. Especially if they're hot so we work with what we have so this girl, who could get much better and much richer(motherfuckers who toss thousands to the wind daily in the lounges or clubs), will fuck us at her place hopefully for a nice place to sleep or if she's meh enough fuck her in the alley and pass out in the car as the drive is too long home.

The average guy with a proper living doesn't have to hamster away her concerns about logistics or being in her home as a stranger. You guys have your own place. Your own booze. No drunk roommates knocking on your door while you're fucking to ruin the moment.

Now imagine with the proper game that PT elucidated what occurs as it's much less of an uphill battle. Imagine just being in the know and not being a socially awkward loser by making friends with people of value. You're in and you just have to be cool. All those "easy" professions do this all the time. There's plenty of bartenders that go home with their dick in their hand because of the false conceptions about the industry. They think if they're in they're gonna get laid. No they have to make the same exact contacts as a regular dude or they're boned to the friend zone for all eternity(newsflash newbies there's no getting out especially if the entire city knows).

Game matters. It's literally the only thing that does. You can work yourself into a better lifestyle and social crew. There's plenty of examples of it posting in this thread. A real job and a social life. Who woulda thunk?????

On another note I think this was my first real game post in a year. Its really been too long.

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^ Solid post, but every time I read stuff like this about nightgaming in bars and clubs the thought that immediately comes to mind is that you're in a major city. To get this kind of thing where rich dudes with coke who blow thousands of dollars every night and host after parties with models who lick their ass happening out in the suburbs is pretty much non-existent. I'm not really sure what percentage of guys who are gaming, or are trying to game, are going to relate to this kind of thing unless they're in specific cities and going to top tier venues.
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TL;DR: I'm not saying all really hot girls are hoes. Or that they're even out there getting coked out of their minds. It's that there's a very clear barrier of entry. Girls get in on looks. Guys get in on who they know. Get in the know. That rule applies everywhere. Wherever that may be. You better find out.

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Quote: (08-07-2018 11:57 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

So the assumption is a medium sized-major city of some kind at minimum.

Yeah, sounds about right.
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Word, this thread got saved by PT and Comte.

Lifestyle/status and game are different things yet complimentary.

You can have status and leverage that into pussy and the stream will be endless. It will be status clingers and girls wanting a slice of the action. The cool stuff. The guestlist, drugs, insta stories etc. The flow starts and girls tell other girls. The itch needs to get scratched and they're lining up for a piece of you.

They are value takers. If you have game combined with this, it's the safety against getting played and acknowledging you know what they want.

Again, these are not mutually exclusive. Game works wonders because you want to fuck girls you don't know and chances are they don't know you (are aware of your status). This is why you're selling a dream to them in a short period of time.

Otherwise frolicking around with the 'do you know who I am' mentality would work every time.

This is why PT is on the money with understanding what drives women so you can hit the right buttons and ensure your energy is directed efficiently towards getting laid.

You need to relinquish all insecurities and embrace this shit. I harp on about this 24/7 -> play to your strengths. Forget about your weaknesses that are immutable (height/race whatever).

When I go over to a girls place and she usually blurts "omg sorry it's such a mess", this is psychologically powerful.

Why?

I never noticed the mess (unless it's a Syrian warzone) until you said something. Now I can't fucking ignore it.

Rule #2744 - people focus on whatever you direct their focus to .Magicians do this directly with LOOK (positive). We do this indirectly through apology (negative) and framing (positive or negative).

Rule #4553 - if you are feeling uncomfortable/insecure about something, it will be manipulated by her -> she will sense this like a shark and blood.

The former leads to the latter.

This is why you flip the switch and why confidence is key. You hone in on her insecurities and leverage them when you feel the power shifting away from the road to your ideal outcome (sex/relationship/FWB/wingwoman).

PT nails this with fear and desire.

My OP in this thread is 100% game micros, standard template which is the basics of when you're out and hitting on women you don't know. How to create flow, vibe and set the path towards a ONS.

Guys who are good internalize this. Guys who aren't, need a framework.

You go out and it's automatic and don't need most of it because it's all included in your vibe. You know you're a 10. You know its's her privilege to sit on your face. You know you have the final say in whether you take her home or not.

Game is communicating this indirectly and her accepting this and vying for that dick.

Game is a way of being a sheep in wolfs clothing but when you're a wolf, you don't need game.

You have experience.

You don't need to flip the switch and turn her into a yes and you into a maybe. (the yes/maybe dichotomy from my OP)


The guys I know who get laid the most are DJs and photographers. Some get played but the ones who have been through enough women to figure out their nature and what they respond to don't.

I lived with a DJ who is pretty big here. Filthy, long fingernails. Crusty, disheveled hair. Wore mainly track bottoms when he went out. Drove a 20 year old hatchback with 3 stolen hubcaps. The only thing in his favour was his status. He had money but to this day, still hides it as well as possible (especially as he has a kid).

Since then this guy bought a club and owns 2 businesses (tech industry).

We had an amazing apartment which showed women we were well off and this set off alarm bells (good ones) for the women he brought over. They focus on what they want to be true, not what is; womanese: 'he probably does have a lot of money!'

When a chick wants you and you're hot/high status, some incongruence is offset by her choice of believing what she wants to be true instead of the 'worst case scenario'.

Finishing work, I would get home at 5:30PM on a Tuesday and there would be three 8s sitting in our living room, offering me tea or a line while he watched Planet Earth eating peanut butter from the jar. At least one 9 per week, usually on Fridays, before and after heading out to play a set.

My ex-girlfriend (7) HATED it and would feel so uncomfortable -> another lesson in female logic.

We would go to his studio and then 4 more hotties would join us and literally just sit around while he produced music with another producer (who also kills it). Smoke joint, bump more lines, have some wine, play some board games (?). Doesn't matter.

They needed no entertainment, no conversation, nothing. They just wanted to be around him. Sometimes to just talk shit (always about others). Sometimes to do some drugs (they always brought their own). They would go bring food and drugs and come back. At the end they would usually fuck too, this was the main theme.

When he would speak to them, it was about other people -> the female language. It's the whole thing Scott Adams discusses; figure out who are people people and things people -> who likes to talk about others and who discusses concepts.

Well, 100% of women are people people but the connection is made when you introduce concepts (sexuality, human dynamics etc.) that can be related to PEOPLE so they can understand.

So why are these 21-35 year old beauties queueing to jump on this guys dick, 4/7 days a week when he isn't at a club playing and has groupies following him around?

They just want to be around his vibe. They want to take some of his value because they're insecure and want to be seen with/around him. That's the commodity here. Status and value. Game is a way of 'printing money' in this sense.

Attention, validation, approval. I wrote about this in the Hoes of Instagram thread.

He is always relaxing to be around, came off as 'in control of the situation' and always has cool shit happening. I partied with him 3 weekends ago and his girlfriend is smoking hot and tolerant of his shit. He's a tough guy to live with.

After a point, you fuck so many girls that your reputation precedes you and they wanna see what it's all about.

He's not even that big in the sense that he's signed to a big label. He started a local label and that's about it.

There's another 54 year old DJ here who is always out with 2-3 smokeshows wherever he goes. They're 25 odd most of the time. Some guys have security, this guy has hotties like Gaddafi and his Amazonian guard.

They also need zero entertainment. They just stand and dance around behind him in the DJ booth, bring him drinks and serve as PAs who suck his dick too. He rewards them with guestlist and other 'exclusive' perks.

This is literally all women want in 2018. Opulence. This is their long term game. Social media being a stock market, it's more crucial than ever.

Emotional connection and good sex is short term. They see other girls getting their long-term ambition, they will put up with anything to get it.

Before you jump in and tell me these guys only have status, I consider them to have more game than 99% of guys by sheer exposure to women, 24/7. Especially women who want something. They know which strings to pull to keep the rabbit right in front of the greyhound until they replace them.

That's the difference here.



When you want something from women, you go out with that mentality, your insecurities appear and your game is weak. You 'want' something. You are a 'value taker'.

When women want something from you, the tables are turned and you are the decider. This simple shift in mindset is why we learn game. To identify patterns (PT on the money) and figure out what kind of variable is needed. You are the 'value giver'.

LINUX gives the perfect example because it's internalized (quoted above). The whole unconscious competence element + giving value regardless of if she wants it or not because it's irrelevant to you.

This is why you gym, stack dollar, travel and become a well rounded, healthy and high worth individual. Men derive their confidence from their resources. This is the inflexion point when they stop wanting shit from women & women start wanting shit from them.

This is because they're happy and it's infectuous. You can be dark triad king kong dick 9000 and get laid. You can be happy and get laid too without being played.

Being happy with your life + game will get you more pussy than you can fuck.

For a lot of men, being happy = being successful and being successful = high status which is why you have to level up; it's our calling as men.

You can skin a cat in many ways. Many posters here have a different style based off who they are, life experiences etc.

The trend is constant though, you need to combine game and status to fuck the hottest women.

Guys like the ones I described earlier are the competition (and my friends) but girls want what other girls want. Until you're 'wanted' and have a solid social circle, you need the game to differentiate yourself and to communicate 'I am better than these guys' and can take women on emotional rollercoasters to flip that switch in their brains.

I only want to fuck 8s+ because I am picky and deserve only the best. I am working on a threesome with a hot lesbian couple hot because it's an experience. I am fucking a Muslim 8 who has 6 families trying to organize an arranged marriage, because it's an experience. I could fuck a 60 year old multimillionaire GILF (yes) who won a fitness competition a few years back because my game was automated but my social circle made all the above happen; it's an experience. That's my current vibe.

I ignore the SEA/third world threads due to the fact that you're just arbitraging your status. London and Manila are massively different animals.

I would prefer to fuck 2 ICE or Boss models than fuck 25 Filipinas from 'good families'.

So by definition, I am not the great white shark in the tank, but I am getting there and why game for me is still relevant. This is because the tank I chose has other predators with tastier fish.

Game is the psychological tool to boost your value and status but nothing replaces actual status so work on both.

Status is your social standing withing your environment and game is required to ensure bitches don't interfere with it and leech you for this without a give/take.

You define the give/take.



Some guy wrote a thread about Dan Bilzerian and whether he has game and is hot.

My only thought is that it is IRRELEVANT.

He has game to the extent he isn't getting played. He is letting chicks use him as a jumpoff for status because that is the game at that level that he defined as acceptable. He's got lawyers and makes them sign NDAs. He's got money to make problems disappear. He's got the logic to replace them often enough to offset any attachment issues.

News flash: he's 0.001% of men and it's inconsequential because you don't have those problems until you're at that status point and top of the food chain.


My OP in this thread is the 'wheel' of game when you're starting out and meeting unknowns.

You carry this with you when you need to penetrate higher social circles and essentially, fuck upwards when you need to be differentiated from your competition who are multimillionaires, actors, sportsmen (rugby/cricket mainly here), radio hosts, photographers, guys who own companies that charter yachts etc. The finance and tech geeks aren't really competition because they lack the abilities to elicit emotions. You can add some others to this list too.

Basically, being charismatic replaces having game and swirly whirly techniques. Being interesting augments this. Being mysterious adds the layer of thrill. Being sexy connects all of it together.

Take the game into consideration and figure how you can leverage that into women wanting something from you over a long term. Then keep the game to make sure they don't get it and you wag the carrot in front of them long enough to not get played.

The loyal ones comply with the rules. The disloyal ones will try shit with you and your understanding of game will mean you will see this coming from a mile away that you avoid this shit.

As for hot girls being hoes, they are ALL hoes but you gotta push the right buttons. You bring out the hoe in a woman, she isn't a willy nilly hoe.

If she is then that's great because you can avoid her and her traps.

Every woman turns in to a hoe when there's something she wants and has exhausted all other methods of obtaining this.

You can turn any woman in to a hoe through your masculinity and sexual vibe.

There is a difference in the above and you can have fun with both but in the one example you are playing her and in the other you are getting played.

I wrote this to illustrate that both game and status are fundamental to being a top playboy. Game is more urgent and easier to learn. The status requires more patience and dedication.

Combined, they are deadly so in future refrain from viewing it as binary as it will only set you back.
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Just another thing on barmens.

If I go to a place where barmens are blatantly gaming the girls and offering them drinks, I stop going to that place. I consider it unprofessional and a total lack of respect for the patrons of that place. When that happens, it demonstrates that the owners/managers don't take the business too seriously...

A barman is paid to serve drinks, make cocktails, etc. Not to fuck up even more the dynamics of said place.

I am Ok though with owners/managers gaming and making offers of drinks, being social is a part of their job.
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I'll come across as a dick for saying this but I don't really see how anything in this thread is really modern. If anything it's all just the same basic shit guys in pickup have been saying for literally decades. Have game, build a social circle, have status, life in a major city. How is any of this new? It's only a matter of time before someone in this thread suggests peacocking and freeze outs.
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Quote: (08-08-2018 09:40 AM)sonic boom Wrote:  

I'll come across as a dick for saying this but I don't really see how anything in this thread is really modern. If anything it's all just the same basic shit guys in pickup have been saying for literally decades. Have game, build a social circle, have status, life in a major city. How is any of this new? It's only a matter of time before someone in this thread suggests peacocking and freeze outs.

Hank's the one starting these generic, boring game threads as some kind of breakthrough. A lot of us other guys just stick to the occasional female psychology, travel, or player's lounge threads. Don't blame us for responding to his usual schtick and correcting the stuff that gets passed off as "game".

And as we can tell from his abundance of reps plenty of guys want generic shit told to them with a "be a 6' bartender with tattoos and Sonos speakers" thrown in.

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Quote: (08-08-2018 12:03 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Quote: (08-08-2018 09:40 AM)sonic boom Wrote:  

I'll come across as a dick for saying this but I don't really see how anything in this thread is really modern. If anything it's all just the same basic shit guys in pickup have been saying for literally decades. Have game, build a social circle, have status, life in a major city. How is any of this new? It's only a matter of time before someone in this thread suggests peacocking and freeze outs.

Hank's the one starting these generic, boring game threads as some kind of breakthrough. A lot of us other guys just stick to the occasional female psychology, travel, or player's lounge threads. Don't blame us for responding to his usual schtick and correcting the stuff that gets passed off as "game".

And as we can tell from his abundance of reps plenty of guys want generic shit told to them with a "be a 6' bartender with tattoos and Sonos speakers with a lifted big truck and big dog" thrown in.

Fixed that for you.
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I'll offer my perspective as someone who comes from the white collar world which is full of young men that are financially well off and doing well in so many ways. The reality is that it is extremely rare to find players in that world compared to the DJ, bartender and photographer world. Now this can turn into a chicken or egg debate, do guys working in nightlife naturally gravitate towards the hedonistic lifestyle or does working in nightlife push them into it?

An excellent point was made on this thread about women wanting to belong to a certain world or belong to a certain scene. Girls fuck DJs like the story which Noir shared because they see what that lifestyle is about, it gives them glamour and these guys naturally have access to that kind of a scene with attractive women.

But the reason Hank is so well loved is the question that alludes most of us on here working white collar jobs, how the hell can you even get anything close to that?

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Why would some DJ want to be friends with some random white collar guy?

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.
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^^ A guy who leads a conversation towards about his job with a girl he just met, no matter what it is (software engineer, lawyer, barman, dj...), is an example of a boring dude I wrote a few posts back. Be creative...that's the codeword and FAQ on modern game.

Women are frugal creatures, you better compliment how you like the color and shape of her gel nails, while you hold her hand and at the same time lead her to the dancefloor, or the bar for a couple shots.

No rocket science or software engineering in here.

(Shit...I will start seeing PUA's doing this in Kreschatyk...kakakakakaka)

Also when women are really interested in what I do I tell them what it is, then I put some NTP/Nola bullshit in between, and end up saying that instead I wish I was a barman, no such hassle as in my work...all of them reply "But why, you are so much better doing what you do, is so much more interesting..."

Lesson in here..
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Fair enough but your job makes up so much of your life and even your lifestyle.

I was not talking about leading it or even her knowing but every job brings with it a certain lifestyle. There is a reason you don't see too many software engineers and Accountants living that kind of a life. Once again a chicken egg debate but so many of these guys are normal cool guys who have the social skills.

At this point, what do I know. My judgment is clouded with a lot of bias because of what I am around daily in the white collar world. I see these young men who have money, above average looks and so much going for them settle down into a marriage or live unfulfilling sex lives to where I wonder what it is. Maybe it goes back to the point of how the corporate world can crush you on the inside as a poster mentioned earlier.

All I could do now is give myself to this forum and others on it like Comte, there is a reason they're as respected as they are.

The discussion we should be having is how a man can build a nice successful white collar career yet still have the kind of success with hot girls that DJs and bartenders do.

Charisma and game are one thing but I am talking more about access and actually building out your social crew.
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