Quote: (07-23-2018 05:43 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:
Quote: (07-23-2018 05:10 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:
A quote from the family (emphasis mine):
"While we did our best to seek help for him throughout his life of struggle and pain, we could never imagine that this would be his devastating and destructive end."
How it plays out on the forum and the manosphere:
1). A mentally ill man has no friends or girlfriends because he's mentally ill.
2). Because of this, he doesn't get to have sex.*
3). Everyone here focuses on #2 but ignores #1, which caused #2 to begin with.
I urge everyone here to volunteer at a residential facility or rehab place with mentally ill men. You'll see guys who look relatively normal, but once you get them talking it's clear they're completely out to lunch. They can often scare people away with one sentence.
Since women will dismiss guys over the wrong pair of shoes, you can damn well bet they'll run screaming when a man starts rambling about how he just spoke to George Washington.
Attempting to micro-define the mentally ill as mere "incels" puts the cart before the horse. It does a disservice to everyone involved, misses the point, and plays into the hands of feminists who think "all men are like this underneath!" and get the masses to believe this.
But as I said before, if mere sexual frustration led to killings, 90 percent of male high school sophomores would be mass shooters. If not having sex creates problems, why don't priests and monks go on shooting sprees? Why don't men in wheelchairs plant bombs everywhere?
There's more to this, people. Let's recognize that.
* Even this is a leap. A lot of mentally troubled men go to prostitutes or have sex with homeless women when they hit the streets. This is a lower rung of the social ladder most of us don't see. It's not pleasant. But it's there. I know someone who worked with people like this who joked they had more sex than "normal" people.
But a guy doesn't just become mentally ill in a vacuum, does he? Being confined to a permadrought, sexually-speaking, wreaks havoc on a guy's self-esteem and general state of well-being and, although not primarily the cause in some cases, acts nevertheless like an potent accelerant on a fire. Maybe you're putting the cart before the horse in pushing the rather vague notion of "mental illness" as a sui generis explanation for incel spree shootings, instead of accepting the elephant in the room: that the more young, horny guys there are who are locked out of the sexual market place, the more likely it is that an albeit tiny fraction of them will decide to externalize their frustration by hitting up a public location full of women. By arguing, "Why doesn't every incel Tom, Dick and Harry go on a shooting spree when their dry spell becomes too much to handle ... ?", as a way to look at this phenomenon, misses the point. The response should be the same as regards the recent Islamic invaders of the West: Not every one of them is going take out a bunch of shoppers at the Christmas Market, but every additional migrant duly increases the chances that this will happen. The same logic applies to incels: Not every incel shoots up the local mall, it is true, but every guy who shoots up the mall these days seems to be an incel. That such shootings are becoming increasingly frequent is thus largely a function of the numbers of sexually disenfranchised men shut out of the market having increased significantly in recent years.
Did you read my post?
His family commented on his "life of struggles and pain." That implies that from the get-go he had issues.
A LIFE of struggles means just that. It doesn't mean: "He was popular in high school, but once he hit his twenties and his girlfriend left him and he became an incel and went nuts!!"
I think at this point the manosphere is as guilty as feminism for producing a narrative that's being utilized to explain too many things. They have "patriarchy;" we have "incels." Among other things. They're nice theories. But that's all they are.
One more thing: You mention "the rather vague notion of "mental illness." This is a misnomer.
Mental illness is not vague. Just as you can see lung cancer on an MRI, you can see the haywire brain patterns of schizophrenics (and other mentally ill) patients on a device called an fMRI.
fMRI stands for "Functional magnetic resonance imaging." It shows how the brain responds to stimuli in real time. Schizophrenics and bipolar people have wildly different brain patterns than the average person. So do clinically depressed people. (Here is
one of many links to studies on this.)
This is actual scientific proof that mental illness is an out-and-out disease, not some quack psychologist's diagnosis.
I will grant you there is some grey area --- like when it comes to ADHD and other trendy, subjective diagnoses. But that's not what we're talking about here.
If people in the manosphere are now going to dismiss actual hard science about mental illness in favor of made-up "theories," it's time we all call it a day. It's over, folks. We've now officially become the feminists we hate.
Am I the only one who studies up on this stuff?
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