[BadKing]

It’s largely unconscious, unplanned, and depends simply on following instincts and urges, while relying on charisma, improvisation, horniness (avoiding porn), and experience. Always having pure intentions and simply thinking of giving a girl a thrilling time while satisfying yourself.

I’ve claimed to run no game because consciously I don’t, and apply no ‘methods’, but I’ve realized that what I do is still a skill.

Shutting your brain off and following your body is what allows you to do this.

The path to get to this level is a strong inner belief in what you bring to the table, emotional strength, and the knowledge that you can deal with everything the night brings. Good logistics is really the only planned aspect.

For those that hate memorizing lines, studying techniques that are hard to apply and freeze you up, and especially for those that hate pretending and acting, I suggest following this type of approach—for those that have a flair for improvisation and hate planning like myself, this is ideal.

Instead on focusing on learning techniques, focus on becoming stronger emotionally by challenging yourself in creative ways.

Embracing challenges and appreciating hardship in all areas of life. Having a strong world view in which you accept reality is also crucial. Accept that the best always win and that life is fair, and you’ll stop seeing yourself as a victim, instead feeling the need to compete.


P.S. After seeing all these thirst threads I had to give my 2 cents.

[MajorStyles]

Instinctual game is so easy in a place like the United States, where so many men are divorced from their masculine essence. For example, whenever you go to a social event in some major city, you'll invariably see the thirsty men clamoring around any woman higher than a 7. One's instinct should be counter intuitive in this regard. Instead of getting in line and fighting for her attention, it's best to watch the proceedings from afar, making sure the woman knows you are watching the event but consciously refusing to take part in the charade. Your refusal to participate is born out of self confidence as opposed to insecurity: a key difference. Inevitably, your cocksure energy (or strong inner belief as you put it) will draw her in like a fish biting on the line for chum.

Perhaps the reason that so many men fail with this knowledge is that they lack a strong inner belief. This vacancy will eventually reveal itself of course, even if he manages to snag a girl via some surface technique like clown game.

[Noir]

You have a point with knowing when to ignore beauty and when to pay attention.

As for methods vs no methods, they're not mutually exclusive, you need to develop the lens to notice scenarios to act upon until it becomes natural and 'instinct'.

You gotta make it seem like it 'just happened' (have I said this before? oh).

Refer to the Hierarchy of Competence.

Quote:

1. Unconscious incompetence
The individual does not understand or know how to do something and does not necessarily recognize the deficit. They may deny the usefulness of the skill. The individual must recognize their own incompetence, and the value of the new skill, before moving on to the next stage. The length of time an individual spends in this stage depends on the strength of the stimulus to learn.


2. Conscious incompetence
Though the individual does not understand or know how to do something, they recognize the deficit, as well as the value of a new skill in addressing the deficit. The making of mistakes can be integral to the learning process at this stage.


3. Conscious competence
The individual understands or knows how to do something. However, demonstrating the skill or knowledge requires concentration. It may be broken down into steps, and there is heavy conscious involvement in executing the new skill.


4. Unconscious competence
The individual has had so much practice with a skill that it has become "second nature" and can be performed easily. As a result, the skill can be performed while executing another task. The individual may be able to teach it to others, depending upon how and when it was learned.

Supplementary links and resources at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

You are as confident as your familiarity of your situation (for 95% of people) and if you're in the other 5% of delusionally confident, you run the risk of not responding to the feedback of your actions to spur improvement.

I really disagree with the premise of this post because you need to learn techniques and frameworks to operate off until you internalize the skills.

And no, they are not mutually exclusive or binary.

You can run methods, still be confident and rely on certain gambits or tidbits to keep you going. If you ever train a guy, you will notice his strengths and weaknesses.

Playing to his strengths will get him laid but you can't ignore his weaknesses outright. He needs to supplement his weaknesses to the point where they don't interfere with his strengths.

Simply put, it doesn't fuck with the flow of start -> finish; start = first interaction/eye contact & finish = lay/relationship/self-defined end-game.

To improve such weaknesses, he needs to fake some things or refer to a framework so he is aware and can actively implement change. Otherwise it would not be a weakness and not be a hindrance.

This is a theorical framework. In real life you can tell which guys need game (the roadmaps), which guys don't and which have mastered it to a point where they are comfortable to get laid.

The common denominator is that it's always the man's responsibility for getting or not getting laid.

This is a macro outlook to understand the importance of micros (the stuff you practice until it's instinct).

You can't automatically read body language unless you have specialized in that/play poker/do interrogation -> you still learned it.

You can't automatically tamper with flow and energy levels with your voice or conversation without engaging in 1000s of conversations with that end-goal or being in a place of authority -> you still learned it.

I could go on and on.

You can develop an instinct over time but your focus won't be specific enough to hone the skills and specifically the KILLER instinct. Your subconscious will be ignoring the positive feedback stimulus.

Any person who has become good at a sport can attest to this.

Refer to my post in the irrational confidence section for a primer on how to fake it and become instinctually good. Confidence is the jump off point for everything else.

[BadKing]

Except the thing is, we were all born, as men, with the natural ability to get women. Genetically we come from generations of men that from the Stone Age were able to successfully compete for and win over women. It should be natural for all of us to get similar quality beauty wise than what our ancestors got. Sure we have problems now with the culture, but don’t you think our ancestors had problems? The average life expectancy was maybe 30 years.

The better looking you are, the more of your ancestors had beautiful wives, so naturally you will have more skill, yet the unattractive men still found wives owing to the fact their descendants are alive today.

I think the reason so many men in this forum fail long term with women is because all their relationships start with them faking who they are. Women can tell you’re faking (they read men instinctually), and therefore those that appreciate your ‘game’ will be insane women.

If you go around running clown game, most girls will reject you until you find that crazy one that doesn’t. Hence why so many seem to think women are corrupted in all countries.

There are a lot of crazy women, and if you run fake game you will get an endless stream of them—you will actually be looking for them. It isn’t until you run your natural game that you will start getting sane, albeit perhaps uglier women. You will get what you’re genetically inclined to get.

The solution as I see it, is a complete focus of getting rid of your traumas and insecurities, so you can feel confident being completely genuine around women—this will get you the kind of women the very best of your ancestors got.

[chicane]

It sounds like Instinctual Game works very well for men who are really good at instinctively reading social cues. That certainly isn't me or a lots of aspies. It takes a lot of work to learn how to read social cues and what the best responses are. We also have a tendency to believe what we are told, so until we learn to never take dating or relationship advice from a woman, we really screw up.

[jeanericblass]

Instinct or innate behavior is the inherent inclination of a living organism towards a particular.

[questor70]

[Any person who has become good at a sport can attest to this.]

You're talking about flow-state.

Engaging in anything in which you have achieved mastery (not just sports) involves entering flow-state (aka the zone).

My introduction to this concept as an abstraction was Luke Skywalker turning of the navicomputer in Star Wars.



First time I actually became consciously aware of it (while pursuing a hobby) was when I was 40.

It's one of those things you have to really experience in order to understand, but it's when you begin to feel as though you're on autopilot. You don't have to internally waffle between two decisions. The decisions just "flow" out of you. Then once you exit flow-state you can't quite explain how it is you just did what you did, and so it appears magical.

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