[MrRoundtree]

In a Night Club/bar: High Energy game is best...be the guy everybody wants to have fun and party with, own the place.

At a cottage, in a restaurant, in the street: calm but confident guy is best

[Batman_]

(07-18-2018 07:06 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

I don't trust anything buzzfeed churns out.

And you shouldn't, buzzfeed is just click-bait cancer.

[The_e_man]

Young party girls looking to hook up: high energy entertaining
Girls looking for a man to settle down with: calm stoic

Ideal: A healthy mix of both, when appropriate

[Cr33pin]

When I was younger I had better results when I was wide open and didn't give a fuck (life of the party type)...I tried switching to Joe Cool for awhile because Hollywood films told me thats what the women wanted and I didn't have as much success.

Now I'm older and could truly give a fuck....an that seems to be working out well for me.

[Tex]

Women find energy more attractive. That doesn't mean what most think it means. It doesn't mean physical expenditures of energy by being the loud guy with the funniest, longest string of jokes and the best dance moves.

It means engagement and enjoyment. It's the energy of being in the moment. So I'm saying women are attracted to guys having fun. A guy having fun when he approaches a woman is exciting and is probably a bigger show of confidence than anything else.

(07-22-2018 08:37 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Now I'm older and could truly give a fuck....an that seems to be working out well for me.

Sounds like you're having fun.

Fun is sexy to women because sex is fun and if you're having fun you'll soon be having sex.

[mr-ed209]

Generally speaking I think your always going to come across more attractive as the aloof confident guy. However, being aloof is only going to be successful in certain environments. One on one dates, intimate social circles etc. I've definitely lost girls on dates by being too chatty and not aloof enough.

In a club however, no one is paying attention to the brooding dude in the corner, theres simply too much distraction so you have to stand out some way. Being the fun guy is good but it can seem a lot of high energy for little returns at times. Dealing with club logistics and a girls friends are often way too much trouble than it's worth. Theres certainly a balance to strike. I'd say that being 'fun' is a good way of playing the numbers but you will lose out if you can't reel it in when the moment requires.

[jordypip23]

(08-14-2018 06:33 AM)mr-ed209 Wrote:  

Generally speaking I think your always going to come across more attractive as the aloof confident guy. However, being aloof is only going to be successful in certain environments. One on one dates, intimate social circles etc. I've definitely lost girls on dates by being too chatty and not aloof enough.

In a club however, no one is paying attention to the brooding dude in the corner, theres simply too much distraction so you have to stand out some way. Being the fun guy is good but it can seem a lot of high energy for little returns at times. Dealing with club logistics and a girls friends are often way too much trouble than it's worth. Theres certainly a balance to strike. I'd say that being 'fun' is a good way of playing the numbers but you will lose out if you can't reel it in when the moment requires.

Good points. I usually don't even bother to hit a nightclub setting these days unless I'm ready to bring some sort of high energy game to the table.

[Player_1337]

On the front-end: high-energy, witty and funny.

Post-sex: you change it up and keep her guessing, but primarily more stoic where she has to pry information and 'feelings' out of you.

[LeoneVolpe]

I agree with mixing them up being your best bet, but for the initial encounter. I would say “high-energy, entertaining” more often than not works better.

[bacani]

Funny I've been thinking about this since last year. A lot of the above posters make good points.

I remember a few years ago when Roosh and the forum were advocating clown game. I lean a little more on the introvert side so I had to switch my brain on to guns blazing high energy for a few hours on night outs whether it was a date or club. There were nights I would get lays and others when I'd come home dick in my hand, but regardless of the outcome it was just mentally draining over time and I really felt the burnout.

Fast forward a few years I slowly stopped giving a fuck about getting laid and impressing females all the time. I also got panic attacks randomly (probably due to alcoholism over the years) so I started taking the beta blocker Propranolol to calm me down so I can function daily.

Combined with the not give a fuck mentality + Propranolol which chilled my nerves, I noticed I started to develop this stoicism in my personality. This especially unintentionally helped me in my game as I noticed a significantly higher success rate with females.

Some girls would later tell me that during our first meeting they were nervous because of my strong eye contact or slight smirk or light chuckle or sarcastic jokes as they thought I was bored of them. Which is funny to hear as I thought they were bored of me because their eyes kept averting everywhere and they would keep taaaaaalking and taaaaaalking which I suppose I can now attribute to them being nervous.

It made me wonder..am I getting more success because it looks like I dont give a fuck? Is it because I take propranolol so I look composed and in control as fuck? Was it because in the past my high energy game would sometimes be incongruent to my personality? Was it "trying-too-hard-to-impress"? And now I just look natural and fluid? Or maybe I'm just on a 1 year lucky streak? Maybe its a mix of all I really dont know

Taking the stoic route seems to work for me so far and theres no mental drain from it thats for sure. Forcing myself to be loud and telling the most colorful stories/funniest jokes shes ever heard in her fucking dull ass life for a 90% chance of dull ass pussy just isnt worth it anymore.

I agree with the other posters that your clown or stoic game should be naturally congruent with your personality and not too "try hard". If you've got the energy for clown game, more power to you.


Ps. I'm not advocating taking Propranolol as a crutch to game. It does help but I was learning game years before I took Propranolol. And I never intended it would be a supplement to my game. To the beginners theres no pill that magically gives you game so you must build your inner game framework first.

[realologist]

Work your game around your personality. You won't burn out. You will be more authentic. You will have more fun. You will have better game.

Think about it like this. You don't see Tom Brady's slow ass scrambling and running an option offense. And he doesn't because it wouldn't work for him. Sure he may get a big play out of it every once in a while but overall it won't work.

Now apply that to your game. Don't like night clubs and don't pull there? Don't go. Like day game and are a good conversationalist? Do day game and have it verbal heavy.

This basic level of game is pretty simple. We just make it way more complicated than it has to be.

[Fortis]

As I age I find that my interest in entertaining a bitch is lower but I'm magically more attractive since I'm in better shape and I genuinely don't care all that much. I remember when I was 20 I would spend hours trying to charm girls and be funny, now I'm content to just tell a girl where we are meeting and what we're doing.

If she says no, I tell her to take a hike. Too many hoes out here to be treating one like she's the queen of England.

[Vienna]

(07-22-2018 08:37 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

When I was younger I had better results when I was wide open and didn't give a fuck (life of the party type)...I tried switching to Joe Cool for awhile because Hollywood films told me thats what the women wanted and I didn't have as much success.

Now I'm older and could truly give a fuck....an that seems to be working out well for me.

Granpa Cr33pin dispensing wisdom.

Like some other posters here said, learn to be both types when appropriate. It's not inauthentic to be a social chameleon, I'd bet many of the guys around here are that way. That's part of what game is; optimizing contexts to your advantage.

I'm mostly calm and joyous, but can switch on the energy when called for. The day after an energy outburst I don't want to talk to anyone though.

[EndsExpect]

(07-18-2018 05:33 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

Here is a video where they test people's reaction to a guy being masculine vs being less masculine at a bar. Surprisingly, being less masculine gets the edge in most circumstances.

For several decades they performed sex partner surveys and routinely found that the average woman has significantly fewer sex partners than the average man. This always puzzled me, until one enterprising research team decided to perform the survey while people where hooked up to lie detector tests. The average results for men stayed relatively similar, while suddenly the results for women were very different. Turns out if they cannot lie their number of sex partners is equal to that of men.

So, I ask you... how serious should we take a survey of women telling us what they want? I think it's more likely that any survey such as this results mostly in women saying what they think people want to hear.

When OKCupid was running their blog, they didn't run surveys asking women what they want. Instead they looked at cold hard data regarding what women actually do. This should be the approach of every man.