[JohnQPublic]

The OPs data sheet is good. Wide selection. Looks like he left no stone unturned in going out in the expensive places where a lot of HBs can be found. The problem with those places is that you usually will need to drop about 500Euros to get a table to even get solid time with any of those HBs. Of course you can get lucky. I've met French guys while traveling around Europe or elsewhere who complain about how the French girls are so difficult and reading between the lines they never had a chance at a top French girl. But as pointed out here, there aren't so many and you need to rise above the competition to have a chance or find one that matches your situation. Those EE models are the worst. French guys will beggar themselves go to get one in bed. So it's better to find them in daygame or in cafes. Last summer in Paris I "shored" a 20yo Western European stripper from that "strip-club just front of rue Ponthieu". Just spent like 40Euros for her drinks and talked to her. It was her first week in Paris and she wanted somebody to take her out. So when we finally went out, she came dressed to the 9s, I figured if nothing else I could use her to get into some clubs with heavy face control. So I took her into Montana (not on this list) because the door woman just looked at her and opened the door. It was not happening. So we went to Baron, where some French pretty boy offered me to go home together and trade her for his girlfriend (she was not happening so I said no). When we got back to my place I told the stripper girl, and she was not happy with that and said, you could have boned her too! Then later in the Summer the stripper flew to my city after her vacation and stayed for a week.

For sure Paris needs top-level game but since this is a PUA forum, I'm not sure why game is dead here. When I first joined people tried to help each other out. Now they sit around and just take shots at each other and try to put down people.

[rotinz]

(07-08-2018 12:16 PM)Arjanit Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 12:48 AM)pussy sniffer Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 11:37 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

The french sluts getting stuffed by banlieu cock beg to differ. If french people are so smart why are France in such a retarded state, Your economy is controlled by Jews, Chinese and Arabs.
You're infrastructure is third world, You don't have any real power or cultural soft power. Uour president is more pussy then the colour pink. The ultimate cock married a 6o-year old whore.

I will only reply to the first sentence which is an interesting point. The rest of your babbling is worthy of a 12 years old.

French sluts are getting stuffed by banlieue cock because the locals are cucked, so they turn to the invaders (see my solution to the problem in my previous post). But they do not wish to reproduce with them. They keep to white french people for that. This is contrarily to the women from our former colonies : They want mixed kids. They don't do it because we invaded them, they do it for their genetic improvement.

Dude, i have never seen more interracial couples that I have seen in some cities in france, and most of them were brown or black guys with white women, and the women were not even bad looking.

You need to check out reality.

Also I dont get this part '' they will fuck black guys but not marry them''.

There are many interracial children in france, in England there are like 2 million if not more and why the hell would you want to marry a french girl that has banged like 20 black or brown dudes??

She is a whore and she will never be a good wife and mother.

So even your point is not valid.

Yeah not sure what point that guy was trying to make and if his point was correct he is basically saying he is willing to wife up a girl after she has been fucked by countless ghetto guys. If he was being serious then I can understand why they say the french are beta and it makes sense why their women are going for other men.

If you want to know what a women wants don't look at the man she is married to but the man she cheats with. A women will usually get married to a man that society finds acceptable and a man she can get beta bux from. However the man she cheats with is usually someone she is purely attracted to.

[worldtraveler3]

France being a Latin nation there are many guys who are good at game. I don’t agree most are betas. There are some who let woman have all the power in the relationship and they might act more obvious like that than guys in Scandinavia, but there are a lot more game aware guys out there.

[VisionsofGandhi]

(07-08-2018 03:04 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

France being a Latin nation there are many guys who are good at game. I don’t agree most are betas. There are some who let woman have all the power in the relationship and they might act more obvious like that than guys in Scandinavia, but there are a lot more game aware guys out there.

Have you been in Scandinavia?, In sweden a sizeable percentage of men are alphas. And even the betas are quite manly

[rotinz]

(07-08-2018 03:34 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 03:04 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

France being a Latin nation there are many guys who are good at game. I don’t agree most are betas. There are some who let woman have all the power in the relationship and they might act more obvious like that than guys in Scandinavia, but there are a lot more game aware guys out there.

Have you been in Scandinavia?, In sweden a sizeable percentage of men are alphas. And even the betas are quite manly

They are definitely Alpha in appearance with the average height there being like 6feet+ however in mindset there is a lot of beta behavior over there.

[worldtraveler3]

Isn’t it common knowledge some of the Norwegian and Finnish guys are beta? Sweden may be slightly better. No, I havent been to Sweden and they may be an exception. Are you Swedish and living in Sweden?

I think we have already several discussions on Scandinavia on this topic. Isn’t this forum knowledge already?

If you prefer to argue your point I think a good idea is to take a forum vote in this topic.I do agree that the men are manly, but that doesn’t equal alphaness.

[VisionsofGandhi]

(07-08-2018 03:42 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Isn’t it common knowledge some of the Norwegian and Finnish guys are beta? Sweden may be slightly better. No, I havent been to Sweden and they may be an exception. Are you Swedish and living in Sweden?

I think we have already several discussions on Scandinavia on this topic. Isn’t this forum knowledge already?

If you prefer to argue your point I think a good idea is to take a forum vote in this topic.I do agree that the men are manly, but that doesn’t equal alphaness.

No i'm african but i've lived in Sweden all of my life so. Not alpha per se but Swedish guys aren't pussies.

[godzilla]

I never get into calling people alpha or beta. But in the Scandinavian countries its totally normal for men not to approach women.(other then the rare occasion when shitfaced) Its common to see groups of some of the best looking men just sit there in the corner quietly all night. If you think that behavior is beta, then they're beta. I would say the Norwegian men seemed to approach more then anywhere else.

French guys in general definitely approach a lot more and definitely have some decent players. Agree with worldtraveler, its common knowledge in France that men act like total bitches in relationships/marriages. One of my French friends who immigrated to France was baffled why his friends always needed permission to leave the house

[rotinz]

(07-08-2018 05:59 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

I never get into calling people alpha or beta. But in the Scandinavian countries its totally normal for men not to approach women.(other then the rare occasion when shitfaced) Its common to see groups of some of the best looking men just sit there in the corner quietly all night. If you think that behavior is beta, then they're beta. I would say the Norwegian men seemed to approach more then anywhere else.

French guys in general definitely approach a lot more and definitely have some decent players. Agree with worldtraveler, its common knowledge in France that men act like total bitches in relationships/marriages. One of my French friends who immigrated to France was baffled why his friends always needed permission to leave the house

If that's how marriages are in France then I imagine it has like the highest rate of cheating in the world. I can never understand how men can be so beta to worship a women that's cheating no them and using them.

[Dalaran1991]

(07-08-2018 02:56 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

Yeah not sure what point that guy was trying to make and if his point was correct he is basically saying he is willing to wife up a girl after she has been fucked by countless ghetto guys. If he was being serious then I can understand why they say the french are beta and it makes sense why their women are going for other men.

I bet he was serious. Even my redpill friends who are 100% with me on the decline and the nature of women, utterly refuse the idea of marrying a virgin or unexperienced girl. They expressly prefer a girl who has "go through her wild phase" - getting stuffed by countless dicks. When we couldn't agree they chalk it up to "cultural differences". Yeah, right.

Even a good French RVF member disagree with me on the idea of finding a young, virgin girl because they are "stupid and naive". For him as long as the girl has good behavior, worship him and hot he doesn't care about her notches. In contrast both me and an American RVF living in Paris prefer having low-notch count or virgins.

[pussy sniffer]

(07-08-2018 02:56 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 12:16 PM)Arjanit Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 12:48 AM)pussy sniffer Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 11:37 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

The french sluts getting stuffed by banlieu cock beg to differ. If french people are so smart why are France in such a retarded state, Your economy is controlled by Jews, Chinese and Arabs.
You're infrastructure is third world, You don't have any real power or cultural soft power. Uour president is more pussy then the colour pink. The ultimate cock married a 6o-year old whore.

I will only reply to the first sentence which is an interesting point. The rest of your babbling is worthy of a 12 years old.

French sluts are getting stuffed by banlieue cock because the locals are cucked, so they turn to the invaders (see my solution to the problem in my previous post). But they do not wish to reproduce with them. They keep to white french people for that. This is contrarily to the women from our former colonies : They want mixed kids. They don't do it because we invaded them, they do it for their genetic improvement.

Dude, i have never seen more interracial couples that I have seen in some cities in france, and most of them were brown or black guys with white women, and the women were not even bad looking.

You need to check out reality.

Also I dont get this part '' they will fuck black guys but not marry them''.

There are many interracial children in france, in England there are like 2 million if not more and why the hell would you want to marry a french girl that has banged like 20 black or brown dudes??

She is a whore and she will never be a good wife and mother.

So even your point is not valid.

Yeah not sure what point that guy was trying to make and if his point was correct he is basically saying he is willing to wife up a girl after she has been fucked by countless ghetto guys. If he was being serious then I can understand why they say the french are beta and it makes sense why their women are going for other men.

If you want to know what a women wants don't look at the man she is married to but the man she cheats with. A women will usually get married to a man that society finds acceptable and a man she can get beta bux from. However the man she cheats with is usually someone she is purely attracted to.

Serious trolling from those retards... I say A and you interpret B. Is that Dragan again?

[rotinz]

(07-09-2018 10:46 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 02:56 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

Yeah not sure what point that guy was trying to make and if his point was correct he is basically saying he is willing to wife up a girl after she has been fucked by countless ghetto guys. If he was being serious then I can understand why they say the french are beta and it makes sense why their women are going for other men.

I bet he was serious. Even my redpill friends who are 100% with me on the decline and the nature of women, utterly refuse the idea of marrying a virgin or unexperienced girl. They expressly prefer a girl who has "go through her wild phase" - getting stuffed by countless dicks. When we couldn't agree they chalk it up to "cultural differences". Yeah, right.

Even a good French RVF member disagree with me on the idea of finding a young, virgin girl because they are "stupid and naive". For him as long as the girl has good behavior, worship him and hot he doesn't care about her notches. In contrast both me and an American RVF living in Paris prefer having low-notch count or virgins.

Yeah these guys are basically just telling themselves what they want to hear because they know no matter what their girl won't be satisfied with a beta like them. In 10 years it won't even be called husband and wife, women will just start introducing men as cuckold.

[Black Caesar]

The French just don’t have all the weird mental hang ups of other places like the US

Sex isn’t some huge taboo or a thing you don’t know how to get until you’re 35 and start reading about Game in some book after a shitty marriage.

A lot of guys there are players in the True Sense but it’s hard for guys here to understand the mentality behind that maybe.

Of course there are guys there that are whipped just like anywhere else but that’s just the way of the world.

Funny to see the typical mental models applied to the French and then guys wonder why they can’t pull there.

Also the most fun French chicks are hardly met at the club though I am partial to a few for getting quick work in, the best Game is laid through seeing the girl wherever and macking or through social circle stuff.

[perception_theory]

The popular jubilation about the victory of France at the World Cup give a breath of fresh air to the gloomy atmosphere that animated this city usually

Unfortunately only for 1 week

[perception_theory]

(07-09-2018 03:49 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

The French just don’t have all the weird mental hang ups of other places like the US

Sex isn’t some huge taboo or a thing you don’t know how to get until you’re 35 and start reading about Game in some book after a shitty marriage.

A lot of guys there are players in the True Sense but it’s hard for guys here to understand the mentality behind that maybe.

Of course there are guys there that are whipped just like anywhere else but that’s just the way of the world.

Funny to see the typical mental models applied to the French and then guys wonder why they can’t pull there.

Also the most fun French chicks are hardly met at the club though I am partial to a few for getting quick work in, the best Game is laid through seeing the girl wherever and macking or through social circle stuff.

Man,

I never give the debate a racial connotation

but if I rely on the factual,

All the hot white girls from the high school was on relationship with black guy,

I'm witnessing what's happening on the street and even with the blacks guys in my social circle of friend.

If you are black in Paris you are on the pussy heaven

[rotinz]

(07-17-2018 08:39 PM)perception_theory Wrote:  

(07-09-2018 03:49 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

The French just don’t have all the weird mental hang ups of other places like the US

Sex isn’t some huge taboo or a thing you don’t know how to get until you’re 35 and start reading about Game in some book after a shitty marriage.

A lot of guys there are players in the True Sense but it’s hard for guys here to understand the mentality behind that maybe.

Of course there are guys there that are whipped just like anywhere else but that’s just the way of the world.

Funny to see the typical mental models applied to the French and then guys wonder why they can’t pull there.

Also the most fun French chicks are hardly met at the club though I am partial to a few for getting quick work in, the best Game is laid through seeing the girl wherever and macking or through social circle stuff.

Man,

I never give the debate a racial connotation

but if I rely on the factual,

All the hot white girls from the high school was on relationship with black guy,

I'm witnessing what's happening on the street and even with the blacks guys in my social circle of friend.

If you are black in Paris you are on the pussy heaven

Is this a new occurrence or has it been happening for a while? Why does French culture seem to have such a fascination with black guys? It's not just France but I hear even in Montreal, Canada that girls have a preference for black guys. Genuinely curious is there a reason for this? Do they push some kind of colonization guilt on French kids making them more liberal or something like that?

Also on your other point I'm not in France but I only graduated from high school a couple years ago and when I was in high school a lot of the girls were dating older guys in their 20s because they thought of other high school kids as imature. Do the girls do the same thing in Paris?

When girls say immature in reality I think they mean beta. But from what I see guys don't stop being beta in their 20's, 30's, 40's or even 80's. I think someone can be beta no matter their age.

Are girls going for other guys because the see French guys as beta? What reasoning do these girls usually give for going with these other guys instead of someone French?

[JohnQPublic]

(07-18-2018 02:04 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

Is this a new occurrence or has it been happening for a while? Why does French culture seem to have such a fascination with black guys? It's not just France but I hear even in Montreal, Canada that girls have a preference for black guys. Genuinely curious is there a reason for this? Do they push some kind of colonization guilt on French kids making them more liberal or something like that?

Also on your other point I'm not in France but I only graduated from high school a couple years ago and when I was in high school a lot of the girls were dating older guys in their 20s because they thought of other high school kids as imature. Do the girls do the same thing in Paris?

When girls say immature in reality I think they mean beta. But from what I see guys don't stop being beta in their 20's, 30's, 40's or even 80's. I think someone can be beta no matter their age.

Are girls going for other guys because the see French guys as beta? What reasoning do these girls usually give for going with these other guys instead of someone French?

France had colonies in Africa and the Caribbean, so they have had blacks since the 18th century. At that point they might not have been treated equally, but they weren't the underclass. In fact there are quite a few famous French from the 18th/19th centuries who were black (Josephine, the wife of Emperor Napoleon and the author Victor Hugo were supposedly mixed race). So there aren't so many negative connotations. You've probably heard about all the American jazz players going there in the 1950s because they got treated so much better than in the US.

Some French guys are really into black girls, so this isn't an alpha or beta male thing. There are other factors too. A French guy told me that race in France is a lot different than in the US in that people are not using that as the most important indicator of social class, education, etc. They look at other cues for that such as manner of speaking, behavior, adhering to social protocols, etc. I read somewhere that France has one of the highest levels of interracial couples. White French people often have blacks in their circle center, whereas in the US few whites do. So at any given level, the black guy who shows a high social level has better opportunities than he might in some other countries where they might believe that the pyramid of social value is based on race.

Don't know how true this is, but a friend who works in a multi-national ad agency told me that in France they use different visual cues to communicate certain ideas and emotions. An ad with a fat person means something is big or has a lot of space. An ad for a product with a black man means sexual virility.

[edit]
regarding the age. When I first got to Paris i was really surprised at the age difference in couples and it seemed like the girls wanted the guy to be at least 10 years older. I asked a 21yo French girl about that and she said, "Life in Paris is expensive and guys our age can't entertain us the way we want to be entertained".

[MrRoundtree]

In France it's really simple blacks were integrated in French society because they worked with equal terms with the whites and actually had opportunites to become educated to become French citizen and become social or military servants of France while in France whites were educated to understand colonies and social norms and that helped create a cohesive society.
France created its society based on its colonial possessions and has always done so even on ots own continent. Before, France had to integrate Britanny, Burgundy, Occitania, Flemish territory, Alsace, Corsica and so on..

The problem is that France received a lot of uneducated migrants way after the second world war reconstruction and that affected society but in terms of integration black french citizen were always seen as French first and not of different race.

[rotinz]

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 02:04 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

Is this a new occurrence or has it been happening for a while? Why does French culture seem to have such a fascination with black guys? It's not just France but I hear even in Montreal, Canada that girls have a preference for black guys. Genuinely curious is there a reason for this? Do they push some kind of colonization guilt on French kids making them more liberal or something like that?

Also on your other point I'm not in France but I only graduated from high school a couple years ago and when I was in high school a lot of the girls were dating older guys in their 20s because they thought of other high school kids as imature. Do the girls do the same thing in Paris?

When girls say immature in reality I think they mean beta. But from what I see guys don't stop being beta in their 20's, 30's, 40's or even 80's. I think someone can be beta no matter their age. Or is it just a case of beta bux alpha fux were they get an older guy to finance them and they fuck guys their own age?

Are girls going for other guys because the see French guys as beta? What reasoning do these girls usually give for going with these other guys instead of someone French?

France had colonies in Africa and the Caribbean, so they have had blacks since the 18th century. At that point they might not have been treated equally, but they weren't the underclass. In fact there are quite a few famous French from the 18th/19th centuries who were black (Josephine, the wife of Emperor Napoleon and the author Victor Hugo were supposedly mixed race). So there aren't so many negative connotations. You've probably heard about all the American jazz players going there in the 1950s because they got treated so much better than in the US.

Some French guys are really into black girls, so this isn't an alpha or beta male thing. There are other factors too. A French guy told me that race in France is a lot different than in the US in that people are not using that as the most important indicator of social class, education, etc. They look at other cues for that such as manner of speaking, behavior, adhering to social protocols, etc. I read somewhere that France has one of the highest levels of interracial couples. White French people often have blacks in their circle center, whereas in the US few whites do. So at any given level, the black guy who shows a high social level has better opportunities than he might in some other countries where they might believe that the pyramid of social value is based on race.

Don't know how true this is, but a friend who works in a multi-national ad agency told me that in France they use different visual cues to communicate certain ideas and emotions. An ad with a fat person means something is big or has a lot of space. An ad for a product with a black man means sexual virility.

[edit]
regarding the age. When I first got to Paris i was really surprised at the age difference in couples and it seemed like the girls wanted the guy to be at least 10 years older. I asked a 21yo French girl about that and she said, "Life in Paris is expensive and guys our age can't entertain us the way we want to be entertained".

yeah I heard black people were much more integrated in France. But a lot of people are also saying migrants are destroying the country. I think maybe in France people distinguish more between migrants and black people. In some countries they look at everything that's not the majority as the other. And lol by "entertained" do they mean they want a guy that will buy them a bunch of shit?

[JohnQPublic]

(07-18-2018 03:47 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

yeah I heard black people were much more integrated in France. But a lot of people are also saying migrants are destroying the country. I think maybe in France people distinguish more between migrants and black people. In some countries they look at everything that's not the majority as the other. And lol by "entertained" do they mean they want a guy that will buy them a bunch of shit?

French can tell the difference between the Africans or Arabs who just arrived and ones who have been there for generations. So again, it's not about skin color.

Entertained, like show you a good time. Like restaurants, go to the opera, all the stuff that French girls want to to.

[Lino]

(07-18-2018 02:36 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

France had colonies in Africa and the Caribbean, so they have had blacks since the 18th century. At that point they might not have been treated equally, but they weren't the underclass. In fact there are quite a few famous French from the 18th/19th centuries who were black (Josephine, the wife of Emperor Napoleon and the author Victor Hugo were supposedly mixed race). So there aren't so many negative connotations. You've probably heard about all the American jazz players going there in the 1950s because they got treated so much better than in the US.

That was Alexandre Dumas, not Victor Hugo.

And yes there are many mixed couples in France, over the last 5 years there was a big evolution and you now see more and more white men dating black chicks, I have to admit it annoys me a bit as black girls weren’t used to white men being interested in them so the rate of success was high, now they are having an attitude. It was a taboo and many men didn’t dare dating black chicks but not anymore. I can’t explain the phenomenon as I was away from France the last years so I don’t know what triggered it.

Regarding black men dating the better quality white girls, this is very marginal, white men still have the best quality of all girls, yes you see some black dudes with some fly white girls but thinking that black men consistently get the best girls is a mistake.

I am in purpose not active in this thread as I see too many non sense posts and hardcore racist ones. Yes there is a big negativity in Paris but frankly some posters here seem to be the typical antipathic parisians, unfriendly and always complaining.

[Rang off the Pipe]

MrRoundtree and others hit the nail on the head about France's history. French girls have their faults, as mentioned in this thread and some of the other threads about France, but they don't care as much about race as girls do here in the goode ol' USA. Social standing, social circles, and who you know matter much more than skin color when dealing with French girls.

[JohnQPublic]

(07-18-2018 04:47 PM)Lino Wrote:  

That was Alexandre Dumas, not Victor Hugo.

I stand corrected

(07-18-2018 04:47 PM)Lino Wrote:  

Regarding black men dating the better quality white girls, this is very marginal, white men still have the best quality of all girls, yes you see some black dudes with some fly white girls but thinking that black men consistently get the best girls is a mistake.

Reminds me of when i was going out all the time in Paris to select night spots a few times per week. There were a couple of African commodity traders that were always out as well. I knew who they were because they always had a table with several bottles and one was always smiling whenever I saw him, which was unusual in Paris, so one day I said, "Dude! Are you American?" and he said he was from Cameroon and he was a commodities trader.

Then some time later, one night i was with a couple of guys who really knew the nightlife scene and I ran across a girl whom I had met at some event once who was a teenage socialite and actress in french cinema and when I saw her and told one of the guys my story. He said, no no you can't go for her, she is with [name]. And it was the Cameroon commodity trader. So the black guys who have the high level French girls probably have a story to tell. And the high level [white] French guys know who they are and why they have pull.

[monsquid]

This thread finally explains why there's been so much French BBC cuckold porn out lately.

[rotinz]

(07-18-2018 05:47 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(07-18-2018 04:47 PM)Lino Wrote:  

That was Alexandre Dumas, not Victor Hugo.

I stand corrected

(07-18-2018 04:47 PM)Lino Wrote:  

Regarding black men dating the better quality white girls, this is very marginal, white men still have the best quality of all girls, yes you see some black dudes with some fly white girls but thinking that black men consistently get the best girls is a mistake.

Reminds me of when i was going out all the time in Paris to select night spots a few times per week. There were a couple of African commodity traders that were always out as well. I knew who they were because they always had a table with several bottles and one was always smiling whenever I saw him, which was unusual in Paris, so one day I said, "Dude! Are you American?" and he said he was from Cameroon and he was a commodities trader.

Then some time later, one night i was with a couple of guys who really knew the nightlife scene and I ran across a girl whom I had met at some event once who was a teenage socialite and actress in french cinema and when I saw her and told one of the guys my story. He said, no no you can't go for her, she is with [name]. And it was the Cameroon commodity trader. So the black guys who have the high level French girls probably have a story to tell. And the high level [white] French guys know who they are and why they have pull.

That sounds so weird, a teenage French socialite in cinema and a Cameroonian commodity trader. What was the age difference between these 2? Did anyone see it as weird? And why couldn't you go for her? Was the Cameroonian guy in a gang or something?