[flyinghorse]

Okay we got there.

This picture is a year old - hair loss is worse now so shaved head looks a lot worse - hence growing it out.

As you can see, the body is good, face is average.

Tattoos may scare some people but that's just how I am

[flyinghorse]

(06-05-2018 07:51 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Mate I have a head like a dropped pie, but women aren't like us and don't rate a pretty face highly.

Online will be a struggle, but if you got a good body, banter and game then you can still swoop in the flesh.

I do better once they can get the full presence of me rather than a pic.

I'm getting response online then in real life.

Last woman I asked out just no flat out.

I think theres very little risk on tinder as well because you know they already find you attractive - hence swiping right on you.

In real life you don't know if they have a boyfriend, fetish, are gay.


The odds of them being single, straight and into you may only be 3 out of 10.

[Fortis]

You're sorta flabby, I think if you lost some bodyfat it would thin out your face. You have the symmetrical face, so I don't see what the problem is.

Girls tend to like tattoos, so whatever.

Lose the dad bod, get some outdoor hobbies (so you're not so fucking pale) and you should be fine.

[brianmark]

(06-05-2018 11:07 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This sounds like a “Lookism” troll.

Everyone knows your looks aren't important, if your Game is tight!

With your travel and exciting experiences and writing, sell them on your exciting life. You're photos on social media should reflect this exciting life.

[flyinghorse]

(06-05-2018 11:42 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

You're sorta flabby, I think if you lost some bodyfat it would thin out your face. You have the symmetrical face, so I don't see what the problem is.

Girls tend to like tattoos, so whatever.

Lose the dad bod, get some outdoor hobbies (so you're not so fucking pale) and you should be fine.

Dad bod.

You are blind.

I'm in better shape than 98% of men in their 30s.

Dad body is like Leonardo dicaprios or will ferral

[Fortis]

delete

[Fortis]

(06-06-2018 12:00 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 11:42 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

You're sorta flabby, I think if you lost some bodyfat it would thin out your face. You have the symmetrical face, so I don't see what the problem is.

Girls tend to like tattoos, so whatever.

Lose the dad bod, get some outdoor hobbies (so you're not so fucking pale) and you should be fine.

Dad bod.

You are blind.

I'm in better shape than 98% of men in their 30s.

Dad body is like Leonardo dicaprios or will ferral

If you're comparing yourself to guys who don't lift, I agree.

[flyinghorse]

(06-05-2018 11:55 PM)brianmark Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 11:07 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

This sounds like a “Lookism” troll.

Everyone knows your looks aren't important, if your Game is tight!

With your travel and exciting experiences and writing, sell them on your exciting life. You're photos on social media should reflect this exciting life.

I'm pretty certain looks are important.

Nearly all the guys I know who are good with women are at least a 6.

My best friend is 6'3 and looks like chris hemsworth. I kid you not: he has girls approach him in coffee shops and supermarkets.

I didn't even know women approached like that until I hung out with him.

[tobehero]

Did you post to just vent or actually want constructive advice from this forum?

[Dulceácido]

Upper 98 percentile...



Dude, you're in decent shape, but upper 98% is a rather obtuse miscalculation. Have you seen triathletes, crossfitters, fitness pros, bodybuilders, MMA fighters, gymnasts--people like that?

Don't take it the wrong way, you're light years ahead of the curve of the average office worker, but when you say, "upper 98%" of all men your age... I gotta say that estimate needs to be adjusted.

Still, there's no reason you shouldn't be getting laid. Work on your Game.

[Fortis]

^ pretty much my point.

Get bigger, get tanner (so people can see the lines of your muscles), shave your entire head/beard combo and run tighter game.

I'm banking that a light tan and a shaved head would look better.

I don't think most guys look good pale. I could be biased, though.

[TravelerKai]

Your deltoids, chest, shoulders, and traps muscles need alot more work. Do some chainsaw rips and get those forearms on point. That beard doesn't seem to as helpful as you make it seem like especially the mustache. You look like a dime a dozen heavy metal concert goer with that baphomet tattoo and sleeves.

You may want to break down your clothing style too because you might have issues there as well. Not everyone that looks like a metal dude can branch out and appeal to all girls. I can see why you might not shave your head, you might end up looking like a skinhead dude to the tats and probably the clothes you might be wearing. You can buzz it down lower but not bald to level out your look.

If you want to compete on tinder you need to recognize that physical is a strong motivation for women because they are not hearing your voice to know what you are like.

[Dulceácido]

(06-06-2018 12:37 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Your deltoids, chest, shoulders, and traps muscles need alot more work. Do some chainsaw rips and get those forearms on point. That beard doesn't seem to as helpful as you make it seem like especially the mustache. You look like a dime a dozen heavy metal concert goer with that baphomet tattoo and sleeves.

You may want to break down your clothing style too because you might have issues there as well. Not everyone that looks like a metal dude can branch out and appeal to all girls. I can see why you might not shave your head, you might end up looking like a skinhead dude to the tats and probably the clothes you might be wearing. You can buzz it down lower but not bald to level out your look.

If you want to compete on tinder you need to recognize that physical is a strong motivation for women because they are not hearing your voice to know what you are like.

Glad you did this TK. I started to give a point-by-point physical breakdown, but I bailed out. I was gonna list every body part you said, but I was gonna ad abs.

[TravelerKai]

(06-06-2018 01:09 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 12:37 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Your deltoids, chest, shoulders, and traps muscles need alot more work. Do some chainsaw rips and get those forearms on point. That beard doesn't seem to as helpful as you make it seem like especially the mustache. You look like a dime a dozen heavy metal concert goer with that baphomet tattoo and sleeves.

You may want to break down your clothing style too because you might have issues there as well. Not everyone that looks like a metal dude can branch out and appeal to all girls. I can see why you might not shave your head, you might end up looking like a skinhead dude to the tats and probably the clothes you might be wearing. You can buzz it down lower but not bald to level out your look.

If you want to compete on tinder you need to recognize that physical is a strong motivation for women because they are not hearing your voice to know what you are like.

Glad you did this TK. I started to give a point-by-point physical breakdown, but I bailed out. I was gonna list every body part you said, but I was gonna ad abs.

Crunches and weighted ones while watching a TV show or a movie with a bitch while laying on the floor. I used to do 100 dips and crunches before going to the club. Easy. Young Men have no excuses for this. Six or eight packs are mandatory in your twenties. You have the rest of your life to relax later and your kids will destroy your test levels well enough later on. Set yourself up well now and be regular later when there is no flexibility.

[Bienvenuto]

delete.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

More important than the state of your deltoids and abs - your body is not your problem.

You need Game and Red Pill awareness - your very first post displays a lack of both. You are good-looking enough.

Your need is to read up on Game, or get yourself a good coach, or meet up with a RVF wingman.

And honestly - in certain towns and areas then yes - you may be in the top 3% of well-trained men. That is all relative on the region you find yourself. But again - this is irrelevant in this case.

Guys should not encourage you here to further deepen your overall infatuation with looks alone. Sure - you could get more ripped cut down body-fat - that would make you appear more good-looking, but some guys need to go down considerably to achieve much difference.

Either way - ultimately learning Game and becoming more Red Pill will get you laid more.

[Noir]

edit: Zel beat me to it, I also don't agree on focusing on the body insecurity and magnifying it.

You feel insecure and that's normal for most men. I am here to tell you, there is no need. Work on your confidence. If you need to workout more, go for it. If you need to bank money, hustle in your spare time. If you get validation from women, start going out more and forget about Tinder and wasting time.

Don't blame your face or body. That's a loser's mindset. There are no excuses for not getting laid except for 'I don't want it enough'.

And that's fine, it comes down to your internal priorities.

Sure, you could put on more weight and be more chiseled but it seems to me like you look good enough to pull that this should not be an issue. Plus, you have that bad boy image.

Your style is important here and clothes that accentuate what you've got.

I have a similar body to you and it's yet to be a hindrance. Ensure your body language emphasizes your presence too.

Your attitude needs to change ASAP though. Stop looking for reasons to be rejected and put yourself out there with women.

Try new shit and get feedback from chicks you fuck (even better if you can read cues and get real-time feedback to adjust on the fly).

I am not sure if the advice in this thread (about physique) will help you if you're feeling insecure and mining for validation so if you're not ready for the plunge, save this and work on your shit and come back to it.

Shift your focus twofold.

a) With women, focus on projecting your strengths.

What are they? Attracted women will ignore anything else in favour of what they like in you. Figure out what it is and how to project.


b) In your own time, focus on working on your weaknesses.

This is whatever you define but don't let it define you. You want to be a well balanced individual (congruence).

This includes career, mindset, aesthetics and game.

[flyinghorse]

(06-06-2018 12:29 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Upper 98 percentile...



Dude, you're in decent shape, but upper 98% is a rather obtuse miscalculation. Have you seen triathletes, crossfitters, fitness pros, bodybuilders, MMA fighters, gymnasts--people like that?

Don't take it the wrong way, you're light years ahead of the curve of the average office worker, but when you say, "upper 98%" of all men your age... I gotta say that estimate needs to be adjusted.

Still, there's no reason you shouldn't be getting laid. Work on your Game.

In my country, if you are not fat you are already in the top 30%

A world class athlete is in the top 0.001% of the population.

They are less than 1 in 10,000.

If you got a 100 thirty somethings lined up in a room then I feel confident I will be at least in the top 5 and i'm saying that as a humble man.

I'd say my body is my best part of my appearance.

[flyinghorse]

(06-06-2018 12:37 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Your deltoids, chest, shoulders, and traps muscles need alot more work. Do some chainsaw rips and get those forearms on point. That beard doesn't seem to as helpful as you make it seem like especially the mustache. You look like a dime a dozen heavy metal concert goer with that baphomet tattoo and sleeves.

You may want to break down your clothing style too because you might have issues there as well. Not everyone that looks like a metal dude can branch out and appeal to all girls. I can see why you might not shave your head, you might end up looking like a skinhead dude to the tats and probably the clothes you might be wearing. You can buzz it down lower but not bald to level out your look.

If you want to compete on tinder you need to recognize that physical is a strong motivation for women because they are not hearing your voice to know what you are like.

Thanks man.

I'm going to work on the shoulders and traps a little more.

I'm on a bulk right now so hopefully I will improve these areas in the next 3 months.

Chest is a little more difficult because of a shoulder injury I cant lift heavy on the chest (but I can oddly still workout the shoulders pretty well).

As for the beard - its longer now - women usually compliment it. I've shaved it before but some people have not liked it shaven. Its a little bit insulting because it means they don't like my normal face!

My jaw is a little weak (round like dicaprios) and I think this is why I look better with a beard

[flyinghorse]

(06-06-2018 01:54 AM)Noir Wrote:  

edit: Zel beat me to it, I also don't agree on focusing on the body insecurity and magnifying it.

You feel insecure and that's normal for most men. I am here to tell you, there is no need. Work on your confidence. If you need to workout more, go for it. If you need to bank money, hustle in your spare time. If you get validation from women, start going out more and forget about Tinder and wasting time.

Don't blame your face or body. That's a loser's mindset. There are no excuses for not getting laid except for 'I don't want it enough'.

And that's fine, it comes down to your internal priorities.

Sure, you could put on more weight and be more chiseled but it seems to me like you look good enough to pull that this should not be an issue. Plus, you have that bad boy image.

Your style is important here and clothes that accentuate what you've got.

I have a similar body to you and it's yet to be a hindrance. Ensure your body language emphasizes your presence too.

Your attitude needs to change ASAP though. Stop looking for reasons to be rejected and put yourself out there with women.

Try new shit and get feedback from chicks you fuck (even better if you can read cues and get real-time feedback to adjust on the fly).

I am not sure if the advice in this thread (about physique) will help you if you're feeling insecure and mining for validation so if you're not ready for the plunge, save this and work on your shit and come back to it.

Shift your focus twofold.

a) With women, focus on projecting your strengths.

What are they? Attracted women will ignore anything else in favour of what they like in you. Figure out what it is and how to project.


b) In your own time, focus on working on your weaknesses.

This is whatever you define but don't let it define you. You want to be a well balanced individual (congruence).

This includes career, mindset, aesthetics and game.

I have to admit - I presume its looks because why else might a woman reject you off the bat if they don't know your personality yet?

A: strengths are probably my experience, i'm well read, and well traveled. I'm also quite articulate. I don't know if this is a strength to women but I'm a kind person and a good teacher.

B: Weaknesses are that I can be negative sometimes and a little bit lazy. I also feel my hair is a weakness too but im trying to fix it.

[Dulceácido]

Not sure where you're from, but I'd like to move there and open a gym and start a professional training regimen for fatties if there is a bigger obesity problem than in the USA.

And I wasn't comparing you to elite athletes, I was comparing you to people I workout with at my gym. They are athletes, but not like what you are describing. I hope I didn't offend you, that was certainly not my intent.

The last sentence of my post was for you to work on your Game. Others have agreed. You're not a bad looking dude, you could stay exactly how you are physically and you should be killing pussy, if you learn Game.

Being "negative and lazy" is a huge problem. Fix that quickly.
Your hair? I think you've blown this out of proportion and are obsessing over it a little bit. Shave that shit bald and forget about it. Keep the beard--it's in fashion these days and if you have a weak chin, the beard will be a wonderful accessory. Good luck.

[flyinghorse]

(06-06-2018 02:19 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Not sure where you're from, but I'd like to move there and open a gym and start a professional training regimen for fatties if there is a bigger obesity problem than in the USA.

And I wasn't comparing you to elite athletes, I was comparing you to people I workout with at my gym. They are athletes, but not like what you are describing. I hope I didn't offend you, that was certainly not my intent.

The last sentence of my post was for you to work on your Game. Others have agreed. You're not a bad looking dude, you could stay exactly how you are physically and you should be killing pussy, if you learn Game.

Being "negative and lazy" is a huge problem. Fix that quickly.
Your hair? I think you've blown this out of proportion and are obsessing over it a little bit. Shave that shit bald and forget about it. Keep the beard--it's in fashion these days and if you have a weak chin, the beard will be a wonderful accessory. Good luck.

Can anything be done for laziness. I think its built in by the age of 18. Its similar to ethics or empathy. They seldom change beyond early adulthood.

I say lazy as in; I do my job, I workout, I write 3,000 words a week.

Obviously I have more free time but I'm not a workhorse.

I'm trying to stop the negativity. I feel I need a tattoo on my wrist to remind me.

[Fortis]

Nothing can be done about attitude, ethics, game, fitness or diet. All of those things are totally drilled into you by the age of 5. Sorry, your parents screwed you over. Your best bet is to do nothing for the next 50 years until you die. better luck in the next life.

[Bienvenuto]

I can empathise a lot with where you seem to be and how you feel about life as I have similar experiences.

It seems that you are in stasis.

Not comfortable enough in any way to be happy with your situation.
Not uncomfortable enough to do anything about it.

I presume that you have read threads where people are judging that its gone from ---

80% of the women wanting (or even believing they are entitled to) 20% of the men to 90% of the women /wanting 10% of the men to 95%/5% in 2018.

Nothing in your posts/ pics/ description/ vibe/ job says anything other than putting out a 'meh' vibe.

On the subject of being a writer, literate etc.

from this thread..

thread-67201...ht=hobbies

>>>>>>>"Hobbies that are Neutral

Key point - women do not want to date their "best friend" or even someone they have a lot in common with. A lot of the women I've banged this year were liberals, thought camping would be "gross", and the thought of going to church was foreign.

Within a few months, they're suddenly open to Trump, camping "was like SO FUN!!!", and they're asking me to take them to church. They were turned on how by how different I am than most of the men they meet online, and how pigheadedly dedicated I am about my hobbies, lifestyle, and person. I know exactly who I am, what I want, and I will change for no woman. They can change for me.

That aside, this is the stuff that I enjoy doing that doesn't necessarily add any attraction to a relationship, but sometimes they'll want to know more...

Reading (mostly philosophy, theology, and history), writing (I write a very popular blog that some women read and others don't care about), wine, art history, plays / opera / musicals / jazz performances (some love going, some hate it), restaurants (it does score you points to know all the cool fun places to go), politics (most women only care about abortion, Planned Parenthood, and "TRUMP IS EVIL!!!", but sometimes you can engage them on a higher level), religion (this grows on women when you're in an LTR, though. They usually think it's weird at first, but then they come to respect it, and even want to be part of it), your job (what I do is too complicated to explain to them), fantasy sports, poker, running (they don't care how far you can run, and most like beefier guys anyway), computers, gardening, yoga (if done right, yoga is actually a good place to meet women and a fine activity, especially for fighters), photography (can sometimes be moved into the "sexy" category if you're really good at it, and do it in dangerous spots), real estate / investing, etc.

These are all great things. However, hobbies that are intellectually stimulating do not generate or maintain attraction - even if she's into the same stuff.

Often you'll meet a girl who is a bookworm and loves jazz, yet she's banging the bartender who hasn't read a book since he dropped out of high school.

Opposites do attract.

Having hobbies in common with women doesn't mean they will be attracted to you. If anything, most of them want to be exposed to something new and different. The Democrat atheist female often finds herself attracted to the jacked Trump supporter who goes to church every Sunday." <<<<<

There's nothing wrong with your face or your appearance.

In a highly competitive market you just haven't leveraged them into strengths - see car entrepreneur pic earlier in the thread for an example of leveraging.

I get the impression that you haven't seen the real competition where you are. They may not be in the same places you are but they are contacting the same girls you meet in person, on line at least.

As far as when your responses start talking about "I AM in the top 98%" "I am a catch" "its a good job that I have"

(you have the most pussy drying up job in the Western World) ..

I am guilty of the same thoughts and responses. We are all shielded from the brutal competitive realities we don't exactly measure up to by our little social/work/commute/home bubbles.

See this thread for reading those responses from someone else as a disinterested bystander..

thread-65169...reat+cards

[Dulceácido]

(06-06-2018 03:40 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Nothing can be done about attitude, ethics, game, fitness or diet. All of those things are totally drilled into you by the age of 5. Sorry, your parents screwed you over. Your best bet is to do nothing for the next 50 years until you die. better luck in the next life.

I pray to God that there is not a language barrier thing that fails to deliver this hilariousness to its proper recipient.

I, too, wondered how to sarcastically reply to a (presumably) grown man who asked me how to not be lazy. I think you accomplished it quite nicely.