[churros]

Maybe this is my recent experience making me cautious, but it's not worth the risk. Get the hell out of there. Not worth potential consequences if she suddenly flips and accuses you of something.

[Akwesi]

Agree with churros. You never know if she was really abused or just like making shit up. Either ways she's probably severly fucked up, and yes, she probably likes very rough and degrading sex. At any rate, don't talk to her about this stuff. Girls, especially girls like this, see empathy as weakness.

I'm assuming you're in a jurisdiction where any S/M can later be turned into an assault or rape charge if she feels regret or is pissed that you dumped her. I say "stay away", but as others have said you are probably not actually going to take the advice.

[roc_student]

Thanks guys, I really value your wise advice on this forum.

A few points:

-A couple of you suggested I'm getting too hung up/invested in one girl: for me it's just a matter of ROI. I'm very busy right now with projects, and the sex with her is easy and enjoyable, so I was just curious how to keep our FWB situation going for as long as possible before fizzling out.
-To those who said "don't waste your time with low value women who are abused and already have a BF" - she's hot, and the sex is great and takes minimal effort/upkeep. Period. So I'm not sure what is low value about her? I'm not looking for a wife right now. I could honestly give a shit about a woman's personality. She meets my current needs, so who are you to judge?
-To guys who question the morals of starting a thread like this ("how to game girls who have been abused"), it's really very simple: I like to take advantage of my environment, and if I find myself with a hot girl who happened to have been abused by her dad in the past (and we are talking ACTUAL, scarring child abuse--she doesn't even talk to him anymore), I'm curious to know how to play that to my advantage. Maybe that makes me a "bad person" - I thought you guys were all fellow sociopaths, but maybe not
-Starting a thread like this is no different than asking how to best game Ukrainian girls or college girls. Yes, all women are the same deep down, but there are also group differences and a good player knows how to adapt/exploit them (hence Roosh's awesome guides on various countries). Just as Ukrainian women and college girls have their particularities, so do girls who have been abused as children (at least that was my thinking).

Again, plenty of wisdom here, guys. Thanks.

[torridon747]

You're getting those types of responses because it seems like you lack abundance. Also you're being a little incongruent with what you're saying, which may be your own rationalizations for continuing to do something that may not truly be in your best interest. Like you saying you're a really busy guy but you're making forum threads on this one girl and have dedicated a fair amount of effort and response - which I know you're going to say - but I type 80 WPM this isn't anything - i wrote this on the shitter - blah blah blah. She's taking up real-estate in your head and your actions. And no matter what you say in the amount of time and effort you've spent doing this you could have come up with new leads, or at least done some study/infield experience to move t'word that finding new girls to bang. The fact that this abused girl with a boyfriend isn't completely disposable and replaceable to you is a red flag, as is the fact you keep coming up with rebuttals.

But alright, lets take your word for it. Lets say you have abundance, you don't care about this girl other than wanting to fuck her, you're a sociopath with everything in the world to do other than when sticking your dick in this hot mess is an available option. Read Kona's post.

You're going to want to give her grade A dick. Not fucking around, if you're not making her cum 3-4 times per session rethink what you're doing sexually. She's attached, she's hot, you're going to want to give her something nobody else is right now. Dominating, rough, hot, and hopefully degrading sex. I assume you're already doing this, since she's hot and coming back.

If she's actually pretty attractive and since she has boyfriend (who's a cuck, likely an emotional tampon, and in my personal opinion sounds like a complete bitch) you're going to want to give her the discipline, direction, and instruction she craves and likely no man will have the balls to give her because she's hot. Start dominating her mind. Every time she shit tests you or disagrees with what you're saying quickly and efficiently prove her wrong. I like to incorporate spanking a lot. Spank her whenever she says "whatever", tell her you don't like the word or disrespect it carries. Stare deep into her eyes like you're waiting for something when she objects to what you say or a plan you have, don't flinch, don't waiver, just wait. When she says "What", tell her you're going to spank her.

I like to cement domination physically (not via violence, obviously) with girls who have daddy issues/checkered past but it can be a land mine. Some things may trigger complete obedience in them some things they may reject for obvious reasons. I like to tell them to get me a glass of water or grab me X from the car or whatever and if they refuse pin them down and threaten to spit in their face/spank them/pee on them whatever. You may have to back this up once in a while, be prepared to do it. It's important to do this with a hefty pinch of joking/fun demeanor especially at first. Physicality is a large part of gaining submission in any creature.

The best way I know to get those kinds of girls to stay with you is to dominate them completely, figure out what makes them tic. Absofuckinglutely do not listen to what they say or what they like, that's not important. Their body language, and what they do absolutely is. Push them and push them and push them and gauge the reaction. Push them as far as they are willing to go, level out, and push them more. Boil the frog slow. If you step over the line, pull them back in. Tell them how beautiful they look. Say "but I thought you liked being peed on, spit on, spanked. How could a beautiful girl like you not". When they do what you say without question or while being sweet call her a good girl, but you better make her work for the rewards and love you give her. Don't give it away for free, that's your best tool. She will do this stuff because she wants that sick dopamine/seritonin/oxytocin hit from being daddies best bitch.

Give her a nickname, don't use her own name. Introduce it gradually. You want her to be in your world when she's with you and ideally forget her shitty cuck boyfriend garbage life world exists when she's with you and you're the only thing that can alleviate all the weight and stress of the shitty world she's living in.

However, this type of thing is best done at the very beginning and your frame must be unwavering. What works for me may not work for you, and what works for one girl doesn't always work for another. You have to get a feel for what plane their brains reward cycle is on and how deep her subconscious need for domination goes.

Dominating these types of girls completely is the only way I know to keep them around for any meaningful amount of time, fucking them is the easy part. It usually takes pretty intermediate to advanced level game and guessing by your posts you're not quite there yet. So like I said I think your time is better spent elsewhere. Good luck

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Disclaimer, do not be physically violent or seriously imposing in a way that will make her fear for her safety. That's all bad, for her, and probably for you too cuz bitch is crazy and has a boyfriend that will back whatever dumb shit story she comes up with up. The goal is to get her chasing after your approval, love, and amazing cock - not to give her stockholme syndrome or make her abusive past memories flare up.

[godfather dust]

The most fucked up abused/crazy girl I knew (late teens early 20s)

EVERYONE fucked her (smoke weed or do a line with her she's fucking)

The only dude who dated her who's life she didn't fuck up somehow used to give her regular beatings (he told me, not her.)

You want this chick? She'll probably say you raped her, but maybe committing a different felony (domestic violence) will get you "repeat bangs no GF."

How are you catching feeling for an admitted head-fucked-molested-hoe?

[asdfk]

You must be trolling.

Anyway. Look at the time investment. Getting a new girl should take 5 hours or less if you learn how to do it.

How much time have you spend on this bitch? Thinking about "the best ways to game an abused girl?" Posting a thread about it?

How much time will you spend when this inevitably blows up?

You can save yourself the trouble. Focus on getting new girls. As an other poster wrote, you don't seem to come from an abundance mentality.

Quote:

Starting a thread like this is no different than asking how to best game Ukrainian girls or college girls.

If you cannot tell the difference with asking us how to keep a girl that has been molested, I'd take a long, hard look in the mirror and then headbutt your own reflection.

[Avadhuta]

Any updates on this OP?

[blck]

(06-22-2018 07:12 AM)Avadhuta Wrote:  

Any updates on this OP?

OP applying all the advices in this thread

[Oz.]

Her: "I've been abused before"

Me:

[roc_student]

Eugenics, thanks, very valuable stuff in here. Thanks for challenging my assumptions/mentality, it makes me a better man and thinker. Keeping me honest bro.

And your reasoning behind giving a chick a nickname is brilliant.

For those who wanted an update: As expected, she likes it rough. Biting, spanking, choking, slapping, the usual. (She's been with guys who were straight-up abusive (i.e. beating her), but I'm not going down that road). The situation is very simple and low-maintenance. She comes over, we hang out for a bit, I dominate her in bed, hang out a bit more. She leaves. Typical FWB. I am distant af with text. I never go out with her or do anything in the "real world", only see her in my apartment. It's ideal for where I'm at in life.

In terms of lessons learned:
-It's one thing to be dominating/masculine in bed, but ROUGH is a different story, and if you're not used to a girl who needs that (choking, slapping, etc) it can take some adjusting if it isn't your default. Worth honing that skill. And knowing what is too far, and what is not far enough, by testing the boundaries.
-In her mind, comparing me to her "BF": it's a walk in the park because he is available every day, whereas I am scarce. So my value rises relative to his. He expresses jealousy/possessiveness about her seeing me, whereas I never do the same. I become the special treat that she has to wait for.

I second Eugenics' saying that you must watch how they react, NOT what they say. This applies not only to sex, but game in general. Indeed, people in general: judge a man by his deeds, not his words (talk is cheap). Interestingly, her words are actually congruent with what she likes in bed. She SAYS she wants to be torn apart, dominated.

I value this thread especially for the inner-game and outlook issues that it raised.

However TBH with you guys, something I still don't understand is how asking how to game abused girls is different in principle from asking how to game, say, Ukrainian girls. Group-level patterns, my friends.

How to game Spanish girls
How to game rich girls
How to game hipster girls
How to game girls in a bookstore
How to game girls on the street
How to game girls who have been abused

All are equally valid questions, in my mind.

[NoMoreTO]

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