[boo]

I'm not sure what the correct title should be, but oh well.

We all talk about MLTRs, threesomes, etc. But after a while it gets kind of boring and empty, as most girls have the personality of a brick. Yet I cannot bring myself to just settle for one girl. So I'd like to try to take the game to the next level. Making a "throuple" with two bi girls.

I think the main reason MLTRs may not be long-term sustainable is because the girls eventually get jealous of each other, wanting more commitment, and move on. They wouldn't get jealous if they would be into each other. They could even keep each other company while you're out gaming other pussy.


So far I have one bi girl in a LTR, scored some 3somes with her but her girl-game sucks, so I have to do the heavy lifting, and she can't handle the post-coitus awkwardness. It would be better if I could bring a 2nd girl in that she can better "bond" with. But I'm having difficulties bridging this "gap" with the potential others. Although I often screen girls for half-lesbians attributes on a regular basis, most are reluctant to venture into more "complex" relationships.

Anyone done this? Anyone trying to do this? Have any relateable stories?

I like the girl, I wouldn't want to dump her, but I can't for the life of me see myself settling down with one girl. Feels to me like this is the only real way forward. And all my gaming has to build up to this. Or is this being too outcome dependent?

[Tiger Man]

I can't speak from personal experience. Nor have I conducted any studies on throuples. But, I have read a few.

As I recall, most proper throuples (MFF), where it was a true three-way relationship, start between an established MF couple and a close female friend. Often the third woman lived with the couple before the relationship began (as a roommate for example). So, you may want to think of some ways you could develop intimacy (as a couple) with another woman. I don't think just pulling some bi chick from a club for a threeway would convert to a relationship very often. Also, I assume it will be a steep hurdle to convince the woman/women that you are not just pursuing this to satiate a well-known male sexual fantasy. As it sounds like this is not the case for you, you may want to consider how you are going to sell the "vision" of this relationship to the women.

And the main thing to worry about in a throuple, as I recall, is not that the girls will get jealous of one another. The main problem is that they may leave you. I distinctly recall reading that the overwhelming majority of throuple relationship breakdowns happened when the two women booked it and left the man hung out to dry. In a number of cases studied, there were children involved and the women (of course) took them, as well.

I don't have access to my journal pass right now, but when I do I will look up the research to confirm what I wrote.

[boo]

" you are not just pursuing this to satiate a well-known male sexual fantasy."
Well, I am. But ideally one would frame it as a win-win-win situation for all. )

My basic idea is to try to properly polarize the relationship(s) so that whatever "feminine energy" they might want, does not come from me, but they must rely in each other.
I can't exactly tell if they should be similar in personality so that they bond, or dissimilar so that the relationship between them is complementary.

"the overwhelming majority of throuple relationship breakdowns happened when the two women booked it and left the man hung out to dry."
That's the least of my worries. If that happens then I can just move on with at least a throuple notch under my belt. But it's highly unlikely.

But that's my main sort-of tactic now. Try to build up a low-key "beta-style" game of constructing a social circle populated with bi girls, while maintaining a hands-off but alpha style frame, and hopefully one would click with my girl and I can try to push it forward from there.

But I'm not sure that will necessarily work.
Hoping at least someone here already tried doing this with some degree of success.

[kaotic]

You write like a theorist and not a realist.

How many girls have you banged?

How many threesomes have you had?

How many open relationships have you had?

Have you been in orgies?

Have you dated bisexual girls before?

Have you been with swingers before?

[ColSpanker]

(05-21-2018 02:45 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I can't speak from personal experience. Nor have I conducted any studies on throuples. But, I have read a few.

As I recall, most proper throuples (MFF), where it was a true three-way relationship, start between an established MF couple and a close female friend. Often the third woman lived with the couple before the relationship began (as a roommate for example). So, you may want to think of some ways you could develop intimacy (as a couple) with another woman. I don't think just pulling some bi chick from a club for a threeway would convert to a relationship very often. Also, I assume it will be a steep hurdle to convince the woman/women that you are not just pursuing this to satiate a well-known male sexual fantasy. As it sounds like this is not the case for you, you may want to consider how you are going to sell the "vision" of this relationship to the women.

And the main thing to worry about in a throuple, as I recall, is not that the girls will get jealous of one another. The main problem is that they may leave you. I distinctly recall reading that the overwhelming majority of throuple relationship breakdowns happened when the two women booked it and left the man hung out to dry. In a number of cases studied, there were children involved and the women (of course) took them, as well.

I don't have access to my journal pass right now, but when I do I will look up the research to confirm what I wrote.

Would like to see that study as well.
Tiger Man is on his way to becoming a national resource.

[Gray Beard]

(05-21-2018 01:55 AM)boo Wrote:  

I'm not sure what the correct title should be, but oh well.

We all talk about MLTRs, threesomes, etc. But after a while it gets kind of boring and empty, as most girls have the personality of a brick. Yet I cannot bring myself to just settle for one girl. So I'd like to try to take the game to the next level. Making a "throuple" with two bi girls.

I think the main reason MLTRs may not be long-term sustainable is because the girls eventually get jealous of each other, wanting more commitment, and move on. They wouldn't get jealous if they would be into each other. They could even keep each other company while you're out gaming other pussy.


So far I have one bi girl in a LTR, scored some 3somes with her but her girl-game sucks, so I have to do the heavy lifting, and she can't handle the post-coitus awkwardness. It would be better if I could bring a 2nd girl in that she can better "bond" with. But I'm having difficulties bridging this "gap" with the potential others. Although I often screen girls for half-lesbians attributes on a regular basis, most are reluctant to venture into more "complex" relationships.

Anyone done this? Anyone trying to do this? Have any relateable stories?

I like the girl, I wouldn't want to dump her, but I can't for the life of me see myself settling down with one girl. Feels to me like this is the only real way forward. And all my gaming has to build up to this. Or is this being too outcome dependent?

"Throuple" sounds too much like "trouble," giving ammunition to some posters here. Anyway, you asked if anybody here has done it or has stories about it. In the past, I had worked hard to achieve it but only got short term FMF threesomes. Those happened years ago and, with one exception, they started by me convincing my main girl to invite my side girl. They all broke apart after one or two "sessions" because in each case only two of the three possible pairings were viable: In most cases the FF part did not work, in one case the MF did not work between me and the "guest" (which, in that case, was recruited by my main girl). At the time, I could handle two girls that competed over me but the whole thing didn't work right nonetheless. Today, I don't think I can satisfy two girls who are jealous of each other, so I would only do FMF if I knew that the FF part was going to work properly. Finally, it's for another thread, and there are several like that, but perhaps IF you can't find the "unicorn" you are looking for, consider a semi-open relationship, where you can play and she can't. If she is bi, I would allow her to play too, provided it is only with other Fs (it is the idea of another dick in my woman that revolts me; another girl might even develop to be your unicorn).

(05-21-2018 02:45 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I can't speak from personal experience. Nor have I conducted any studies on throuples. But, I have read a few.

As I recall, most proper throuples (MFF), where it was a true three-way relationship, start between an established MF couple and a close female friend. Often the third woman lived with the couple before the relationship began (as a roommate for example). So, you may want to think of some ways you could develop intimacy (as a couple) with another woman. I don't think just pulling some bi chick from a club for a threeway would convert to a relationship very often. Also, I assume it will be a steep hurdle to convince the woman/women that you are not just pursuing this to satiate a well-known male sexual fantasy. As it sounds like this is not the case for you, you may want to consider how you are going to sell the "vision" of this relationship to the women.

And the main thing to worry about in a throuple, as I recall, is not that the girls will get jealous of one another. The main problem is that they may leave you. I distinctly recall reading that the overwhelming majority of throuple relationship breakdowns happened when the two women booked it and left the man hung out to dry. In a number of cases studied, there were children involved and the women (of course) took them, as well.

I don't have access to my journal pass right now, but when I do I will look up the research to confirm what I wrote.

I join those who are looking forward to read those sources. As to the first highlighted part, OP already commented on that and I join his sentiment: There is nothing wrong with wanting to fulfil your fantasies. As to the second, I strongly suspect that when the women are jealous of each other the relationship cannot become long-term in the first place, and that's why breakups of long term triangles like that are not due to that. And, again, I agree with OP, you can't worry about such things because if you are afraid of being ditched, you will not have a happy relationship. Being ready to call it quits is a necessary condition for any successful relationship: My two cents. But as an academic expert here is another point on which you might have knowledge. Speaking for myself, and I am pretty confident for most men, we would not be interested in inviting a masculine bi girl, but rather we'd want both of them to be feminine (femme-like). Does that make the mutual attraction between them less likely? Any data on the frequency of bi-sexual girls in the population? And about their main tilt? Last but not least, looks like good advice about building the relationship with the extra F over time. I general, I believe in relationships that start with a strong immediate attraction, but in this case the Fs may need to overcome strong inhibitions: Even established bi girls do not necessarily want a threesome, be it FMF or FFF.

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You write like a theorist and not a realist.

How many girls have you banged?

How many threesomes have you had?

How many open relationships have you had?

Have you been in orgies?

Have you dated bisexual girls before?

Have you been with swingers before?

Just wondering, is this post about criticizing OP (who made no claims of success in his quest) or are you claiming that you have experience in this? If the latter, was that a good or a bad experience?

[boo]

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You write like a theorist and not a realist.

That's because this whole throuple harem concept is basically just theoretical to me.
English is also not my first language and I don't live stateside.

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

How many girls have you banged?

Not that many. Roughly 40~50 since I started gaming. But enough to start getting bored.
I don't have big issues pulling outside LTRs
Or while traveling

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

How many threesomes have you had?

3

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

How many open relationships have you had?

0 open relationships
My max rotation at some point was ~6.

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Have you been in orgies?

No

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Have you dated bisexual girls before?

Banged some but this is the first LTR I got one in.

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Have you been with swingers before?

No

If the information helps, I'm up for pointers.

[boo]

I think the FF part is the most critical part to work properly.
I've been mining bi-girls for info for some time now. I just filter girls for bi-ness now, if I don't feel they're a good fit for my situation I try to get an idea of what makes them tick.

So far it feels they are a mix of male logical brain and feminine emotional desire. They talk about how hot chicks are but still like to be treated like women. Partially gaming them confirms this. At least the ones I met. You can somewhat talk to them like you would to a man, which I find to be a great benefit.

Indeed, most bi girls aren't really into the 3way thing, even just sexual, let alone "more". With my current girl there's a recurring joke about adding a girl to the relationship. And we all know jokes are partly true. But so far the threesomes haven't materialized into anything more.

I don't really want to have them compete over me. Ideally a win-win-win situation would have them manage to get a good chunk of their emotional need covered by each other. Imo if they can get their need of "femininity" from each other and "masculinity" from me, that should do it. In theory.

(05-23-2018 02:39 AM)Gray Beard Wrote:  

Speaking for myself, and I am pretty confident for most men, we would not be interested in inviting a masculine bi girl, but rather we'd want both of them to be feminine (femme-like). Does that make the mutual attraction between them less likely? Any data on the frequency of bi-sexual girls in the population? And about their main tilt?

Yeah that would be great data to start from.
I agree, I'd also like them to be feminine. Keep the masculine part of the story all to myself. So far the one I have is feminine, albeit a bit clumsy and awkward about it. Would a second one need to be similarly clumsy to bond over the awkwardness, or more confident to compensate for the first one's issues. Would that lead to some jealousy though?

The thing is that the whole introduction has to go right from the start. I doubt that I'd have more than 2 shots at this before the girl becomes weary, self-conscious or otherwise suspicious that I care too much about this.

I'd say the main starting point to lead to a lasting relationship is to screen early for bi girls that do not say "ew" to this sort of poly, build attraction but friendzone them. Then let them bond with my girl and try to nudge it from there.

But I can't tell for sure. I'm certain I'm missing some variables that might make or break the deal. Like family issues or social circles. Any reference experience is helpful.

[Gray Beard]

(05-21-2018 01:55 AM)boo Wrote:  

I'm not sure what the correct title should be, but oh well.

We all talk about MLTRs, threesomes, etc. But after a while it gets kind of boring and empty, as most girls have the personality of a brick. Yet I cannot bring myself to just settle for one girl. So I'd like to try to take the game to the next level. Making a "throuple" with two bi girls.

I think the main reason MLTRs may not be long-term sustainable is because the girls eventually get jealous of each other, wanting more commitment, and move on. They wouldn't get jealous if they would be into each other. They could even keep each other company while you're out gaming other pussy.


So far I have one bi girl in a LTR, scored some 3somes with her but her girl-game sucks, so I have to do the heavy lifting, and she can't handle the post-coitus awkwardness. It would be better if I could bring a 2nd girl in that she can better "bond" with. But I'm having difficulties bridging this "gap" with the potential others. Although I often screen girls for half-lesbians attributes on a regular basis, most are reluctant to venture into more "complex" relationships.

Anyone done this? Anyone trying to do this? Have any relateable stories?

I like the girl, I wouldn't want to dump her, but I can't for the life of me see myself settling down with one girl. Feels to me like this is the only real way forward. And all my gaming has to build up to this. Or is this being too outcome dependent?

"Throuple" sounds too much like "trouble," giving ammunition to some posters here. Anyway, you asked if anybody here has done it or has stories about it. In the past, I had worked hard to achieve it but only got short term FMF threesomes. Those happened years ago and, with one exception, they started by me convincing my main girl to invite my side girl. They all broke apart after one or two "sessions" because in each case only two of the three possible pairings were viable: In most cases the FF part did not work, in one case the MF did not work between me and the "guest" (which, in that case, was recruited by my main girl). At the time, I could handle two girls that competed over me but the whole thing didn't work right nonetheless. Today, I don't think I can satisfy two girls who are jealous of each other, so I would only do FMF if I knew that the FF part was going to work properly. Finally, it's for another thread, and there are several like that, but perhaps IF you can't find the "unicorn" you are looking for, consider a semi-open relationship, where you can play and she can't. If she is bi, I would allow her to play too, provided it is only with other Fs (it is the idea of another dick in my woman that revolts me; another girl might even develop to be your unicorn).

(05-21-2018 02:45 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I can't speak from personal experience. Nor have I conducted any studies on throuples. But, I have read a few.

As I recall, most proper throuples (MFF), where it was a true three-way relationship, start between an established MF couple and a close female friend. Often the third woman lived with the couple before the relationship began (as a roommate for example). So, you may want to think of some ways you could develop intimacy (as a couple) with another woman. I don't think just pulling some bi chick from a club for a threeway would convert to a relationship very often. Also, I assume it will be a steep hurdle to convince the woman/women that you are not just pursuing this to satiate a well-known male sexual fantasy. As it sounds like this is not the case for you, you may want to consider how you are going to sell the "vision" of this relationship to the women.

And the main thing to worry about in a throuple, as I recall, is not that the girls will get jealous of one another. The main problem is that they may leave you. I distinctly recall reading that the overwhelming majority of throuple relationship breakdowns happened when the two women booked it and left the man hung out to dry. In a number of cases studied, there were children involved and the women (of course) took them, as well.

I don't have access to my journal pass right now, but when I do I will look up the research to confirm what I wrote.

I join those who are looking forward to read those sources. As to the first highlighted part, OP already commented on that and I join his sentiment: There is nothing wrong with wanting to fulfil your fantasies. As to the second, I strongly suspect that when the women are jealous of each other the relationship cannot become long-term in the first place, and that's why breakups of long term triangles like that are not due to that. And, again, I agree with OP, you can't worry about such things because if you are afraid of being ditched, you will not have a happy relationship. Being ready to call it quits is a necessary condition for any successful relationship: My two cents. But as an academic expert here is another point on which you might have knowledge. Speaking for myself, and I am pretty confident for most men, we would not be interested in inviting a masculine bi girl, but rather we'd want both of them to be feminine (femme-like). Does that make the mutual attraction between them less likely? Any data on the frequency of bi-sexual girls in the population? And about their main tilt? Last but not least, looks like good advice about building the relationship with the extra F over time. I general, I believe in relationships that start with a strong immediate attraction, but in this case the Fs may need to overcome strong inhibitions: Even established bi girls do not necessarily want a threesome, be it FMF or FFF.

(05-22-2018 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You write like a theorist and not a realist.

How many girls have you banged?

How many threesomes have you had?

How many open relationships have you had?

Have you been in orgies?

Have you dated bisexual girls before?

Have you been with swingers before?

Just wondering, is this post about criticizing OP (who made no claims of success in his quest) or are you claiming that you have experience in this? If the latter, was that a good or a bad experience?

[kaotic]

(05-23-2018 02:39 AM)Gray Beard Wrote:  

Just wondering, is this post about criticizing OP (who made no claims of success in his quest) or are you claiming that you have experience in this? If the latter, was that a good or a bad experience?

I'm literally asking what his experience is with what he's theorizing.

I asked his experience because typically experience will always overrun theories on how to manage women.

I'm thinking/asking critically, not being critical of him.

He responded and didn't take offense which I'm glad.

[kaotic]

Boo, appreciate the feedback so you're decently experienced, always good news.

The issues is females are female and their emotional volatility.

Someone ALWAYS catches feelings sooner or later, that's why you'll notice MFF relationships never last because of that volatility - UNLESS you're the 1% of chads whose balling and successful.

MFF are typically strokes of luck, typically with another semi submissive but alpha female pulling in a submissive dom female.

"Real" bi sexual girls who keep their femininity together yet also are dominant are rare and hard to come by to begin with.

"Fake" bi girls do the bullshit making out, to attract males they want to fuck, but never go through when it comes to actual sexual activity.

Also, almost all of the "real" ones have some sort of fucked upped past or have vices. I can specifically think of a girl I banged who makes a great wingwoman for a threesome but has substance abuse problems and acts somewhat masculine.

Like has been mentioned before, guys who are fortunate enough to pull two willing females into a sexual relationship (more than once) doesn't usually last long.

One thing also to note is having to walk a fine line between being the one with power, but giving your alpha girl some power as well, otherwise, it's her rules her way.

[Gray Beard]

@Kaotic, I agree it is good that OP did not see your original post the way I saw it and thanks for your response to me on that. All's well ends well. Apropos your response to OP, it jives with the limited personal experience I had with FMFs. I am neither a natural nor have I ever learned game properly (the PUA concept did not even exist when I started "collecting"), but I tried to get FMF with most of my LTRs by looking for that extra F together, and on occasion--albeit rarely!--it worked. It never worked for long, however. One exception was with a girl I somehow forgot: I must have suppressed her case because she was one of very few LTRs who left me before I was ready to leave her, and as a result I had a period of oneitis over her. (Of course, I cured it by pursuing others but it was still a bad case that I am not proud of.) Anyway, the relationship had been tumultuous even at the best of times, full of drama, but the sex was great. She was also into S/M and virtually insisted on receiving pain, which brought up the beast in me. Now--due not only to your post but also some posts by Veloce in another thread on Tinder for threesomes ( thread-67385.html )--I realize that perhaps the key to a successful FMF is to look for a real subbie to join a couple.

[boo]

I'm asking for tips and experiences so I have no need to take offense. This is a, let's call it "niche" topic that I haven't seen tackled much. But is worth discussing for those looking to pump game up to the next level.

Indeed, it does feel that "real" bi girls have some sort of fucked up past or vices. Usually some daddy or abandonment issues, or otherwise issues with men.
Hm, perhaps the key here would be to find girls whose issues and vices are complementary to each other. Say one is more assertive while the other is more passive and likes to be lead.

I think that as long as they're both the "feminine" kind of women, maintaining a monopoly on the masculinity should grant you enough power to keep yourself essential in the power play. Say, they must like girls because girls are hot but they also really like cock, a feature which other women cannot provide.
Or, get an arts girl that needs more structure in her life and an accountant that needs to shake things up for her own happiness.

The tinder threesome thread is cool, and it kinda works. But I already did that and the only girl that seemed interested in pursuing more after sex, got rejected by my girl because she found her to be too clingy or otherwise not interesting enough. Which... was kind of true. I don't know what kind of tinder game I could play for this that aims for something more "seriously longterm", without using the sex pull as a first filter as that will lead to interest fatigue on behalf of the F I currently have.

[gringoed]

This is awesome that this thread exists. What a fun idea, and this is what I'm moving towards now. I have plenty of experience in open and poly relationships. Done many threesomes, moresomes, orgies. I've done persistent threesomes but wasn't fully satisfied as I had to wear a condom and my LTR wasn't really into it. My current LTR have discussed this and we both want a sustainable poly situation. Here's my strategy for making this work:

1. Start with an A+ communicative, rock solid LTR with someone who is into polyamory (and treating jealousy as something to overcome), is somewhat bi-sexual, and submissive.

2. When interacting with new women, be very forthcoming about my existing relationship, and tell everyone everything that happens.

3. Develop a bond over time one on one with the new girl (but no sex yet), then allow the two women to hang out one on one with each other. Have the new girl get an STD test.

4. Once everybody is comfortable with each other one on one, and there is trust, then start banging the new girl. Do this for a few weeks at least, checking in with everybody along the way.

5. Hang out the 3 of us, then have a threesome (raw of course) being very mindful of dividing my attention equally, and very attentive to everyone's emotions and feelings.

6. Discuss the possibility of becoming a triad. I would like to try the experience of moving in with the two women, each of us having separate bedrooms.


I should note that my existing LTR is already polyamorous. She is currently dating a friend of mine, and I'm occasionally banging on the side as I please.

[BadKing]

It’s destined to fail as women are natural enemies.

Women compete for men as men compete in a competitive business environment. Men can cooperate to beat the rival team but women hunt alone.

Getting a man is their specialty—their main urge—perfected over tens of thousands of years. The only women that would commit to such a relationship are very low quality ones.

[gringoed]

(07-11-2018 12:12 AM)BadKing Wrote:  

It’s destined to fail as women are natural enemies.

Women compete for men as men compete in a competitive business environment. Men can cooperate to beat the rival team but women hunt alone.

Getting a man is their specialty—their main urge—perfected over tens of thousands of years. The only women that would commit to such a relationship are very low quality ones.

There are some cases where it works. Showtime did a series on polyamory including following a triad with 2 attractive women.

http://www.sho.com/video/17253/polyamory-triad

I believe they had been a triad for about 5 years when the show aired. There's another MFF triad they followed on the show, also with 2 beautiful women.

Is it all destined to fail? Maybe, but at least you'd be failing in a blaze of glory

[gringoed]

Any updates OP?

[Tiger Man]

I totally forgot about this thread. Thanks for bumping it.

If anyone is interested about what I wrote above, I have a few (2-3) pages of an unpublished research study that I can show you. It, more or less, just confirms and expands on what I wrote.

As it isn't my research, but it is identifiable, I would prefer to share privately. Send me a PM and I will send over the sheets. Fair warning, it is fairly dry academic speak.