[General Stalin]

@baphomet

Just a curious question: if you agreed to be exclusive to a woman and something happened where she were no longer able to sexually please you, would you just masturbate for the rest of time or would you seek out other women?

[quaker13]

(09-07-2018 01:52 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(09-07-2018 01:07 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

I don't like to use the words women and honor in the same sentence. Sorry, I don't feel the least bit shitty. Im a great partner and I don't bring any diseases back. That's pretty much the end of the moral dilemma for me. I love women and i harbor no animus but im not about to let my loyalty to them serve as a moral compass for the rest of my life. That's a harsh form of slavery.

If the actions of others steers your moral compass then you do not have a "compass" at all. You have a "moral leaf" that flutters in whatever direction the bitter wind may blow. I say, "bitter" because you sound that way.

There is no integrity in, "If it feels good, do it."

I appreciate you fervor, but you're on the wrong forum brother. The stance you're taking will lead you to many sexless nights, weeks and months. As another poster stated, I put my friends on a pedestal. They are my brothers. They will be here long after some funky ass pretty bitch. There are so many men who have done so much for society that had infidelity demons. Politicans, religious figures, military brass...etc Wake up brother! Value you family, cherish your friends, be kind to others but who gives a fuck about these bitches.

[PapayaTapper]

(09-07-2018 12:11 PM)Weird Al Spankabitch Wrote:  

Women are retarded children who need to be trained and put in line, but the if they’re a virgin and your game is tight she’ll be loyal and willing to do anything for you. You’ll have meaning, someone to raise your kids. The player lifestyle isn’t the most fulfilling lifestyle out there. It’s an adaptation to a world where most women are unsalvageable whores. If you think a woman past 3 partners is at all salvageaable you’re retarded. Sure they can be trained, but they’ll ALWAYS have feelings for other men. If you fuck a virgin just for a notch, no man will ever be able to marry her and have her be her be just his. There’s plenty of whores for notches. They’re everywhere. Use them for sex, lie to them, whatever. They’re already ruined. But they can give you a good nut.

MMX2010...Is errr was that you?

[Baphomet]

(09-07-2018 03:22 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

@baphomet

Just a curious question: if you agreed to be exclusive to a woman and something happened where she were no longer able to sexually please you, would you just masturbate for the rest of time or would you seek out other women?

General,

This is not a suicide pact. If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

I'm kind of at a loss how you might extract something as wildly extreme as, "just masturbate for the rest of time" out of keeping your word during the course of an exclusive relationship?

[Montrose]

Quote:

If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

That kind of hedonistic, individualistic thinking has brought about the destruction of marriage and family in the West.

[packagehandler]

(09-08-2018 08:17 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Quote:

If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

That kind of hedonistic, individualistic thinking has brought about the destruction of marriage and family in the West.

This sure is ironic coming from a guy who endorses cheating.

[Baphomet]

(09-07-2018 04:02 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

I appreciate you fervor, but you're on the wrong forum brother. The stance you're taking will lead you to many sexless nights, weeks and months. As another poster stated, I put my friends on a pedestal. They are my brothers. They will be here long after some funky ass pretty bitch. There are so many men who have done so much for society that had infidelity demons. Politicans, religious figures, military brass...etc Wake up brother! Value you family, cherish your friends, be kind to others but who gives a fuck about these bitches.

I certainly appreciate the laughable gesture of a zero rep, 35 post newbie, pronouncing me unfit for the forum.

The fact that you seem to think that my concern is for "these bitches" is more than ample evidence that you have no comprehension of what I'm addressing here.

[Baphomet]

(09-08-2018 08:17 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Quote:

If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

That kind of hedonistic, individualistic thinking has brought about the destruction of marriage and family in the West.

Montrose,

It seemed to me that General Stalin was speaking about LTRs rather than an actual marriage. And that is what my answer here applies to.

Marriage obviously carries a different level of responsibility.

[trippin_squares]

Quote:

Should you feel bad about cheating?

Nah. If I found out she cheated on me, she'd be out the door quicker than a gunshot and I'd move on to another girl; if I got caught by her, she'd throw an epic shitfit and probably break some stuff before doing the same and finding another guy.
So basically:
1. Cheat to your heart's content
2. Hide precious objects from potentially wrathful s.o./sex partner(s)
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!

[BlackFriar]

No.

[General Stalin]

(09-08-2018 08:38 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 08:17 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Quote:

If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

That kind of hedonistic, individualistic thinking has brought about the destruction of marriage and family in the West.

Montrose,

It seemed to me that General Stalin was speaking about LTRs rather than an actual marriage. And that is what my answer here applies to.

Marriage obviously carries a different level of responsibility.

Apply my question to marriage then. Bear in mind that I never specified marriage or not in my original hypothetical, but for the sake of argument lets say you were married. Took an oath to god not to stray, stay together in sickness and in health, 'till death do you part etc.

[Baphomet]

(09-11-2018 04:49 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 08:38 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 08:17 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Quote:

If any relationship is no longer satisfactory you end it, and move on.

That kind of hedonistic, individualistic thinking has brought about the destruction of marriage and family in the West.

Montrose,

It seemed to me that General Stalin was speaking about LTRs rather than an actual marriage. And that is what my answer here applies to.

Marriage obviously carries a different level of responsibility.

Apply my question to marriage then. Bear in mind that I never specified marriage or not in my original hypothetical, but for the sake of argument lets say you were married. Took an oath to god not to stray, stay together in sickness and in health, 'till death do you part etc.

You also never mentioned how/why, exactly, the wife is "no longer able to sexually please you."

If we're going to build a straw man, we might as well stuff the shirt and trousers a bit and not just leave him a stick man.

[General Stalin]

Relax I'm not attacking you or your personal morals, I'm merely proposing a hypothetical question. If you wanna avoid answering it that's fine.

[Baphomet]

(09-12-2018 08:54 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Relax I'm not attacking you or your personal morals, I'm merely proposing a hypothetical question. If you wanna avoid answering it that's fine.

General,

I'm perfectly willing to answer, but I'm not sure what exactly I'm answering.

Is her "inability to please me" because she's had her arms and legs cut off, or in a coma, or fell into vegetative state?

My position here is pretty simple. A man should keep his word. It puzzles me why something that seems so basic to being a decent person, is so anathema to the majority here.

My View:

In an LTR where you've had the "are we exclusive" talk, and both parties agree, you keep your promise of exclusivity. When the relationship is no longer productive for whatever reason, you end it it, and fuck anything you want.

In a marriage, fidelity is essential to the covenant. That covenant can be, and likely should be, broken under the circumstances of : Adultery, Abuse, Abandonment, and Addiction.

When a spouse refuses to fulfill their part of the covenant, and further refuses to take action to repair it, the covenant is broken and neither party can be held to the promises it implied.

BUT the responsibilities of both people to maintain the covenant is vastly greater than a mere LTR, doubly so if innocent children are involved.

Again, a keeping one's word is not a suicide pact.

[ISR92]

I see no issue in it. We're hard-wired to be less interested in those women which we fuck/see often, and more interested in new conquests. My feelings can be with my LTR, but I'll be banging girls on the side (even ones of lower quality than my LTR) without any emotional strings attached. It must be an evolutionary trait to spread our seed as much as possible. None of my LTRs have come close to finding out either. There's no rules except those you choose or create for yourself after all.

[kaotic]

@baphomet to be honest I've got to ask you, what have your experiences with women been? How old are you? How many women have you been with? Have you been in alot/a few LTR's? What's your dating life like?

It just seems to me this black and white view you have (while respectable) seems a bit innocent to me. As I got older I see things in more of a grey.

[Baphomet]

(09-12-2018 11:05 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

@baphomet to be honest I've got to ask you, what have your experiences with women been? How old are you? How many women have you been with? Have you been in alot/a few LTR's? What's your dating life like?

It just seems to me this black and white view you have (while respectable) seems a bit innocent to me. As I got older I see things in more of a grey.

From this thread - thread-69187...19036.html

(07-13-2018 09:56 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

Really could not guess. Been pretty sexually active since I was 16 and I'm 50 now. Included a teacher, a friend's mom (but that was really just a onetime hand job so i guess that doesn't count), a slew of cheerleaders, bar sluts (not proud of most of those), college girls, single moms, others.. Lots of bangs behind the veil of heavy alcohol use, where blurred memory makes any sort of accuracy impossible.

It was a lot.

[kaotic]

Thanks for the info, but that only answers parts of my questions.

So we know you know you're older than us, obviously you been around awhile, and have been through alot of women.

But what about the relationship side of things ? Past and current? What was your history dating like?

I think you understand why I'm asking that, being a person's convictions can be based on past experiences.

I'm just wanting to understand where you're coming from, I'm always curious of a person's views opposite of mine.

I've been sexually since 15 ish, I'm in my early 30's, obviously I'm still learning things about myself.

[Baphomet]

(09-12-2018 12:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Thanks for the info, but that only answers parts of my questions.

So we know you know you're older than us, obviously you been around awhile, and have been through alot of women.

But what about the relationship side of things ? Past and current? What was your history dating like?

I think you understand why I'm asking that, being a person's convictions can be based on past experiences.

I'm just wanting to understand where you're coming from, I'm always curious of a person's views opposite of mine.

I've been sexually since 15 ish, I'm in my early 30's, obviously I'm still learning things about myself.

Married, Divorced, numerous LTRs, no serious relationship now. None of which have anything to do with the fact that I place tremendous value on the integrity of my word.

That does seem to be thought of as a backward and foolish mindset by the Forum community here, so that will just have to be a point we don't see eye to eye on.

[kaotic]

I don't think it's foolish, I just think it's "more" than just black and white in this day and age.

I think men shouldn't see it like that, especially if the other side doesn't play by those terms and rules, nor honors them.

I agree we don't see eye to eye, but you still get alot of respect from me brother.

[godzilla]

Baphomet got his own code, nothing wrong with that.

[Beirut]

Im with Baphomet on this one.

Why would i choose to go into an exclusive LTR if im not ready to handle that commitment? Ill just stay single and play the field OR i will find an LTR that understands that. I also think respecting your woman is about respecting yourself. Making her look like an idiot who doesnt know what her man is up is disrespectful to her and myself by association.

It depends why you want this LTR. For me i dont need a woman to clean for me or a pussy for regular sex. If im in an LTR its because i chose to share trust and everything with that person. If i dont have that with them, whats the point of the relationship?

[Lermontov]

I encourage OP and people in general not to cheat because once you do it in a LTR, it is going to be very hard to stop. When you are many years with the same woman and living with her, the sexual attraction and arousal will obviously wane in some fashion, and once you taste that fruit of sexual novelty with a new pussy, dopamine explodes and flies in your brain. It blinds you. A powerful drug. The Coolidge effect is very real in humans in my opinion and you'd better don't mess with it. For those who think that if you're not as excited sexually with your LTR after many years and that you should get out, I think it's oversimplifying things and lacking nuance.

[CleanSlate]

What’s missing from this conversation is getting infected with an STD if you cheat, and passing it onto her. We had a recent thread on this, actually — “how to deal with the gf if I got the clap”.

I don’t advocate for cheating if you truly care about her, at least her health. But if you must cheat, don’t get an STD. And keep in mind, you can possibly get infected from oral sex and no one wraps up for that.

[don_quixote]

Monogamy is suited best to guys who are fully beta and/or no sex drive.

If a guy such as alpha or high sex drive finds himself married / LTR and realises what it means, the chance he will cheat is high.

What I find interesting is that these 'morals' or 'ethics' are sometimes designed to strongly go against people's natural instincts.

If you're alpha how the heck can anyone expect you to eat the same meal every day?