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(05-11-2018 12:37 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 12:05 PM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

Duplicate thread here: thread-66635...=elon+musk

The best way to get women is to own your own product line of cars and put one in a rocket which is going to Mars (the thrusters of which return to earth and land together simultaneously and intact.)

Obviously the most effective panty soaker. Thread closed.

Indeed - The ultimate Beta Bucks is now dating this here:

Is that a young Elizabeth Warren?

[Laner]

(05-11-2018 03:26 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Ive always been a Porsche guy. Im on my 5th one now (granted the current one is Cayenne S but Ive had 3 in the 911 series).

What I noticed over the years is that the type of chicks that are affected by the exotic car are almost always the same ones that are into the whole club / after party scene, etc.

In order for the car to be effective as a weapon as a bang weapon you need the whole arsenal: cool pad, hi line social circle, and most importantly drugs...especially cocaine. The bizzies that want to be arm candy for a dude with an exotic car also tend to be the type that want nose candy. If you just have the cool car without the rest youre just a poser to them

In other words the car is rarely enough as a stand alone.

Here, if you have cocaine you don't even need a car. A fucking bicycle would do fine. I have had one on the pegs, and one on the bars and peddled our coke fueled bodies home.

[Rocha]

Best car to have in Europe is the one you don't pay a cent for it, I.e. company car.

[Repo]

(05-11-2018 10:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 08:34 AM)idane Wrote:  

It's fake.

Women like flashy cars for short-term Alpha fucks appeal:

https://www.menshealth.com.au/flashy-car...e-to-women

The man's health soy issue gets the wrong impression with it. Men who drive flashy cars are seen as more AlphaFucks and less BetaProvider.

But flashy cars is relative:

Flashy:

for 15.000$

Not flashy:

for 125.000$

I tested this out myself and have Red Pill friends who confirmed it. One friend of mine exchanged his Mercedes S-class worth 120.000$ for a Mini-Cooper special edition with massively upgraded engine. He got 10 times more attention with his Mini cooper than he ever received with this S-class.

A Pick-UP Truck is probably the best all-around model of conveying both masculinity as well as some masculine AlphaFucks appeal.

By the way - that guy's Lamborghini Gallardo can be had for under the price of a Mercedes GLS, but it has x-times the pussy appeal.

And even worse is the fact that women cannot see much in terms of cars - a 10 year old well-kept car will be as new to her as a brand-new one. Also most women will confuse a used Porsche Boxster for 25.000$ with a brand-new Porsche 911 Turbo for 180.000$. If you want to go for flashy, then 25.000$ will be enough.

Or you go vintage for 10.000-15.000$.

Not too long ago I started a thread about spending alot of bread on a new car. . .. thankfully I stuck with my paid off car. . . This thread has saved me a bunch of money in the future. New plan will be to keep my old car for everyday driving, then as suggested spend MUCH less for a classic car for weekend pleasures. Love this forum

[sterling_archer]

What do you have in mind for "classic car for weekend pleasures"? What is your old car?

[HankMoody]

(05-12-2018 01:03 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

What do you have in mind for "classic car for weekend pleasures"? What is your old car?

I drive a 1991 Mercedes Benz Roadster convertible.

[Kona]

Cars matter.

If any of you are at all like me, you could!give a shit about attracting the "good girl" type. I want hot dirty sluts. Sluts know the badges on vehicles. My m4 has lead me to conclude that I require a Ferrari. Its notmthat the sluts recognize the engineering and the performance of the m4, they google the price. A Ferrari is harder to google. But everyone knows its a Ferrari.

My big ass new truck has its sweet spot too. With surfboards attached to the tailgate I could probably use "wants some candy little girl" and the right ones would get in.

I support car game.

Aloha!

[Banna]

In terms of girls I'd rather live DT here in the so called "entertainment district" in a posh condo close to all the clubs/bars/girls without a car than live in the burbs and have a collection Ferraris and Range Rovers to parade around in impressing people. There isn't any kind of vehicle that'd make me want any part of that awful DT traffic.

Toronto is a complete dump weather wise for at least half the year anyways and you just want your pricey vehicle stashed in a garage half the year to avoid all the salt and snow accumulation that takes its toll on cars.

[HankMoody]

(05-12-2018 03:11 AM)Banna Wrote:  

In terms of girls I'd rather live DT here in the so called "entertainment district" in a posh condo close to all the clubs/bars/girls without a car than live in the burbs and have a collection Ferraris and Range Rovers to parade around in impressing people. There isn't any kind of vehicle that'd make me want any part of that awful DT traffic.

Toronto is a complete dump weather wise for at least half the year anyways and you just want your pricey vehicle stashed in a garage half the year to avoid all the salt and snow accumulation that takes its toll on cars.

That makes sense.

Here in Philly, I can park my truck on my pavement (that's how we say 'sidewalk'), and my other cars within a block from my house. I basically live in the equivalent of the entertainment district, but right at the northern end of it, so there is parking here.

At least in the States, Range Rovers are pretty cheap. You can pick up a good one for like $3k. You just need to know a mechanic who is willing to work on it. You'll most likely need to seal the head gaskets.

Personally, I don't like to drive. Always a chance you'll get into an accident, pulled over, whatever. I can walk almost anywhere I need to go, and if it's too far, Uber. However, I will drive to get out of the city.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-10-2018 06:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Hogs. You'll get laid on a big hog. I've never taken the time to learn how to ride one. They are not just pussy magnets, they are vagina orbits. You'll be sucking in pussy from miles away at the sound of your bike, vaginas oozing at the sound of your muffler. Learning how to ride one is on my "to do" list. Hogs are king in terms of women.

Sure, if you like boomer fatties. Harley is doing absolutely terribly with the youth market and women are no exception. It's no coincidence most of them are ridden by guys who look like retired Santa Clauses. I had a Harley Softail in the late-2000s. Went to one bike event and at 38 years old I was one of the youngest guys there. Then I saw the table selling Viagra next to the one hawking T shirts. Born to be wild... my ass.

I sold that bike, bought a sport bike and never looked back. Bikes may or may not make sense where you live - wearing headphones while riding definitely does not.

A few other thoughts:

- Women know shit all about cars. For the most part, I've found the vehicle isn't all that important when it comes to impressing women. As long as you don't show up in something filthy or embarrassing to be seen in you're usually ok.

- That said, the car must be age appropriate. To her, 20 year old in crappy car = college student, but a 40 year old in crappy car = divorced, loser dad.

- Don't buy something so expensive as to be a slave to the payments. Kills me when Uber drivers do this - defeats the whole purpose of making money while driving.

- Nearly every car is depreciable and therefore not an investment. Yeah, I know about the 2005-2006 Ford GT. Did you buy one? Great - now sell it before the market collapses. And yes, the collector car market is collapsing.

- Everybody thinks owning a Jeep (Rubicon, Wrangler, old CJ, etc - not the Cherokee/SUV) is great until they actually own one. Oh, and for some reason lately they are popular with gay men too, FWIW. Ditto for Minis.

- Leases can be great if the payment is low enough - but it's easy to defeat the purpose and spend way too much. Usually the car you really want is too expensive, but you can get a cheap truck near the end of the year for almost nothing.

- I've never met a women truly "impressed" by a truck. Not even in rural areas, but who knows - YMMV. There is a lot of room to fuck even in the front seats, but parking sucks - do you really need a truck every day?

- You can drive a piece of crap your whole life and nothing will happen to it. Get a nice car and it turns into a moron magnet - someone will smack you, either in traffic or the parking lot.

- Get a dash cam, front and rear, and make sure it's functioning properly. There's no substitute for evidence.

- Thanks to technology, modern muscle car gas mileage is comparable - sometimes better - than trucks. Old muscle cars are either wildly overpriced (again, asshat boomers re-living their youth) and/or overrated. A modern Challenger with a basic V8 can run circles around the ones from yesteryear and are a hell of a lot more reliable and feature-laden. Ditto for Mustangs and Camaros - there's no comparison. Forget the past.

- Before buying something old, ask yourself if you really know how to tinker or are willing to learn. I grew up fixing these things, but many younger guys can't work anything with their hands that isn't a keyboard and have no interest.

- There is less to tune and fix on modern cars, but yes, you can still fix a few things yourself, or at least be aware of when the mechanic is trying to fleece you on repairs.

- There is no such thing as a cheap Maserati/Ferrari/Bentley etc. Do some research on repair parts and estimate of total cost of ownership. If you still aren't dissuaded, at least get a damned warranty that will the drivetrain.

- Even with the improved economy, the car market is sluggish. Whether or not it's more people using Uber, it definitely isn't on fire right now. You should be able to negotiate a pretty good deal any time of year.

- Forget KBB - the dealers don't use them and they are owned by the same company as Autotrader, a dealer-oriented advertisement site. Makes me wonder seriously about the published trade in values. Instead, get a subscription to what they really use - Black Book. That's what dealers use. Yeah it's kind of expensive at $65 for one month but that should be all you need. Spend it now or regret it later.

[pargan]

(05-12-2018 09:56 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 06:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Hogs. You'll get laid on a big hog. I've never taken the time to learn how to ride one. They are not just pussy magnets, they are vagina orbits. You'll be sucking in pussy from miles away at the sound of your bike, vaginas oozing at the sound of your muffler. Learning how to ride one is on my "to do" list. Hogs are king in terms of women.

Sure, if you like boomer fatties. Harley is doing absolutely terribly with the youth market and women are no exception. It's no coincidence most of them are ridden by guys who look like retired Santa Clauses. I had a Harley Softail in the late-2000s. Went to one bike event and at 38 years old I was one of the youngest guys there. Then I saw the table selling Viagra next to the one hawking T shirts. Born to be wild... my ass.

I sold that bike, bought a sport bike and never looked back. Bikes may or may not make sense where you live - wearing headphones while riding definitely does not.

I agree, most people that ride and are attracted to harleys seem to be far older.
For pulling college aged girls I think a sports bike is way better then something like a harley, honestly having a Harley would just make you look like a douce to a lot of these girls.

[pargan]

I might be moving to New York has anyone here had a motorbike over there? Is it a feasible way to get around in NYC? I really like riding so it would be a big plus if I could do it over there.

Also does anyone lanesplit in NYC? I think it's technically not allowed right now but how heavy is that enforced? I also hear they might be making it legal in the future.

[HankMoody]

(05-12-2018 09:56 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 06:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Hogs. You'll get laid on a big hog. I've never taken the time to learn how to ride one. They are not just pussy magnets, they are vagina orbits. You'll be sucking in pussy from miles away at the sound of your bike, vaginas oozing at the sound of your muffler. Learning how to ride one is on my "to do" list. Hogs are king in terms of women.

Sure, if you like boomer fatties. Harley is doing absolutely terribly with the youth market and women are no exception. It's no coincidence most of them are ridden by guys who look like retired Santa Clauses. I had a Harley Softail in the late-2000s. Went to one bike event and at 38 years old I was one of the youngest guys there. Then I saw the table selling Viagra next to the one hawking T shirts. Born to be wild... my ass.

I sold that bike, bought a sport bike and never looked back. Bikes may or may not make sense where you live - wearing headphones while riding definitely does not.

A few other thoughts:

- Women know shit all about cars. For the most part, I've found the vehicle isn't all that important when it comes to impressing women. As long as you don't show up in something filthy or embarrassing to be seen in you're usually ok.

- That said, the car must be age appropriate. To her, 20 year old in crappy car = college student, but a 40 year old in crappy car = divorced, loser dad.

- Don't buy something so expensive as to be a slave to the payments. Kills me when Uber drivers do this - defeats the whole purpose of making money while driving.

- Nearly every car is depreciable and therefore not an investment. Yeah, I know about the 2005-2006 Ford GT. Did you buy one? Great - now sell it before the market collapses. And yes, the collector car market is collapsing.

- Everybody thinks owning a Jeep (Rubicon, Wrangler, old CJ, etc - not the Cherokee/SUV) is great until they actually own one. Oh, and for some reason lately they are popular with gay men too, FWIW. Ditto for Minis.

- Leases can be great if the payment is low enough - but it's easy to defeat the purpose and spend way too much. Usually the car you really want is too expensive, but you can get a cheap truck near the end of the year for almost nothing.

- I've never met a women truly "impressed" by a truck. Not even in rural areas, but who knows - YMMV. There is a lot of room to fuck even in the front seats, but parking sucks - do you really need a truck every day?

- You can drive a piece of crap your whole life and nothing will happen to it. Get a nice car and it turns into a moron magnet - someone will smack you, either in traffic or the parking lot.

- Get a dash cam, front and rear, and make sure it's functioning properly. There's no substitute for evidence.

- Thanks to technology, modern muscle car gas mileage is comparable - sometimes better - than trucks. Old muscle cars are either wildly overpriced (again, asshat boomers re-living their youth) and/or overrated. A modern Challenger with a basic V8 can run circles around the ones from yesteryear and are a hell of a lot more reliable and feature-laden. Ditto for Mustangs and Camaros - there's no comparison. Forget the past.

- Before buying something old, ask yourself if you really know how to tinker or are willing to learn. I grew up fixing these things, but many younger guys can't work anything with their hands that isn't a keyboard and have no interest.

- There is less to tune and fix on modern cars, but yes, you can still fix a few things yourself, or at least be aware of when the mechanic is trying to fleece you on repairs.

- There is no such thing as a cheap Maserati/Ferrari/Bentley etc. Do some research on repair parts and estimate of total cost of ownership. If you still aren't dissuaded, at least get a damned warranty that will the drivetrain.

- Even with the improved economy, the car market is sluggish. Whether or not it's more people using Uber, it definitely isn't on fire right now. You should be able to negotiate a pretty good deal any time of year.

- Forget KBB - the dealers don't use them and they are owned by the same company as Autotrader, a dealer-oriented advertisement site. Makes me wonder seriously about the published trade in values. Instead, get a subscription to what they really use - Black Book. That's what dealers use. Yeah it's kind of expensive at $65 for one month but that should be all you need. Spend it now or regret it later.

Excellent post.

My observations...

- Women can't tell how old trucks are. My Dodge Ram is a 2007, but for all they know it's brand new. I keep it in good shape. But like you said, I also know how to play with these things -- change an alternator, replace a belt, etc.

- They love the vintage Mercedes convertible. The 1995 Mustang convertible was also popular. Women usually view me as a guy with "old school" tastes.

- I keep everything detailed. I get pissed when people throw trash in my car, or eat in it. Go be a slob in your own car. Keeping your shit clean is half the game.

- My brand new Honda Civic got DEMOLISHED. Broken into, wheels stolen, stereo taken, and someone carved their name into it. No one ever fucked with my 2000 Land Rover Discovery II.

- Women love my pickup truck. It's big. It's loud. It has a stereo system. They love it when I pick them up in it and play country music.

I wear headphones when riding my bicycle, but because it makes it more fun for me. Bose SoundSports.

[SlickyBoy]

(05-12-2018 10:43 AM)pargan Wrote:  

I might be moving to New York has anyone here had a motorbike over there? Is it a feasible way to get around in NYC? I really like riding so it would be a big plus if I could do it over there.

Also does anyone lanesplit in NYC? I think it's technically not allowed right now but how heavy is that enforced? I also hear they might be making it legal in the future.

In most of the US lane splitting is illegal, but in some areas makes sense allow it. California recently made it legal though it's been going on forever and cops usually didn't care. The driving public has to expect it too, as they do in CA. I did it all the time in San Francisco - a time as well as life saver in traffic (reduce risk of being rear ended sitting in a jam).

I tried it in a couple of northeastern states and people honked and yelled at me even for creeping up to the light. It's as if I wasn't "waiting my turn" or some such shit - bizzare behavior. I didn't check but I don't think it is legal in NYC.

If you are going to have a bike in NYC, get something nimble for easier parking, and not too nice in case it gets jacked, hit, etc. while parked. If you must have a Harley, I saw quite a few Sportsters in Paris that worked well, but for the most part motard-type bikes (dirt bikes with street tires) are best for potholes, curb hopping, etc.

I'm not crazy about headphones on a bike of any sort other than one for helmet coms between riders. Constant music and tuning out warning sounds runs the risk of getting you killed by distraction.

[YoungBlade]

(05-11-2018 12:24 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(05-11-2018 10:26 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 08:48 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Recommendations: Dodge Ram, Ford F150, GMC, Chevy Tahoe, Toyota Tacoma, etc.

FTFY

Dodge trucks are shit, engines are garbage and fuel-hungry. I'll take either a Ford or Chevy please. Maybe they got better recently, pre-2012 they're trash. Exceptions are the diesel versions where Cummins built the powertrain for them.

Don't worry. You talk shit about us, but we'll still come tow ya.

[Stakes Is High]

on trucks:
ford, dodge, chevy tribalism is stupid. i have a 90s f250, would love a new z71, and drive my brothers flat-bed cummins often.

on a garage of older, more unique cars. 100% agreed.
Great looking/performing/quality cars that can be had on the low:
90s Vettes
90s Benz SLs
early 00s BMW 7 series
00s Lexus LS/SC
00s Escalades

[MKE-Ed]

The auto market isn't doing too well at this time. Several months ago, I read an interesting article in one of the major car magazines, Road & Track, If I recall correctly, and they talked about the auto loan bubble possibly bursting very soon despite the improving economy. They cited the high number of loan defaults, the number of people that are 2-3 months behind on their payments and the fact that a lot of leased cars are coming back to dealer lots in large numbers, especially high end cars. This will hurt their resale value when you have a large number of leased cars coming back.

Another factor that they cited was the fact that loan companies are now financing cars up to seven years now. This is so that buyers can afford the lower monthly payments. Looking at all of this, I am coming to the conclusion, at least for me, that it makes sense to buy slightly used or later older models that can be purchased cheaply.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-12-2018 11:36 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  

The auto market isn't doing too well at this time. Several months ago, I read an interesting article in one of the major car magazines, Road & Track, If I recall correctly, and they talked about the auto loan bubble possibly bursting very soon despite the improving economy. They cited the high number of loan defaults, the number of people that are 2-3 months behind on their payments and the fact that a lot of leased cars are coming back to dealer lots in large numbers, especially high end cars. This will hurt their resale value when you have a large number of leased cars coming back.

Another factor that they cited was the fact that loan companies are now financing cars up to seven years now. This is so that buyers can afford the lower monthly payments. Looking at all of this, I am coming to the conclusion, at least for me, that it makes sense to buy slightly used or later older models that can be purchased cheaply.

Disposable income is not improving on average.

Though the Trump economy is doing better and that should shore up the market a bit. But I expect it to be temporary. UN Agenda 21 has one of their goals to wean people off their cars - mostly via price and lower disposable income. But that will mean that those who can afford one will get the pussy easier.

And if there are fewer cars around all the better - I hate to drive in traffic frankly. I am one of those drivers who only take my car in the evenings, nights and countryside. For all other things I take Uber and cabs. If I had more cash, then I would hire a driver, but I rarely drive around during the day and he would be more used by some family members than me.

In any case - driving in daily traffic is literally hell to me. My ideal perception of traffic driving is in a stretch limo (not too long - hate those useless long ones) while getting blown by my personal assistant. I only like to drive at night or evenings with hardly traffic around and you can enjoy the process.



Standing in traffic is like slow Chinese torture to me.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

(05-12-2018 09:56 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

- Everybody thinks owning a Jeep (Rubicon, Wrangler, old CJ, etc - not the Cherokee/SUV) is great until they actually own one. Oh, and for some reason lately they are popular with gay men too, FWIW. Ditto for Minis.

Not to get too personal on an otherwise good post, but have you owned a Jeep Wrangler or are you going off what someone else said?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

(05-10-2018 04:18 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Back on topic! What is the general consensus on the Jeep Wranglers vs the Cherokee? Is one more masculine/feminine than the other?

Since I didnt see anyone really answer your question I will give it a go.

There are some very nice Grand Cherokees available. From an overall vehicle perspective they have power, towing, luxury, and 4wd options available to suit whatever a man could want. The little sister modern day Cherokee is a completely queer design compared to the old XJ box-shape 4x4.

As for the Wrangler. It’s been popular for the adventurous/ outdoor crowd for decades, but it’s really all about the aftermarket. Even though in their stock form they are very capable 4wd vehicles, if we are going to apply it to game strategy, you will need to do a few bolt-ons to help the appeal. A little lift, some 31/33/35/37 inch tires (depending on the year), and then just take the top and doors off. Some states have goofy laws about mirrors and stuff but there’s a way around it all if you research.

If you live in a warm weather climate that allows for it, a pretty basic rag top jeep with a few upgrades, new or old, can be a nice boost to your overall game strategy. Just don’t forget to put some pony tail hair tie rubber band things in your glove box so she can keep her long hair out of her face during the ride.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-11-2018 03:26 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Ive always been a Porsche guy. Im on my 5th one now (granted the current one is Cayenne S but Ive had 3 in the 911 series).

What I noticed over the years is that the type of chicks that are affected by the exotic car are almost always the same ones that are into the whole club / after party scene, etc.

In order for the car to be effective as a weapon as a bang weapon you need the whole arsenal: cool pad, hi line social circle, and most importantly drugs...especially cocaine. The bizzies that want to be arm candy for a dude with an exotic car also tend to be the type that want nose candy. If you just have the cool car without the rest youre just a poser to them

In other words the car is rarely enough as a stand alone.

Finally. Someone else who gets it. Guys like me and PPT are hip to the scene. That's why we only use the finest cocaine Afghanistan has to offer.

Anyway, back to the topic. Manly cars are manly, and the more manly you're perceived to be, the more women are interested in your baby gravy. It's amazing the looks you can drag from chicks dating soyboys in hatchbacks, even when you're driving something as shit as an ancient Hilux with loose firewood rattling around in the back and a rusty old winch bolted to the front. Bitches don't know winching for shit but the sight of such devices seems to compel them. Some sort of inherent bondage fetish, perhaps. Heaven forfend I ever found myself single, I would bolt a series of winches on every wall facing from my front door to my bedroom, with one on the ceiling there and another on the bedhead for good measure.

As for vehicles of the two wheeled variety I've personally had girls routinely decline a seat on a mate's $15k 2 y/o sportsbike to ride on my $7k 6 y/o naked road bike. Two cylinders trumps four. Solid pillion seat trumps tiny slip of padded leather. Women want to feel good and look good riding up back, and anyone riding pillion on a sports bike is invariably uncomfortable and feels like an idiot.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

@Hankmoody

Nice r129.


For any guys out there that are into muscle cars .if you look hard enough you can find some gems under 20 grand.

Found a 67 camaro today for 18 gs

Yesterday a 70 roadrunner with a 383 (lime green)



Searchtempest/cartempest.com is you friend.

[MMM]

The women I date usually have nicer cars than me, on credit, of course. And filthy as fuck. I always get "I love to be in your car, it's so clean."

I find the lower the SMV or socioeconomic class of the chick (and most guys), the more they try to status signal with a luxury type car. Bitches living in the hood, living paycheck to paycheck, driving a Lexus.

[HankMoody]

Really weird observation...

I keep all my cars clean as fuck. They're vacuumed, no trash, and I will literally murder someone who throws a McDonalds bag in the back. No, that bottle of Diet Coke goes into a trashcan, not the back seat of my truck. This is not a debate. My truck is not your trashcan.

Women keep their cars dirty as fuck. Absolutely filthy. Wawa wrappers (Google it), Starbucks cups, just all kinds of random trash. It's disgusting. And they wonder why I never want them to drive me anywhere. Because your car is fucking filthy, and there are month old French Fries on the floor!

I'm also a bit OCD. I like everything to be clean. My cars, most especially.

Not too obsessive, but how hard is it to throw away your trash? To make your bed? To hang up your clothes, or put them away?

[SlickyBoy]

(05-13-2018 07:10 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Really weird observation...

I keep all my cars clean as fuck. They're vacuumed, no trash, and I will literally murder someone who throws a McDonalds bag in the back. No, that bottle of Diet Coke goes into a trashcan, not the back seat of my truck. This is not a debate. My truck is not your trashcan.

Women keep their cars dirty as fuck. Absolutely filthy. Wawa wrappers (Google it), Starbucks cups, just all kinds of random trash. It's disgusting. And they wonder why I never want them to drive me anywhere. Because your car is fucking filthy, and there are month old French Fries on the floor!

I'm also a bit OCD. I like everything to be clean. My cars, most especially.

Not too obsessive, but how hard is it to throw away your trash? To make your bed? To hang up your clothes, or put them away?

That isn't a weird observation at all - it's factually consistent. As has been pointed out by many wise men, if there's a mess on the floor, she's probably a whore. Imagine what's creeping around the inside of her vagina on any given day.

(05-13-2018 02:15 AM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 09:56 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

- Everybody thinks owning a Jeep (Rubicon, Wrangler, old CJ, etc - not the Cherokee/SUV) is great until they actually own one. Oh, and for some reason lately they are popular with gay men too, FWIW. Ditto for Minis.

Not to get too personal on an otherwise good post, but have you owned a Jeep Wrangler or are you going off what someone else said?

Dated a girl who did and drove her Wrangler a lot. It was especially bad because it only had the four cylinder, but even if it had more power, overall it just wasn't enough of a truck and not really a car. It's also a convertible that doesn't convert all that easily, so you usually just decide on hard or soft roof, then leave it that way. If you use the hard doors, manual locks & windows get old fast. If you use the soft doors or no doors at all, you'll put up with constant vagrants poking around your parked car for loose change. Forget about a decent sounding stereo with all that road noise, especially on the highway. Reliability is usually fine ever since the 90s, but when Chrysler first bought them out they were much worse - most people wouldn't bother with those years anyway.

As your second post alludes to, the fan club status of the even older CJs is not coincidentally made up of guys who like to tinker. If you're good with tools and the Jeep game approach works for you, have at it. But guys who don't even own their own tools ought to know what they're getting into.

The biggest thing about the Wrangler series lately is price - new and used that's a difficult vehicle to get a good deal on because of so many eager first time Jeep buyers out there. Can't blame the dealers for making hay while the sun shines.

But that situation is probably changing. As a couple of others pointed out, the car market is struggling. The share of auto loans going to people with sub prime credit scores has been growing, and we all know where the sub prime housing market went a few years ago - straight to the tank. Some analysts brushed off concerns about this, but that sanguine outlook is changing. If the industry has to rely on too many people with less than a 600 FICO score to make money, that can't be good.