[Cr33pin]

I used to watch videos of OSHO years ago on YouTube but I had no idea about the story of him and the attempted commune in America. There is so much to discuss in about this documentary, this story, and this man. From my biased view it seemed like closed minded yokels an the government destroyed something that could have been really amazing. It seems like things took a dark turn when they constantly had to defend their way of life against the local rednecks and politicians. It seems as if Sheela could have been the main antagonizer in some of the more sinister actives that took place. After watching the documentary I couldn't help but to notice how all the people in the footage of the commune seem so happy. Some people say OSHO is a Rolls-Royce driving conman. I tend to disagree with that notion. I think you should just watch the documentary and draw your own conclusions.

Get your tinfoil ready but... I think it's very possible that some shady dealings went down with the US government and OSHO's early death at only 58. All the strange circumstances after the arrest easily adds fuel to my conspiracy fire.

R.I.P. Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh "OSHO"
1931–1990


For the record I don't think this guy was Jesus or some other mystical prophet. I do however think he was a wise man that had a great idea for a society thats a little out of the norm by modern standards..... in a good way. Also he has a sweet beard so I'm more inclined to find him agreeable.

It seems like VincentVinturi made a good thread about OSHO an his teachings hidden away in the deep forum - The OSHO thread

Also Roosh made a ROK post about Osho as a introduction to Taoism

[PlevenskiTarikat]

I watched the whole thing in a day. Big fan of Osho. My life changed by reading Courage: The Art of Living Dangerously in 2013. Osho could've been like Genghis Khan by spreading his seed far and wide, but he was too good for this world; just wanted to raise the collective consciousness and vibration of this world. Of course the U.S. would poison him; can't have people awaking from their slumber. Either way, this man had GAME.

[Rossi]

I watched this documentary almost 3 weeks ago. It's superb.

[Roosh]

Anagram of R. Osho: Roosh.

[MOVSM]

Wild Country! This is completely unrelated, but enjoy my war story anyway:

Wild Country was a club in Killeen, TX, not too far from Fort Hood. It was nicknamed "Milf Country".

I overheard the following conversation there:
A guy walks over to a woman, asks her "Are you married?"
She pipes up all excited and perky: "No, I'm not!"
Guy: "Sorry, I can't talk to you." Turns around and leaves.

This was during the height of Iraq war, and the two divisions stationed there would often take over the area of operations for one another downrange--one would come back to garrison, while the other would deploy. The deployed soldiers' wives would inevitably show up at the Milf Country.

[Cr33pin]

(04-18-2018 11:12 AM)PlevenskiTarikat Wrote:  

I watched the whole thing in a day. Big fan of Osho. My life changed by reading Courage: The Art of Living Dangerously in 2013. Osho could've been like Genghis Khan by spreading his seed far and wide, but he was too good for this world; just wanted to raise the collective consciousness and vibration of this world. Of course the U.S. would poison him; can't have people awaking from their slumber. Either way, this man had GAME.

Just ordered this book after reading your post and having a great admiration for OSHO's philosophies.

[Rossi]

I think Netflix decided to come up with 2 bonus episodes for this Osho documentary for this summer, according to Italian channels. Netflix had their annunal meeting in Rome last week.

[Luther]

I watched the whole documentary last week before seeing this thread or ever having heard of Osho or his teachings.
I thought the doc did a superb job of showing each sides of the struggle from their own point of view.
Maybe I'd feel differently if I studied oshos teachings but my gut feeling was that they were conning people, or at least taking advantage of people's weaknesses to persuade them to be followers. And they certainly didn't hesitate to break laws to forward their own agenda. How much of that was sheela and how much was reaction to how they were being treated? I don't know. They were committing immigration fraud and tax evasion before being antagonized in any way. Osho and his inner circle were obviously power and money hungry too.
Bottom line is they were pulling some shady shit, which evolved into downright evil shit. They were doomed.

[Roosh]

From watching the documentary, there are two propositions to accept about Osho:

1. He was an ambitious, power and money-hungry cult leader who was ready to poison and kill innocent people to get his way.

2. He is incredibly incompetent at managing his underlings or even being aware of what's going on in his commune.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. His ego was huge, which goes against his teachings, and he turned a blind eye to what Ma Anand Sheela was doing because he thought she could maintain the commune. Only when it was clear that Sheela failed did he finally speak up.

Osho did speak of contradictions much in his work, but I think he did cross the line to maintain his rock star lifestyle.

[Luther]

And he might of started out with nothing but good intentions, but once the money started flowing and the power started growing and the panties started dropping... it'd be easy to get carried away. That could explain some of the disconnect between his philosophies and his actions.

[Roosh]

(04-25-2018 08:13 PM)Luther Wrote:  

And he might of started out with nothing but good intentions, but once the money started flowing and the power started growing and the panties started dropping... it'd be easy to get carried away. That could explain some of the disconnect between his philosophies and his actions.

What strikes me is that the nature of everything he did was explained by his work, particularly the corrupting influence of power, money, and prestige. Check out this quote of his, which you can apply to his and Sheela's efforts to keep the commune open after getting resistance from the locals:

Quote:

When you want to prove that you are somebody you hurt everyone’s ego, and they will all try to prove that you are nothing. What, who, do you think you are? You have to prove it, and it is a very hard way, very violent, very destructive.

The problem therefore isn't of not having the knowledge, which Osho undoubtedly had, but being blinded by your knowledge in times of stress, difficulty, or to sustain an ego high. In the end, he was human, so I will see him as that instead of the second Buddha that many others do.

[Rigsby]

Interesting observations Roosh. I haven't watched this yet. I'll get around to it at some point.

I have a bit of a unique perspective on this, which is interesting to me at least. I'll start at the beginning. Actually, no, I'll start in the middle, then get to the beginning later.

A few years ago when I moved out of London and in to a small rural town, I met this strange old bloke with a long grey beard. Bit of a hippy type. Bit brain-damaged from probably too many drugs. But when you talked to him he was quietly lucid and was quite deep in a real way - none of that hippy-dippy bullshit platitude stuff. He was kind and soft and gentle, but most of all he was genuine, if not a little guarded and 'private'.

I came home a couple of times to find him in our kitchen or sitting on our sofa eating a cheese and pickle sandwich he had made for himself from our fridge. Now, not only had he let himself in (our door was usually open), he had raided the fridge to make himself a little light breakfast. In anyone else this might have been annoying, but in 'Sol' it was rather endearing and only made me more fond of him.

When we first met I helped him out with some software and it turned out that he had quite a decent little project studio in his house. He had just moved from London as well, but had been there for some years.

I ended up giving him music lessons / producer lessons / engineering lessons. He was a performance artist as well as a real artist. He specialised in Glossolalia - you know - speaking in tongues - that kind of thing. He would give impromptu performances in the middle of the pub, the street, the library (where he would usually astutely ignore me for some reason). But it was never attention whorish, just spontaneous. I introduced him to the school of Glossolalia and bands like Dead Can Dance, and he was eternally grateful.

When I was in his house and his studio room, I noticed lots of photos on the wall of him and this strange 'Indian' looking bloke. The 'Indian' bloke seemed oddly familiar, but I never could place the face. I never asked who this guy was, who he had so many photos of - just him and the fella together - in many different situations and scenes.

I thought no more of it.

We made some great music together, and even better, he made some great music by himself. I had taught him well. Even with his learning difficulties (not the typical ones). I fixed up some of his computers. He paid me well. He always bought pastries for us to have with coffee in the middle of our music lessons, on our break.

He was the only friend I made in that place. Then I moved away to where I am now when my mum got Cancer. She has her final test in a couple of days funnily enough, the one that tells her she is all clear and won't need any more tests. Till the next time...

Sol came to visit me a couple of times here. Then life caught up quickly with him. He told me of this thing in his stomach that he could feel. That had been growing and wouldn't go away. I was concerned for him and advised him to go to the doctor straight away.

Some time passed. We drifted apart. Life caught up with me as well. I got a phone call one day to say that he had died of Cancer. He had gone to one of his 'hippy' friends in Spain to die. It was peaceful apparently. He had told me nothing.

Just as he thought nothing of letting himself in and raiding the fridge for a snack, he also thought nothing of mentioning he was dying.

He was the son of a 'street walker' as he called his mother. He never knew his father. He never really knew his mother either. Sol was a good old soul as we used to call him. But a very lost soul as well. We shared some of those moments that sometimes two people can have the privilege to share in this life. It was enough. It's never enough. I still have his xmas cards on my wall here right now. Looking at them in fact. One day I'll take them down.

Fast forward.

One day I am reading the news on the internet or something (I forget) and what face do I see on my computer screen? Why, if it isn't that strange 'Indian' bloke that was in all those photos from my now deceased mate.

Alarm bells going off.

Then I hear his name: Osho!

More alarm bells going off again (we need to go to the beginning of the story for the reason why).

So, this was the bloke in all the photos. Sol had never once mentioned his name and I never did ask.

He had obviously been a major part of what was going on there. I know he had spent a lot of time in Germany (where Osho had a setup for a while iirc). His 'street walker' mother was German. Not sure if any connection.

Maybe Osho took a lot of time out to have many different photos taken of him with his 'disciples'. I really don't know.

I was in touch with the hippy lady who had a place in Spain as well as the UK (and who was German as well), and I think from the few emails we exchanged that she was definitely part of that setup. No mention of Osho. All very hush hush.

She sent me several SJW 'sign this petition' kind of shit to my email, but was very tight-lipped about his death overall. I wanted to know what had happened to all of his stuff, to his music studio equipment. Not for any selfish reasons (I have more than enough studio equipment myself), but for personal reasons - hard drives, stuff that we had done together, stuff that he had done by himself.

She stopped sending me mails when I stopped responding to her. It's all a bit vague. She was nice but I took a bit of a dislike to her with her shitty/bitchy attitude to all things lefty. And keep in mind I was a lefty myself back then. But she was 'militant', shall we say. No matter.

Anyway, I was reading about this Osho bloke. Cult, poisoning, wanted by the Feds, brain-washing, sex-case! It was too funny.


And now to the beginning of my story.

The extra alarm bells went off in my head after seeing his face (the strange 'Indian' bloke in the photos on the wall), but this time because of his name: Osho!

Just before leaving London I got to know some other people quite well. Also music related. Kind of hippy types again. But obvious charlatans.

This name 'Osho' had been bandied about quite a lot. Apparently, apart from having a setup in London at the time, he had something going in Amsterdam as well.

I visited Amsterdam at the time it was still happening, but they said 'no room at the inn'. It was obvious they had something going on there but it had become closed to 'newcomers'.

Apparently it was the archetypal hippy commune. People were fucking each other left, right and center. That wasn't why I was trying to get in. I was just about to be made homeless and it was a potential avenue for me.

Osho, his place in London and his place in Amsterdam were quite the conversation piece on occasion. There were friends and friends of friends who had been there. You had to pay gibs. You had to bow down to the master (Osho). But if you just went along with things you could fuck a lot of otherwise very fuckable women that you might not elsewhere get the opportunity to do.

My so called 'friend' was a sexual predator. Not in the rapist sense. But he was a sleazeball and slimeball of the highest order. He was a sex-addict. He was also a hypocrite. He had 'infiltrated' not just the setup Osho had in London but the one in Amsterdam as well.

So, this bloke on the wall with all the photos?

This 'guru' who ran a free for all 'eat-as-much-pussy-as-you-can' buffet at these exclusive squats?

That was Osho?

Right!

Ok.



That's about it.

I wonder what would have happened if I hadn't read the news that day on my computer? Well, I suppose I would just tune in to RVF and see this thread. To be fair, it's been on the news a bit again lately with his face and name bandied about like it was before, just with greater ferocity.

I have no idea about the bloke that is 'Osho'. I'm sure he was a charlatan. No doubt highly charismatic in the flesh. Maybe even some of his 'teachings' made sense.

I just know him from that 'bloke on the wall' and the one that run the 'hippy communes' where people would get fucked out of their minds on drugs and fuck each other senseless as much as they could possibly get away with. I make no value judgements of the man.

Still, there seems something a little fishy about why his story is being told and the way it is being told. Is it a warning to others? An allegory?


Oh btw, I have more dirt on other cults as well. This time people who live underground and make be-jeweled cities from the carved out rocks.

This one is called 'Damanhur' but I'll leave that for another thread.





I had an 'interview' with them once. But if you wanna play, you gotta pay, you know what I mean?

Strange lot cults.

[debeguiled]

@Rigsby

Was the commune in Amsterdam on land or sea? I stayed at a co-ed hostel run by Osho's people, called Rajneeshis back before he had to change his brand. It was on a barge and cheap as hell and a lot of bed hopping going on.

Vibe was not good. Young people all want freedom, but too much freedom feels unnatural.

[Rigsby]

(05-09-2018 07:10 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

@Rigsby

Was the commune in Amsterdam on land or sea? I stayed at a co-ed hostel run by Osho's people, called Rajneeshis back before he had to change his brand. It was on a barge and cheap as hell and a lot of bed hopping going on.

Vibe was not good. Young people all want freedom, but too much freedom feels unnatural.

It was on land. In the center of Amsterdam. They had a couple of hard looking dread-locked bitches on the front door.

This would have been around 1999 or so. Hard to tell coz I visited a few times around that period, and well, it's a bit of a blur.

I mentioned a name of some people I knew. They went off, came back. No luck.

I seem to remember the place had '11' in the name. The 'Eleven' club?

Ha ha, just googled it. Amsterdam came up. Then again, my VPN is running through Amsterdam right now, just a coincidence.

Even my mate got blown out eventually. Sure, he was just in it for the sex and the drugs - he was a true degenerate - not even a hippy. But they wanted true believers. I don't think he was vulnerable enough.

I'm racking my brains as to where they had the set up going in London as well. The 'Osho' brand was a kind of hushed up 'well-known-secret', for the exclusively informed! :-)

I've not heard anyone else say they knew of Osho's operations in Amsterdam, well, certainly not on a barge anyway.

You got that right about the vibe though. It was just 'weird' shall we say. Wouldn't have wanted to stay there even if they'd invited me in.

Got other stories to tell as well about squats in Berlin back around that time. Fuck, I got off lightly just being homeless for a while I think. Could have been much worse.

Amsterdam is a strange place. This may sound bad, but I don't trust the people there at all.

[Cr33pin]

From the comments of this video on YouTube

Mystic Soul:
I was there and all this documentary shows is how these film makers have no understanding of Osho. In this country church and state are not separate. And even if you buy your own land in the middle of nowhere if your lifestyle hurts no one but does not conform to christian standards of repression, then it is condemned as evil. None of these things would have happened if the constitutional right of religious freedom was honored. Sheila was not Osho and if there was any proof that he was behind her insane choices they would have prosecuted Osho, but instead they found an insignificant technicality to arrest him on, poisoned him while in their custody, and he died soon after returning to india, no mention of that tho....

[Cr33pin]

The deep forum is where threads go to die

[Avadhuta]

Rajneeshpuram was a beautiful dream but Osho/Rajneesh lived in a bubble and had done so for a long time in India, before the move to the US. His lack of foresight was his greatest mistake as he did not anticipate the antagonism of the government which should have been obvious considering the repression of the spiritual awakening that happened in the 60's.

His second mistake was appointing Sheela as personal secretary and giving her power of attorney, thus creating the problem we now face which is plausible deniability, ie. "he didn't know". This woman got caught up in his dream and decided to make it in her image, at all costs.

He didn't keep her in line, ever, and let her run the show which is well described in the series. After the shit hit the fan, he finally came out of his silence and started whining about how this woman was on a power trip, evil, on drugs etc. This is probably the most deplorable thing Osho has ever done. He never took responsibility for anything and blamed it on a woman that he gave power to. At this point, it is irrelevant whether he knew what was happening or not because this just shows this man's lack of character and integrity.

In one of the episodes, after the debacle, he said, "I am not a politician", and he wasn't. He was simply a spiritual teacher. He had no business creating this dream or let anyone do it in his name if he wasn't ready to take on the huge responsibility that it entailed.

Something that stands out is that Sheela got a pussy pass. According to Wikipedia "In December 1988, she was released on good behavior after serving 29 months of her 20-year sentence, and moved to Switzerland."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Anand_Sheela#Crimes

On a positive note, his teachings inspired me a lot at the beginning of my spiritual path and like thousands of people, I've found great value in the active meditations and also in some of the therapies that have been developed by his followers.

Most of all, I appreciated his sense of humour. Anyone who can have a good laugh gets bonus points in my book. I'd definitely recommend his Autobiography of a Spiritually Incorrect Mystic, in particular his personal explanation of the Rolls-Royces drama.

[ADEBISIGARANA]

Osho tried to take over the Govt. So he got my respect

[911]

(06-27-2018 09:13 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  

Rajneeshpuram was a beautiful dream but Osho/Rajneesh lived in a bubble and had done so for a long time in India, before the move to the US. His lack of foresight was his greatest mistake as he did not anticipate the antagonism of the government which should have been obvious considering the repression of the spiritual awakening that happened in the 60's.

(07-02-2018 07:54 PM)ADEBISIGARANA Wrote:  

Osho tried to take over the Govt. So he got my respect

Actually, the "spiritual awakening that happened in the 60s" was one of the most successful attempt to dumb down and control the population. The "counterculture" was a psy-op on white Boomers, it turned conservative Christian society into a rudderless, drugged out, navel-gazing, self-centered generation that was deprived of its cultural roots and extended family support, and polluted with the "it takes a village" Brave New World ethos.

Most of our modern social and political problems derive from the damage inflicted on that generation, and the devastation that generation has left on their trail. Eastern cults like Baghwan's were a big part of this cultural transformation/degradation.


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Baghwan was a cult leader, pure and simple, he fleeced his gullible white sheep followers. 90 Rolls Royces don't lie. He wasn't some kind of maverick taking on the government, he was part of the deep state's cultural engineering program.

[Cr33pin]

OSHO sneaking into my motivational videos... he makes a brief cameo at 2:03

[Bienvenuto]

“Dumping!!!" of ilegals in Sanctuary cities/ Boston Globe encourages poisonings of Trump officials’ food”

Wild Wild Country is like watching the Dems and the loony liberal leftists if they were stuck on an island together.

The Leftist journos all lie and say that the Migrant Cravans just organically grew up, poor oppressed migrants banding together for self defence in their journey through.. ahem wild country.

Oh no.

"Under the auspices of a humanitarian “Share-a-Home” program, the Rajneeshees chartered dozens of buses and promised homeless people food, clothing, and shelter if they came to the compound. Their efforts were wildly successful, bringing in more than 2,300 people, all of whom were forced to register to vote when they get off the bus. They could stay with one condition: They had to vote for the Rajneeshees’ commissioner candidates." Welcome to the land of George Soros.

Classic Globo Homo, power hungry Leftist move


See if you can get to watch the footage in one of the episodes of Wild Wild Country.



There is a specific ‘cut’ between Oregon State vetoing the enrolment of any new voters in 1984 and an ex-Osho official bemoaning loudly, not just their political defeat, but also asking aloud how were they to manage their new population of often mentally ill homeless people in their commune..
the population that they had bussed in and created.



Direct parallel with events of last 24 hours.



Before that soundbite there was extensive footage of the Osho officials trumpeting that they were the champions of these dispossessed and Marginalised people that America had turned its back on and that they were, in contrast, the saviours of.



Again: a direct parallel with the current Dems use of migrant caravans and illegals to achieve their political goals.



When in 2019 the Trump administration proposes to bring the asylum seeking populations on the border to sanctuary cities the Left cries “how are we to manage them?”



Exactly what happened in 1984 when the Rajneeshees tried to 
bring in more than 2,300 street people, all of whom were forced to register to vote when they get off the bus.



The administration takes the Leftists or liberals up on their own gambit, and the Leftists/ Liberals suddenly balk at the actual responsibility of dealing with populations whose movements they encouraged.



When their votes became useless the Osho/ Rajneeshees bemoaned how they were supposed to handle this vast collection of often unstable people in their rarified, until then almost totally white and middle class and -not very diverse- liberal community?


The Osho official says that their solution was to spike beer kegs with tranquilizer in order to subdue their guests.



Just as the Boston Globe yesterday suggested that tampering with the food of the president and anyone associated with him was a good idea.

And what did the journalists say.. "Make them live in fear."

How? AR-15s in hand? Straight up fist fight? No no no..

Poison them. Poison the well.. Real brave strategy from our ultra-liberal peacenik friends.

Rajneeshpuram had the same benefactors, strategists and supporters that the rest of the Left Globe-Homo Democrat parties have.

Osho wasn't a political hack or a psy-op.
He was genuine in his goals and his self belief.
But he was delusional in those beliefs in my opinion, the only reason that he wasn't a charlatan was because he believed his own crap.

I could go on but the fact that his ultra-liberal left wing devotees went straight to their vote rigging bullshit, total control of populations, eating-their-own.. crap demonstrates that beyond his own thoughts and ideas Osho was well out of his depth.