[jariel]

(09-24-2011 12:09 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

A lot of American men, have lost a lot of confidence in themselves because they're scared to really conquer the world. One of the reasons why people complain so much about corporations is that they're the only people who have really taken full advantage of globalization. Many people have been indoctrinated into believing that they can only find their happiness here, where yet there is a world, willing to embrace your creative mind and genius, yet you choose to wither away in the basements of your mothers and father's houses, because you're scared of the unknown; it's not your fault though.

From the age of 3, you've been raised to see the worse in the world, you've been raised to see the worse of Europe, the worse of Africa and the worse of Asia, you've been taught to be depressed and enslaved by loans and debt, rather than to stand on your own in a nation free, where your skills and passion for life would not only enable you to flourish, but would make you happy. Uncover your eyes, the American mind, it's creativity and it's ambition, have been the driving force in the world decades, and not much has changed. Your desire to partake in a system that swallows you in and spits you out, is the reason why so many of your bosses treat you like shit. Go where you're wanted, and you'll be amazed how much you can accomplish.

And if they don't want you here, trust me they want you somewhere.

+1 This is one of the best posts in the thread.

[Excelsior]

(09-25-2011 10:29 PM)5K2D Wrote:  

Actually, there are some upsides to certain colleges: if you go to a school that is considered "prestigious", you have much better access to job recruiters than someone from a school with less of a name brands. I won't speculate on whether it's "fair" or not, but the advantage certainly exists.

What he said.

[mycleverid]

Wow, did this thread get interesting while I was not looking.

For those asking about oil and gas jobs, the big thing that sucks right now is a lot of the first stage stuff is being done by new companies. The guy who mentioned Petrohawk is spot-on. Oil and gas is working in three stages right now. Some group of guys get some money and some bodies and start a fly-by night. They sink some holes on some leases they buy and they hit something or else they provide a key service like wellheads to a large company. They get bought out by a regional company with some age and reputation. Then either those leases get bought by the big boys or the whole regional company gets bought if its portfolio is solid.

What sucks for the guy looking for a job is that these tiny companies just fire up overnight and try to go into business with the resources they have. Often they're just pulling references and recommendations from anyone and everyone they know and assembling crews on the fly.

Where you can find regular job postings online is from the regionals. I should ask around the working guys I know in the industry. A lot of them have been moving around in the year because of the companies reshuffling. If I turn up anything that clearly connects you to a job, I'll post it.

If I were as desperate as some of the folks I hear these days, I'd find my way to the Dakotas and just knock on every door until I had a job.

[ersatz]

(09-24-2011 09:04 AM)mycleverid Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 06:49 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

You yanks dont appreciate how in demand your skills are worldwide sometimes.

The problem is to get a work visa in many countries, we have to prove our hiring wouldn't cause a qualified local to not be hired.

Ohohoho, that can be bypassed by any good lawyer and specifically crafted requirements. How the hell else will all the H1-Bs in the USA, one of the most arrogant, stuck up, fucking PITA immigration departments and processes in the WORLD (a mirror to all of Roosh's complaints about american women) get green cards in droves? They too, have to go through a labor certification but it gets fucking DONE!

[Aliblahba]

ersatz is right. Lawyers are a gateway. A friend of mine got outta his 3rd DUI. Total cost? $20K. That bill was split between the lawyer, and the judge and DA that needed to fill their war chests for upcoming campaigns. And then there was O.J.

The key is finding the right lawyer/country that this will work in. Bureaucracy/corruption can be your friend.

Btw, do any of you guys know any Americans that just straight up got a Euro work visa w/out being sponsored by a specific company? Some countries are bound to be easier to penetrate. I would like to have the option of moving in and shopping around. I see A LOT of great opportunities in offshore that are restricted to EU work visas.

[ersatz]

(09-27-2011 08:56 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

ersatz is right. Lawyers are a gateway. A friend of mine got outta his 3rd DUI. Total cost? $20K. That bill was split between the lawyer, and the judge and DA that needed to fill their war chests for upcoming campaigns. And then there was O.J.

The key is finding the right lawyer/country that this will work in. Bureaucracy/corruption can be your friend.

Btw, do any of you guys know any Americans that just straight up got a Euro work visa w/out being sponsored by a specific company? Some countries are bound to be easier to penetrate. I would like to have the option of moving in and shopping around. I see A LOT of great opportunities in offshore that are restricted to EU work visas.

20k as a literal donation?? Wooowww, thats bad.

A lot of countries are far more open for business too. Singapore, Korea, HK, etc. It's not corruption! Just putting 'has native english speaking ability and first hand knowledge of the north american market' in the requirements would pretty much only be you in europe. And there are other visa categories that you can come in under if you so feel inclined. If an employer is hurting for a specific employee type, they'll get the lawyers to get you in.

As for DIY for europe, there is things like the Dutch American Friendship treaty in the netherlands:

http://www.expatlaw.nl/dutch_american_fr...treaty.htm

Or you can start a business in lithuania:

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/some-o...his-place/

[iknowexactly]

(09-25-2011 10:20 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Sun Tzu will applaud you on your tenacity in mauling the enemy.

Oh, that is good. Haha !!

[jariel]

Six million Americans aged 25-34 are living with their parents, 2:1 men to women ratio.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...2-00-17-27

[Hooligan Harry]

Thats because a lot of women aged 25-34 are actually supported by the men in their lives.

[Saladin]

(09-28-2011 05:45 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Thats because a lot of women aged 25-34 are actually supported by the men in their lives.

Thats true. Betas in Toronto do a helluva lot of supporting.
My older friend(33) was telling me how he was banging a chick in her boyfriends Porsche, she had 2 boyfriends supporting her. He told me that this is very common with models are other attractive women. Toronto men as a whole are a bunch of pussies.

Of course, him being the rare Toronto playa, he refuses to spend any money on her.

[Saladin]

(09-24-2011 12:09 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

A lot of American men, have lost a lot of confidence in themselves because they're scared to really conquer the world. One of the reasons why people complain so much about corporations is that they're the only people who have really taken full advantage of globalization. Many people have been indoctrinated into believing that they can only find their happiness here, where yet there is a world, willing to embrace your creative mind and genius, yet you choose to wither away in the basements of your mothers and father's houses, because you're scared of the unknown; it's not your fault though.

From the age of 3, you've been raised to see the worse in the world, you've been raised to see the worse of Europe, the worse of Africa and the worse of Asia, you've been taught to be depressed and enslaved by loans and debt, rather than to stand on your own in a nation free, where your skills and passion for life would not only enable you to flourish, but would make you happy. Uncover your eyes, the American mind, it's creativity and it's ambition, have been the driving force in the world decades, and not much has changed. Your desire to partake in a system that swallows you in and spits you out, is the reason why so many of your bosses treat you like shit. Go where you're wanted, and you'll be amazed how much you can accomplish.

And if they don't want you here, trust me they want you somewhere.

+1.

As YMG has proven multiple times with his client placements, going overseas is usually a far better idea.

Most men have no ambition, no desire to see the world, and are usually happy with their McDonalds and fat girlfriend unfortunately.

[DGS]

(09-24-2011 12:09 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

A lot of American men, have lost a lot of confidence in themselves because they're scared to really conquer the world. One of the reasons why people complain so much about corporations is that they're the only people who have really taken full advantage of globalization. Many people have been indoctrinated into believing that they can only find their happiness here, where yet there is a world, willing to embrace your creative mind and genius, yet you choose to wither away in the basements of your mothers and father's houses, because you're scared of the unknown; it's not your fault though.

From the age of 3, you've been raised to see the worse in the world, you've been raised to see the worse of Europe, the worse of Africa and the worse of Asia, you've been taught to be depressed and enslaved by loans and debt, rather than to stand on your own in a nation free, where your skills and passion for life would not only enable you to flourish, but would make you happy. Uncover your eyes, the American mind, it's creativity and it's ambition, have been the driving force in the world decades, and not much has changed. Your desire to partake in a system that swallows you in and spits you out, is the reason why so many of your bosses treat you like shit. Go where you're wanted, and you'll be amazed how much you can accomplish.

And if they don't want you here, trust me they want you somewhere.

God damn this is good!


As someone who just turned 27 and have not gotten a "real" job after getting my finance degree 4 years ago, I have to say:

Yes, I am fucking scared to go out there and conquer the world, and my fear is Media messages of "easy good life" (reality tv and celeb) + the parent's fault for spoiling us and being afraid to take chances themselves thus setting bad examples, and YES, those that do hustle, those who say "Fuck it, it's time to become a MAN and face the music of responsibility" - those will go far.


Off the top of my head - about 3 months ago I was doing promotions in South FL. I was getting paid $30/hr cash MINIMUM with $80/hr cash on my best day. It's a tough hustle but if you want money it's there


You can go work on a yacht tomorrow after taking a test jump on a plane to FT lauderdale go dock walking make 2-3k CASH per month while getting all expenses covered, and if you stick with it you can make it to the capt position making SERIOUS money running 15 mil boats.

You can start buying things from desperate sellers on craiglist right now, today. You will call and email with lowball offers trying to make $50-150 on each flip, 80% of the time you will be told to shove off, but I know a guy making $15,000 a MONTH doing this - what does he have that you don't- more money and balls to do it, that's it. Start with apple products so you don't get burned.


I know many like myself feel we are not even sure what we are good at, if anything, and if we go and start doing things, will others call BS and expose us as fakes? Well, go and find out! Sitting around wasting time and not doing anything IS A CHOICE - not making a choice is a CHOICE.


Good luck


if anyone hears about jobs for a fluent Russian/US/ hustler overseas or here please let me know.

Cheers

[hydrogonian]

(09-25-2011 03:26 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

There are some community colleges that are highly regarded academically, not expensive, and jammed with hot 18-20 y/o girls.
I went to univ but if i did it over again i'd seriously consider going that route

My god, is that the truth. I'm in my last semester of a second degree now, in my early to mid thirties. I take classes online through an out-of state state school, but take proctored tests at a community college. I go up to the community college and study for a few hours before each test.

Let me tell you that there is literally no better hunting ground that I have seen. That includes the local 4 year college campuses and any other social venues in the city.

If you want to practice day game (sorry Roosh, i haven't had a chance to buy Day Bang yet - I dont know if this advice contradicts), put on a cool but slightly preppy shirt (most guys there will be dressed super shitty), grab some reading material, any reading material so it looks like you belong (and an ipod so that you dont actually have to read if you dont want to), and go and find the study areas of your local community college. Check the building where they have their testing center, where the library is, and where other designated study areas might be.

Then, set up for a few hours and get ready for the parade of young, hot, available targets to walk by, sit near you to study, etc...

It seems to be a better strategy then more social areas, because girls will more often be solo in the study areas. When not studying, they tend to be walking somewhere or in groups. In the study areas, they are EASY targets. Also, there is something about the community college environment where girls aren't going to be too caught up in their own social groups to care if you are plugged in at their school (state school campuses), they definitely aren't pretentious (like on the Ivy campuses around my area), etc..Just young, dumb, and out for fun... Being older even seems to work as a sleight advantage on the community college campus.

Try it out, thank me later.

[Irminsul]

(09-24-2011 11:48 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Jobs all over the world for qualified people. You would make good money by American standards, but that money in those countries would be like earning 4-5 times as much back home.

Hit the web guys. Just because the USA is going through a rough patch does not mean the rest of the world has descended into chaos. Engineers in Aus these days are not pulling anything less than 130k a year. My father contracts out at $110 an hour as a draftsman these days. We sit at parity with the USD.

Here, BHP advertising jobs in Chile, Canada, Australia, Singapore

http://internaljobs.bhpbilliton.com/sear...anguage=en

If you have technical skills in particular, there are a ton of options abroad. Throw into the mix American college degrees and yo are not going to have too many problems. Its not all doom and gloom, and the USA is not the only place your skills are needed.

Are there entry-level jobs for people with engineering degrees in Australia and these other countries? And, if so, where does one find them? There's lots of stuff in the US too, for people with experience, but for entry-level it's pretty rough.

[manilaguy]

(09-22-2011 12:29 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

IT'S OFFICIAL: The Recession Has Created A New Lost Generation

New census data released today reveals that the recession has made American 20 to 30-somethings into a Lost Generation of unemployed and underemployed, the AP reports.

According to economists, this trend will continue through the decade, and when its over, it will take another decade for this generation to fully recover.

The dream of going to college, getting a degree, finding a job, and striking out on your own has dissipated, leaving only staggering numbers. Only 2.4% of college graduates find jobs that motivate them to move out of state. So they go home.

5.9 million members of The Lost Generation will leave college and return home to live with their parents, that's 25% more than the last recession. Most of them are men.

When they do get home, this generation will work odd jobs until they can start careers. But only a little over half of them make it to that point (55.3%).

Of course this delays the entire process of becoming an adult, getting married, buying a house, and starting a family. Marriage among those aged 24-32 reached a new low of 44.2%. Homeownership fell from 67.3% in 2006 to 65.4% in 2010.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/america-l...z1YhfxnKRD

What is the younger cats take on this?

Overblown?

Dead on?

Thoughts?

I graduated on the eve of the recession in the part of the country where the meltdown was first felt at full force (California Bay Area). Since then I've been laid off, unemployed, traveled to latin america, and now find myself in the northeastern corridor with a nice career.

What was it like? VERY FUCKIN HUMBLING.

I was about to be married, good thing this bitch found another older more stable dude or I would have married a gold digger.

How has it affected me?

I check unemployment news almost daily. It also forced embark me on a journey of self-development. At the moment I am lightweight physically, and emotionally. My material possessions can fit in a small carrying case, I am ready to bounce in a moment's notice. I am free of previous addictions that consume my resources. I read books, went to networking events, polished my resume, but mostly swallowed my pride and armed myself with job hunting knowledge.

I have learned to be a market player. Oh yes, there is nothing like the education one receives in a career center admist battered laborers who cannot use computers and ESL guidance counselors. I was fortunate enough to be placed in a low paying job with awful bosses who tortured my ego until there was none left.

That low paying job I now have parlayed into a career with global possibilities.

And, yet, one thing I learned from this recession is I must not be proud -- that I must be humble. For at an any moment, it can all be taken away from me.

The girls are now here, yet to be honest, they do not interest me as much as I thought they would have. I am more bent in protecting my castle. Which is why I am here in rooshs forum, to gleam the wisdom of the older cats and the smarter young cats cuz .. god damn..

the wilderness sucks.

wilderness = unemployment

[pitt]

(10-04-2011 10:48 PM)Irminsul Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 11:48 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Jobs all over the world for qualified people. You would make good money by American standards, but that money in those countries would be like earning 4-5 times as much back home.

Hit the web guys. Just because the USA is going through a rough patch does not mean the rest of the world has descended into chaos. Engineers in Aus these days are not pulling anything less than 130k a year. My father contracts out at $110 an hour as a draftsman these days. We sit at parity with the USD.

Here, BHP advertising jobs in Chile, Canada, Australia, Singapore

http://internaljobs.bhpbilliton.com/sear...anguage=en

If you have technical skills in particular, there are a ton of options abroad. Throw into the mix American college degrees and yo are not going to have too many problems. Its not all doom and gloom, and the USA is not the only place your skills are needed.

Are there entry-level jobs for people with engineering degrees in Australia and these other countries? And, if so, where does one find them? There's lots of stuff in the US too, for people with experience, but for entry-level it's pretty rough.

If you have an engineering degree then you will only be unemployed if you want to. Go hard on the search for a job, there are MANY opportunities in that field. I just joined the oil industry, typing from a camp right now, my datasheet about the oil industry is coming soon on tommys topic.

Just a quick tip, GE is always recruiting recent graduates, you may want to try them for the sake of experience.

[velkrum]

(09-28-2011 05:45 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Thats because a lot of women aged 25-34 are actually supported by the men in their lives.

Isn't that the way its suppose to be ??

[DVY]

Out of all my friends who I grew up with, I would guess 25% unemployed and live at home, another 25% dicked around for a while and then ended up in law school, 20% have gov jobs/menial jobs w/parents, the rest are working mediocre jobs/lawyers and make around 50-60k.

A few relatives I know have decent law jobs (175k+) or biz jobs (85k+) but work insane hours. If you calculate the hourly, it works out to be about the same hourly as mediocre jobs.

In short, most people are living w/little funds and yet they still have status symbols like a C-class mercedes (of course, on lease), Ray-bahns, iphone 5, etc.

No wonder, its a lost generation...

[DVY]

On a side note, holiday reunions are great because its like real-life facebook. Catch up w/ppl you havent seen for a while, and shoot the shit....

Man, all the young people getting of out of college are falling flat on their faces. Salaries are terrible. I was chatting w/a guy who finished UCSB w/a good GPA in economics. He applied to analyst positions at all major banks/firms. Offers are horrible...Goldman Sachs in Salt-Lake City, Utah is paying 44k/year 1st year, some other firm starting is 55k/year. Of course all these have obscene hours (10+hrs/day). He quipped that salaries rise after 1st year, but still your making minimium wage hourly!!!!

I predict major and spectacular flame-outs in law and business by just the sheer influx of people coming into it. Coming economic student loan crisis is insane. If your student debt for law and undergrad is 200k, and your salary is 50k- Good luck to the economy growing when housing, gas, food and other expenses eat up most of your after-tax income (especially in CA). Bye-bye to owning a house by the time your 35. Hello corporate slavery and indebtness.

[Screwston]

Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

[el mechanico]

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  

Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

Tell em Houston! Go get a job!!!

Notice the usernames here..I'm the only one that works!!!!

Where's the

Dave the plumber

A/C Tom

Janitor Jim

Etc,,etc..

[Teedub]

You can be bitter, and you are perfectly within reason to be feeling that way. We've basically been shunted by our 'masters' in favour of cheap labour and banksters. That said, we can perhaps see it as a blessing in disguise as it is almost forcing my generation to become much more entrepreneurial than we would have otherwise been.

[Teedub]

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  

Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

I definitely see a lot of people who have this attitude. Its another form of entitlement attitude. But there is SOME legitimate logic to it if they have just spent X amount of money going to university etc

[solo]

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  

Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

Personally, I see a lot of benefits with those type of jobs. The process of being hired is often shorter and easier than for white collar. Little or no contact with BS hr departments. Possibly easier to get short-term contracts as well, whereas you often have to commit for several years if you want a stable white collar job. Maybe the pay isn't that much worse either, especially since the income-level salaries for white collar jobs seems to stagnate or even drop.

Not to mention all the benefits of being physically active on your job, instead of just sitting in front of a computer screen.

For the next few years I will be looking to do this up to 6 months a year, while traveling and learning languages for the rest of the year. If I can get some kind of income going while on road as well, all the better. Then further down the road I might still focus on getting a career going again.

[raliv]

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  

Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

College graduates in particular don't like the idea of Blue Collar work because:

1. They still want to be around people in their own age and peer group.
2. They view Blue Collar workers as uneducated proles and "rednecks."

I'm not saying it's true but that is what I am gathering as why SWPL young men are hesitant to be a Blue Collared worker.