[UrbanNerd]

(09-22-2011 04:22 PM)ersatz Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 03:04 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Unfortunately, the economy has it so that the ONLY college majors with a good ROI (return on investment) are:

1) Computer Science (hardware or software engineering emphasis)
2) Computer Engineering (emphasis in hardware or software engineering, networks, cryptology or information assurance)
3) Mathematics (applied or computer science emphasis)
4) Petroleum Engineering
5) Chemical Engineering (Petroleum emphasis)
6) Accounting (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
7) Finance (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
8) Nursing
9) Medicine

Any other college major and right now.....it's a crap shoot.

Electrical eng. is shitty?

No, but you pretty much have to be in signals and networks and applications to computer science for your EE degree to be more marketable. Basically, you have to damn-near be a computer engineer. Not a whole lot of power electronic jobs out there.

[booze hound]

(09-22-2011 06:51 PM)Rah Wrote:  

I don't think it's just the recession. There's a whole developing world full of kids who are hungry for success and they're getting themselves educated. I'm going to Asia to hire at the entry-level for my company wherever possible. Fuck paying 4x as much for some dull eyed know-nothing facebook checker stateside.

Overpopulation means human life is getting cheap. There's over 200,000 humans added to the world's population every day and that number is increasing exponentially. You better be able to do something useful or you're going to be fucked pretty soon here.

My guess is the USA will sink into third-world-like levels, and then kidnapping rich folks, robbing people, and selling dope will be the way the underclass survives. For a preview, just look at Mexico.

You'd be surpised how quickly people decend into madness when their bellies & pockets are empty.

[Samseau]

I've known tons of friends who couldn't get a job during 2008, 2009, and 2010. This article is nothing new to me.

Obama = joke, USA economy = government run shit hole

[choichoi]

yeah my romance languages major, is useless since i coulda studied all that shit on my own, but it makes for a good laugh at job interviews and piques interest of the bishes.

[Docter]

I think the scope of this problem is larger than people realize, as its a general issue with how american society is functioning.

as for my opinion, those of us who acknowledge this bullshit have already taken proactive work-arounds. I dropped out of college for instance. those who are hit the hardest by it are the ones who think they can't do shit about it

[OSL]

I think our generation should become migrant workers. When you think of the term migrant worker you generally think of a Cantonese guy coming to LA to become a delivery boy. In this case, I'm talking about a 27 year old American guy who can't get a white collar job in California, becomes an English teacher in Malaysia for 6 months, then transitions into a role as a digital media strategist for a regional ad firm.

There is so much pain and frustration out there that I want to resolve. I just returned from a trip from Kuala Lumpur, during which I met with the president of my alumni club for the country. He bemoaned the lack of talent and told me that "any idiot from a western country who speaks decent English, wears a suit, and has a bachelors in any subject could come to Malaysia and become a marketing and communications manager for a boutique 4-5 star hotel. We'd even provide him with room and board in the hotel, so his salary would just be cash in his pocket."


I objected that there were millions of employable people in the region, but then he started discussing all of the reasons why Asians are generally an incompetent workforce.

The opportunities are out there for those who are willing to take the plunge.

I was already optimistic about the prospects for Gen Y people to go abroad and make it happen, but talking with high level managers in recent weeks has made it clear to me that the opportunities abroad are even better than I thought.

Some new issues I'm realizing as I'm consulting people:

-The demographic I've been focusing on, Gen Y, is only a fraction of the various demographics that need help....people in their forties have been contacting me for consultations

-I need to create a system that works outside of China specifically, as that country is definitely not for everyone

-I need to help people design a better system of setting up financial security for themselves in transition - I may add a module in which people become English teachers for 3-6 months while becoming accustomed to their surroundings, network, and get themselves into better positions

[pitt]

(09-22-2011 04:24 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

I've though about this at some length in the past, and I'd recommend that everyone get a degree, but perhaps wait until you are 21-22 to start. Why? Well, first, you'll have a better and easier time fucking every 18 year old in sight.

Second, because its a way to spend four years attaining a piece of paper that can act as a fail-safe if approached the right way.

Very few people take anyone who is under 23-24 seriously in the workplace, anyway, unless you join the army or become a cop/fireman (both increasingly demand college degrees for the job).

Not getting a degree, today, DEMANDS that you become successful by creating a product or service on your own. There is no real future in any employment scenario where you will have a decent life without a degree. Exceptions: cop, soldier, other low level or dangerous government positions. You can get paid in all of these.

Its all about strategy.

Even if you have no current desire to become a teacher or, god forbid, a medical services person, get a degree in one of those fields. That way, you can always get a job that will at least allow you some dignity and perhaps fulfillment should the business ideas fail or until you become experienced enough to think of a business idea that will work.

Figuring out, at 27-30 years old, that you need a four year degree before anyone will even consider you for a meager job is a shitty place to be in. Businesses fail all the time, even ones that were successful in the past. So, I consider spending a few years in the early twenties to get a degree, when you wouldn't be doing shit but trying to fuck women and drinking anyway, a smart use of those early years. At the very least, even if you decide to go into something completely different than your degree, you have the basic courses out of the way that will allow you to get a second degree with only a 1-1.5 year investment. That's what I'm doing right now. If I had to start from scratch, i'd be truly fucked. Actually, I'd probably be relegated to making $600-$1000 per month teaching ESL in third world countries for the rest of my life. It sounds good to adventure seekers, but its not. Oh, and you need a degree to do that in most worthwhile countries.

Unless you have a family business to inherit, some inside track on a government job that doesn't require a degree, or already have an internet business that is doing very well, then its a good idea.

Hydrogonian glad to have you back on here, but allow me to disagree with you.

I think the earlier you start uni the better, specially when you know you are choosing the right course. Also the earlier you get your life sorted the better, if you start uni at 18, after you graduate, you have plenty of time for other shit such as, you may decide to do a post graduation course, by the time you reach 25 you may already have few yrs of work experience and you will be more likely to get better paid.

Soon as you join uni, you will receive loans and government grants that will allow you to travel around the world and fuck nicer women, resuming the earlier you get focused the better, also you have more time to commit mistakes and correct yourself along the way. I graduated at 24 (last yr), i dont think it was over late but it would be great if i had done a bit earlier.

[pitt]

(09-22-2011 06:59 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 04:22 PM)ersatz Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 03:04 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Unfortunately, the economy has it so that the ONLY college majors with a good ROI (return on investment) are:

1) Computer Science (hardware or software engineering emphasis)
2) Computer Engineering (emphasis in hardware or software engineering, networks, cryptology or information assurance)
3) Mathematics (applied or computer science emphasis)
4) Petroleum Engineering
5) Chemical Engineering (Petroleum emphasis)
6) Accounting (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
7) Finance (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
8) Nursing
9) Medicine

Any other college major and right now.....it's a crap shoot.

Electrical eng. is shitty?

No, but you pretty much have to be in signals and networks and applications to computer science for your EE degree to be more marketable. Basically, you have to damn-near be a computer engineer. Not a whole lot of power electronic jobs out there.

Electrical eng. is a great subject. You will easily be employed in the oil industry and you can get the perfect job for our lifestyle (working 6 months per yr).

[kimleebj]

(09-22-2011 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Unless my brother plans to study something like engineering or medicine, I'm going to urge him not to go.

Ouch. Of course I totally agree with not wasting time and money on 4+ years of college. But at a young age he might need a little experimentation. Your school was cheap, and community college is even cheaper, especially if he lives at home.

Maybe he can try some temporary jobs or travel. Don't shut the door to college entirely. Your school has summer programs for high school students. Send him to me for more info.

[UrbanNerd]

I would say if one plans on entering one of the above majors I posted AND is not seeking the investment banking/management consulting career, then doing the "2+2" path to a college degree is a very financially smart thing to do.

2+2 path = knock out the first 2 years at your local community college (preferable one that has agreements with 4-year schools) then finish up at your "state flagship" school.

State Flagship = University of <Your Home State> or <Your Home State> University.

Engineering, Mathematics and Computer Science grads do not need "Top 10" schools to get hired as much as Business majors, so one can graduate with a Computer Science degree from University of Connecticut and still get hired.

No need paying all that money to take English 101, History 101, Sociology 101 at some big-name school.

Note: Ignore what I said if you plan on doing investment banking or management consulting

[jariel]

(09-22-2011 07:10 PM)booze hound Wrote:  

My guess is the USA will sink into third-world-like levels, and then kidnapping rich folks, robbing people, and selling dope will be the way the underclass survives. For a preview, just look at Mexico.

You'd be surpised how quickly people decend into madness when their bellies & pockets are empty.

That reminds of me of a famous Gerald Celente quote:

"When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it."

[Andreas]

@Gmanifesto: would you coach me if i payed you same amount that people pay in Unibersities in England?

[defguy]

Im about to graduate college this semester. I have a very promising internship and may get a 2nd internship before I graduate which will lead to very promising job prospects. I absolutely refuse to go for my masters which I see as only a delay to starting my business which I will do in 1-2 years. While this option is too late for me, I LOVE the idea of going to school when your 21-22 yrs old. Especially if you have weaker game.

As for what to do before then, if you can learn how to be a car mechanic that would be a great buffer. Start learning when your in high school or 18 yrs old and work dirt cheap under an established mechanic while living at home. After learning the ropes in a year or 2 branch out on your own. You can work out of your house and its a cash business (no taxes!) Youll have a trade thats good all over the world, youll learn basic business, you get extremely flexible hours, and there is ALWAYS a demand. Charge $25/hr for labor and if your good at what you do youll cut labor time in half. Plus youll know how to get parts needed dirt cheap. My mechanic works out of his home, hes literally 1/3 if not 1/4 the price of going to a shop. And I never get screwed over, Ive been screwed over multiple times at a shop really bad.

By the time your 21/22 youll have an idea of what you really want, be realistically business minded and have game to mack on chicks. Plus youll be exposed to the real world and the reality of older unattractive women enough to realize that College is a pussy haven.

Not to mention the best part: Every year more and more women are going to college, in a few years most colleges in the nation will be 60-70% female with the minority being male. Pick a college thats 80% female and youll go from beta to alpha in a year.

[Pepini]

(09-22-2011 03:04 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Unfortunately, the economy has it so that the ONLY college majors with a good ROI (return on investment) are:

1) Computer Science (hardware or software engineering emphasis)
2) Computer Engineering (emphasis in hardware or software engineering, networks, cryptology or information assurance)
3) Mathematics (applied or computer science emphasis)
4) Petroleum Engineering
5) Chemical Engineering (Petroleum emphasis)
6) Accounting (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
7) Finance (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
8) Nursing
9) Medicine

Any other college major and right now.....it's a crap shoot.

How can you predict what the market will be in 4 years?
Some friends of mine took civil engineering 5 years ago. Back then it was ranked like one of the mos emplyoable degrees. Now, they are having a hard time landing a good job.

[_DC_]

(09-23-2011 12:33 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 03:04 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Unfortunately, the economy has it so that the ONLY college majors with a good ROI (return on investment) are:

1) Computer Science (hardware or software engineering emphasis)
2) Computer Engineering (emphasis in hardware or software engineering, networks, cryptology or information assurance)
3) Mathematics (applied or computer science emphasis)
4) Petroleum Engineering
5) Chemical Engineering (Petroleum emphasis)
6) Accounting (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
7) Finance (may need to attend a big or high-ranked school)
8) Nursing
9) Medicine

Any other college major and right now.....it's a crap shoot.

How can you predict what the market will be in 4 years?
Some friends of mine took civil engineering 5 years ago. Back then it was ranked like one of the mos emplyoable degrees. Now, they are having a hard time landing a good job.

It's long been known that Civil Engineering to a certain degree, and Industrial "Engineering" aren't quite as intensive as say a ME or EE degree. I'd assume that a lot of Civil positions can also be filled by MEs, but not vice versa.

[Saladin]

(09-23-2011 03:05 AM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

I think our generation should become migrant workers. When you think of the term migrant worker you generally think of a Cantonese guy coming to LA to become a delivery boy. In this case, I'm talking about a 27 year old American guy who can't get a white collar job in California, becomes an English teacher in Malaysia for 6 months, then transitions into a role as a digital media strategist for a regional ad firm.

There is so much pain and frustration out there that I want to resolve. I just returned from a trip from Kuala Lumpur, during which I met with the president of my alumni club for the country. He bemoaned the lack of talent and told me that "any idiot from a western country who speaks decent English, wears a suit, and has a bachelors in any subject could come to Malaysia and become a marketing and communications manager for a boutique 4-5 star hotel. We'd even provide him with room and board in the hotel, so his salary would just be cash in his pocket."


I objected that there were millions of employable people in the region, but then he started discussing all of the reasons why Asians are generally an incompetent workforce.

The opportunities are out there for those who are willing to take the plunge.

I was already optimistic about the prospects for Gen Y people to go abroad and make it happen, but talking with high level managers in recent weeks has made it clear to me that the opportunities abroad are even better than I thought.

Some new issues I'm realizing as I'm consulting people:

-The demographic I've been focusing on, Gen Y, is only a fraction of the various demographics that need help....people in their forties have been contacting me for consultations

-I need to create a system that works outside of China specifically, as that country is definitely not for everyone

-I need to help people design a better system of setting up financial security for themselves in transition - I may add a module in which people become English teachers for 3-6 months while becoming accustomed to their surroundings, network, and get themselves into better positions

One option I'm seriously considering 5-6 years down the line.
Thanks to YMG for opening my eyes to that. Spending a year abroad in College while working in an internship is a solid strategy and one that I'm planning to implement in my 3rd year.

[Kickb]

This is why I got out of the business major and went into pharmacy. I still want to do some kind of entrepreneurial stuff on the side though.

If any of you guys who are in your early 20s want to make 12 to 17 bucks an hour working a job that is not that difficult, get like me and sign up for a pharmacy tech certification course. After you get your license, try to be state certified, this will allow you to make even more money. I'm expecting 15 dollars an hour with state certification. (which isn't too bad at 20)

[jariel]

Despite the realities of the job market and economy as a whole, women will still expect you to be ballin'.

[CupCake]

Yeah, I think about this a lot, actually. I'm 28 with a worthless college degree and a shit-ton of debt.

Right now I can't imagine getting myself into a situation where I make a comfortable income and have enough to support a family. The female prospects out there are God-awful too, which makes finding a supportive partner almost a pipe-dream. With so many people with broken families out there, it's surprising that so many can actually go home to their selfish Me-Generation parents. I know I can't.

I often wonder where I'm going to be in 10 years. Unemployed, drunk, video game addict with no skills and a fat, naggy wife? Seems to be the trend. Yeah, I'm seeing little hope for my generation at this point.

[Vitriol]

(09-23-2011 02:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Despite the realities of the job market and economy as a whole, women will still expect you to be ballin'.

Women seem to be incapable of realizing that the type of lifestyle they expect can only be given to them by the top 1% or so in terms of income. There are a hell of a lot more women out there than guys making 200k+ a year, but women would rather be solipsistic about it.

(09-23-2011 02:55 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

The female prospects out there are God-awful too, which makes finding a supportive partner almost a pipe-dream.

The article makes broad generalizations about how people in their 20s aren't getting married and acts like this is a problem. But mainstream sources also fail to acknowledge the female hypergamous impulse that is at an all time high in American culture. All these college educated girls are only willing to settle down with and get married to guys who are legitimately wealthy. Guys who are their peers in terms of income and education are off the table.

[velkrum]

I remember hearing Gerald Celente talk about the economy. He said a lot of people are going to suffer and / or die but it would be a weeding out process.

The people who make it through this tough period will be the beginning of another renaissance period for humanity.

I thought that was pretty brilliant.

you either get swallowed up in hopelessness and live a miserable life...or you fight to become part of a new renaissance.

[Brian]

(09-23-2011 02:55 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

Yeah, I think about this a lot, actually. I'm 28 with a worthless college degree and a shit-ton of debt.

Right now I can't imagine getting myself into a situation where I make a comfortable income and have enough to support a family. The female prospects out there are God-awful too, which makes finding a supportive partner almost a pipe-dream. With so many people with broken families out there, it's surprising that so many can actually go home to their selfish Me-Generation parents. I know I can't.

I often wonder where I'm going to be in 10 years. Unemployed, drunk, video game addict with no skills and a fat, naggy wife? Seems to be the trend. Yeah, I'm seeing little hope for my generation at this point.

sounds like you need to go Roosh and get out of the country for a little while.

[el mechanico]

(09-23-2011 02:55 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

Yeah, I think about this a lot, actually. I'm 28 with a worthless college degree and a shit-ton of debt.

Right now I can't imagine getting myself into a situation where I make a comfortable income and have enough to support a family. The female prospects out there are God-awful too, which makes finding a supportive partner almost a pipe-dream. With so many people with broken families out there, it's surprising that so many can actually go home to their selfish Me-Generation parents. I know I can't.

I often wonder where I'm going to be in 10 years. Unemployed, drunk, video game addict with no skills and a fat, naggy wife? Seems to be the trend. Yeah, I'm seeing little hope for my generation at this point.

Cheer up dude! I would give everything I have to be 28 again and broke.
Start thinking!!!!!!!! Positively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CupCake]

(09-23-2011 05:39 PM)Brian Wrote:  

sounds like you need to go Roosh and get out of the country for a little while.

I would love to. Got any money I could borrow? Haha. I've always wanted to go to Poland and Roosh's stories are makin' me want to sell my kidney for some travel money. I'm afraid I might wife up while over there though.

(09-23-2011 05:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Cheer up dude! I would give everything I have to be 28 again and broke. Start thinking!!!!!!!! Positively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the encouragement but I don't even know where to start. Got any good books or blogs you know of? I'm desperate for a change. These economic conditions make me so depressed and risk-averse.

[MikeCF]

(09-23-2011 05:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Cheer up dude! I would give everything I have to be 28 again and broke.
Start thinking!!!!!!!! Positively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So would Warren Buffet.

This guy is 28 and throwing it all away, because he's worried about money?

Someday he'll realize he should have enjoyed what really mattered and what is truly scarce and fleeting - time.