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Bang and Day Bang Outdated?
04-04-2018, 09:46 AM
So I'm still really new into game and I've read Bang and Day Bang and been reading a lot of forum posts, but what I've seen from some posts lately is a lot of the game tactics that worked when they were written don't work any more.
For example, I've read some posts saying the strategy of Day Bang worked in 2011 but in 2018 it's outdated. I should be more direct in day game approaches and use Torero's model. I've also read for night game that many aspects of that are outdated like strawberry game.
Now if I'm completely wrong, tell me. But I just wanna know what the best game strategy is for me in this day and age.
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04-04-2018, 10:19 AM
its more framework/guidelines than scripture.
Its like a coaching play in sports, its designed to score. You can run the play as is and eventually you score. but players make plays. things don't run perfectly and as a player you have to figure out how you need to use it to score based on experience.
read a lot of shit out here and then get out and start testing it.
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04-04-2018, 10:22 AM
You need to be a lot more specific.
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04-04-2018, 10:25 AM
Not enough info, because whether or not a game advice is oudated depends a lot on your situation.
I don't know about America but in Paris the strawberry / palm reading routines still work, at least for me. Hell Mystery Method still works for me.
But Roosh book provides a very good roadmap to follow. The principles themselves are not oudated. Day Bang's elderly openers might indeed seem too slow to fire off in big metropolitan cities, but as Roosh put it himself, it's "the only game that will not put you in jail". You will come off at least as a normal person, not a creep. Especially in this "me too" time.
Again, this depends. If you are a sexual, good looking guy, just go direct.
Best way to find out is to do your 100 approach then report back.
I'd counsel against reading too much and end up not doing anything.
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04-04-2018, 11:01 AM
As someone new to Game, I would recommend that you simply blend in the London Daygame model with Roosh's conversational Day Bang Model.
For the approach phase, I would recommend you go direct a la Torrero style. I know it's not easy at first, but it definitely gives you a bigger boost when it comes to creating attraction right off the bat. Indeed it can "scare the cat away... but the more I've done it... the type of girls I was approaching were not the type to get scared in the daytime.
If your type is library/very intellectual type of women... then coffee shop/what type of book are you reading game might be ideal. If not, go direct... and then start the "Galnuc" sequence to de-sexualize the conversation a bit to create rapport... and then you go for the Instadate. Don't focus to much on the method... but on grasping the key principals of both. Once you get good at creating rapport... you'll simply be inspired at doing what you want anyway! Play on Playa!
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04-04-2018, 11:52 AM
Im a perfectionist as well.
The fastest way to improving and "perfection" is by making mistakes. Making more mistakes faster=finding what works and tweaking it to perfection faster.
just gotta get out there
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04-04-2018, 01:12 PM
I haven't read Bang so this is not a comparison, but The Game is a very good book for beginners for a couple of reasons. First, the guy was starting from a very low starting point. Most people are going to start from a better place. Second, the book really paints a picture of what is possible; before you have success, you have to be able to visualize that success is possible. Third, it goes into a lot of the science behind game concepts - things like social proof, the evolutionary basis for approach anxiety, etc. - in very accessible ways. Now, there are a lot of specific techniques in that book that are tired, and Style and the Mystery really took a beta approach to game in that they were slow to escalate. But its a good place to start imho.
I have read Roosh's travelouges such as Dead Bat and 30 Bangs and they are similarly very good for the beginner because of the detail. In those books, Roosh is not afraid to tell you of his mistakes, set backs, challenges, etc.
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04-04-2018, 01:26 PM
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A lot of that stuff is marketing spiel to make things appear more scientific than they actually are.
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04-04-2018, 03:39 PM
The concepts and principles behind the books are solid.
I still read Mystery Method and find a lot of its stuff is still pretty effective if done right.
Negs will always work because they'll always get her spinning and thinking.
Disqualifying I feel probably works better now than ever, cause dudes out here are fuckin' thirsty.
The single best way to build attraction in a mildly interested chick is Mystery's "IOD-DHV-Repeat" method, where you do a compliance test or run a routine, and if she responds negatively to you, you display disinterest in her, display your value, and then retry the compliance.
As fundamental things you should just autopilot do, these books offer a ton of valuable knowledge.
There's nothing new under the sun, and the people who excel are the people who have mastered and who consistently apply the basics.
Gotta build up your foundation before you can branch out, my man, or your house will fall.
Example time!
Just the other day I was chatting with this chick and she said, "Man, your arms are hairy."
Trying to neg me, shit test and see what I'll do.
I said, "Yeah, I go for that hetero look."
She replied, "oh god, I bet your chest is hairy too."
I said, "I see where this is going... Okay, you can touch."
These lines I got from Athol Kay literally 6 years ago and they worked like gold. They rely on some foundational principles that will always be important to understand.
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04-05-2018, 03:32 PM
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Quote: (04-04-2018 01:26 PM)Teedub Wrote:
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A lot of that stuff is marketing spiel to make things appear more scientific than they actually are.
Daygame 2.0 IME seems far superior to 3.0, and guys like Krauser think so also.
That wasn't my point. My point was that all that shit like "pre-approach calibration" is silly. What kind of normal, successful guy talks like that? It's overly scientific sounding terminology to sell products to autists.
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04-08-2018, 03:16 PM
@Teedub: "What kind of normal, successful guy talks like that? It's overly scientific sounding terminology to sell products to autists. "
IMO it's totally fine to talk about game in such technical terms because it's an endeavor that can be broken down in technical terms. I'm not opposed to biologists, physicists, chemists, etc using such jargon when they talk about their respective fields.
Anyway, great question OP. Here's what I have to say. Learn both Day Bang (indirect) and the LDM (direct)
The indirect style of game preached by Day Bang is useful in scenarios like coffee shops where the girl is sitting down, which means you generally have more time to interact with her.
The direct style of game preached by the LDM is useful in scenarios like the street where the girl is on her way some where, which means you generally have to cut to the chase.
Often, you may find that most girls in daygame fit the latter scenario, so you'll probably have to adhere to the LDM style more often. Keep in mind that these are guidelines, not hard and fast rules. You can go direct with a girl who is sitting down, and you can go indirect with a girl who is walking somewhere. You can blend direct with indirect - for instance, you can go indirect within the first few seconds as a low-risk maneuver to gauge her mood, and go direct later. You can have indirect verbals but direct nonverbals.
You can even do this trick I discovered where you go up to a girl, ask her an innocuous question, assess her mood when she responds, and choose whether or not to give a compliment depending on her mood (great for places where you don't want to make a spectacle or gain the ire of a girl who is having a bad day).
Here are the books I recommend you start with.
-Day Bang and Bang (we're on his forum, after all)
-Magic Bullets (learn old school theory)
-Daygame Nitro (beginner/intermediate guide to direct daygame)
You can also watch Torero's beginner's guide. Keep in mind that his 'Daygame 3.0' stuff is for intermediates who are already experienced with daygame and want to take things up a notch.
Note: this is all assuming that you can have a normal conversation and make friends on your own. I wouldn't recommend all this to a basement dweller who doesn't know basic social skills.
