[Arado]

(03-30-2018 06:20 PM)Crash_Bandicoot Wrote:  

USA (East Coast - NYC & Boston - my home. 25+ years of living here) - I talked about how I was killing the minority game here. Easy. White girl game is difficult for me, as I mentioned earlier on in this thread, but after spending a shit ton of time gaming them, I've basically come to learn that playing ultra fuckboy, douchebag, masculine, grounded, white-washed, "I don't give a fuck", let's just have fun and be sexual, kind game works on them better than any other strategy I've tried (it hasn't gotten me a great success rate, but looking back at the girls who I have banged, it's been playing that kind of game that's gotten me something). Indian dudes have the beta stereotype going for them here in the US so we generally need to step up our game and play this up a few more steps than other races. Exception may apply, but my general thought here in NYC.

It makes sense though: Think about it - women create attraction circuits on who they view as attractive based throughout their childhood experiences and what is familiar to them. Growing up in an all white school in Suburban USA, the cool guys were the
douchey Lacrosse/football players, all the professional sports stars (NBA, NFL, etc) seem to be douchey/arrogant & hypermasculine, and the rap music that infiltrates American culture is a bunch of cunts talking about fucking and robbing. While this may hold a little true on other Western countries, it's exponentially and way more emphasized here in the US. I've noticed that in other Western countries, such as Western Europe, Canada, etc., there is an aspect of this to some extent, but in no way as close to what it is in the US. We love the bad boys, sports, rap, etc more than anything - this is what white women subconsciously find exciting - not the providership, loyalty, intelligence seeking traits that our Indian parents taught us. This isn't Bollywood where the men woo their women running through fields of roses.

Anyways, here's my breakdown of other countries:

Ukraine - Turkish dudes are flooding Ukraine and they are known to be sex tourists. And they're everywhere - packed in the clubs, bars, restaurants, brothels...literally in every corner. These motherfuckers are thirsty for pussy and and overly aggressive. Bad rep. Ukrainian women hate them because of the way they act and because they are all sex tourists. I look Middle Eastern (light skinned north Indian) so I was bunched in as Turkish and did terrible in Ukraine. Went to Kiev and the other large main cities

Completely agree on both of these (add Russia to this though it's general societal xenophobia, less so Turkish invasion influence) and I think this is where we need to push the discussion further.

Let's say an Indian guy has got his style, fitness, grooming, style, and social skills together, and is generally able to pull girls from various ethnic groups. This seems to be common for most of the Indian guys on this forum, including me. We don't need to rehash the standard advice that is dished out to all the IRTs that troll the forum on occasion.

However, let's say that because of negative stereotypes either due to shitty Middle East migrant behavior or the media's portrayal of Indian guys as beta, there remain certain groups or locations that remain resistant to him, or at least not AS friendly as they are to white people.

Any guy can drastically improve his game outcomes with better fitness, style, and social skills but let's not kid ourselves. The world is still a pretty racist place and when girls are deciding who to sleep with, these are subconscious lizard brain decisions that she is making based on a variety factors with appearance and a guy's race being important factors. I crushed it in East Asia, but it was plain as day that my white friends with zero personality and language skills got a completely different reception from local girls than I did.

In that case, what should Indian guys do to either set themselves apart from the low wage migrants, or short circuit girls' prejudice against beta Indian guys?

I'm thinking specific suggestions, in terms of outfits, openers, negs, what language to open in (for example in FSU I would suggest a Russian speaking brown dude to open in English instead of Russian), what to say when they ask "where are you from/where are you REALLY from?", what pictures and descriptions to put in an online profile, etc...

[dknightbro]

Good game goes beyond race.

Yes, being real, race is a factor & can get you rejected/blown-out immediately.

But the real question is...why are you worrying about that rejection/blowout in the 1st place? It was going to happen even if you've already maxed out your game!

Game is not a magic pill. It is simply a very powerful tool to maximize your opportunities.

I'll game girls of all races. And not break a sweat if I get rejected/blown-out for factors outside my control. On to the NEXT.

[Cobra]

(03-30-2018 08:53 PM)Arado Wrote:  

In that case, what should Indian guys do to either set themselves apart from the low wage migrants, or short circuit girls' prejudice against beta Indian guys?

I'm thinking specific suggestions, in terms of outfits, openers, negs, what language to open in (for example in FSU I would suggest a Russian speaking brown dude to open in English instead of Russian), what to say when they ask "where are you from/where are you REALLY from?", what pictures and descriptions to put in an online profile, etc...

I'll be the first to say this bro. I don't disagree with the portion of your post that is NOT quoted above. However, as you can tell, I did decide to ignore it because the problem lies within the portion of your post I quoted above. There's a reason for this and I promise it's nothing personal or against you. I just want to help.

That is, there are no specific ways to set yourself apart other than the obvious actions we already mentioned. You can get black and blue in the face thinking of "additional" ways. However, the girls that are racist, they won't give a damn about any of the additional effort, period. Nothing you do can win over a racist chick. So your concentration on winning over those that are racist is misplaced. They can't be won over. Let's just get this out of the way. Remember game for any guy, no matter his race, is to increase the likelihood of a bang from girls that already like you. It's not meant to make girls who despise your race turn and want to jump on your dick magically.

Now what we have left from this is the remaining girls you may "think" are racist because those few girls from their race are, appear racist, feel racist or you heard are racist. Let me tell you the honest truth: not all girls of a certain race are racist against brown dudes because some douchebags made us look bad or you simply heard bad news from said douchebags. Girls give second chances and some straight up have brown guy fetish. Period. However, you need to be present to win which means more approaches and more rejections. Instead, if you blame those rejections on your race theory, you will have a difficult time because you're in a self fulfilling prophecy type situation, again, trying to prove a theory that is against you and in your head. For whatever reason, us Indian guys, we can get so insecure about race that we exacerbate the underlying racial issues to a broader landscape of reality. It's only due to that exacerbation itself, that the issue is there. Yet, it is unfounded and unrealistic, and not true. Hence, I believe it's an inner game problem. I have a hard time believing all of those Ukrainian girls rejected that member simply because they were racist. I think understanding the scenarios in which you felt rejected may help with reaching a more realistic conclusion rather than the easy, broad and generalized "low wage migrant" crisis, for example.

You are simply going to get more bangs than your average white guy with no game if you game even just a bit more including, fitness, style and social skill. It's a statistical fact that I have both experienced and seen. Of course this is only if "all else is equal" meaning you can't lose heart and make up scenarios based on projection of one situation or behavior to many women before you even approach or during an approach, in other words, inner game. The point it needs to be proven wrong to me rather than right. You see my "glass is half full" perspective?

As far as suggestions, I would recommend any exercises or effort spent working on your inner game would be helpful. Lifting helps but you need consistency. Seeing a therapist will also help immensely. I have done both and seen great results.

So let's really try to help you gents. Can you describe your style, fitness level and how you sound in more detail?

[Arado]

(03-31-2018 05:51 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I'll be the first to say this bro. I don't disagree with the portion of your post that is NOT quoted above. However, as you can tell, I did decide to ignore it because the problem lies within the portion of your post I quoted above. There's a reason for this and I promise it's nothing personal or against you. I just want to help.

That is, there are no specific ways to set yourself apart other than the obvious actions we already mentioned. You can get black and blue in the face thinking of "additional" ways. However, the girls that are racist, they won't give a damn about any of the additional effort, period. Nothing you do can win over a racist chick. So your concentration on winning over those that are racist is misplaced. They can't be won over. Let's just get this out of the way. Remember game for any guy, no matter his race, is to increase the likelihood of a bang from girls that already like you. It's not meant to make girls who despise your race turn and want to jump on your dick magically.

Now what we have left from this is the remaining girls you may "think" are racist because those few girls from their race are, appear racist, feel racist or you heard are racist. Let me tell you the honest truth: not all girls of a certain race are racist against brown dudes because some douchebags made us look bad or you simply heard bad news from said douchebags. Girls give second chances and some straight up have brown guy fetish. Period. However, you need to be present to win which means more approaches and more rejections. Instead, if you blame those rejections on your race theory, you will have a difficult time because you're in a self fulfilling prophecy type situation, again, trying to prove a theory that is against you and in your head. For whatever reason, us Indian guys, we can get so insecure about race that we exacerbate the underlying racial issues to a broader landscape of reality. It's only due to that exacerbation itself, that the issue is there. Yet, it is unfounded and unrealistic, and not true. Hence, I believe it's an inner game problem. I have a hard time believing all of those Ukrainian girls rejected that member simply because they were racist. I think understanding the scenarios in which you felt rejected may help with reaching a more realistic conclusion rather than the easy, broad and generalized "low wage migrant" crisis, for example.

You are simply going to get more bangs than your average white guy with no game if you game even just a bit more including, fitness, style and social skill. It's a statistical fact that I have both experienced and seen. Of course this is only if "all else is equal" meaning you can't lose heart and make up scenarios based on projection of one situation or behavior to many women before you even approach or during an approach, in other words, inner game. The point it needs to be proven wrong to me rather than right. You see my "glass is half full" perspective?

As far as suggestions, I would recommend any exercises or effort spent working on your inner game would be helpful. Lifting helps but you need consistency. Seeing a therapist will also help immensely. I have done both and seen great results.

So let's really try to help you gents. Can you describe your style, fitness level and how you sound in more detail?

I think you have fair points above in that concentrating on race doesn't yield any benefits, game isn't a magic pill, and that we still have to approach and maximize our fitness/style/game. However, I think there are a few points I was trying to make that you're missing.

In East Asia, white dudes had a better reception, but I was still able to out pull most of them by concentrating on social circle game, hosting house parties, fashion, and language skills. Night game had almost zero ROI for me because in loud nightclubs girls were very superficial and I couldn't display any value. I just wish someone told me that earlier so I wouldn't have wasted time.

Regarding Ukraine, I lived in Russia for a few years and speak fluent Russian, so I know what I'm talking about in terms of female reception. Gaming there was not easy compared to somewhere like Poland or the Baltics, where it was MUCH easier even though I don't speak Polish. However, in Russia, by focusing my efforts on social circle game and venues where they played Latin music, and by opening in English rather than Russian, I was able to get some traction. I just wish someone would have told me that earlier.

My post above isn't about "giving up," due to one's race. In some situations, Indian guys may be in a shitty location or have to deal with a demographic that's not as friendly. Instead of becoming a mass approach machine to find the few open minded girls, it's at least worth it to consider how one should tweak their game or concentrate their efforts. I don't think that's "giving up based on race theory," or looking for "magic game." It's simply treating the world and human nature as it is.

The reason why this thread exists in the first place is because we may need to target different locations or tweak our game a bit based on how Indians are perceived. If it was simply about "approach more, get your fitness/style/social skills in order" then we could have just said that and ended this thread.

[doc holliday]

In my experience, there's plenty of white chicks who will date Indian guys. Sure, not every white girl is a potential mate but so what? I think the biggest mistake that most Indian guys make is to focus almost obsessively on getting white girls and when they get rejected they think that it could be because they're Indian. If Indian guys want to date and get laid with lots of women, then that net has to be cast far and wide and the race of the girl has to be the last thing on your mind. Same thing with the race you belong to, most chicks don't consciously care to be honest. Some of the guys here have acknowledged that they kill it with black and latino girls and that has been my experience too, those girls seem to be highly attracted to me and other Indian dudes, yet the focus on this and other threads is about white girls.

Most guys that have large notch numbers have them because they go after what ever comes their way, hotties, not so hotties, whities, brownies, fatties, whatever. Now i'm much more of a quality vs quantity guy and as such, I cast a much narrower net but one criteria that I don't give a rats ass about is the race of the girl. That's the reason I asked about Indian girls in London even though Indian girls are probably my least favorite due to their shitty attitudes but British Indian girls tend not to be as cuntish as the ones living in North America from what I've observed. I dated a Sikh girl from London years ago and she was hot and fun.

Best thing Indian guys can do is to stop being preoccupied with their race, it's a total waste of time. Women reject men for a whole host of reasons but Indian guys always seem to want to blame it on their being Indian and carry around this weird complex. Just dumping that mindset will make your numbers and opportunities jump, no matter if your in Siberia and you're the only brown guy within the nearest 2000 miles.

[Cobra]

(03-31-2018 08:06 AM)Arado Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 05:51 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I'll be the first to say this bro. I don't disagree with the portion of your post that is NOT quoted above. However, as you can tell, I did decide to ignore it because the problem lies within the portion of your post I quoted above. There's a reason for this and I promise it's nothing personal or against you. I just want to help.

That is, there are no specific ways to set yourself apart other than the obvious actions we already mentioned. You can get black and blue in the face thinking of "additional" ways. However, the girls that are racist, they won't give a damn about any of the additional effort, period. Nothing you do can win over a racist chick. So your concentration on winning over those that are racist is misplaced. They can't be won over. Let's just get this out of the way. Remember game for any guy, no matter his race, is to increase the likelihood of a bang from girls that already like you. It's not meant to make girls who despise your race turn and want to jump on your dick magically.

Now what we have left from this is the remaining girls you may "think" are racist because those few girls from their race are, appear racist, feel racist or you heard are racist. Let me tell you the honest truth: not all girls of a certain race are racist against brown dudes because some douchebags made us look bad or you simply heard bad news from said douchebags. Girls give second chances and some straight up have brown guy fetish. Period. However, you need to be present to win which means more approaches and more rejections. Instead, if you blame those rejections on your race theory, you will have a difficult time because you're in a self fulfilling prophecy type situation, again, trying to prove a theory that is against you and in your head. For whatever reason, us Indian guys, we can get so insecure about race that we exacerbate the underlying racial issues to a broader landscape of reality. It's only due to that exacerbation itself, that the issue is there. Yet, it is unfounded and unrealistic, and not true. Hence, I believe it's an inner game problem. I have a hard time believing all of those Ukrainian girls rejected that member simply because they were racist. I think understanding the scenarios in which you felt rejected may help with reaching a more realistic conclusion rather than the easy, broad and generalized "low wage migrant" crisis, for example.

You are simply going to get more bangs than your average white guy with no game if you game even just a bit more including, fitness, style and social skill. It's a statistical fact that I have both experienced and seen. Of course this is only if "all else is equal" meaning you can't lose heart and make up scenarios based on projection of one situation or behavior to many women before you even approach or during an approach, in other words, inner game. The point it needs to be proven wrong to me rather than right. You see my "glass is half full" perspective?

As far as suggestions, I would recommend any exercises or effort spent working on your inner game would be helpful. Lifting helps but you need consistency. Seeing a therapist will also help immensely. I have done both and seen great results.

So let's really try to help you gents. Can you describe your style, fitness level and how you sound in more detail?

I think you have fair points above in that concentrating on race doesn't yield any benefits, game isn't a magic pill, and that we still have to approach and maximize our fitness/style/game. However, I think there are a few points I was trying to make that you're missing.

In East Asia, white dudes had a better reception, but I was still able to out pull most of them by concentrating on social circle game, hosting house parties, fashion, and language skills. Night game had almost zero ROI for me because in loud nightclubs girls were very superficial and I couldn't display any value. I just wish someone told me that earlier so I wouldn't have wasted time.

Regarding Ukraine, I lived in Russia for a few years and speak fluent Russian, so I know what I'm talking about in terms of female reception. Gaming there was not easy compared to somewhere like Poland or the Baltics, where it was MUCH easier even though I don't speak Polish. However, in Russia, by focusing my efforts on social circle game and venues where they played Latin music, and by opening in English rather than Russian, I was able to get some traction. I just wish someone would have told me that earlier.

My post above isn't about "giving up," due to one's race. In some situations, Indian guys may be in a shitty location or have to deal with a demographic that's not as friendly. Instead of becoming a mass approach machine to find the few open minded girls, it's at least worth it to consider how one should tweak their game or concentrate their efforts. I don't think that's "giving up based on race theory," or looking for "magic game." It's simply treating the world and human nature as it is.

The reason why this thread exists in the first place is because we may need to target different locations or tweak our game a bit based on how Indians are perceived. If it was simply about "approach more, get your fitness/style/social skills in order" then we could have just said that and ended this thread.

I don't disagree with you on all of this fully and based on the additional context you provided, see your point somewhat. That said, we still have a significant gap in our understanding, although potentially (and hopefully) not major gap. I don't think you misunderstand anything for the record and may not let something as trivial as race get in your way. However, from the wording and characterization of your post, it would be easy for another Indian guy to exacerbate the race factor to its maximum, rather than what I think it is which is that it's effect is nominal these days. I used to be that guy years ago, who thought for example that girls in the midwest would like me less than girls on the east coast USA etc. Since then, through many experiences, I have been able to prove that wrong on many levels. That's the reason for my post. The whole race factor is trivial enough for us to not concentrate exclusively and broadly on how many white girls and what countries are affected by it. Think about it, it truly is subjective in many ways.

(03-30-2018 11:11 PM)dknightbro Wrote:  

But the real question is...why are you worrying about that rejection/blowout in the 1st place? It was going to happen even if you've already maxed out your game!

Exactly!

I think we're all advocating "approach more, get your fitness/style/social skills in order." However, at that point when you don't see results, what do you do? Do you then acknowledge a game problem or race problem? I say, game problem. Race can't be fixed and let's for a second assume it's as trivial as height (which I think is true by the way). Then you fix your game correct? You even said yourself, you were able to approach more, adjust your method and then get results. In your example, speaking English instead of Russian worked in one scenario. What makes you think race had anything to do with this in the first place if this worked afterwards? If race were truly an issue, the same girls would have outright rejected you seeing your skin color. To be fair, I don't think there are many white guys that do well either in gaming Russian or Ukranian girls. Not an easy crowd period. If you look at the multiple threads on certain geographies, there are many factors that make it hard for any guy to game girls in one country versus the other. Those factors are universal and we have to be careful to not attribute the race factor to them instead, no matter how easy it is to do so. Easier said than done, I know but by the same token, let's call it what it is: an Inner game problem.

I also never said "give up," but rather push forward to learn more about yourself. Not sure what it is, but Polish girls appear to have a brown guy fetish. Some would outright prefer Indian guys over their own. It's kind of crazy.

I agree with you that the reason for this thread is to tweak our game, 100%. However, I really think that race is a miniscule and wholly subjective component of this, that also does not serve to affect broad populations of women of a certain variety because of their white skin color; that doesn't even make sense. Same as saying that tall Scandinavian women hate short guys because they're tall and the guys are short. Again, no way to know that to be the truth other than a BROAD subjective assumption extrapolated to all tall Scandinavian women. Also yet again, there are other factors at play there under no guy's control (Russia, Ukraine). I go back to the "being present to win" scenario. I have even been to Bangkok Thailand, a dark Indian dude. While some women were straight up pushing IRTs away, I was getting eyed and approached much more often because of how I present, probably even more than some of the white guys that were in T shirts and shorts. Similar reactions in Scandinavia, although at that time, I didn't act on it.

Either way, interesting discussion we should keep going.

[Cobra]

(03-31-2018 11:44 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

In my experience, there's plenty of white chicks who will date Indian guys. Sure, not every white girl is a potential mate but so what? I think the biggest mistake that most Indian guys make is to focus almost obsessively on getting white girls and when they get rejected they think that it could be because they're Indian. If Indian guys want to date and get laid with lots of women, then that net has to be cast far and wide and the race of the girl has to be the last thing on your mind. Same thing with the race you belong to, most chicks don't consciously care to be honest. Some of the guys here have acknowledged that they kill it with black and latino girls and that has been my experience too, those girls seem to be highly attracted to me and other Indian dudes, yet the focus on this and other threads is about white girls.

Most guys that have large notch numbers have them because they go after what ever comes their way, hotties, not so hotties, whities, brownies, fatties, whatever. Now i'm much more of a quality vs quantity guy and as such, I cast a much narrower net but one criteria that I don't give a rats ass about is the race of the girl. That's the reason I asked about Indian girls in London even though Indian girls are probably my least favorite due to their shitty attitudes but British Indian girls tend not to be as cuntish as the ones living in North America from what I've observed. I dated a Sikh girl from London years ago and she was hot and fun.

Best thing Indian guys can do is to stop being preoccupied with their race, it's a total waste of time. Women reject men for a whole host of reasons but Indian guys always seem to want to blame it on their being Indian and carry around this weird complex. Just dumping that mindset will make your numbers and opportunities jump, no matter if your in Siberia and you're the only brown guy within the nearest 2000 miles.

Nail on the head doc. That's the problem : pre-occupation with race. Solution: fix your Inner game just like every guy of any race needs to. Problem will be solved eventually.

[Genghis Khan]

My cousin lives in Moscow. He also married a local Russian girl, very stereotypical blonde with blue eyes. They have a young daughter and seem happy.

Arado, I don't deny your experiences in Russia/Ukraine. I'm just a bit surprised as it's completely the opposite of my cousin.

The best part is he's straight from India. Total fob. Not sure why there's a discrepancy between your experience and his. He's also not exactly the most social and outgoing guy. His wife was vegetarian (as is he), and I wonder if that's the key to getting Ukrainian/Russian women. I think there are some Russian women who are into Indian men, but I think you also have to play up that spiritual/guru/yoga/Hindu/Bollywood angle.

If you look Turkish/lighter/Muslim, might not work well (I have no idea). But I do know the Soviets used to watch a lot of Bollywood movies and Mithun Chakraborthy is particular was popular. That dude is dark af.

There's some semi-pervy Indian guru types who've run with Indian spirituality type of game. Osho being the most notably example. He quite surely banged many of his female followers.

I wonder if an Indian guy who knows about his own heritage and enough about Raja Yoga (the yoga most people think of in the West) could clean up in Russia and Ukraine if he went to yoga classes. Just a thought, no idea if it would actually work. But you'd definitely be around a higher percentage of women who may be interested your culture.

Very bluntly: I find this thing about Indian guys being insecure about their race to be a very American thing.

I didn't grow up in the US. Granted I also didn't care to date outside my race until a few years ago. Maybe that's why. Since I went after Indian girls, I was never insecure about my race. Why would I be, right? Not like Indian girls turn down Indian guys because of race.

Anyway, since I was never insecure about race and when I started going after girls of other races, I didn't have any expectations about women of other races and their perceptions of me (good or bad). I didn't expect or care if women of other races liked me. I just tried out of curiosity (and slight despair at my luck with Indian women). I was pleasantly surprised by my results.

Race has never been an insecurity for me. And knowing my cousin, it hasn't for him either.

Honestly, I didn't even realize Indian guys were insecure about their race until I read RVF. Even reading RVF today sometimes is weird. Stuff like: "I'm not like those short dark/short Gujarati Indian guys"

Ha, what the fuck?

Lol, I'll be very honest: if you've ever written something like that on RVF, you probably are insecure about your race and the perception your race has in other people's mind (at least the perception you think it has).

Any time anyone says: "I'm not like those other X" is when you know being X is something they're insecure about.

I'm dark, I'm 5ft6. I didn't realize either one of those two things was an issue until I read brown guys on RVF talk about it. And you know what, it hasn't really hurt me at all. At least considering the 5ft9 and 5ft10 white girls who were really into me. Funnily enough, I also don't downplay or hide that I'm Indian. One of my profile pics on Tinder is me doing some Indian dance. I've had pelnty of non-Indian girls be curious and super interested in that. In fact, both the 5ft9 and 5ft10 white girls opened me on Tinder with that.

I don't particularly care if a white girl is interested in me/if I fuck her. But then I talk to my Indian-American friends and they say shit like: "damn dude, you get with white girls, man you have the opposite problem of most Indian guys, who can get Indian girls but not white girls."

And all I can think is: lol, what the fuck? What's with this weird IRT obsession with white women brown dudes have in the US?

Definitely been an interesting reading experience.

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Not sure what it is, but Polish girls appear to have a brown guy fetish. Some would outright prefer Indian guys over their own. It's kind of crazy.

Ha, good to know. I'll mostly visit Poland next year. No idea, but maybe it's something to do with yoga/vegetarianism/etc. I think Zel said a lot of polish chicks are vegetarian.

One day I might get around to this, but I do feel that's angle we can play if done right, and done in sincerity. I've particularly become far more interested in Hinduism, yoga, ancient Indian mysticism etc. Not for girls, for personal reasons (again, sincerity). But hey, I've also found that white girls in the US really like that shit.

I will say, that in regards to inner game, I think I do have a deep-seated desire to marry my own kind. And with that comes the problem that when I interact with Indian girls, I look for marriage quality cues. I become a bit more beta, which might mess with my game. It may be why Indians are the one ethnicity in the US I haven't been able to fuck. Meanwhile every other race and even Indians outside of America, I don't give a fuck about. And my game with them is infinitely better as I genuinely don't give a fuck.

Other reason though could just be that Indian American girls are super uptight and/or I'm automatically put into beta category. Another possible reason: since I'm so "Indian", I don't stand out to them as all the other guys they interact with are like me. I don't have the same vegetarian/Hindu/dance edge that I do with white girls.

White girls: OMG, you speak 5 languages, that's amazing. I wish I knew a second language.

Indian girls: lol yeah, I speak 3 languages too.

Regardless of the reason, it's ironically the one group I struggle with, despite "logically" it should be the easiest for me based on strong social circles, similar background and mutual interests.

Ah oh well, can't win them all.

Anyway, just some random thoughts

[Genghis Khan]

(03-29-2018 12:52 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

LOL yeah it is a fairly common phenomenon. Especially girls that came from affluent Indian families where Daddy spoiled her. Maybe even got her a Mercedes Benz or BMW for her 16th birthday lol. Indians in this country have done very well economically. They are in a sense the new Jews. Look at how well represented Indians are in universities, the medical field & engineering. And now they are being promoted to high level positions including CEO roles. They are big in Wall Street as well. There are plenty of Indians with BIG money.

(03-29-2018 03:53 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

Most Indian women born in the west are really spoiled, just like JAPs. Total pain in the ass to date, high maintenance to the extreme and kind of sexually repressed. I can handle FOB Indian girls much better, they're not as screwed up by Western culture, at least when they haven't been here too long. I have a friend who's a surgeon, Indian guy from London, total baller, was dating this Indian girl a few years back and she was so high maintenance that even his lifestyle wasn't enough for her. She was such a greedy bitch (she was a dentist on top of it) and I wouldn't have lasted with her more than the two minutes that it would have taken me to bust a nut inside her. My friend was totally traumatized by her and I don't think he's dated another Indian chick since, just spoiled white bitches now.

Hilarious stuff. I'm slow on the uptake, so it took me a really long time to understand the dynamics with Indian-American girls. Now that I'm older, I'm appreciating what's going on.

I've met a bunch of these types of girls:
1. good-looking
2. dentist, doctor, pharmacist (six figure salary)
3. ages 28, 29, 32
4. and still single

Some of these girls (I'm on the East Coast, might be different elsewhere) have such inflated egos. The pharmacist broke up with her white boyfriend because he wasn't make six figures. Biological clock ticking away faster and faster.

All heading towards cat lady/dog mom land.

Indian parents in the US fucked up big time. They raised their daughters to be men. There are an exceptionally large percentage of them who are doctors, pharmacists, dentists. Like so, so, so fucking many of them.

They also all have travelled to Europe, love living in big cities, have nice clothes and cars. Woe the men who end up marrying them.

My friends always try to set me up with MDs. Probably because even with many Indian guys going to med school, there's still not enough Indian guys with doctorate-level degrees to satisfy their expectations. I politely pass nowadays, having wised up.

I don't know how it'll play out. A bunch of my friends dated and married women who will eventually out-earn them. That's going to be interesting to watch when she makes $50-100K more than him, she gets pregnant and drops out of the workforce, but expects him to cover her lifestyle.

[Genghis Khan]

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Mithun-Chak...-in-Russia

Quote:

Mithun Chakraborty came to become popular in Russia after landing in the lead role of the movie Disco Dancer. The movie became a huge success drawing more than 50 million viewers in Soviet Union.The movie still keeps inspiring viewers from generations after generations.

So clearly, you just got to be a disco dancer to get Russian women.



https://www.cinestaan.com/articles/2017/...ay-special

Quote:

Disco Dancer is said to have drawn more than 60 million viewers in the Soviet Union. The film reportedly grossed Rs72.4 crore in India and the Soviet Union. As Indians, it is always fascinating to see Indian stars being revered by foreigners, particularly in regions where Indian cinema has had limited penetration.

Disco Dancer, though, wasn’t an exception as locals in the Soviet Union became Mithun Chakraborty fans for life. His films were screened across the belt with Russian subtitles. Today, there are dedicated fora for Mithun Chakraborty fans in Russia. His songs from Disco Dancer have been performed by local artistes on reality shows and at nightclubs. 'Jimmy Jimmy' is an all-time hit in this respect,

I remember reading a thread by a black forum member. He was in Eastern Europe and the women thought he was into rap and hip-hop. He wasn't, but he played along with that stereotype.

Perhaps it's time Indian guys learn about their own heritage and parlay the cool aspects into game.

[Arado]

It looks like I'm clearly out of sync with others on this thread. I don't think I'm race-insecure - most of my notches come from demonstrating value, whether in terms of looks, personality, or social status, independent of race. However, there have been many times where girls WERE into me because of my race and where girls WEREN'T into me because of it. It goes both ways, and that's how the game goes. Is it really such a bad thing to try and find ways to short circuit the lizard brain for the girls who ordinarily wouldn't consider dating an Indian guys but change their mind? If you think it's a waste of time and effort, that's fine and I'm happy to move on to other topics.

(03-31-2018 11:44 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

Best thing Indian guys can do is to stop being preoccupied with their race, it's a total waste of time. Women reject men for a whole host of reasons but Indian guys always seem to want to blame it on their being Indian and carry around this weird complex. Just dumping that mindset will make your numbers and opportunities jump, no matter if your in Siberia and you're the only brown guy within the nearest 2000 miles.

Well...I'd argue that being the only brown guy in Siberia within 2000 miles will actually give someone an advantage because he wouldn't have any competition for the 5% of girls there open to dating brown guys...but anyway if you are saying "Don't ever take into account your race when picking a travel destination or deciding how to approach a girl who may not be into Indian guys," then I don't quite understand why we have this thread in the first place. It's unhealthy to be obsessed with race, but is it really so bad to think "this girl may not be into me on the first impression, but by approaching her in x manner then she'll be more open minded."

(03-31-2018 12:21 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

However, from the wording and characterization of your post, it would be easy for another Indian guy to exacerbate the race factor to its maximum, rather than what I think it is which is that it's effect is nominal these days. I used to be that guy years ago, who thought for example that girls in the midwest would like me less than girls on the east coast USA etc. Since then, through many experiences, I have been able to prove that wrong on many levels.

Yeah - this is exactly the opposite of what I intended. Not at all looking to give other Indian dudes an excuse to give up on gaming various girls or self improvement just because there are some girls out there that won't date them because of race.

Anyway, if you had good success with midwestern chicks, then I'd love to hear more details. Do you approach and game them in exactly the same way or do you subconsciously adjust your game with them? Have other Indian guys asked you for advice and what did you tell them? Were there certain venues where you noticed you did better than others?

(03-31-2018 12:21 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

You even said yourself, you were able to approach more, adjust your method and then get results. In your example, speaking English instead of Russian worked in one scenario. What makes you think race had anything to do with this in the first place if this worked afterwards? If race were truly an issue, the same girls would have outright rejected you seeing your skin color.
...
Easier said than done, I know but by the same token, let's call it what it is: an Inner game problem.

Russians have a lot of poor workers from Tajikistan working there, and they look pretty similar to Indian/Pakistani/Afghan. None of them speak English. Speaking in English immediately sets me apart from them.

In addition, I targeted venues that played Latino music, because it attracted girls that were more into brown guys. I noticed I did much better there than the typical clubs that my other white friends did well at. Does this mean that I'm inner game insecure about my race because I'm going to venues where girls are going to be receptive? Not really. It's simply being realistic.

(04-01-2018 03:11 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

My cousin lives in Moscow. He also married a local Russian girl, very stereotypical blonde with blue eyes. They have a young daughter and seem happy.

Arado, I don't deny your experiences in Russia/Ukraine. I'm just a bit surprised as it's completely the opposite of my cousin.

The best part is he's straight from India. Total fob. Not sure why there's a discrepancy between your experience and his. He's also not exactly the most social and outgoing guy. His wife was vegetarian (as is he), and I wonder if that's the key to getting Ukrainian/Russian women. I think there are some Russian women who are into Indian men, but I think you also have to play up that spiritual/guru/yoga/Hindu/Bollywood angle.

If you look Turkish/lighter/Muslim, might not work well (I have no idea). But I do know the Soviets used to watch a lot of Bollywood movies and Mithun Chakraborthy is particular was popular. That dude is dark af.

There's some semi-pervy Indian guru types who've run with Indian spirituality type of game. Osho being the most notably example. He quite surely banged many of his female followers.

I wonder if an Indian guy who knows about his own heritage and enough about Raja Yoga (the yoga most people think of in the West) could clean up in Russia and Ukraine if he went to yoga classes. Just a thought, no idea if it would actually work. But you'd definitely be around a higher percentage of women who may be interested your culture.

I don't know how valid a single data point is, but it's good to know your cousin found happiness there. I was commenting a ton on the Russia threads a couple years ago about the tough situation there for brown dudes and I didn't many good suggestions from brown guys. This would have been great to know when I was there and I eventually figured it out on my own when I went to some weird Hari Krishna thing and all the hotties were giving me IOIs. I don't know how long your cousin lived there and how his language skills were, social circle, professional circle, etc...that type of info would be good to know for a thread like this.

Point being, if someone is Indian and they are in a xenophobic place like Russia, then instead of targeting the places where girls go after expat guys, they should instead target more spiritual/Indian themed events or places where girls are open to brown dudes. Is that type of advice evidence of someone being race insecure? No, it's just common sense.

There are some countries that are on average more open to Indian guys and countries that are less open to Indian guys. For the latter half, maybe game has to be adjusted or the guy has to strategize to more effectively target the girls there that are open to them. Who knows, maybe I do have inner game issues, but playing the odds is just maximizing your time.

On average, I'd say that SE Asia, East Asia (minus Japan), and Russia are less friendly to brown dudes than white guys. If you think I'm being race insecure, then bust out the data sheets! 90+% of the data sheets on Asia on the forum are talking about whether white god factor is in play or not, something that isn't of use to us. In East Asia I met hundreds of white people working as models there, and not a single brown person. Do you really think that in such a place an Indian guy and a white guy would be treated exactly the same?

(04-01-2018 04:00 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

Very bluntly: I find this thing about Indian guys being insecure about their race to be a very American thing.

I wouldn't say it's necessarily an insecurity thing, but when an Indian-American goes abroad to a country where the people don't realize that many Americans are not white, and they have the following dialogue:

"so where are you from?"
"America, New York/Chicago/LA/etc"
"No, I don't think so. You look Indian."
"Well, I was (born in/grew up in) NYC/Chic/LA but my parents are Indian"
"Ah ok, so you're Indian then. Do you like Bollywood music and do you speak Indian"
"Well, I grew up in the U.S. so not really."
"Well, do you like Indian food?"
...and so on

A straight up Indian person would not have to deal with a weird situation like this, but I'd be shocked if I was the only Indian-American who had to deal with this type of situation constantly when in a country where people don't meet tons of Americans.

It could make gaming more tricky, and I usually did much better with girls who weren't fixated on race rather than the ones who didn't accept I was American and absolutely had to confirm that I was of Indian descent. I am curious to know how other Indian-American guys handled situations like these. Does this make me race insecure? Maybe, but I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask guys for advice on how they handled it to get the best outcome.

(04-01-2018 04:00 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

I remember reading a thread by a black forum member. He was in Eastern Europe and the women thought he was into rap and hip-hop. He wasn't, but he played along with that stereotype.

Perhaps it's time Indian guys learn about their own heritage and parlay the cool aspects into game.

That's my point right here.

This is really where the thread can add value outside of "I've never had problems dating white girls because I have my fitness/style/game on lock," which is what most of the posts on this thread seem to be so far.

Anyway, I hope I was able to make my point and I'll hold off on this topic until we move on to more concrete game and location suggestions. No desire to turn this into a race trolling thread.

[jselysianeagle]

Agree 100% with Arado. There's a tendency on this board to conflate any mention of race with an indication of insecurity, which is ultimately unhelpful. No one has unlimited amounts of time and money, and I for one would rather appreciate info on places (be they cities in another country or bars in my own city) where women are receptive to brown bros, and also, in the same vein, places to avoid for similar reasons. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking the question, "Where can I go where girls will be into guys with my look?". I value my time too much to waste it on places where my efforts won't be as fruitful.

Let's not censor each other so much that we start to cut out tremendously useful info. You don't see this sort of behavior in the Asian guy thread or the Black guy thread, and there's no benefit to it here either. Of course, tell the IRTs to fuck off, but I'm sure we can easily tell apart an IRT from someone more genuine like Arado.

Anyway, I also think Indian dudes pay an undue amount of attention to basic white women in the US, when there's any number of gorgeous Latinas/EE women who'd be happily DTF. LatAm gets ignored by too many Indian guys, but there's such a huge variety of looks there - from European looking gals in Argentina/souther Brazil/parts of Colombia to dark skinned beauties in the DR etc. You'd have to be a fool to ignore an area so rich in talent and so receptive to us!

[Genghis Khan]

^ curious to hear about Indian guys' experiences in Latin America. Planning to travel there as well. I'll be travelling extensively in the next few years, so will add whatever information I can.

Especially curious to know about Latin America: do we blend in? I.e. do we get confused for locals or can people tell we're Indian? Are they interested in Indian culture?

Whiteknightbro (korean-american) just dropped a datasheet on Colombia, wrote tons of women there had a thing about Korean culture/K-pop

@Arado, solid points. And I think I understand you better now. It's true, we can't just follow white guys' lead and expect to get the same results. Glad to hear you did end figuring out how to get with women in Russia. In terms of my cousin, yeah he speaks fluent Russian, he worked there full-time, mostly hung out with other fob Indians. I should ask him more about how he met his wife, but I believe she showed up to a Holi celebration the Indians were having in Moscow.

[jselysianeagle]

(04-01-2018 02:25 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

^ curious to hear about Indian guys' experiences in Latin America. Planning to travel there as well. I'll be travelling extensively in the next few years, so will add whatever information I can.

Especially curious to know about Latin America: do we blend in? I.e. do we get confused for locals or can people tell we're Indian? Are they interested in Indian culture?

Depending on where you go, you can blend in or stand out. Argentina is very European and there you'll definitely stand out if you're darker, which most Indians are. Mexico, DR - not so much, they have many people the same skin color as us. Colombia - depends. Bogota has more light skinned people, whereas Cali and Cartagena have many more dark skinned people.

I was well received in Mexico, DR and also in Colombia, averaging about 2 lays/week from various sources (nightgame/daygame/online). I will definitely be returning to these places although the next time I'll try to spend more time in the countryside, actually enjoying the country instead of focusing so much just on getting laid :-p

Spanish will be a huge help, so definitely try and brush up as much as you can before you go. I'm not conversational yet but I did get the basics down which helped. I'm sure I could've done even better if I was fluent, which I'm working on now.

[Chengiz88]

(04-01-2018 03:11 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

My cousin lives in Moscow. He also married a local Russian girl, very stereotypical blonde with blue eyes. They have a young daughter and seem happy.

Arado, I don't deny your experiences in Russia/Ukraine. I'm just a bit surprised as it's completely the opposite of my cousin.

The best part is he's straight from India. Total fob. Not sure why there's a discrepancy between your experience and his. He's also not exactly the most social and outgoing guy. His wife was vegetarian (as is he), and I wonder if that's the key to getting Ukrainian/Russian women. I think there are some Russian women who are into Indian men, but I think you also have to play up that spiritual/guru/yoga/Hindu/Bollywood angle.

@GK - I agree with you over here in London i knew an Indian guy while i was at college straight off the boat....long story short he met this stunning Russian chick from st petersburg (genuine 8, was bit on short side otherwise a 9) high cheekbones, blonde hair blue eyes. Any way this dude kept getting rejected by her initially but this mofo would not take no for an answer. She eventually gave in and he dated her for a few months, eventually his insecurities blew the whole thing up but thats another story.

[doc holliday]

(04-01-2018 09:33 AM)Arado Wrote:  

It looks like I'm clearly out of sync with others on this thread. I don't think I'm race-insecure - most of my notches come from demonstrating value, whether in terms of looks, personality, or social status, independent of race. However, there have been many times where girls WERE into me because of my race and where girls WEREN'T into me because of it. It goes both ways, and that's how the game goes. Is it really such a bad thing to try and find ways to short circuit the lizard brain for the girls who ordinarily wouldn't consider dating an Indian guys but change their mind? If you think it's a waste of time and effort, that's fine and I'm happy to move on to other topics.

(03-31-2018 11:44 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

Best thing Indian guys can do is to stop being preoccupied with their race, it's a total waste of time. Women reject men for a whole host of reasons but Indian guys always seem to want to blame it on their being Indian and carry around this weird complex. Just dumping that mindset will make your numbers and opportunities jump, no matter if your in Siberia and you're the only brown guy within the nearest 2000 miles.

Well...I'd argue that being the only brown guy in Siberia within 2000 miles will actually give someone an advantage because he wouldn't have any competition for the 5% of girls there open to dating brown guys...but anyway if you are saying "Don't ever take into account your race when picking a travel destination or deciding how to approach a girl who may not be into Indian guys," then I don't quite understand why we have this thread in the first place. It's unhealthy to be obsessed with race, but is it really so bad to think "this girl may not be into me on the first impression, but by approaching her in x manner then she'll be more open minded."

Arado, with all due respect, I'm not sure what you're looking for out of this thread. I re-read the thread including the OP and there are plenty of suggestions about parts of the world and areas of North America where Indian guys can go to game. Sure, a lot of the advice has been to fix oneself in all of the aspects mentioned and while it may seem redundant, it's what most guys including Indian guys need to focus on and I don't think it can be emphasized enough to be honest. From your anecdotes, it sounds like your doing ok but you're not satisfied because white guys have an easier time of it in places like SE Asia and Russia/Ukraine and you want to experience the same.

This may sound a bit sarcastic and i apologize for that, not trying to be that way but it seems like you want a data sheet of magical places that Indians can go to where all you have to do is step off the plane, whip it out and have 5 chicks lined up, ready to have a go with you. Sort of the way white guys view the Phils and Thailand. Maybe such a place exists, I don't know, maybe Cobra or GK know of this place and want to keep this Shangri La to themselves

In the real world, from my reading of this thread and based on my life experiences I would summarize like this:

North America: East coast: New England, Mid Atlantic etc- girls are a reserved and provincial making them a little harder nuts to crack but if you can crack them, they could make loyal girlfriends. Many of them are plain, vanilla and don't really have great style. Indians can do fine here, especially if you grew up in, say, New Jersey and get the east coast culture but will need to work at it. These girls really aren't my type, far too uptight for me.

NYC; I don't have much personal experience here but supposedly the closest thing to pussy paradise in terms of loose sluts, party girls living their "Sex in the City" dreams. Can't see Indian guys having too many issues here. Again, as long as your style, fitness, inner game, social skills etc are on point, should be like the Sunday brunch buffet at Veeraswamy's (there's that redundant theme again). I don't much like career girl sluts with liberal politics so I avoid this place. That's just me though.

South: Has a reputation for being the racist South but Southern girls are awesome, I love them. Love the accent, Southern culture in general and that hint of wildness that these girls have lurking beneath the surface just waiting to burst out on to some dark dick. Now if you're an uptight Indian from New Jersey you'll likely struggle because your east coast prejudices will prevent you from relating to these girls. Charleston, Nashville, Atlanta, Dallas, Savannah etc all fun places to go and find that blonde Southern belle.

Midwest: Girls are down to earth, friendly enough, easy to talk to. Many tend to be a bit overweight and could be considered to be a bit basic. Being familiar with things like the Big Ten, the Chicago Cubs, the Green Bay Packers and some basic bro culture will help here (I'd say being familiar with bro culture any where in NA will be of help). Not bad girls to date and they are friendly and will respond more positively to being opened than East coast chickies.

Miami: I'm not familiar with the rest of FL but this place is special to me. Some of the hottest Latino babes on the planet live here but beware, for these girls your game needs to be tip top. You can whine all you want about it but if you don't look good with style and fitness, game with fearless confidence and at least pretend you have some money then good luck to you. You can always game tourist chicks in South Beach and many of them are up for a good time with hot guys. Indian guys can do just fine here but you need to bring your A+ game, your party vibe and leave your complexes at home.

South West, Arizona etc- very underrated part of the US, chicks are friendly like the Midwest but are in better shape physically thanks to all the mountains, nature conducive for outdoors activity and warm weather putting pressure on chicks to look good there. Seems to me the races mix best in this part of the US since everyone is an expat from somewhere else. Not a ton of Indians living here but enough that you won't feel out of place. Had lots of fun here over the years both in Phoenix and Vegas with girls being very receptive to me. Recommended for cool Indian guys.

West Coast: I hate fake ass So Cal bitches and girls in Portland, SF and Seattle look scary SJW to me so I could care less if any of these broads are into Indians, the only thing that matters is that I ain't into them. For those of you who are though, I think Krimson said that Indians can do well here. Kaotic is the guy to talk to about So Cal, he's like a vacuum cleaner there.

Canada: Not a big fan of Canadian girls but there are so many Indians living in Canada that Indians do well up there, I've done my fair share up there over the years having grown up there. Toronto girls who are hard for everyone and French Canadian girls who generally stick to French Canadian guys will be challenges for sure. Speaking French will definitely help in Quebec. Luck would be in order in Toronto. Smaller cities, pretty easy for Indian guys.

As to the rest of the world, I would say Latin America would be a gold mine for Indian guys. If I was looking to snatch a chick up from a different part of the world, this is the place I would go, hands down. Plenty of the guys on this thread have stated that its a good place and based on my experiences with South and Central American girls in NA, I'd say that's spot on. Western European girls usually love dark dick but nowadays with the Muzzies fucking that place up, I'm guessing Western Europe would be a tougher place to game for Indians. I'm not wasting time trying to convince Helga that I'm not Muslim.

England/Ireland: Probably just need to get these girls drunk at the pub and its game on. Quality of these girls is all over the place though but again, like Canada, there are a ton of Indians in England and Indian guys from England seem to be way less uptight then their New Jersey/San Francisco counterparts so I'm guessing those guys are getting pussy galore. My ex wife is from Ireland for the record.

Poland: I would think yes based on the various Polish girls I've dated over the years but I have mixed feelings about Polish girls.

SE Asia, based on yours and other's experiences Arado, I'd say tough place for easy Hindu game here. I guess you could go for some of the white expat chicks who are sitting at home with their vibrators since they ain't getting any from the locals in that part of the world.

Russia, same thing, doable but based on your experiences, I'd say it would require a lot of work, some luck as well. Whatever, Russian girls are smoking hot but the ones I've encountered in the US all have that gold diggerish, show me the good life, mercenary vibe which does nothing for me other than perking up my BS meter.

So for me, I would say the Midwest, South and Southwest in the US, Latin America anywhere, Poland and maybe Western Europe would be hot spots for Indian men. Black girls anywhere are great for Indian men and should not be dismissed just because they're not white girls. However this is just my view of the world, it could be totally different for you and everyone else here. Again though, the idea that you would take your race into account when wondering whether to approach or not or travel somewhere is pointless. If you see a chick you're attracted to, how do you know what her prejudices are before you talk to her? As for travel, as long as it's not dangerous to go somewhere as an Indian, why would you not go somewhere you want to go to? All of this is nothing but overthinking and will act as the ultimate cockblock. Other than what's already been talked about, getting really familiar with the culture of the areas you want to pull from is critical and not talked about enough.

[Arado]

(04-02-2018 12:17 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

...

This is some good info on those locations - especially the suggestion to be knowledgeable on sports/bro culture for the typical white American chicks - that's something I can work on. I'm not going to push my point any further - some places/demographics are better for Indian guys and some places/demographics are worse and may require tweaking one's game or approach. I'm sure there are other Indian guys on the thread who can vouch for that and provide some more detailed advice on the best way to proceed if an Indian guy is stuck in a location that isn't as friendly as NYC or Poland. There are many reasons to travel outside of racking up notches, so this isn't going to determine my itinerary, but if game is the objective, there are some places I'd recommend over others.

There are also must be others on this thread that were born outside of India but get confused or rude reactions from people when asked "where are you from," would be curious to hear how they handle those situations.

On a lighter note, has anyone had success with Sikh Thug game?

[jordypip23]

(04-02-2018 09:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 12:17 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  

...

This is some good info on those locations - especially the suggestion to be knowledgeable on sports/bro culture for the typical white American chicks - that's something I can work on. I'm not going to push my point any further - some places/demographics are better for Indian guys and some places/demographics are worse and may require tweaking one's game or approach. I'm sure there are other Indian guys on the thread who can vouch for that and provide some more detailed advice on the best way to proceed if an Indian guy is stuck in a location that isn't as friendly as NYC or Poland. There are many reasons to travel outside of racking up notches, so this isn't going to determine my itinerary, but if game is the objective, there are some places I'd recommend over others.

There are also must be others on this thread that were born outside of India but get confused or rude reactions from people when asked "where are you from," would be curious to hear how they handle those situations.

On a lighter note, has anyone had success with Sikh Thug game?

Hahah Sikh Thug game sounds like something that would exist in parts of Queens (NY), California, Vancouver (Canada) & Toronto (Canada) heheh.

[Genghis Khan]

Sikh Thug Game, from my experience, works best if you're in the Bhangra circuit.

And even then, you need to:
a) be a captain of a team (status, demonstrating leadership) OR
b) be on a top team (status)

I have yet to meet a Bhangra team captain who didn't get a girlfriend from the team. Or basically fucked bitches during competition season. Well, there was one exception to the captain rule, but the dude was a complete dweeb. And he was more Sikh soyboy than Sikh thug - posted a picture on FB about why he needs feminism...

Top teams - these guys are basically all Sikh thugs. They also have a bunch of groupies that come with them to every competition.

I've hooked up with a groupie of an elite team once (didn't fuck though). That was weird too. I knew of her before I ever met her, word gets around and I'd heard she was a crazy bitch. One of my close friends hit on her a few years back and she called him a creep. So I already had a bunch of intel on her before I even said hi. Was slightly disappointed I didn't fuck her though.

(If you ever get deep into the Indian-American circles, it becomes a really small world tbh. I'm not entirely sure I'd recommend it.)

Also, a lot of the college team girls watch top team performances on YouTube, so if you can mention you were on First Class Bhangra, FAUJ, NYPD, SGPD, AEG, Elite, etc, it makes it easier.

@jordypip23, yeah almost all the top Bhangra teams are from Canada (Vancouver/Toronto) or NY/Boston.

[WalterBlack]

(04-02-2018 09:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

On a lighter note, has anyone had success with Sikh Thug game?

My mother's family is Sikh. I think these wannabe gangsters look like clowns - do you think a non-Indian woman would look twice at a guy in a turban? This look might work with Indian girls but I can't see it working with other women.

Most non-Indian pussies dry up when there's a turban around. None of my cousins wear a turban. The only time I would ever wear a turban would be on my wedding day.

[Phazlenut]

This Mithun Chakraborty thing is amazing, props to Temujin for clueing me in.

I wonder if 10 years from now some Korean players will come in from Busan or Suwon and clean up with American sloots with a Psy outfit.

[Genghis Khan]

(04-06-2018 04:02 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:29 AM)Arado Wrote:  

On a lighter note, has anyone had success with Sikh Thug game?

My mother's family is Sikh. I think these wannabe gangsters look like clowns - do you think a non-Indian woman would look twice at a guy in a turban? This look might work with Indian girls but I can't see it working with other women.

Most non-Indian pussies dry up when there's a turban around. None of my cousins wear a turban. The only time I would ever wear a turban would be on my wedding day.

Bingo! In my experience, it only works in the North American Bhangra circuit, And yes, the girls are 99% Indian. The white girls in the circuit will go for any brown guy, turban or not.

[True Balla]

I clean up in the South East of US. Primarily online game: Tinder, Bumble, etc.

Somebody asked about Latin America. I did very well in Peru and Colombia. Argentina I couldn't get much at all.

However, I think in terms of success, travels, etc. I'm probably out of their league and would say I 'settle' when going on dates with them. But then again, that's just how the dating market is, especially online. (Say im a 9, and only getting 6-8's).

[jordypip23]

(04-09-2018 12:32 AM)True Balla Wrote:  

I clean up in the South East of US. Primarily online game: Tinder, Bumble, etc.

Somebody asked about Latin America. I did very well in Peru and Colombia. Argentina I couldn't get much at all.

However, I think in terms of success, travels, etc. I'm probably out of their league and would say I 'settle' when going on dates with them. But then again, that's just how the dating market is, especially online. (Say im a 9, and only getting 6-8's).

When you refer to the Southeast, are you referring more to say, Florida ? (South Florida I'm more familiar with - Tampa / Orlando / Ft. Myers / Ft. Lauderdale / Miami), or perhaps Atlanta?

[kingviv]

(03-20-2018 01:51 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 12:36 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

I'd recommend Lebanon and Morocco, avoid Israel as it is racist as fuck.

Pretty good thread but that is BS.

As Indian guy who is well traveled I would rather go back to Israel again rather then any of the Middle Eastern or Arabs countries I have been too.

it really depends on the color of your skin and your accent. As "Indians" we have a broad range of both. For example, if you are light skinned with a British accent you are going to do well in most parts of the world including Israel.