[Enoch]

Donald Trump's incredible life has inspired me to make this thread.

Who do you see as a male role model? Link the most interesting profile.

My contribution: Silvio Berlusconi

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/...ises-again

[gework]

I've never liked the idea of role models, but there can be good influences.

Roy Keane:

Eric Cantona:

For me Trump has been the most influential, due to his ability to forge ahead against all odds and care little for what others think. And of all the men I admire they fit in that category. Others:

Nigel Farage
Morrissey
Peter and Christopher Hitchens

Maybe the most important for me was Alex Jones as he was the only source of unrepentant masculinity that I've had throughout my teens onwards. Without that I may very well have gone deep soy. I remember a broadcast of his probably 7 or so years ago when the push back against male feminisation and the current extreme male feminisation became so obvious, in which he, I think firs the first time, began his attack on the nellies and effeminate men. Something in relation to big, tough guys who like to work out, ride bikes with their shirts cut-off to the shoulder like, "Aaarrrrrrgggghhhhh!" - "I used to look at these guys and think they were idiots. But now I get it! You just don't want to be like these guys!" Where "these guys" were what we'd not call soy boys with their mismatching socks and "I'm so trendy."



I think that was the first time in my life I heard a counter to the latent line I'd been dripped all my life: men are inherently bad.

[debeguiled]

Yeah, role model is one of those pop psych terms that takes all the life out of a concept.

These dudes used to be called heroes.

When I was in high school in the late seventies, we were just on the cusp of the new feminized world view, and I had an old school basketball coach who made us fill out a survey with a bunch of questions, the most important being, "Who is your hero?"

He expected it to be astronauts, soldiers, athletes.

He was really psyched to read them, because the concept of the hero was important to him.

He was always skeptical about me because I wasn't jock material in his opinion, but I did well enough in tryouts to make the team.

He got to my answer to the hero question and read my answer.

(Carl Jung)

He asked who Jung was, and when I told him that he was a Swiss psychologist who pioneered the idea of archetypes as well as the human shadow, he stared at me for a second, closed his eyes and held his head in his hands.

It looked as if he was having an aneurysm on the spot. When he opened his eyes, seemed to have aged about ten years.

He shook it off and moved on to the player.

Later on, seeing "Full Metal Jacket" for the first time, I watched this scene and felt as if it could have been written by someone eavesdropping on my life.

We were so innocent at the time, thinking that we were advancing human knowledge and effectiveness by delving into the psyche and analyzing everything, and forgetting the more eternal values of being a man in the traditional sense.

I thought it was funny then, and it has taken all this time to realize that those old school dudes knew what they were talking about.

We need our heroes, even more than we need our clever theories and our "It's 2018!" attitudes.

(Or in my case: "It's 1978!")

Hope you young guys will be better at listening to your elders than I was at your age.

Got a hero?

[Atlanta Man]

My dad was pretty awesome, so was my grandfather. Big fan of Malcolm X too. also like Lance Armstrong.

[Aurini]

(02-28-2018 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Yeah, role model is one of those pop psych terms that takes all the life out of a concept.

These dudes used to be called heroes.

When I was in high school in the late seventies, we were just on the cusp of the new feminized world view, and I had an old school basketball coach who made us fill out a survey with a bunch of questions, the most important being, "Who is your hero?"

He expected it to be astronauts, soldiers, athletes.

He was really psyched to read them, because the concept of the hero was important to him.

He was always skeptical about me because I wasn't jock material in his opinion, but I did well enough in tryouts to make the team.

He got to my answer to the hero question and read my answer.

(Carl Jung)

He asked who Jung was, and when I told him that he was a Swiss psychologist who pioneered the idea of archetypes as well as the human shadow, he stared at me for a second, closed his eyes and held his head in his hands.

It looked as if he was having an aneurysm on the spot. When he opened his eyes, seemed to have aged about ten years.

He shook it off and moved on to the player.

Later on, seeing "Full Metal Jacket" for the first time, I watched this scene and felt as if it could have been written by someone eavesdropping on my life.

We were so innocent at the time, thinking that we were advancing human knowledge and effectiveness by delving into the psyche and analyzing everything, and forgetting the more eternal values of being a man in the traditional sense.

I thought it was funny then, and it has taken all this time to realize that those old school dudes knew what they were talking about.

We need our heroes, even more than we need our clever theories and our "It's 2018!" attitudes.

(Or in my case: "It's 1978!")

Hope you young guys will be better at listening to your elders than I was at your age.

Got a hero?

Oh, brother, I know exactly what you mean. I was an annoying little intellectual shit in my teens and twenties. Watching all of this left-wing crap metastasize all throughout society makes me realize how many benign tumours I had growing inside of me, and how lucky I am that none of them became cancerous.

The difficulty of being an intellectual is that even if you're looking for virile heroes (and Jung is certainly such a hero), the context of academia is so steeped in left-wing nonsense that you'll pick up a lot of poison with your protein.

This shows how important it is that we reclaim subversive things like "Geek Culture", and return it to it's proper place, the Alpha Male 1950s scientist, instead of Revenge of the Nerds soydom.

[Keepiticy2]

Highly respect Winston Churchhill, Hemmingway, JFK, Obama, for their Charisma. Teddy Roosevelt was just one hell of a man to me. Most Navy SEALs and SAS (pretty much most spec ops).

I have people I look up to for different reasons mainly as a motivator to do certain things.


And as childish and pathetic as it is, Bruce Wayne, James Bond, Don Draper are my main motivators

[Monty_Brogan]

There are so many great men to pick from, but hands down it's General Robert E Lee, IMHO. Nothing to do with slavery or any other BS that some people might think of when someone mentions his name. He's hands down one of the greatest Americans ever.

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U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower believed that Confederate General Robert E. Lee should be a Role Model for American youth and they should emulate his qualities.
Robert Edward Lee was born January 19, 1807 to Revolutionary War hero Henry “Light Horse Harry” Lee III and Anne Carter Lee at Stratford Hall in Westmoreland County Virginia. He attended the United States Military Academy at West Point where he graduated 2nd in the class of 1829 without a single demerit. Lee served in the U.S. Army for nearly 32 years. At the beginning of the War Between the States (Civil War) he was offered command of the U.S. Army by Abraham Lincoln. He knew that Lincoln’s invasion of the Southern States was unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, and criminal. He had to make a choice to either defend the Constitution or the Union. He made the correct decision to defend the Constitution. Robert E. Lee assumed command of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia on June 1,1862 and the command of all 3 Confederate Armies in early 1865. After the collapse of the nation Confederate States of America he told his soldiers “Go Home And Be Good Americans”. He accepted the position of President of Washington College in Lexington Virginia. At a time when he desperately needed money a Northern Insurance Company offered him $50,000 for the use of his name. He declined saying “my name and heritage is about all I have left and it is not for sale”. Robert Edward Lee died on October 12, 1870. No finer example of a Southern gentleman and leader exists whose positive impact was so great during and after the war. His superb character as a Christian gentleman stood out in his life as a man, husband, father, citizen, soldier, and a leader. These qualities greatly impressed many notable men. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill stated that “Lee was one of the noblest Americans that ever lived and that his noble presence and gentle kindly manner were sustained by Christian faith and an exalted character. U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt described General Robert E. Lee as “the very greatest of all the great captains that the English speaking peoples have brought forth”. War-era Georgia Senator Benjamin Harvey Hill eloquently expressed a lasting Lee tribute: “He possessed every virtue of other great commanders without their vices. He was a foe without hate; a friend without treachery; a victor without oppression, and a victim without murmuring. He was a public officer without vices; a private citizen without reproach; a Christian without hypocrisy and a man without guile. He was a Caesar without his ambition; Frederick without his tyranny; Napoleon without his selfishness; and Washington without his reward. He was obedient to authority as a servant, and loyal in authority as a true King. He was gentle as a woman in life; modest and pure as a virgin in thought; watchful as a Roman Vital in duty; submissive to law as Socrates; and grand in battle as Achilles. On Aug.1,1960 Dr. Leon Scott of New York wrote U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower a letter stating ” at the Republican Convention you said that you have the pictures of 4 great Americans on your office wall and one is Robert E. Lee. Please explain why you hold him in such high esteem. Eisenhower’s response, written on White House letterhead on August 9, 1960 reads as follows:

Dear Dr. Scott, Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our nation. He believed in the Constitutional validity of the Confederate cause. From deep conviction I simply say this “A nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed to the degree that present day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, we in our own time of danger in a divided world will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained”. Such are the reasons I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall. Sincerely, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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ENGLAND’S LORD ACTON LETTER TO ROBERT E. LEE
That great English intellect of the 19th Century, Lord Acton wrote to Robert E. Lee that he mourned what was lost at Richmond more than he rejoiced in what was won at Waterloo (defeat of Napoleon). Acton knew that the death of the Confederacy was the death of the Aristotelian concept of Republican government to be replaced by the Hobbsian view of the ever larger more powerful central state. Professor Livingston gives a great lecture on that. It’s available through the Stephen D. Lee Institute. And it’s true, the states of the North which supported the Union committed virtual suicide by doing so, eventually becoming mere counties in a huge central state without any true power and subject to destruction at the whim of Washington. Once sovereign states are now little more than glorified administrative districts submissive and answerable to a central imperial power in Washington D.C.

Quote:

“I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.”
— General Robert E. Lee, letter to Lord Action, 15 December 1866

[Enoch]

^ That last Robert E Lee quote is about as accurate a foreshadowing of today's Fed Gov apparatus that you could give.

We also do need a better word than role model. Marvel movies ruined the word hero though...

[Sombro]

If possible, I recommend genealogy research.
Every family has an interesting story (for better or worse).

It make one appreciate the hardships one's forefathers went through… all that history leading up to where you are right this minute.

I personally read stories I could not see happening today.

• A boy went to sea at age 10 -- making first mate by his 20's.
• Guys who dropped out of school and lied about their age to go to war.
• A guy who sat on a cramped boat for two months to cross the ocean, only to die a month after the voyage.
• Dude getting chased through the woods by Indians.
• A 17-year-old who was in the Boston Tea Party and also fought along side Washington. (He also married a girl with the surname Lincoln -- you can guess where that branch of the tree went).

Anyway, this is not meant as a brag.
My grandfather did this research pre-internet when one had to travel to look at city/court/church records.
Today you can do the same right from your computer.

Every family has stories out there and so many are worth remembering.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Andrew Jackson for being the last president to successfully battle the globalists and win


Booker T Washington

For overcoming adversity and using his talents to the max.

St. Francis of Assisi

For forsaking his wealth and reaching immense spiritual heights - got tens of thousands of followers without once picking up a sword and telling them to convert or else - pure charisma and inner strength.

Napoleon Bonaparte

Military genius. But also not many people aware of it - he was an even better administrator and reformer than a general. Napoleonic law is still valid in many European countries. He too was an enemy of the globalists, but ultimately lost.

Charles Martel

Were it not for him, then we would be sitting in tents and speaking Arabic or Turkish in some medieval shithole.

Jellaludin Rumi

Persian saint on the level of St. Francis. No wonder that Muslims tried to kill him.

[Glaucon]

George S. Patton



Erwin Rommel (no he was not a Nazi)

[Turnus]

I think another important question to ask ourselves is: who are you being a role model to? What young men in your life are you impacting?

[Beirut]

(02-28-2018 12:24 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Yeah, role model is one of those pop psych terms that takes all the life out of a concept.

These dudes used to be called heroes.

When I was in high school in the late seventies, we were just on the cusp of the new feminized world view, and I had an old school basketball coach who made us fill out a survey with a bunch of questions, the most important being, "Who is your hero?"

He expected it to be astronauts, soldiers, athletes.

He was really psyched to read them, because the concept of the hero was important to him.

He was always skeptical about me because I wasn't jock material in his opinion, but I did well enough in tryouts to make the team.

He got to my answer to the hero question and read my answer.

(Carl Jung)

He asked who Jung was, and when I told him that he was a Swiss psychologist who pioneered the idea of archetypes as well as the human shadow, he stared at me for a second, closed his eyes and held his head in his hands.

It looked as if he was having an aneurysm on the spot. When he opened his eyes, seemed to have aged about ten years.

He shook it off and moved on to the player.

Later on, seeing "Full Metal Jacket" for the first time, I watched this scene and felt as if it could have been written by someone eavesdropping on my life.

We were so innocent at the time, thinking that we were advancing human knowledge and effectiveness by delving into the psyche and analyzing everything, and forgetting the more eternal values of being a man in the traditional sense.

I thought it was funny then, and it has taken all this time to realize that those old school dudes knew what they were talking about.

We need our heroes, even more than we need our clever theories and our "It's 2018!" attitudes.

(Or in my case: "It's 1978!")

Hope you young guys will be better at listening to your elders than I was at your age.

Got a hero?

I totally disagree with your post. Jung was a great answer.

[debeguiled]

I am going to go with a dark horse. How about Henry Suso, 14th century German mystic?



Part of the reason I like him is that of all of the great mystics of the church, I could relate to him the most.

Though he followed through with the path God laid out for him, he spent most of the time in his autobiography, "Life of the Servant," probably one of the first European autobiographies, complaining about how hard it was.

He kept saying, I knew it was going to be hard, but not this hard. Part of what makes this book so honest compared to other lives of the saints is that he never planned for it to be written or published at all.

Essentially, the words in this book were spoken to a nun who pestered him to tell her of his life as a means to spiritual growth. He agreed with the caveat that she would destroy the manuscript and never show it to anyone, a promise which, as a woman, she felt under no obligation to keep, though it worked out for the rest of us.



He started out as a self mortifier, until he was instructed by God to quit it, and then God sent him on a quest in which he feared for his life often and was the object of endless slander and false accusation which, to his surprise, hurt worse than physical pain.

Quote:

If you were to give me ordinary suffering that would not cause me dishonor, I would bear it cheerfully. But now you are cutting me to the quick with the ruin of my reputation in this affair. It is the worst thing that could happen to me.

Beyond this, he was compelled to bear all this stoically, in silence, his suffering invisible to all but himself and God. (Until later when the little nun wormed it out of him.)

He complained about this too.

Quote:

One fact caused him sore distress. He had no one to whom he could express his troubles, no one who was searching the same way for the same thing he was called to. And so he went about, an unloved stranger, and with great self discipline, he stayed away.

Now, all of this was in the context of actually following God's commands for his life, but he didn't have to like it.

Quote:

God of justice, you have utterly overburdened my weak nature with bitter suffering and have deeply wounded my heart with the great dishonor and scorn i have received.

I particularly enjoyed the plaintive:

Quote:

If ever I sang happily, that is now over with.

Now ultimately, ultimately, he came to accept the plan for his life, and yet even for all that, he couldn't help but comment on the oddness of suffering as a necessary component to spiritual growth.

Quote:

Gentle Lord, that suffering causes men so much distress and yet at the same time should make them so beautiful spiritually, this is certainly a strange dispensation of God.

I love a good hero as much as anyone else, though for me it is someone like the excitable Suso, not the stoic, who I can relate to.

[RatInTheWoods]

This might seem strange, but the fictional character "The Russian" in the musical 'Chess'.

At the end of the show, he is playing the last game of chess to win everything, but all the odds are stacked against him.

One by one the people in his life come out, lean over his shoulder and sing words of derision, discouragement, hate, persuasion, guilt and manipulation.
The people, and culture he thought loved and supported him, laid bear in a moment of pure red pill.

He was under pressure to lose the match and quit, but he plays on to win.

Here is his frame:

They all think they see a man Who doesn't know
Which move to make Which way to go
Whose private life Caused his decline
Wrecked his grand design

Some are vicious, some are fools
And others blind To see in me
One of their kind

Anyone can be A husband, lover
Sooner them than me When they discover
Their domestic bliss is Shelter for their failing

Nothing could be worse
Than self-denial
Having to rehearse
The endless trial
Of a partner's rather sad
Demands prevailing

[Waqqle]

Rod Serling, the creator of the Twilight Zone. His life story reads like the plot of an action movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Serling

[The Beast1]

Kona

If more of us lived like this esteemed Jewish Polynesian, we'd all be happier and have free beer from Walmart.