[MMX2010]

@GoingTheDistance,

I believe that we're in a very important Culture War, during which every event and conversation is part of that Culture War. There is no longer Independent Thought, nor Independent Individuals because the Culture War encompasses everyone.

Having said that, the moment you admitted that "There's no objective standard of what constitutes race", the bare minimum thing you could've said is, "and, therefore, any race-based conclusions regarding mass shootings are fucking bullshit." This isn't a lie. This isn't something that requires months of research. It's just a simple true statement that prevents your Liberal Enemies from gaining traction.

Having said that, every credible discussion of race and mass shootings must follow at least ten hours of research on the website narrative collapse.com. That site asserts that mass shootings are covered so unfairly by the liberal media that your impressions of which race mostly commits these shootings is skewed.

In one sentence: while telling you "Fuck You", might have been against Forum Rules, you were told that because you were behaving irresponsibility during the Culture War.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Again - I did not use the fuck-you terms towards anyone particular here unless a forum member is shaping and forming the entire Western media - then yes - those words are on you.

[nomadbrah]

(02-15-2018 04:30 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

I went with whites because the shooting that happened today was another white person

You don't know that.

Most likely he isn't fully white.

Elliott Rodgers was half Asian, half Jew, they called him white.

Try to control your white race trolling until you have the facts. In addition, where are the facts?

If you want to present your thesis that whites have a problem with mass shootings, how about you begin by showing that this is actually the case.

[Repo]

Apparently he was adopted, and his adopted dad died 10 years ago and his adopted mom died 3 months ago. So Cruz name was not from his real parents. Anyway, rough.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/nikola...index.html

[RexImperator]

There must be a "reverse one drop rule" for shootings that get a lot of media coverage.

[Beyond Borders]

I should note that some of you guys make some great points about the demographics, and I probably shouldn't have dove right in to participate with GoingTheDistance's race premise without waiting for the facts myself. Especially since I've already read before that the white men massacrist stereotype is flawed if you factor in population figures. I should have thought that through and it was an irresponsible post on my part for that reason.

[Gmac]

Many, as usual, are way too focused on race and choose to ignore the underlying issues and root causes. And I'm talking psychological, not guns.

[RexImperator]

Many of these mass shooters were on psychotropics.

[heavy]

I visited the forum for my morning RVF update.

I stayed to read more wisdom from Leonard D Neubache.



(only quoting his post because it was so good)

(02-14-2018 07:22 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

My experience heading to the tail end of my 30s is that no matter how skilled my dialogue, no matter how close I was to a person as a friend, no matter how much evidence I brought to bear, no leftist I spoke to was ever persuaded to abandon their puerile belief systems.

It's now my belief that leftism is simply an ego-driven manifestation of teenage self-worship that some sufferers fail to recover from for decades or perhaps their entire lives.

If I wanted to I could credit myself with having "converted" a number of people but the truth of the matter is that everyone grows out of this phase in their life at their own speed.

Another more pertinent truth is that the second you start discussing politics with someone of an adversarial point of view you are by definition adopting a weak frame. You are appealing to them to believe you, which makes you the person saying "please", which in turn creates the sense that they are the powerful one, not you. This is the crippled mentality that has allowed women to dominate the political spectrum, the antithesis of which is the Trumpian titanium frame of being a winner, leaving losers behind and dragging female herd members along in record numbers because a shepherd doesn't negotiate with sheep, he just leads the way.

Leaders lead and the weak are left to negotiate. You can be smart, but if you're not wise enough to the ways of idiots then you will spend your time casting pearls before swine, providing statistics and references for hours while the other person thinks "why is this guy so desperate for my approval, he must be a loser, so do I want to throw in with a loser?".

The most powerful political results I've ever gotten from fence sitters is by calling leftists weak, pathetic, soft, needy, unmanly, gutless, delusional, jealous or any synonym of those concepts. I would feel worse about doing it if it weren't true.

10 years of watching conservative political failure and more personally wasting time trying to preach the sense of gun rights in this nation has taught me this the hard way. Negotiation is for intellectual and emotional equals. The rest you must lead with frame.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(02-15-2018 08:40 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Many of these mass shooters were on psychotropics.

...and since Big Pharma is a major source of ad revenue for online and offline media, they either won't report that or will downplay it.


Here is an example: The company GlaxoSmithKline, produces the antidepressant Wellbutrin. But they also make a bunch of other products, like toothpaste and denture creams.

If a shooter was on Wellbutrin (let's say), that's not going to be in news stories because if the company stops advertising, the media outlets would also lose revenue for toothpaste ads and denture cream ads.

So instead we'll get mindless babble about Trump's so-called "atmosphere of hate."

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-15-2018 09:04 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 08:40 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Many of these mass shooters were on psychotropics.

...and since Big Pharma is a major source of ad revenue for online and offline media, they either won't report that or will downplay it.


Here is an example: The company GlaxoSmithKline, produces the antidepressant Wellbutrin. But they also make a bunch of other products, like toothpaste and denture creams.

If a shooter was on Wellbutrin (let's say), that's not going to be in news stories because if the company stops advertising, the media outlets would also lose revenue for toothpaste ads and denture cream ads.

So instead we'll get mindless babble about Trump's so-called "atmosphere of hate."

Quote:

If You Have These Genes, Antidepressant Drugs Can Trigger Impulsive Violence

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic...avior.aspx

I even have a remote family member who used tamer psychotropics and she reported strange violent rages despite being a calm shy girl normally. She is off all the meds since it's not so difficult to replace with alternative means.

You will find that 100% of those psychos were on psychotropic meds of some sort.

http://kellybroganmd.com/the-violence-in...edication/

Quote:

The Violence-Inducing Effects of Psychiatric Medication

http://kellybroganmd.com/the-violence-in...edication/

There is a ton of evidence to back it up, but these kind of incidences are actually beneficial to the elite, so why should they stop it? They would only put an end to it if the psychos start to go nuts in high-end restaurants or events in Washington or New York.

No private school would have admitted that moron - and if he had started threatening the school, then there would be even more repercussions.

[MMX2010]

Zelcorpion Wrote:

No private school would have admitted that moron - and if he had started threatening the school, then there would be even more repercussions.

That's a really good one-liner against Liberals. Thank you.


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[url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/964110212885106689][/url]

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Edit again:

The following paragraph is from a CNN article. No link provided, because it's CNN.

CNN article Wrote:

The suspected shooter bought the firearm in the past year and had passed the background check to make the purchase, according to a US official briefed on the investigation.

[Hypno]

Zero Hedge is reporting that the FBI was warned about this guy but failed to prevent it. Apparrently they were too busy working as Hillary's propoganda department.

Realize that the government agents with guns are not there to protect you - they are there to protect the government.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-15-2018 10:38 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Zero Hedge is reporting that the FBI was warned about this guy but failed to prevent it. Apparrently they were too busy working as Hillary's propoganda department.

Realize that the government agents with guns are not there to protect you - they are there to protect the government.

And why should they? They can only win when a clear psychopath runs amok:

1) More serfs and useless eaters die.

2) More opportunity to push anti-gun agenda.

3) More mayhem during Trump administration and anti-White bias (they can push that always)

The only instances where I think that they are partly intercepting is when clear Muslim terrorists announce a school shooting on Instagram. Such a thing must be prevented because it would stop or impact the relocation immigration bonanza. And I am sure that there are a ton of intercepts and silent convictions on that front.

But school shootings by a Spaniard-looking teenager? More is better.

[Brian Shima]

(02-14-2018 06:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The full name is Nicolas de Jesus Cruz - sounds very American.

He is a dreamer.

You sure do act like you know a lot about America for someone who's not from here.

[Repo]

He was adopted, as I posted the source earlier.

I have yet to locate any details of his birth parents.

[porscheguy]

(02-15-2018 07:46 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Elliott Rodgers was half Asian, half Jew, they called him white.

I don’t care what they call him, but I call his sister a 8/9.

[Repo]

Anyway, I'm going to bet that the fact that his adopted dad died when he was 6 and his adopted mom was about 50 when she adopted him had a huge impact on his life, I doubt she could keep him in check and out of trouble.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

From the CNN story:

"There were threatening comments under videos on YouTube and other sites. They include:

"I whana shoot people with my AR-15"
"I wanna die Fighting killing s**t ton of people"
"I am going to kill law enforcement one day they go after the good people.""

This is what he wrote on social media, but the feminist censors of YouTube and Facebook paid no mind. They were too busy suspending harmless political commentators like Lauren Southern, Paul Joseph Watson, Ben Shapiro, and Milo.

These feminist censors are at least partially responsible for the 17 deaths. Why? Because in ANY OTHER REALM OF LIFE, this guy would have been reported.

Try making threats like that anywhere from your local library to this very forum and see what happens.

The feminist censors are partially responsible for 17 deaths because they made politically correct speech their priority and ignored real threats.

[Elster]

(02-15-2018 11:36 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

They should have this picture in the meditation/prayer rooms of monasteries to dissuade the monks from even thinking about the temptations of the flesh...

[C-Note]

Radio comm during the incident:

Some interesting stuff. Sounds like Cruz may have been disarmed by a parent who was in the school. Another broadcast around the 8-9 minutes mark one of the police says that he had "spoken with Cruz' dad who said he was at the McDonalds near the school."

[Cr33pin]

Jesus............. People off all races on my Facebook (specially the comment sections) are GOING OFF on a tangent about how he was taken into custody alive. I imagine he was taken in to custody alive cause he snuck out with the other kids and didn't have any firearms on him when he was apprehended. But instead its comment after comment about "White privilege"

[TigOlBitties]

Pretty messed up to see kids using Snapchat while gunshots are going off in the background. Attention whoring has no limits in today's society.

[kaotic]

(02-15-2018 08:18 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

Many, as usual, are way too focused on race and choose to ignore the underlying issues and root causes. And I'm talking psychological, not guns.

(02-15-2018 08:40 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Many of these mass shooters were on psychotropics.

(02-15-2018 09:04 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

...and since Big Pharma is a major source of ad revenue for online and offline media, they either won't report that or will downplay it.


Here is an example: The company GlaxoSmithKline, produces the antidepressant Wellbutrin. But they also make a bunch of other products, like toothpaste and denture creams.

If a shooter was on Wellbutrin (let's say), that's not going to be in news stories because if the company stops advertising, the media outlets would also lose revenue for toothpaste ads and denture cream ads.

So instead we'll get mindless babble about Trump's so-called "atmosphere of hate."

thank you

We're finally fucking getting somewhere on this conversation.

Mental health and pharmaceutical drugs is a HUGE elephant in the room that noone talks about.

Everyone immediately jumps on the gun control/gun free zone/good guys with guns conversation.


This is how I see we should rate/fix our problems:


Nuclear Family> Mental Health>Medication>Screening/Background Checks>Access To Guns



Nuclear Family:

Cultural Marxism is absolutely obliterating the family core, we already know this. We know that feminism has destroyed mother hood, and the divorce rate is sky high. There is an ongoing battle for our culture and our children - and I'm not sure where this will end up. You'll notice the majority of these school shooters had a fucked up child hood, fatherless, or motherless.


Mental Health:

There is still stigma associated with getting help with mental health. Now some might say we're too sensitive with certain things like bullying, faux PTSD, "depression", etc. I'm inclined to agree for the most part.

However, we still need to do more screen for kids who actually have serious issues, time and time again, you look at these mass shooters and they all for the mast part were diagnosed with some kind of mental illness.

Another major part of mental health is kids getting bullied in school and finally snapping, apart of me says kids should fight back against bullies (to a certain extent), and bullies should be put in check by the school (but we all know that's bullshit).

And for the Catch 22 - let's say we do increase mental health checks for people - what happens then? You guessed it, MORE prescriptions and drugs, possibly MORE psychotic people, and MORE side effects. Which leads to our next conversation.


Big Pharma & Medication:

I get the sense alot of us on here are against meds and big pharma.

As far as meds go, Docs and Psychs throws pills at EVERY little issue a patient talks about. We have a HUGE opiod crisis that probably hasn't even hit it's peak yet. The worst thing about this, opiods don't see class or caste, it's affecting the rich, the poor, the white collar AND blue collar.

What's even worse is that women are at a higher odds to takes prescription pills, especially for mental health. These are our childrens mothers, daughters, and sisters that are taking these pills. What's worse yet is that single mothers are at higher odds of taking these medications.

From what I understand, the current Trump administration is taking aim at doctors who give away prescriptions or give refills to people using lame excuse such as "losing" their pills.

Now onto Big Pharma - we all know these guys are the BIGGEST drug cartel in the world - but they do it legally thanks to congress and special interests and lobbyists padding the pockets of said law makers on the hill.

This is one of the biggest DISSERVICES to Americans in modern times. Big Pharma does not give a shit about the American public - they only give a shit about profits, and how much their stock is worth.

You see their ads - a pill for every little thing in your life. I mean for fucks sake they have a pill for help relieve the opiod pills that keep you constipated. If that doesn't scream insanity, I don't know what does.

Trump has mentioned that he was going to regulate big pharma, pricing, and take down our opiod epidemic, but I honestly don't think this can be done in one administration.


Screening/Background Checks:

Now we have plenty of gun owners here so what I say may vary from state to state.

You have your standards Firearms Safety Certificate which you received after a pretty easy and stupid test which almost everyone passes and maybe misses on.

We have a 10 day waiting period or files and lowers here.

They do a standard FBI and DOJ background check, how deep this goes I'm not sure.

I think we do need to add a psych evaluation of someone who is going to purchase a gun.

The kid who shot up this school had SO MANY red fucking flags to where he probably shouldn't be able to get a gun.

Look, as a gun nut myself, I KNOW the right to bear arms is a RIGHT , but after losing my best friend at Route 91, I've come to question this.

There has to be SOMETHING we can do to screen psychotic people from having guns.

Also, people on psychotropic drugs should be screened VERY carefully before even getting the chance to acquire guns, perhaps a review of their mental health case with their doctors.

Also another thing, there's so many dumbasses that don't practice gun safety, and only want to look good on Instagram.

There should be MANDATORY gun safety/gun training courses for every person who purchases long guns or hand guns, non-negotiable.

While owning a gun is a right, it's also a PRIVILEGE THAT SHOULD BE RESPECTED. Perhaps maybe even qualification classes like LEO's and the Military have.

LEO's should allow more qualified people to have access to CCW's, I know quite a few people who carry without one because they're worried about where they go. Normal citizens shouldn't live in fear or have to break the law to defend themselves.

One thing that I know is a major issues "domestic violence". And the false charges that come with it, in our state, a woman can accuse a man of violence and say he has guns, and have those taken away WITHOUT trial.

This is a dangerous precedent that needs to be fixed as well.


Access to Guns:

This is talked about above, who can get access to guns, how people handle those accessed guns, and who else can access them.

Time and time again we hear about kids getting guns from their parents or they get an unsecured weapon. Along with access to a bunch of ammunition.

Mandatory safe's perhaps or a secured lock on the trigger, of fingerprint lock.

My state of California has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the US - but they're hilariously shrugged off by most gun enthusiasts here and are laughable, especially when you can get ammo/mags across state lines in NV and AZ.

CA is making criminals out of average citizens who want to defend themselves or just have some fun on the range.




I've been thinking through this for quite some time, especially since the Las Vegas Shooting where I was supposed to be with my best friend.

These are just some thoughts I've been mulling over and actually been talking about on Facebook in conversations with people.



But like I said - I think the way I prioritized the issues and how we need to deal with them is a pretty fair view.

As always I'm open to other ideas or alternate solutions.

[Hypno]

(02-15-2018 11:36 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

From the CNN story:

"There were threatening comments under videos on YouTube and other sites. They include:

"I whana shoot people with my AR-15"
"I wanna die Fighting killing s**t ton of people"
"I am going to kill law enforcement one day they go after the good people.""

This is what he wrote on social media, but the feminist censors of YouTube and Facebook paid no mind. They were too busy suspending harmless political commentators like Lauren Southern, Paul Joseph Watson, Ben Shapiro, and Milo.

These feminist censors are at least partially responsible for the 17 deaths. Why? Because in ANY OTHER REALM OF LIFE, this guy would have been reported.

He actually was reported by a viewer of those comments on YouTube, not by YouTube. FBI showed up, took a screen shot, then went back to looking for a Trump-Russia conneciton.