[Mr. Bigglesworth]

(02-16-2018 08:13 PM)Keepiticy2 Wrote:  

For Alot of guys its more of a pride thing. A lot of guys don't want hookers or sluts because they want to feel like the accomplished getting that girl....Now if that guy just wants sex then fine a slut is fine but believe it or not, many guys under 25 want relationships WAAAY more than women. many guys from what I heard don't want to just sleep around and will die for a girlfriend....So these guys slut shame.

This is because these guys(who are the vast majority of guys) have no game. So when they get some pussy they latch onto it for dear life because they don't know when they're every gona get some again.

From my experience it's girls who slut shame way more than dudes. Most dudes would never think of insulting a girl directly or indirectly for the fear of them no getting pussy from said girl or her friends.

If you've got game, are an attractive and manly man, and can lay some pipe then you will have bitches begging you to be in a relationship. Also at that point those girls will put up with any shit you do too. Whether that means you get to bang other girls while she stays loyal or any demeaning sexual acts you want to do with her.

[HagansAvenue]

I hear you OP and I respect your perspective... it's the best time in the history of the world for casual sex and you're tired of hearing these dudes want all this "trad"-type shit. At the same time, sluts have standards and the game isn't necessarily easy.

Two things:

1. The "slut shaming" isn't going to change shit. I'm getting close to 40 and it blows my fucking mind what the 18-24 female demographic is getting into. That's not going to change until parents stay together. So don't stress about people on the forum "slut shaming," you'll still be able to get yours.

2. A lot of the skills that get you laid with women can also get you paid. I'm thinking of persuasion and sales, etc. I could have written your post word-for-word 15-years ago if "slut shaming" was more of a thing back then, but if you read one line of this post, read this:

FOCUS ON MAKING MONEY ALONG WITH BANGING SLOOTS.

Again, it's harder than a motherfucker to play catch-up financially when you're older--while it isn't everything--it's a lot... It's good to have $$$... the game changes a bit as you age.

Keep banging. Wrap up. But also focus on $$$.

[Robert High Hawk]

(02-13-2018 11:17 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

There is a common misconception about sluts that girls who fuck 20 until age 20, and 100 until age 30 - are somehow fucking men indiscriminately. They are not banging the neckbeard or the Big Bang Theory nerd - they are still pursuing the same men that all the other women do who have 1-3 notch lifetime notch-counts. If there were more sluts in the world, then stable marriages would be even less rare and the men at the top would get even more sex - the top 1-5% at college would have to organize orgies to run through them while the bottom 80% would get even less sex. Unfettering of the sexual market results in a return of the cavemen-times and not in a fre-love-everyone-gets-some utopia.

This is exactly on point. In fact, it demonstrates some of the solipsistic thinking of OP in his post.

OP has personally benefitted greatly from sluts, as mentioned in his post and escapades. In m opinion he is not having any difficulty pulling, nor will in the future. He is already in the top 15%

Part of his argument is that by having having more open sluttery (or less slut shaming), his struggling friends would have an easier time pulling.

As you mention in this post Zel, that is the exact opposite of what would happen. Women would feel even more open to shamelessly pursue the top men, and would feel even more content just being a side piece for the top Dawg. OP perhaps knows on some level he is in this category of beneficiaries.

It actually reminds me of why so many rich people support socially and politically degenerate causes: It widens the moat to their own status and privilege .

OP had good intentions and showed deference and respect with his post. I think people should not come down do hard on him. However we must be honest that large scale sluttery greatly imbalances society for the worse. Many of us benefit from that imbalance, but we should not ignore the consequences on our less fortunate brothers.


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[Keepiticy2]

From my experience, forming a relationship with girls around 18-24 (honestly way older than that) is the LAST THING you want to do. Snachat made cheating and being a slut soooo much easier, (seems every girl has a streak with at least 10-20 people most of which are guys they probably send nudes to) Instagram creates a whole platform of guys of all degrees of attractiveness to be messaged. i can go on and on but the simple premise is even the top 20% of guys in one town or school might be completely destroyed for the top 5% of another town etc.....girls have a much easier time getting with celebs, with athletes etc etc


to break it down I believe 80% of women are simply narcissistic children that lack control who want to have "naughty" fun without being shamed. The benefit of this is men get laid easier but the downside to this is more and more men are getting red pilled and staying away from women romantically (which leads to bitter and uncontrollable women). As of now, I don't see a largescale negative that's actually believable.

Basically, the best advice i can give any man is to learn to use women and never try to form a relationship with them, bitter and cold BUT true

and learn not to be angry with women, sex is fun for them also. Plus with a large amount of "female sexual power" in the media, Porn, lack of self-discipline, and large increase of estrogen everywhere (the last one might not be true) it's hard to fault them for wanting to be sluts. A woman no matter who she is or what she is will ALWAYS find a willing guy no matter her past.

[the1element]

Nick Krauser's Q&A video on his youtube channel goes deep into his views on girls that are sluts and give away sex quickly. Probably the most insight I've ever come across about this dynamic.

Start at 35:46.

[Dragan]

I'm in favor of slut shaming because the sexual marketplace is zero sum. It benefits men to do it, and men as a group, because it creates more loyal women, and leads to more chaste women. Feminism has a been a boon for women, and moved the goalposts, so to speak, for things that were required out of women.

[EndsExpect]

(02-16-2018 09:04 PM)HagansAvenue Wrote:  

I hear you OP and I respect your perspective... it's the best time in the history of the world for casual sex and you're tired of hearing these dudes want all this "trad"-type shit. At the same time, sluts have standards and the game isn't necessarily easy.
2. A lot of the skills that get you laid with women can also get you paid. I'm thinking of persuasion and sales, etc. I could have written your post word-for-word 15-years ago if "slut shaming" was more of a thing back then, but if you read one line of this post, read this:

This is correct. I work in sales and many of the skills translate directly.

They teach a lot of crap in sales training, but one of my biggest leaps in sales what when I started applying Frame to my sales situations. You would be shocked at how frame affects sales!

Also... as you age the idea of a "trad" wife begins to appeal to you more and more because you want a family. Of course if you fucked up your career and you need a working woman to help pay your bills... then "trad" doesn't seem all that nice.

(02-17-2018 04:42 PM)Keepiticy2 Wrote:  

From my experience, forming a relationship with girls around 18-24 (honestly way older than that) is the LAST THING you want to do. Snachat made cheating and being a slut soooo much easier
to break it down I believe 80% of women are simply narcissistic children that lack control who want to have "naughty" fun without being shamed.
and learn not to be angry with women, sex is fun for them also. Plus with a large amount of "female sexual power" in the media, Porn, lack of self-discipline, and large increase of estrogen everywhere (the last one might not be true) it's hard to fault them for wanting to be sluts. A woman no matter who she is or what she is will ALWAYS find a willing guy no matter her past.

Technology didn't create sluts or slutty behavior. It's always been there. The social acceptability has changed a LOT. Back in the day a woman's reputation was everything.

Women have always craved the ability to do what they want with no consequences. One of the reasons women tend to make terrible leaders or even managers is because they hate responsibility. As a manager myself... I've noticed female employees will go to insane lengths to absolve themselves of responsibility.

[Keepiticy2]

(02-18-2018 02:17 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

I'm in favor of slut shaming because the sexual marketplace is zero sum. It benefits men to do it, and men as a group, because it creates more loyal women, and leads to more chaste women. Feminism has a been a boon for women, and moved the goalposts, so to speak, for things that were required out of women.

I agree but ever since I came into contact with this post I've learned (both through this site and through personal experiences) that women simply WANT to be sluts.

The boat has sailed on that one, the only hope is for the media to NOT corrupt the youth of today (which judging from cartoons and music nowadays seems to be hopeless)

Slut shaming will only create more sluts, women are like rebellious children. They will do the opposite of what is right just to hold their independence and get attention. Being a slut is the only TRUE power they have. I know plenty of sluts who know what they're doing is wrong but they continue to do it because its fun and "empowering" not realizing that their marketplace value decreases with every body added.

the ONLY value women (mainly western women) have is their sexual energy, and even that is as worthless as a penny. Good girls (or NAWALT's/ Unicorns) are extremely valuable and kept on a strong leash.

A PERFECT example is J-boo's (jameis winston NFL Quarterback for the buccaneers) girlfriend. We all knew each other since elementary school and she was always a good, loyal Gorgeous and very feminine girls (even with her being a 5 star athlete). He keeps her on a very strong and strict leash and showers her with gifts and attention. As stupid as he may be, he values and loves her.

[Keepiticy2]

(02-18-2018 03:21 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Technology didn't create sluts or slutty behavior. It's always been there. The social acceptability has changed a LOT. Back in the day a woman's reputation was everything.

Women have always craved the ability to do what they want with no consequences. One of the reasons women tend to make terrible leaders or even managers is because they hate responsibility. As a manager myself... I've noticed female employees will go to insane lengths to absolve themselves of responsibility.

I didn't mean technology made them, technology made it MUCH easier to be one. kinda like the tinder example. guys used to have to work hard to get girls now they can just swipe and hope. Girls used to have to work to keep their slutty ways secret. now they can do it with ease