[Kahler]

(02-13-2018 12:23 AM)True Balla Wrote:  

I've been mentioning Cryptocurrency a lot on my dates...how would you guys rate it? Obviously its on the nerdy side, but I feel like talking about 'Bitcoin' is now on the super smart/rich as fuck side

I would say it's rather bad - girls don't care about money, they care about things that can be bought with money. Talking about btc if you don't look like someone who has cash to spend won't get you nowhere.
And about smarts: they usually don't care about it also, and everything technical is shit topic to talk with girls. For example, I am a PhD student in STEM field. I can tell that to a girl and probably get a "woooow, you must be so smart", but heaven forbid me trying to explain something about my research - instant rapport breaker.
Of course there can be exceptions to this rules, but they are exceptions and you should know them when you see them.

[HankMoody]

(02-13-2018 12:23 AM)True Balla Wrote:  

I've been mentioning Cryptocurrency a lot on my dates...how would you guys rate it? Obviously its on the nerdy side, but I feel like talking about 'Bitcoin' is now on the super smart/rich as fuck side

It's too "weird" a subject, especially for first dates. It also generates zero attraction. It's like talking about stocks or the exchange rate. It will bore them to death. Chances are she's talking to her girlfriends and saying "I met this guy last night, and all he was talking about was cryptocurrency... it was so weird."

Women work almost entirely off emotion.

The key with the first few dates is to get them to talk about themselves almost the entire time.

"Where are you from?" "How did you like it?" "What's the best vacation you ever took?" (this one can be a loaded question, because it might have been with an ex). "What's your favorite beach?" "What's the best place you've ever been to?" "What's the best restaurant you've ever eaten at?" "Have you ever been to [Steak House]?"

Really basic stuff to get and keep them talking.

[Jetset]

(02-13-2018 09:04 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 12:23 AM)True Balla Wrote:  

I've been mentioning Cryptocurrency a lot on my dates...how would you guys rate it? Obviously its on the nerdy side, but I feel like talking about 'Bitcoin' is now on the super smart/rich as fuck side

It's too "weird" a subject, especially for first dates. It also generates zero attraction. It's like talking about stocks or the exchange right. It will bore them to death. Chances are she's talking to her girlfriends and saying "I met this guy last night, and all he was talking about was cryptocurrency... it was so weird."

Women work almost entirely off emotion.

The key with the first few dates is to get them to talk about themselves almost the entire time.

Exactly right.

"super smart/rich as fuck" is a "show, don't tell" thing. She doesn't even need to know how smart or how rich. Let her fill in the Fantasy Man blanks.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

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guns (every woman I've taken to the range I ended up banging without fail)

Had to chuckle at that, because that is the perfect date location of mine too.

Video Games are of course something that many men do, but you are right that this is turn-off. Some women have admitted to have masturbated while her boyfriend was playing his Playstation in front of them.

Women simply are not into this despite the claims by the media and feminists.

There are hobbies that men should do just on their own or with female friends. I would add this to the turn-off list:



Some hobbies are interesting only to men - there is nothing wrong with them unless they emasculate the man by their very nature.

[HedoRick]

Interesting post, Hank. I made my own way and own a fly fishing guide service. I would wager to say that this sport is the biggest sausage fest around. I've managed to get some girls out with me fishing, but doubtful that they wanted to do it other than to spend time with me. Like you said though, this kind of hobby is not a turn off for girls. If I was a neckbeard playing x box every day, my life would probably look a little different.

I am also a member of a fly fishing club, we have one girl that comes to meetings. She's maybe a 6, and she works all the old dudes over for a free drift boat trip down the river. Usually that kind of fly fishing trip costs 300 dollars per day. When they get to the take out, she hops off the boat and goes out with some guy on tinder. And this girl is on tinder all the time. We call her the guide whore, and I've swiped left. She teases those thirsty old dudes just long enough to make then think they have a chance. She's been on 25 boats so far.

[FenyoLuc]

I have to go a bit off road.. Why the hell do you guys think that karate does not contain sparring? Have you heard about kyokushin? There are different types of karate, which means some of them is built around fighting.

[the1element]

(02-13-2018 11:23 AM)HedoRick Wrote:  

Interesting post, Hank. I made my own way and own a fly fishing guide service. I would wager to say that this sport is the biggest sausage fest around. I've managed to get some girls out with me fishing, but doubtful that they wanted to do it other than to spend time with me. Like you said though, this kind of hobby is not a turn off for girls. If I was a neckbeard playing x box every day, my life would probably look a little different.

I am also a member of a fly fishing club, we have one girl that comes to meetings. She's maybe a 6, and she works all the old dudes over for a free drift boat trip down the river. Usually that kind of fly fishing trip costs 300 dollars per day. When they get to the take out, she hops off the boat and goes out with some guy on tinder. And this girl is on tinder all the time. We call her the guide whore, and I've swiped left. She teases those thirsty old dudes just long enough to make then think they have a chance. She's been on 25 boats so far.

Fly fishing is a tough one because unless someone really gets it, they don't see the art to it.

My dad and his wife (quite good looking for her age 60) fish all the time, before she met my dad she never camped or did anything but now she loves camping and fishing (both fly and spin fishing).

Fly fishing (fishing in general) can be really boring if nothing is biting especially if they are new. It's a very intricate thing and most girls don't have the patience for it.

Now on a similar note, I bet fly tying would be really attractive to a girl. The amount of precision, focus and creativity that it requires. I could see it being a turn on but not as something you talk about on a first date.

The Guide whore reminds me of April Vokey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIfHHKBTSgI

To add: I think railroads is unattractive because of the typical guy this hobby attracts. Plus, a lot of weirdos in movies and films seem to be into railroads. I'm thinking right now about one of the murderers from Dexter.

[HedoRick]

April Vokey is a firm WB. The guide whore in my club is mediocre in appearance on all fronts.

My dream is to convert an attractive girl into becoming a fan of the sport. The nice thing about the trout fishing in my area is that the fish are always biting. I've never had a slow day. The river I guide on is ranked as the 4th best brown trout river in the world.

[Jetset]

(02-13-2018 11:12 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

There are hobbies that men should do just on their own or with female friends. I would add this to the turn-off list:

Bullshit. That was, by far, the most alpha moment in the movie 'Gladiator'.

[the1element]

(02-13-2018 03:13 PM)HedoRick Wrote:  

April Vokey is a firm WB. The guide whore in my club is mediocre in appearance on all fronts.

My dream is to convert an attractive girl into becoming a fan of the sport. The nice thing about the trout fishing in my area is that the fish are always biting. I've never had a slow day. The river I guide on is ranked as the 4th best brown trout river in the world.

WB on the side of the bank.

Delaware River, CatSkills?

My dad almost took a guide job there.

And yea, my dad says he loves that his wife can spend hours on a stream and not get bored. She's just as excited after 7 hours as when she first got there.

[HedoRick]

No I'm on a river in the southeast. Would rather not say the name as I am an upstart and my competitors are hungry to squash my chances.

That's awesome about your parents. Wish I could get a girl enthusiastic about fly fishing as a long term thing. The search continues....

[HankMoody]

(02-13-2018 11:23 AM)HedoRick Wrote:  

Interesting post, Hank. I made my own way and own a fly fishing guide service. I would wager to say that this sport is the biggest sausage fest around. I've managed to get some girls out with me fishing, but doubtful that they wanted to do it other than to spend time with me. Like you said though, this kind of hobby is not a turn off for girls. If I was a neckbeard playing x box every day, my life would probably look a little different.

I am also a member of a fly fishing club, we have one girl that comes to meetings. She's maybe a 6, and she works all the old dudes over for a free drift boat trip down the river. Usually that kind of fly fishing trip costs 300 dollars per day. When they get to the take out, she hops off the boat and goes out with some guy on tinder. And this girl is on tinder all the time. We call her the guide whore, and I've swiped left. She teases those thirsty old dudes just long enough to make then think they have a chance. She's been on 25 boats so far.

Fly fishing is an awesome hobby. My best friend growing up owns a fly fishing business. If you love doing it, by all means...

I take girls fishing or crabbing sometimes; even better when you're on a boat. Some of them love it, some of them don't realize how "gross" it can be. (i.e. the bait, pulling the hook out of the fish's mouth, etc.)

Fishing is definitely a masculine hobby. I've found that even if a woman doesn't like to fish with me, she thinks it's sexy that I know how to catch and fillet them.

Sometimes I'll go on a fishing expedition with my male friends, and when I get home, I'll make a big night of cooking for everyone.

Women respect men who do masculine things either by themselves or with a group of other males.

[Sleek2b]

What about dancing?
Any dance where you lead and are being sexual, such as pretty much any latin dancing.

I have doubt about solo dance such as hip hop which would probably appeal to specific niche

[IntrovertSigma]

(02-13-2018 11:12 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

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guns (every woman I've taken to the range I ended up banging without fail)

There are hobbies that men should do just on their own or with female friends. I would add this to the turn-off list:



Some hobbies are interesting only to men - there is nothing wrong with them unless they emasculate the man by their very nature.

Funnily enough the singer Rod Stewart's hobby is model trains and has been since he was a kid.

I case you don't know he's a singer who's height of fame was during the 60's and he is famous for dating and marrying younger women.

A good example of how you can have a nerdy hobby as long as you have a cool life.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Rod Stewart could have 100% nerdy hobbies and pastimes and he would get laid easily enough.

Model trains is a fun hobby appealing mostly to men. I would not even call it even low-testosterone like watching Brazilian soap operas (you should reconsider if that is your hobby honestly). But Hank's statement is just stating the truth that it lowers your value as a man. If your value is high enough of course, then it won't matter much.

[HankMoody]

(02-13-2018 04:52 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

What about dancing?
Any dance where you lead and are being sexual, such as pretty much any latin dancing.

I have doubt about solo dance such as hip hop which would probably appeal to specific niche

Women are absolutely attracted to men who can dance.

[the1element]

(02-13-2018 04:09 PM)HedoRick Wrote:  

No I'm on a river in the southeast. Would rather not say the name as I am an upstart and my competitors are hungry to squash my chances.

That's awesome about your parents. Wish I could get a girl enthusiastic about fly fishing as a long term thing. The search continues....

No worries man, if you're ever in Southern Ontario and want to do some fly fishing hit me up. The Grand River is good fishing (catch and release + no barbs on hooks I think) and the adjacent city is full of hot college girls.

[Georges89]

I'm by no means an authority, but in my recent dating experience, I realised it does pay to hold a somewhat masculine frame.

By that I mean, at the very least, keep it positive. Don't complain about your life at all, because I think that can seriously lead to a chick thinking you're a loser. In my experience, I met this girl recently, and I must have been complaining without evening realising. Maybe sharing my challenges more than anything, but in her eyes I came across as negative and ultimately not confident enough.

It was pretty much a watershed moment for me. Beforehand I had just gone on dates, some worked, some didn't. Although I never had a strategy for how to present myself. I always bought into that 'be open' vibe. I realised this particular girl probably saw herself as having a high SMV, and her mind, I wasn't portraying the lifestyle or the attitude she wanted. And you know what, I can't argue with that.

Anyway, since than, I realised I need to make some modifications on my most recent date. At the very least, holding a positive frame. I talk up my career a bit without going over the top, try and display some enthusiasm, and likewise, talk up my sports and hobbies a bit and keep it positive. As soon as you start sharing your difficulties in a sort of stream of consciousness style, see it as over. I learnt that the hard way, and to be honest, I'm grateful as that's often the best way to learn. I guess this stuff is in theory quite self explanatory, but not always easy to put into action on a date, unless you have a wake-up call, like I did.

It's also things like, instead of telling her I still live at home with my brother, I tell her I live with my brother, and I don't tell her that I really want to move out of home. I just tell her that I'm planning to move to a different part of the city in a couple of months. So I'm just changing the angle a little bit, so what I say doesn't come across as insecure, but more grounded and confident in myself.

I had this mini Epiphany, that this whole time, I was going around using this sort of language where I was seeking validation for my lifestyle. The way I described things, was like I was never completely owning what I was doing, but instead would be seeking their validation without even fully realising it. Stuff like saying, I am doing this, but I'm not sure, or I like that, but I'm not sure about that. It sounds crazy but it had become this habit of speaking that displayed low self confidence and a yearning to be validated by that other person.

Instead, the new language I want to use is showing a self confidence in the way I live my life. I do this, I do that. I like that, I don't like that. Without the insecure tag of, but I'm not totally sure etc, and without the habit of feeling I have to verbally justify myself after making any kind of statement, like adding, 'but I'll see how it goes', or 'I'm only doing it because of X' or 'I'm not sure if I'll continue'. That sort of thing.

Now I'm trying to say, 'I've started X, its awesome. I really enjoy x part, this part was also really fun'. Immediately the statement becomes more enjoyable. You can relate to the excitement of the hobby, and appreciate the sense of fun that person is having. The listener is then going to be bouncing of that statement, instead of being on a downer listening to your insecure statement about 'I started X, it's fun, but I'm not sure about it, because of X.' Totally different ballgame!

I'm not totally there yet, and I'll always be learning. But it seems I learnt a good lesson in recent weeks.

Thinking about it all, the obvious thing is that the more fun and positive your actual life is, the more that will come across. But in the meantime, you need to change your perspective about your own life to a more fun and positive one to give the right vibe, even if your hobbies and lifestyle is unchanged, you have to change up your story about yourself to a much more positive, confident one.

[jamaicabound]

Here's my take on hobbies, do stuff that you enjoy doing and are passionate about. So many people just kind of aimlessly drift through life, don't really have any hobbies or interests, just kind of go through the motions.

Honestly it doesn't matter if you like to play Dungeons and Dragons or if your into BJJ, if you have an interest in something and are passionate about it people will respect it, women and men.

I see way too much of this stuff going on where people get into hobbies because they want to be associated with the image behind it. I see so many people buy motorcycles and then carry their fucking helmet around everywhere with them because they want everyone to see that they ride a motorcycle. I see so many motorcycles with like 200 miles on them selling at a 40% loss because of the people who have done this.

What's the point in spending money, time and effort on a hobby you don't enjoy just so you can say on your OKCupid profile that you ride a bike or practice BJJ or whatever else.

If you try to like hobbies you don't like you'll attract people who actually do like those hobbies and you'll spend all your time doing something you fucking hate. If you don't like hiking and the outdoors and act like you do, guess what, your going to attract women who like hiking and the outdoors and your goign to be spending your evenigns and weekends camping and hiking, something you don't even like to do.

The main thing is have some interest or some passion, really doesn't matter what the fuck the activity is but be passionate about something and get good at something. People are naturally attracted to people who have something going on.

I remember some years back I met a girl off either Craigslist or Okcupid or POF don't recall which one but really hot chick, really cool girl. Turns out she was like a ranked chess master one of the best chess players in the country and she had her own business teaching chess to elementary school kids where schools would pay her to come in and teach chess to the students as some kind of lesson plan kinda deal. I don't think most people typically think of chess as a "cool" hobby, nor do most people probably expect a hot chick to be a chess master but she was. We wound up smoking a few bowls and playing a couple games of chess before hooking up. I guess my point is you never know what other people are going to be into so just do you and do what you enjoy doing. Even if a chick isn't super into said activity she will probably respect and admire that you have your own life and your own thigns going on

One last comment that's a bit off topic, in terms of crypto quit fucking talking about crypto on dates. Most women could give two shits about it and those who do are going to be wondering how much money you have in your bank account and what you can do for them. Don't get me wrong I love Bitcoin and Crypto as well and am very involved and passionate about the space, but I don't talk about my Vanguard index funds on a date so carrying on with that I don't fucking ramble about Bitcoin and the current state of Segwit adoption either.

[SteezeySteve]

Do things you dont like and push through. If you dont like a sport maybe you're being a pussy and not pushing yourself. If you dont like reading maybe You're a Dumbass and its easier to go watch tv instead.

Combat sports suck when you are doing basics amd getting your ass kicked but that's 80% of the gig. Drilling and getting your ass kicked by those better than you.

Surfing isn't fun when you just get pounded by mother nature,stung by jelly fish,are sketched out about the sharks at that one rocky spot,and catch 0 waves.

Gymnastics isnt enjoyable when you are just doing basic moves to strengthen a specific tendon or teach the body strength in a specific position. You keep going because of the rewards long term.

I've never played chess or poker but im sure its not fun losing but you keep going and get better anyways.

I disagree with recognizing video games and that type of stuff as valid hobbies. Sure its enjoyable but you dont get any skills or ability out of it long term. I used to play video games a lot but long term you dont get anything out of them. They aren't rewarding long term.

[jamaicabound]

(03-12-2018 10:13 AM)SteezeySteve Wrote:  

Do things you dont like and push through. If you dont like a sport maybe you're being a pussy and not pushing yourself. If you dont like reading maybe You're a Dumbass and its easier to go watch tv instead.

Combat sports suck when you are doing basics amd getting your ass kicked but that's 80% of the gig. Drilling and getting your ass kicked by those better than you.

Surfing isn't fun when you just get pounded by mother nature,stung by jelly fish,are sketched out about the sharks at that one rocky spot,and catch 0 waves.

Gymnastics isnt enjoyable when you are just doing basic moves to strengthen a specific tendon or teach the body strength in a specific position. You keep going because of the rewards long term.

I've never played chess or poker but im sure its not fun losing but you keep going and get better anyways.

I disagree with recognizing video games and that type of stuff as valid hobbies. Sure its enjoyable but you dont get any skills or ability out of it long term. I used to play video games a lot but long term you dont get anything out of them. They aren't rewarding long term.

You bring up an interesting point. It's easier to meander through life or sit in front of the TV than it is to get out there and experiment with hobbies and trying new things so to some extent I think we do have to get outside of our comfort zones and push ourselves to do things we may not initially like.

That said, we do naturally have things were interested in and passionate about and there's some people out there who will just never enjoy surfing, BJJ, reading, chess, etc and I think in a sense it's silly to spend your time and effort doing something your not going to enjoy.

While I'm not personally into video games, it is an interest to a lot of people and even wierder to me is the swarms of people willing to pay money to sit and watch other people play video games, blows my mind but there's no denying it's a thing. There's kids making six figures playing video games. I'm sure some of these video game kids think kicking a ball around is stupid the same way we may think their hobby is stupid and a waste of time.

I actually think it's pretty cool when people have a hobby they are passionate about and don't really give a shit if other people think it's cool. In college I remember seeing thesekids who would dress up and go have sword fights in fields kind of like inthat movie Role Models, but they are enjoying themselves and have no shame about their kinda nerdy hobby. They have a group of people they like doing that hobby with and who really gives a shit about what anyone else really thinks about it. I really kind of admire that.

[debeguiled]

(02-13-2018 11:12 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

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guns (every woman I've taken to the range I ended up banging without fail)

Had to chuckle at that, because that is the perfect date location of mine too.

Video Games are of course something that many men do, but you are right that this is turn-off. Some women have admitted to have masturbated while her boyfriend was playing his Playstation in front of them.

Women simply are not into this despite the claims by the media and feminists.

There are hobbies that men should do just on their own or with female friends. I would add this to the turn-off list:



Some hobbies are interesting only to men - there is nothing wrong with them unless they emasculate the man by their very nature.

Just tweak it a bit and you're Paul Newman.

[HankMoody]

(03-12-2018 10:42 AM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 10:13 AM)SteezeySteve Wrote:  

Do things you dont like and push through. If you dont like a sport maybe you're being a pussy and not pushing yourself. If you dont like reading maybe You're a Dumbass and its easier to go watch tv instead.

Combat sports suck when you are doing basics amd getting your ass kicked but that's 80% of the gig. Drilling and getting your ass kicked by those better than you.

Surfing isn't fun when you just get pounded by mother nature,stung by jelly fish,are sketched out about the sharks at that one rocky spot,and catch 0 waves.

Gymnastics isnt enjoyable when you are just doing basic moves to strengthen a specific tendon or teach the body strength in a specific position. You keep going because of the rewards long term.

I've never played chess or poker but im sure its not fun losing but you keep going and get better anyways.

I disagree with recognizing video games and that type of stuff as valid hobbies. Sure its enjoyable but you dont get any skills or ability out of it long term. I used to play video games a lot but long term you dont get anything out of them. They aren't rewarding long term.

You bring up an interesting point. It's easier to meander through life or sit in front of the TV than it is to get out there and experiment with hobbies and trying new things so to some extent I think we do have to get outside of our comfort zones and push ourselves to do things we may not initially like.

That said, we do naturally have things were interested in and passionate about and there's some people out there who will just never enjoy surfing, BJJ, reading, chess, etc and I think in a sense it's silly to spend your time and effort doing something your not going to enjoy.

While I'm not personally into video games, it is an interest to a lot of people and even wierder to me is the swarms of people willing to pay money to sit and watch other people play video games, blows my mind but there's no denying it's a thing. There's kids making six figures playing video games. I'm sure some of these video game kids think kicking a ball around is stupid the same way we may think their hobby is stupid and a waste of time.

I actually think it's pretty cool when people have a hobby they are passionate about and don't really give a shit if other people think it's cool. In college I remember seeing thesekids who would dress up and go have sword fights in fields kind of like inthat movie Role Models, but they are enjoying themselves and have no shame about their kinda nerdy hobby. They have a group of people they like doing that hobby with and who really gives a shit about what anyone else really thinks about it. I really kind of admire that.

My post wasn't about having hobbies in general. Do whatever you want and be happy.

It's about the hobbies that will add to your ability to pickup hot women.

If you're into model trains, God bless ya.

My personal opinion is that meaningful hobbies are more important than women.