[Simeon_Strangelight]

Been to the cinema with a buddy and I think this will be the last movie I watched from Disney's Marvel or Disney's Star Wars for that matter - or best all of their crap.

The movie was moderately well-done, but they definitely cut cost. Also it is clear that that the usual Hollywood sheisters and liberals made it. It was also very much dumbed down.

SPOILERS



+ It was interesting to see a futuristic African nation, which looks maybe cool from the outside, but they simply don't explain it at all
+ they made the characters look like this with big lips:

+ In a way Wakanda is one united nation, but they have multiple tribes like the big-lip moronic tribe and the Gorilla tribe
+ Some of the Wakandan tribes live in fucking mud-huts and are creating giant war rhinos on which they ride into battle????!!!!!!!
+ The entire imperial warrior tribe are comprised of women and the women are not even having any exo-skeletons or anything - they are just super-warriors and there is no male warrior in sight in the Royal Guard. Also - their main general is a 27yo woman who is the main guard of Black Panther. I get it - some kings may have wanted some sexy guards like Gaddafi or some rare instances in peaceful times, but this simply looks stupid
+ Also - all the female guards have shaved heads and in one scene that female guards scoffs at the idea of wearing a wig - calling it disgraceful. Bitch just insulted all the Weave-wearers in the world I guess.
+ They showed skyscrapers of a city that must be inhabited by millions of highly intelligent people, but all you see closeup are the streets where they filmed some conversations were more like off-city dirt roads. They don't show how to feed such a massive population, they don't show the factories since Wakanda is seemingly completely independent (so how do they mine and refine all the metal, create concrete, create all their products?) No closeup of the city is ever shown - just the throne room, the laboratory and the Vibranium mines - other than the dirt-road parts of the city which are swamped with big-lipped folk using their futuristic Wakandan Ipads.
The mother of Black Panther looks the best of the lot, because they made her have decent hair at least:

The actress truly proves the black-don't-crack-mantra.

+ Interesting scene where the tribe leader - who raises rhinos AND LIVES IN FUCKING MUD-HUTS while the others are living in modern skyscrapers with airconditioning - this guy says something:
" We cannot let refugees come into Wakanda or Wakanda will become like all the other places in Africa." Yup - Alt Right partly confirmed.
+ What irked me more than the inconsistencies and the dumbing down was rather this:

A) There was affirmative gender action everywhere - from the all-female imperial guard, to the super-general who is a 20-something woman, to the lead scientist who seems to be a 20yo girl. Also she invents most of it on her own, because you see only one scientist extra. I guess Feminism rules in Wakanda!

B) They dug a bit too much into the White Supremacy rules everything and oppresses blacks and all races everywhere. The sister of Black Panther calls the only stranded white guy in Wakanda "colonialist". The Gorilla clan in addition does gorilla noises and says that the colonialist cannot talk in his presence.

By the way - the Gorilla tribe has the coolest crib with giant gorillas holding up massive constructions high up in the snowy mountains. But they also are clad more like bushmen, which does not make sense.

Also their plan of conquering the entire fucking world via their superior weaponry? Jeez - send out a few thousand tank-busting Vibranium guns and you conquer 5 bio. people? And who are they sending them out to? Compton to start a riot with those babies?

It's a moderately entertaining movie, where they unfortunately masculinized the women (most of them are the super-warriors) and they created a nonsense world, a mostly nonsense plot, a dumbed down version of a high-IQ African nation.

The actors are likeable and I especially liked the Gorilla tribe.

If I had done this, then I would have created them more realistically - a highly intellectual African tribe whose IQs were raised tremendously by the Vibranium that seeped into the water, they would be more like Vulcans equipped with logic retaining only ceremonial aspects of their African heritage. That would be frankly more inspirational and also more logical than the hogwash that was made up by some SJW in Hollywood.

Because it would take such a people to create a highly advanced isolationist country. And for God's sake let the hot women have some hair and let them be fucking women. Wonder Woman was created in the 1940s or they would have made her bald and covered up all her body.

And leave the combat rhinos and spear-hand-to-hand-combat in the 18th century. Wakanda probably would have outlasted the spear around the year 1200. There is zero reason why they should use it.

The entire society reminds me somehow of some idiotic creations of Neanderthals in furs sitting in skyscrapers in Frankfurt. Something on that scale was off.

When the Japanese create their SF-movies about a future Japan, then they are creating a fully futuristic country. They have their Ancient ceremonies and garb only for show and celebrations. They don't have Samurais and peasants strutting around with Iphones.

Ah well - how this movie is the most important for black America eludes me. All it does is reinforces the notion that Whitey is oppressing blacks and that all of Africa would be like Wakanda if only Whitey had not come along - never mind Asia or what they had done, that does not fit the narrative.

But alas - it's not the fault of the nice actors and cast - movie was created by White Slavers at Disney anyway.

[456]

I left the theatre after 40 minutes -- the bad CGI, the fact that I never read comics nor grew a nostalgia for Marvel nor the lackluster plots of superhero movies -- it felt like a big affront and insult! What am I, 13?

(I was with people and had pre-warned them I might walk out if I found it dull or pandering.)

Honestly it was so dull (especially after having watched some classic movies at home last week with great dialogue), there was no air left for me to even think about any pandering or funny meta-ironies.

I will say: if this was a legit 100% black financed, conceived, and produced endeavor, in a somewhat realistic mis-en-scene (my own preference), written and produced with love, I'd have stayed and expected to enjoy it in a riveting way.

A great film will have us sympathizing, rooting for, and almost existing in the world of the characters, regardless of one's IRL Identity versus that of the character.

[iop890]

(02-17-2018 04:22 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

All it does is reinforces the notion that Whitey is oppressing blacks and that all of Africa would be like Wakanda if only Whitey had not come along

That's what many believe and want to hear.

Meanwhile blacks in South Africa are about to genocide the whites there and cause mass starvation because they still haven't figured out how not to over-farm the land into a barren wasteland.

[WalterBlack]

(02-14-2018 12:19 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:20 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Are Liberals really this insane?

James Woods had this to say. One would hope it is in fact parody.

[url=https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/963502373124517889][/url]

I can believe it. I used to work with a white woman who asked me if she was racist because she came in to work on MLK day...

I just saw the movie and thought it was OK, nothing special, but then again you can say the same thing about most Marvel movies.

[RexImperator]

Browsing on a mostly black forum, I'd say this movie looks to be HUGE in the black community. It's like "Roots" back in the 1970's.

[CynicalContrarian]

(02-17-2018 08:46 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Browsing on a mostly black forum, I'd say this movie looks to be HUGE in the black community. It's like "Roots" back in the 1970's.

Yet all the same.
I'd wager in 2, 5 & 10 months time. Flint MI will still have substandard water & Chi-Raq will still be a danger zone.

[MongolianAbroad]

Saw it yesterday, it was a fun watch, I hope they do more sequels.

I think it would have been cool if Killmonger slowly said "father" as he was dying, so he'd be joining his dad in the afterlife, so to speak, and also, to kind of bring it back to the beginning.

Super cool movie.

[questor70]

Variety has gone SJW.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/its-ti...202703426/

This article is basically a "let's insult a male space and then invade it" attitude. The title also seems to be a riff on Mark Hamill being forced to utter the words "it's time for the Jedi to end".

Microsoft's term for that was embrace, extend, and extinguish.

If women and minorities want to play in the sandbox, great, but they have to show a little respect too rather than coming across like they want to kick us out and take over. If they don't, how can they cry foul over the rise of supremacist movements? There's just such a lack of self-awareness or concern over how completely rude, entitled, and obnoxious they come across.



And this article was written by a major self-loathing cuck.

Oh, and his pattern of supplication to SJW wasn't enough to prevent him from raising the ire of Rose McGowan.

What this guy also doesn't realize is that geeks were marginalized (and still are, considering they don't get laid) just as much as women and blacks back in the day. I went to conventions back in the early 80s before anyone knew what the f*ck Comic Con was. Fanboys were ridiculed by Shatner in his Get a Life skit.



Fanboys felt just as put-upon as LGBTs and the rest back then. The only difference now is that geek stuff (gadgets, internet, videogames, comic book movies) are now mainstream. So now we're gonna treat geeks as TPTB (aka patriarchy) and piss in their face?

Suddenly I get what the whole gamergate thing was all about.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-17-2018 08:46 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Browsing on a mostly black forum, I'd say this movie looks to be HUGE in the black community. It's like "Roots" back in the 1970's.

As I listened to the debate between Tariq Nasheed and Jared Taylor I realized that the black community - or a large portion of it - really thinks that the only reason blacks don't succeed on the same level as Whites or Asians or even Indians is because the White Supremacy is keeping the black man down.

And the only reason that Japan is the way it is, is because Whites are allowing them to be that way.

There are no differences in IQ, blacks are 100% as smart as Whites on average and they would have all Wakanda countries if Whites had not colonized or meddled in their affairs.

In a way it is sad, because if you don't address certain things, then you are bound to repeat your way. I guess in a way it is one of the better globalist plans of moving tens of millions or more of Chinese to Africa and let them take over the continent.

Ah well - I don't think any reasonable discussion can be had, when everything is White Supremacy to so many folk. It's like discussing with a feminist who thinks that history would be full with female Einsteins, Edisons, Mozarts and Beethovens, but the men just kept women down. Women deny the IQ distribution and character differences between men and women and since society ostracizes all men who state the obvious, then crazy feminism is alive. The same can be true about crazy racist policies. Instead of taking a look at the reality and implementing ways to close the racial gaps at least in the Western countries, then anyone pointing out the obvious is screamed down and fired. And the cycle continues.....

Thus a movie like Black Panther will only increase the viewpoints of such as Tariq Nasheed and make things worse instead of better. But I should not expect much I guess with current-day marxist propaganda.

[El Chinito loco]

(02-18-2018 04:05 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 08:46 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Browsing on a mostly black forum, I'd say this movie looks to be HUGE in the black community. It's like "Roots" back in the 1970's.

As I listened to the debate between Tariq Nasheed and Jared Taylor I realized that the black community - or a large portion of it - really thinks that the only reason blacks don't succeed on the same level as Whites or Asians or even Indians is because the White Supremacy is keeping the black man down.

And the only reason that Japan is the way it is, is because Whites are allowing them to be that way.

There are no differences in IQ, blacks are 100% as smart as Whites on average and they would have all Wakanda countries if Whites had not colonized or meddled in their affairs.

In a way it is sad, because if you don't address certain things, then you are bound to repeat your way. I guess in a way it is one of the better globalist plans of moving tens of millions or more of Chinese to Africa and let them take over the continent.

You see this reflected in pop culture in black comedy, drama, standup or whatever. It's always whitey this and that as the narrative.

Moby Dick should be mandatory reading for the black community or at the message conveyed in some way where the fundamental theme about self destruction and obsessive all consuming vengeance gets through.

African-Americans have become Ahab in a sense and white people have become Moby Dick in their eyes. The all consuming anti-white narrative is what drives the black community and unfortunately it's quite ironic much of their success comes directly from white people.

All the voting patterns of blacks and the mentality which keeps them enslaved in a system of victim hood means the future doesn't look good. Like I said many times before there is no such thing as white liberal guilt when it comes to latinos. If blacks essentially vote latinos into the U.S. as the dominant group then blacks as a whole in the U.S. are screwed.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Milo has a glowing review of the movie, in which despite technical flaws he refers to it as a refreshingly humane and politically sane, balanced adventure:

Black Panther is the Superhero We Need, and the Movie We Deserve Wrote:

The politics of Black Panther aren’t what you would expect from a movie that has been praised to the high heavens for “diverse” ethnic representation, and its worship by leftist ideologues.

Heavy spoilers follow.

In contrast to claims that the movie is only intended for an African American audience, the movie stands among one of the best films in Marvel’s movie franchise. It’s right up there with Iron Man and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and for good reason—the world of Wakanda is fleshed out, its characters have diverse personalities, and there’s an actual villain that’s more human than any of the other movies in the franchise.

Beyond that, its actors play their roles wholeheartedly and without any reservations. Director Ryan Coogler really has something to be proud of with Black Panther.

If it wasn’t for the superpowers and science fiction landscape, you’d almost forget you were watching a superhero movie. While there’s enough of the otherworldly to draw you in, it’s the characters at the heart of Black Panther who drive the two-hour ride.

Read the full review here:
https://www.dangerous.com/41526/review-b...e-deserve/

I'd really like to see this movie but sadly don't have enough time at the moment.

[CynicalContrarian]

Movie was ok.
The "let's all be global citizens" at the end, was more alarming to me than any notion of folk having chips on their shoulders due to past grievances.

Yet ultimately, while it may resonate with or rile up a certain crowd for two or three weeks, that will all die down when nothing in the real world changes.
Hell.
Even within the MCU the fervour of Black Panther will be forgotten once Thanos arrives.

[CynicalContrarian]

Speaking of riling up...
Oy vey.

@LeeJasper
4h

Quote:

Deeply disappointed #BlackPanther A predominately white narrative and reactionary script. African royalty sides with the CIA to destroy a ‘black revolution’ ? The manufactured white hope of benign black forgiveness. Demonising #KillMonger Malcolm Sanitising #T’Challa Martin

[El Chinito loco]

(02-18-2018 07:48 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Speaking of riling up...
Oy vey.

@LeeJasper
4h

Quote:

Deeply disappointed #BlackPanther A predominately white narrative and reactionary script. African royalty sides with the CIA to destroy a ‘black revolution’ ? The manufactured white hope of benign black forgiveness. Demonising #KillMonger Malcolm Sanitising #T’Challa Martin

I would respect that tweet 100 times more if he dared put in "Jewish" instead of white.


I didn't know who this Lee Jasper character was but..



Nigga please... I know more southeast asians with relatives who look blacker than that. This is some privileged European Afro carribean/colonial upper caste black descendant trying to hop onto the North American black victimhood train.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

I realized that the black community - or a large portion of it - really thinks that the only reason blacks don't succeed on the same level as Whites or Asians or even Indians is because the White Supremacy is keeping the black man down.

It's what they call "woke" and is their version of "red pill".

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(02-18-2018 08:21 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:

I realized that the black community - or a large portion of it - really thinks that the only reason blacks don't succeed on the same level as Whites or Asians or even Indians is because the White Supremacy is keeping the black man down.

It's what they call "woke" and is their version of "red pill" "PUAhate".

Fixed it for you.

[Once Was Not]

Didn't the actor who plays Black Panther come out and say he is an illegal immigrant? I also saw articles of him whining about seeing constant KKK rallies while he was filming the movie.

I thought he did alright in that Egyptian Gods movie but damn dude, what a complete fucking tool for the leftists.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-17-2018 08:46 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Browsing on a mostly black forum, I'd say this movie looks to be HUGE in the black community. It's like "Roots" back in the 1970's.

Ive never read and witnessed so much CRINGE with regards to a lot of behaviour from these black people than this movie. Not even worldstar can come close.

[RexImperator]

I probably would feel uncomfortable if I was in an urban movie theater and lots of black power fists went up.

Disney is claiming it expects $360MM worldwide for the (4-day) opening weekend.

[Going strong]

(02-16-2018 04:05 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote:

Why ‘Black Panther’ Is a Defining Moment for Black America
Ryan Coogler’s film is a vivid re-imagination of something black Americans have cherished for centuries — Africa as a dream of our wholeness, greatness and self-realization.

Maybe the Global Establishment is beginning to push for a re-migration to Africa, Monroe-style, by painting Africa as a dream land, of pride and greatness? See the strategy here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_C...on_Society

Meanwhile, some might notice that the movie goes on international screens at the very same time when the Israeli State (which totally is within its right) is distributing "letters of eviction" (with threat of jail if they do not comply) to almost all its illegal African migrants. (All countries should take example and follow this policy, by the way, regarding illegals)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rison.html

"Israel is telling African refugees to accept a £2,000 cash offer and a one-way ticket out of the country or face an indefinite stay in a desert prison.

The Eritrean and Sudanese migrants have been sent letters giving them 30 days to accept the offer of the cash and a ticket home or to another African country."

I mean, in any case it'd be easier to convince them to go back to their initial, dreamed and rightful land "of wholeness, greatness and self-realization" (by hyping a movie), than actually forcefully deporting them. Maybe it's the new Establishment strategy?

[thedarkknight]

Warning ...I’m black so I might be biased.

Spolier ALERT

The movie should not have used all this high tech shit. A battle with invisible shields and spears. Nigga please.

That said, the imagery between the old school , traditional African versus the lost westernised black is deep and struck to me on a personal level. I’m half East African and west Indian, old and new world.

The mentality between the two was very striking.

I was also struck by the degree of regret held by a few of the Africans for creating the “lost” tribe.

TDK

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Let me put this clearly - if I had any say in the Black Panther movie, then I would make it by far more logical, with a good middle class, with no medieval strange king-succession system where you are determined by your fighting prowess, with lack of the social justice bullshit.

Such a Black Panther movie would be even more grand - also I would drop all the feminazi bullshit out of it.

I understand that black folk feel a certain pride in seeing a highly advanced fully black created country. And I do think that it is possible - I said it previously - pick up the smartest 10 mio. blacks in the world with an aggregated average IQ that would be about 120, put them into one place, enact a solid policy, some startup capital and technology and you will get your Wakanda. It won't be superior to South Korea, but it will come close or even who knows surpass it over time. But that simply does not reflect reality.

And the movie is now shown as an example of what Africa would be if colonialism had not come along:

The movie is seen as justification that black built the pyramids and that even the ancient Italians, Greeks and Persians were mulattos in the past. This is simply ridiculous.

Also a good review by Sargon who is a left-leaning-liberal:

This is exactly the misconception promoted by such movies - if they had let go of that oppression bullshit, inserted some actual middle class and skills that would have been needed by a truly highly advanced African society, then this would have been a grand movie. But I guess given the current political climate many would have hated it and accused it just as the movie Blade as coincidentally black.

Essentially their view of the world becomes this:



http://thealternativehypothesis.org/inde...rica-poor/



In a way they forget that you create something innately rich by a variety of factors like average IQ, industriousness of a nation, good open free market economy, sound tariffs, strong borders, investment into research and development. Countries like South Korea or Japan still invest 4%+ of their GDP into R&D and have a highly competitive tech-driven education system. Wakanda would have required such a population for at least 800 years in order to get at that level. It would have changed their tribal ancestral system so far that current-day Africans would have hardly understood them.

I also saw that many commentators clearly advocated for the conquer-the-world route and were disappointed with the peaceful Black Panther approach.

Also - I did not even recognize that the main warrior/general was Michonne from Walking Dead. That woman should really have some hair - the bald chicks were a clear feminazi step.

[CynicalContrarian]

Mean-time.
The main group "colonizing" Africa today are China.

& we all know how the Chinese respect the black man...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Oh - the movie is doing great at the boxoffice - 370 mio. $ on the weekend alone worldwide. The production budget seemed to have been 200 mio. $ which I don't believe, but it is very likely that there will be a Black Panther 2 - might even make up to 1 bio. $.

[Elster]

How come after all this talk about this flick no one has seemingly said the dirty word?