[The Stronger Sex]

Define "boring". Is she dull and inexpressive when she's with you? Is she quiet in a passive-aggressive way? Is it hard to have a conversation with her?

On the other hand, does she smile a lot when she's with you? Does she find you funny? Does she stare at you in shy admiration? Does she reveal to you sides of herself she doesn't reveal to other people because she feels comfortable with you? Does she feel slightly light-headed when she's with you? Does she like talking to you? Is she agreeable and adaptable? Does she display caregiver tendencies? And you say on top of that she's submissive and has little social life? She sounds to me like a keeper. What exactly is your problem?

[369eyedea]

Papaya Tapper:
You might be right, I'm quite young, early 20s, and I met her just as I was getting into game several years ago, and due to reading this forum, I didn't appreciate her as the golden goose she may well be.

Game became a habit for me, and I slept with many girls, but she is always devoted to me. She doesn't know explicitly about me and gaming, although maybe she has an inkling.

The thing is that my mentality is such that I can't quiet the voice in my head that pushes me to take chances to sleep with other girls. I can't be content with just her. I guess my love for the roosh forum feeds into this mentality.

Stronger Sex:
Yes, she definitely is more in line with your second paragraph. The only thing is that she has a history of being needy with my time, she doesn't have many girlfriends to hang out with, and apart from talking to me and her family all the time, goes days and weeks even without othe social interaction.

I guess it goes without saying that she has no instagram, doesn't drink, no tattoos, never been in a nightclub, was a Virgin before meeting me, likes to cook, fitness body from plates and resistance training, doesn't look at phone when we talk, thoughtful and caring

The greatest player I met in person was a Russian man who constantly slept with new girls; and worked in a job that involved travelling around Russia for film shoots. His wife stayed at home with his kids. I asked him why he got married in his early 20s if he even knew that he would never be content with only his wife. He said he knew his wife would be a good mother and home keeper.
He knew his behavior isn't the most morally correct, but as he said "in life some men only take a few shots of vodka to be content, others need a whole bottle to get a rush".
I guess I have to follow his example to some extent to be content, because I need the whole bottle

[Solitaire]

(09-26-2018 08:50 AM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

Define "boring". Is she dull and inexpressive when she's with you? Is she quiet in a passive-aggressive way? Is it hard to have a conversation with her?

On the other hand, does she smile a lot when she's with you? Does she find you funny? Does she stare at you in shy admiration? Does she reveal to you sides of herself she doesn't reveal to other people because she feels comfortable with you? Does she feel slightly light-headed when she's with you? Does she like talking to you? Is she agreeable and adaptable? Does she display caregiver tendencies? And you say on top of that she's submissive and has little social life? She sounds to me like a keeper. What exactly is your problem?

Just described the perfect girl - add to that, guy says she was a virgin, no IG, no tattoos, isn't whoring around nightclubs, etc etc. WTF does it take to make some of you guys happy? Obviously not finding a fantastic girl.

[General Stalin]

Yes, it is possible for girls who are shy and reserved to grow into boisterous and "fun" later in life.

As for your specific scenario: She's in her mid-20's and you've been with her for 4 years. She's not that young and at this point you've grown incredibly comfortable with one another and your ability to radically influence her has diminished a great deal. That's just how relationships go. She could surely be turned out, but likely not by you. How she acts is partially a mirror of your influence on her, and you influence may be weak or strong depending on your personality and assertiveness, but whatever changes she has undergone in her adult life and her relationship with you are pretty much set unless she has some kind of radical experiences that shift her.

Honestly, if she started changing how she acts at this point in the game I'd be a bit concerned.

You could try doing psychedelics with her. I've heard those can have some profound effects on people's perspectives.

[PapayaTapper]

(09-26-2018 10:22 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  

Papaya Tapper:
You might be right, I'm quite young, early 20s, and I met her just as I was getting into game several years ago, and due to reading this forum, I didn't appreciate her as the golden goose she may well be.

Game became a habit for me, and I slept with many girls, but she is always devoted to me. She doesn't know explicitly about me and gaming, although maybe she has an inkling.

The thing is that my mentality is such that I can't quiet the voice in my head that pushes me to take chances to sleep with other girls. I can't be content with just her. I guess my love for the roosh forum feeds into this mentality.

I get it. I truly do. I have been lucky enough to have been with more than a few women that were good if not great wife material ( I know several have gone on to be good wives and mothers) But the allure of new strange was always stronger than the satisfaction.

Like in else everything in life there's pros an cons to your situation. Youre young. The upside of marrying young and having kids is...youre young. If you have kids in your early twenties then you'll still be a young man (relatively) when they go out on their own.

If your woman is the type who will turn a blind eye to your collecting strange on the side (and there are many of these women...as long as you A) hold up your end of the bargain to her and any kids and B) are discrete and dont rub it in her face or humiliate her, or bring home an STD)...This "arrangement" is timeless....and thats one way to eat your cake and have it too.

[Endless Escapes]

(02-05-2018 10:32 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  

I'm in an LTR with a beautiful 25 year old. She's amazing wife material, however she's quite shy, very passive and submissive.

She's Russian and moved to Australia to study were we met and now live together.

She has her Dads personality (quiet, shy), yet her Mum is the life of the party.

I didn't think this would be in issue although now after four years I'd say she's borderline boring, and I yearn for a bit more excitement from her - organising some social outings m, dinner parties or even just her having some more interesting friends (instead of just mine).

Is this something that can improve with Improv classes etc just like for guys?

It is abolutely possible. It mainly depends on the man.

I can make you an example. This week, I met that 19 year old girl in the supermarket. I bought her some candy, she followed my to my apartment, we became friends. But I could not kiss her on her mought, she could barely look in my eyes.

Second day when she visited me, we made french kisses and I managed to undress her thirt and bra. She said I was the first man in her life that she did this with. Mind, on her arrival I was in underpants only. She looked away and said that she does not want to see that.

Third day, she already anounced on her way that she has some presents for me. One of them was that SHE undressed me (and herself) sucked my dick, could not stop anymore and told me that she would never ever have believed three days ago that something like that could happen.

---> A woman/her behaviour can dramatically change within short time if a man knows how to handle her

[Green-On-GO]

Shes going to be exciting for the next guy.I'm side dick for a chick like this.Everyone thinks she's a nice girl etc etc.
She was bored as all fuck.She needed passion and to be gamed to wake up.

I wonder if she went back to Russia with a Aussie passport.
My first Russian GF when I was 22 was a nerdy girl but holy fuck she was a tiger in bed.She just love the look of me.I was taken aback because I was use to Aussie shit cunt games.

I knew another Aussie guy seeing a Russian chick 15 years younger than him .But he was upset that all she talked about was herself .So he went back to fucking Aussie 4s.

Don't worry OP you'll get a nice fat Aussie GF that will be 4 points below you .Live and learn bro.
Australian men in general because our women are so masculine can't handle feminity when it comes their way.They can't handle sweet surrender.
They've been that hoodwinked by the Aussie feminist system.Most see a foriegn chick in heels and a evening dress and automatically think prostitute.
In Melbourne at the moment chicks are getting around in dad jeans and new balance sneakers..

OP has to red pill up..

[RedPillUK]

Everyone's missing the point.

He didn't fuck her for TWO MONTHS.

If the attraction dies the relationship will die soon after, especially if there's no kids or anything else keeping them together.

That's why she's 'boring'. I would be bored out of my mind spending all that time with a girl I'm not even fucking, what's the point?

No point feeling regret over this, because the relationship was already over when you came here to ask for advice.

[StrikeBack]

(09-26-2018 07:28 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  

I'm in a similar situation as the OP with a Russian girl who is also quite shy and not very outgoing.

One thing that bothers me about her is that she has very few friends, and puts pretty much all her social energy into talking to me, which I find a bit suffocating.

Obviously I appreciate how loyal she is, her Ltr qualities of being on the meek side.

What do you think about girls who have very few friends, and dedicate themselves solely to you?

For marriage and making babies.

Green-ON-Go is spot on here:

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Australian men in general because our women are so masculine can't handle feminity when it comes their way.They can't handle sweet surrender.
They've been that hoodwinked by the Aussie feminist system.Most see a foriegn chick in heels and a evening dress and automatically think prostitute.
In Melbourne at the moment chicks are getting around in dad jeans and new balance sneakers..

[Rorogue]

In my opinion it's good that she's quiet and shy. Last thing you want is an extrovert in this environment

Only way I have seen women be more extroverted is if they start socializing more with 'outgoing girls' ie, skanks, which usually results in them sleeping around

[PixelFree]

(09-27-2018 11:28 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

Everyone's missing the point.

He didn't fuck her for TWO MONTHS.

If the attraction dies the relationship will die soon after, especially if there's no kids or anything else keeping them together.

That's why she's 'boring'. I would be bored out of my mind spending all that time with a girl I'm not even fucking, what's the point?

No point feeling regret over this, because the relationship was already over when you came here to ask for advice.

In the end it was more like a WHOLE YEAR (maybe once each two months during this time).

Yes, I lost interest and attraction in her. Logically, she was the perfect woman, would make the perfect Mum and caregiver. I mean really perfect. This is why it was so tormenting for me.

However, I was bored, which in hindsight was probably more a problem with ME, rather than her.

I'm thinking I should have been able to be happy with her (or anyone else, or by myself even) and find other ways to entertain myself. This type of women would have been perfect for the (even older) man who was really ready to settle down, although it seems I had some play left in me.

[torridon747]

Sounds like you're aggrandizing the past, and her. That's always something to look out for when analyzing the past so you can make better decisions in the future.

Glad you learned stuff about yourself though that always helps.

[RedPillUK]

So next time you're in a relationship... remember to fuck her regularly! Stop watching porn.

Such painfully obvious advice.

If it makes you feel any better, an attractive girl doesn't usually go a year without having sex, she was probably getting it somewhere else, or at least trying to.