[Pointer]

I'm quite sure Roosh was talking about game in real life. Texting on Tinder is not game.

If you approach a random girl on the street you have a chance to seduce her if your game is strong even if you're not a very attractive guy.

On Tinder she will probably swipe left, you won't even get a change to say hi. Your game will be worthless.
Unless you're Chad. Then you can send her a dick pic followed by "Wanna bang?" and she will accept the invitation. No game is required in that case.

[Mufasa]

Be more direct when you talk to women in real life. Don't be afraid to approach, escalate, and get numbers..

dating apps have given women more access to more men but more lame dudes, terrible dates, men with no game, etc. In my personal life its easier to go after what I want and set up relationships on my own terms because these girls are becoming more and more aware of the slim pickings for quality men.

[Zerdame]

I've noticed a trend now on tinder where girls(especially those influencer wannabes) would connect or put their Instagram account on their captions and saying something like "not on tinder very often, message me on IG instead!'

What happens is a flood of beta and thirsty dudes following her on IG and her follower count jumps by the hundreds. She doesn't need to pay for her followers, all she needs is to show some good photos and Tinder is like a funnel that pumps all the beta men to her instagram.

She will of course from time to time, post a screenshot of the creepy messages men send her and lament on her being 'sexually violated' which will invite her male following to spam her with 'what a pervert!! I'm not like that, I genuinely like you!.' She loves the attention and she didn't even have to lift a finger.

It's disgusting.

[Kwisatz]

"OKC/POF/Et Cetera Message Formula" I wrote helped quite a few people. It's still completely effective for me! Feel free to use it and let me know your results -> thread-37124.html

Sidenote, BossOfBosses was right. Automation makes online messaging and setting up dates far too easy!

[Putin Closes]

(01-16-2018 08:00 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

Be more direct when you talk to women in real life. Don't be afraid to approach, escalate, and get numbers..

dating apps have given women more access to more men but more lame dudes, terrible dates, men with no game, etc. In my personal life its easier to go after what I want and set up relationships on my own terms because these girls are becoming more and more aware of the slim pickings for quality men.

Thats a bunch of nonsense. You think women with a plethora of guys to choose from will go for lame dudes? Its the opposite, they get their side dick while being able to protect their "innocent" image. The lame dudes get no matches then go complain online that online is terrible.

Not that I mind My results before Tinder and after are night and day. Its like steroids for dating. These days when I go out my primary purpose is to chill with the fellas and not worry about getting a LINE id that will go nowhere.

[questor70]

(01-17-2018 07:42 AM)Zerdame Wrote:  

She will of course from time to time, post a screenshot of the creepy messages men send her and lament on her being 'sexually violated' which will invite her male following to spam her with 'what a pervert!! I'm not like that, I genuinely like you!.' She loves the attention and she didn't even have to lift a finger.

This is one of my top pet peeves about women.

Women routinely fall into behaviors where they attract a lot of male attention and delude themselves into thinking that the men are interested in her for any reason OTHER than her looks.

For instance, there is a fetish on Youtube of female guitar shredders. Once it became known that this was a fast-track to millions of hits, you see a lot of copycat behavior. But these women think the only reason guys are there is because of their skills. But if these women were hogbeasts they'd have a fraction of the hits. It's just a sexual fetish. Cosplay girls are the other one. They have fooled themselves into thinking guys are only there to admire their costuming skills. The delusions are harmless up until the point a thirsty guy catcalls. Then she cries foul and the white knights tackle him. Meanwhile the white knights are going through crates of kleenex boxes just like everyone else. They're just the other side of the denial-coin.

It's dysfunctional beyond belief.

The moral of the story is you can't control the thoughts that drive people to give you attention. Validation is in most case...wholly superficial.

[Player_1337]

(01-18-2018 11:38 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 07:42 AM)Zerdame Wrote:  

She will of course from time to time, post a screenshot of the creepy messages men send her and lament on her being 'sexually violated' which will invite her male following to spam her with 'what a pervert!! I'm not like that, I genuinely like you!.' She loves the attention and she didn't even have to lift a finger.

This is one of my top pet peeves about women.

Women routinely fall into behaviors where they attract a lot of male attention and delude themselves into thinking that the men are interested in her for any reason OTHER than her looks.

For instance, there is a fetish on Youtube of female guitar shredders. Once it became known that this was a fast-track to millions of hits, you see a lot of copycat behavior. But these women think the only reason guys are there is because of their skills. But if these women were hogbeasts they'd have a fraction of the hits. It's just a sexual fetish. Cosplay girls are the other one. They have fooled themselves into thinking guys are only there to admire their costuming skills. The delusions are harmless up until the point a thirsty guy catcalls. Then she cries foul and the white knights tackle him. Meanwhile the white knights are going through crates of kleenex boxes just like everyone else. They're just the other side of the denial-coin.

It's dysfunctional beyond belief.

The moral of the story is you can't control the thoughts that drive people to give you attention. Validation is in most case...wholly superficial.

As a guitarist, I've stumbled upon a lot of these YouTube guitar girls. If men with the same mediocre skill level posted, no one would care.

[Sidney Crosby]

^ She couldn't stick her tits out anymore eh

[Heart Break Kid]

^ I think I saw an article about that woman. Her earlier videos she wasn't caked up in make up or showed her cleavage and she basically sold out in order to get views.

[Zerdame]

(01-18-2018 11:38 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

Women routinely fall into behaviors where they attract a lot of male attention and delude themselves into thinking that the men are interested in her for any reason OTHER than her looks.

I don't they're delusional at all. I think they're 100% conscious and aware of what they're doing and what are the benefits they can reap out of it. It was a choice.

It's the same thing when women can 'detect fake-ness/drama' in other women. They know that it is something perfectly capable of being done by their female counterpart because they know how to do it too. Whether they choose to do it or not is the difference between whether men choose to marry them or not.

[DJ-Matt]

I noticed she stopped posting, evidently focusing on her "career" where I'm guessing she is using those tits to get promotion after promotion over qualified dudes.

[Sidney Crosby]

From what I've read you get about $1000 per million views on YouTube, so with 1.7+ million plus views that's close to 2k.

I don't know how many videos she has but if she could pump out a couple dozen a year that's a great side hustle. Plus taking up the offers to fuck guys for cash that she is probably sent a few times a day.

[CJ_W]

(01-16-2018 01:01 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  

One tactic that I've used to some success is lying big about your height. I'm talking more than a few inches. I'm saying that everyone should write on their profile that they're 6'2'', even if they're not even close.

In 95% of the dates, the girl doesn't say anything. I've had only a handful of girls mention that "you're not 6'2''." All the ones who said it were actually taller than me. My response in each case was "Oh, you're right." Then grin and plow on.

Perfect response would be: "I'm 6"2 where it counts"

[questor70]

(01-19-2018 12:40 AM)Zerdame Wrote:  

I don't they're delusional at all. I think they're 100% conscious and aware of what they're doing and what are the benefits they can reap out of it. It was a choice.

Maybe, but they sure as hell won't admit it.

If there's something I can't stand in a person's character is a lack of honesty/integrity.

If a woman wants to exploit her looks, I have no problem with it, as long as she cops to it and doesn't clutch her pearls over the inevitable cat-callers.

I mean, I'll at least give her credit for trying to learn to play, even if that's not the main selling-point. There are plenty of women on Youtube who just turn around and twerk their asses for the camera.

[blacknwhitespade]

I've run into a problem a few times with getting the girl to cell phone numbers texting, then they disappear after a few back and forth messages, or when I call they don't answer. It seems no women answer their phones nowadays. I managed to set up one date 2 weeks ago strictly via texting. Any good tactics of how to escalate/seal the date once you have them over to cell phone texting?

[Lermontov]

(02-10-2018 06:19 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

I've run into a problem a few times with getting the girl to cell phone numbers texting, then they disappear after a few back and forth messages, or when I call they don't answer. It seems no women answer their phones nowadays. I managed to set up one date 2 weeks ago strictly via texting. Any good tactics of how to escalate/seal the date once you have them over to cell phone texting?

John Doe matched on Wednesday with Debby and started to chat. He got her phone number, then he's sending SMS and on Saturday he is calling her but she's not answering.

Tyrone matched with Debby on Thursday and he asked her out for Saturday on Tinder right away in his second message . He didn't get her phone number. She gave it to him when the date was planned. He didn't text her. He doesn't need to ''transition'' and to get the digits.

Also, Tyrone has better photos then John but he's not necessarily more good-looking in real life.

On Saturday when John is calling, she's blowing Tyrone two hours after they met.

[General Stalin]

Online dating is a trend that evolves just like other trends.

Used to be the idea of reading a broad's profile then bringing up something about it in your initial message was the way to go. Create some kind of interested/warm connection.

That shit is for the birds now. Post a silly gif as your opener and just be cheeky. Sarcasm, jokes, and making plans is the ticket. Keep it light, fun, and short.

To the people who are anti-online dating - that's your choice to not use it, but don't act like getting pussy from swipe apps doesn't require skill. Don't act like showing yourself in the best light and knowing your best features and how to showcase them isn't game. Don't act like knowing what to text and when to text it isn't game. Don't pretend that actually setting up a real date and then having to work your way into a girl's pants in person isn't game. Just because you are leaving pussy on the table because you don't want to learn online dating game or are just bad at it doesn't mean you need to talk down to others who use it and have skill. No one buys the subjective and feigned "purest" angle either.

[Kieran]

I don't think most people that are good at night game are leaving any pussy on the table by not doing online game. I'm not even very good and I always have more girls from nightlife than I have time to deal with. For those who enjoy nightlife and are good at cold approach, and are getting good results form it, it's simply unnecessary and would be a pain in the arse.

I'm sure it takes lots of skills and game to consistently get results from online game though and I don't see it as being an easy alternative. I also doubt I'd be good at online game as I'm shit at text game, and can hardly be bothered to respond to texts, let alone game a girl from scratch through messages. I've never done it but I can't imagine it's easy to get a girl you've never met before to agree to meet you in real life.

[kaotic]

If ain't broke don't fix it.

People are good at different things, keep at it if you're killing it.

Some dudes have time to day/night approach, and they kill it rightly so.

Some dudes work long hours, then hit the gym, which doesn't leave time to go out and approach.

They turn to online game, those same girls in clubs, are also online (because it's now socially "acceptable"). They pipeline on their breaks, or on the shitter, or on their commute.

It's ease of access to some, and time management for others.

But to deny a changing dating scene is different.

Like I've always said, improvise, adapt, overcome.

[Black Caesar]

If you’re spending more than 30 minutes a day swiping on chicks you’re better off using that time hitting your local spots and getting a lifestyle that actually keeps fly girls around.

If you’ve got other constraints (low grade city or major time issues) or are in to meeting a bunch of mid tier women with LSE then stick to online stuff.

[kaotic]

(02-13-2018 06:28 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

If you’ve got other constraints (low grade city or major time issues) or are in to meeting a bunch of mid tier women with LSE then stick to online stuff.

Granted there are 5's that act like 9, but I'm going to disagree, there's a ton of cute girls on there that don't have LSE.

Also it depends on what you have to offer, your pics, openers, closers are. If you're in the top 20% of looks online or have killer pics then you're doing pretty good for yourself.

I've noticed most people who complain about online dating never did too well to begin with in the first place (from reading their posts).

Some guys just don't have it for that kind of stuff.

30 minutes a day could be on the shitter or your commute, if that, you'd need more that 30 minutes to acquire a girl that you find attractive to approach (everyone's experience may vary i.e. suburbs vs. downtown). Versus a few matches and numbers in 30 minutes versus maybe 1 in 30 or a few rejections before getting one in person.

In the end it matters what's worth more to you, time/quality/convenience.

This is the best I can break it down, but you get the picture:

[Putin Closes]

I just blasted a copy and paste message V-day message to 50 LINE contacts and got some positive bites, even a drinks date later today. Online is a numbers game, just keep blasting away and girls in the right mood will respond.

[Balls_Hang_Low]

It is not a post tinder era. Tinder premium is key. I made a bot to automatically click like and it works wonders. Initially ill get aprox five matches a day until it goes down to one or two a day.

You get one free boost. Use it. That boost got me 15 matches in half an hour and the matches keep rolling. With this bot you might match some ugly ASF girls or trannies but just unmatch. The boost is KEY! Will also raise elo score.

its super easy to get SNL out of tinder. Girls will come over strictly to fuck.

Im typing this out as i bask in the afterglow of getting a SNL with an intelligent (for being a woman) and decent looking gal who happens to live around the corner.

Messaged her at 2 am met up at 2:20. Went to a bar, walked a block down the empty street. Groped, fingered, up to my rooftop and pounded her out. I had no condoms other than the free ones they give out in hospitals so after getting limp dick from not feeling shit i went in raw.

Could tell you tons of similar stories. Dont know how it is in the states but tinder here is an excellent alternative to jacking off.

My game plan is to say something off their profile or simply write "heyy" in english which isn't the language spoken here. If it get a reply you ask a question or drop bait. If she bites you drop dhv. Ask her what she's doing tonight, bitches are boring so they usually dont know. Tell her you'll pick her up for drinks at 11. TELL. DO NOT ASK. Move convo over to whatsapp. If you wanna try and skip the date since youd rather not be seen with the girl in public <6 theresNo need to be crude and outright say come over for sex, just tell em to come hang out at home. Most will come, and if they refuse theres a ton other matches.

Go on "date" proceed to get dick sucked. Over 90% of tinder dates end with a bang. The ones that dont is either because they are catfish or theres some logístics issue.

Any questions just ask

[General Stalin]

(02-13-2018 06:28 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

If you’re spending more than 30 minutes a day swiping on chicks you’re better off using that time hitting your local spots and getting a lifestyle that actually keeps fly girls around.

How do you figure? Have you done both and collected enough data to calculate accurate ROI imbalances?

If I spend 31 minutes swiping, matching, and messaging girls on Bumble or Tinder I'm willing to bet I can turn that into at least 1 potential date or maybe even a direct pull to my place or hers for sex. This also costs me $0.

Now if I want to go out and approach? Well I will need to drive or uber downtown, college campus, park, or somewhere where I can find a good selection of women which may take 30 minutes by itself, and will also cost me gas and maybe parking or a fare. Even worse if I go downtown at night and hit up a bar/club may need to pay a cover plus drinks. Then getting home afterwards will cost another 30 mins plus gas/fare. All for the same result - a potential date or pull to my place or hers.

[Black Caesar]

(02-13-2018 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 06:28 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

If you’ve got other constraints (low grade city or major time issues) or are in to meeting a bunch of mid tier women with LSE then stick to online stuff.

Granted there are 5's that act like 9, but I'm going to disagree, there's a ton of cute girls on there that don't have LSE.

Yeah sure there are some cute girls but let's be real more often it's a D league girl that needs the online leverage to get her access to options.

(02-13-2018 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Also it depends on what you have to offer, your pics, openers, closers are. If you're in the top 20% of looks online or have killer pics then you're doing pretty good for yourself.

Yeah sure I can clean up online with some basic stuff and really any guy that has his shit together should be able to do the same. Very easy, have done it since those guys were paying sororities to get hot girls online.

(02-13-2018 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I've noticed most people who complain about online dating never did too well to begin with in the first place (from reading their posts).

Some guys just don't have it for that kind of stuff.

Agreed mostly you're going to complain if you can't keep up with stuff. But still you will get better return to just hit spots a few days a week and build a life that gets you easy access to actual high-tier women because they are not really hanging out on dating apps.

Not saying don't do the online dating thing. Definitely would advise guys stick to what ever works.

(02-13-2018 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

30 minutes a day could be on the shitter or your commute, if that, you'd need more that 30 minutes to acquire a girl that you find attractive to approach (everyone's experience may vary i.e. suburbs vs. downtown). Versus a few matches and numbers in 30 minutes versus maybe 1 in 30 or a few rejections before getting one in person.

Yeah dog if it takes more than 30 minutes to get a good lead or you get rejected 29 times then it's either bad Game or bad Location but most likely it's both.

(02-13-2018 06:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

In the end it matters what's worth more to you, time/quality/convenience.

Look I've burnt online down no issues and like I said if it works it works but I've never seen how it is better on any of these scales.

Guys sitting hours up swiping away on girls and messaging trying to get them out then when they get out it's a 50/50 chance the girl is interesting or even looks like her pictures.

Sounds like low quality, low convenience, waste of a time.

This probably isn't the case for you kaotic cause if you actually have some Game then online will definitely get you chicks I just have found that you get better women out in the world.