[kaotic]

(02-14-2018 11:16 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Yeah sure there are some cute girls but let's be real more often it's a D league girl that needs the online leverage to get her access to options.

Some is an understatement, and also should note I rarely use Tinder, I use Bumble, so that's a day and night different.

I'd agree Tinder is D league, but bumble is definitely top tier.

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Yeah sure I can clean up online with some basic stuff and really any guy that has his shit together should be able to do the same. Very easy, have done it since those guys were paying sororities to get hot girls online

Most guys who have their shit together, don't have any game, or minimum at best, hence the 80/20 ratio.

Paying sororites to get hot girls online ? Are you talking about pay for play ?

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Agreed mostly you're going to complain if you can't keep up with stuff. But still you will get better return to just hit spots a few days a week and build a life that gets you easy access to actual high-tier women because they are not really hanging out on dating apps.

This goes back to the denial that cute girls DON'T get online, which isn't true at all, they definitely do.

So explain to me, what kind of lifestyle do you have ? How often do you approach girls ? How many numbers per approach ? Whats your close rate like ? How many dates ?

I think this is important to know, stats are good to know, so guys have goals of what to go after.

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Yeah dog if it takes more than 30 minutes to get a good lead or you get rejected 29 times then it's either bad Game or bad Location but most likely it's both.

Okay so since you're new here, I'm curious to know your stats (above). What has been your experiences like ? Do you live in a large metro ?

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Look I've burnt online down no issues and like I said if it works it works but I've never seen how it is better on any of these scales.

Guys sitting hours up swiping away on girls and messaging trying to get them out then when they get out it's a 50/50 chance the girl is interesting or even looks like her pictures.

There's PLENTY of easy to filter out shitty quality chicks, and that's just a touch of a few buttons on your phone.

The same could be said about a girl you meet in person, she could still be boring or not really interesting after the initial number close, I've seen this happen plenty of times. There's the initial spark and then it's wack.

If a guy is staying hours on apps, of course that's a major problem, and I'd tell em to cut back, but if you spend maybe 20-30 minutes throughout the day, I'd say that's a good use of your time, especially if it's limited.

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Sounds like low quality, low convenience, waste of a time.

This probably isn't the case for you kaotic cause if you actually have some Game then online will definitely get you chicks I just have found that you get better women out in the world.

I'd for sure say it's not low quality most the time (if you know how to filter), it's very convenient (right at your fingertips), but occasionally a waste of time (when you meet).

You take the pro's and cons with a cold approach and online dating.

There's major threads for both, different strokes for different folks.


The times are changing - people are getting more connected (to tech) but noone is connecting (with eachother).

I mean we have people posting about how to get a girl's attention while she has her headphones on or is staring at her phone when we approach her - obviously a good player know's how to do so - but it is telling.

[General Stalin]

The notion that attractive girls don't use online dating is just simply wrong. The only people that would say that are people who have never used online dating but just want to hate on it, or people who used it one or two times, swiped a couple 4's and 5's, and summarily dismissed it and exaggerate saying only ugly girls use it. I honestly don't know many women who don't use online dating. It's like having a Facebook, IG, or Snapchat - everyone fucking uses it. Ugly girls, hot girls, average girls. They all got apps. Just from my personal experience using Tinder, Bumble, and OKC I'd say 75% of girls' profiles I come across are very bangable, and 20% of those are total hotties. Just like walking around on a typical college campus or city center on any given day.

[Black Caesar]

(02-14-2018 11:09 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

How do you figure? Have you done both and collected enough data to calculate accurate ROI imbalances?

Yeah man that's exactly what I'm saying. Having done both and had success with both, going out is just way more fun and interesting.

(02-14-2018 11:09 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

If I spend 31 minutes swiping, matching, and messaging girls on Bumble or Tinder I'm willing to bet I can turn that into at least 1 potential date or maybe even a direct pull to my place or hers for sex. This also costs me $0.

If the real problem is that you don't want to spend any change that's a different issue.

(02-14-2018 11:09 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Now if I want to go out and approach? Well I will need to drive or uber downtown, college campus, park, or somewhere where I can find a good selection of women which may take 30 minutes by itself, and will also cost me gas and maybe parking or a fare. Even worse if I go downtown at night and hit up a bar/club may need to pay a cover plus drinks. Then getting home afterwards will cost another 30 mins plus gas/fare. All for the same result - a potential date or pull to my place or hers.

Yeah this is an issue with Logistics, Game and Cash.

My point is basically that most of guys problems with going out are actually a problem of Location, Game and How You Eat.

The thing is that going out can actually help you with the above. Assuming you do want to improve those things.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Most guys who have their shit together, don't have any game, or minimum at best, hence the 80/20 ratio.

Paying sororites to get hot girls online ? Are you talking about pay for play ?

this is how all the swipe apps seeded their platforms when they started out.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

This goes back to the denial that cute girls DON'T get online, which isn't true at all, they definitely do.

Yeah sure I agree with that. Just not in the same way you can find them if you know what you're doing in the wilds.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

So explain to me, what kind of lifestyle do you have ? How often do you approach girls ? How many numbers per approach ? Whats your close rate like ? How many dates ?

I think this is important to know, stats are good to know, so guys have goals of what to go after.

Okay so since you're new here, I'm curious to know your stats (above). What has been your experiences like ? Do you live in a large metro ?

Not going to pull all the receipts for you but since I am new:

http://caesarisblack.com/

The short version is there has never been a time when I've met better girls through an app than I have through going out even just grabbing drinks after getting in some work or out running errands I pick up leads.

If I'm grabbing drinks with a client, close the tab and then hang around for another 30 minutes before I meet up with my next appointment there is always someone interesting to chat with.

Again, this is in my situation because I've set things up for myself that way. Part of that is Having Access.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

There's PLENTY of easy to filter out shitty quality chicks, and that's just a touch of a few buttons on your phone.

The same could be said about a girl you meet in person, she could still be boring or not really interesting after the initial number close, I've seen this happen plenty of times. There's the initial spark and then it's wack.

Yeah this is true and it's way easier to filter chicks out in person when she has to talk and make sentences in real time making it harder for her to be fake and making it way easier for you to get to deep topics quickly to see what kind of person she is.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You take the pro's and cons with a cold approach and online dating.

Yeah not saying guys have to choose. To each their own.

The pros of going out just far outweigh the pros of app stuff.

My opinion anyway.

(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

The times are changing - people are getting more connected (to tech) but noone is connecting (with eachother).

I mean we have people posting about how to get a girl's attention while she has her headphones on or is staring at her phone when we approach her - obviously a good player know's how to do so - but it is telling.

Yeah there are plenty of ways that the player can use all of this to his advantage which is why this is an interesting thread.

The thing is that in online dating guys are the mark.

Not everyone is getting fleeced but it's playing against the house.

There are better ways to use social media and online stuff to a player's advantage.

[Black Caesar]

(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

The notion that attractive girls don't use online dating is just simply wrong. The only people that would say that are people who have never used online dating but just want to hate on it, or people who used it one or two times, swiped a couple 4's and 5's, and summarily dismissed it and exaggerate saying only ugly girls use it. I honestly don't know many women who don't use online dating. It's like having a Facebook, IG, or Snapchat - everyone fucking uses it. Ugly girls, hot girls, average girls. They all got apps. Just from my personal experience using Tinder, Bumble, and OKC I'd say 75% of girls' profiles I come across are very bangable, and 20% of those are total hotties. Just like walking around on a typical college campus or city center on any given day.

Yeah man that's how it is set up of course if you are the target customer they are going to make things look nice and appealing for you.

I guess my question is more whether these girls are readily accessible to you.

I've pulled fly girls off these things. But for me it's way easier to do this in person. Better return on time spent.

If online game is working then keep doing it.

[kaotic]

(02-14-2018 01:18 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Yeah man that's how it is set up of course if you are the target customer they are going to make things look nice and appealing for you.

I guess my question is more whether these girls are readily accessible to you.

I think what you're getting at is as a "customer" if we pay for these apps right ? If these are "fake" girls created by these companies to keep you swiping ?

I know I've never paid for an app and I know Stalin doesn't either.

You can't be a target if you aren't a paying customer.

I'd say for the most part yes these girls are accessible, however you definitely have to stand out and strike while the iron is hot in order to jump out of that bagful of dicks she's opening.

[General Stalin]

(02-14-2018 01:13 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Yeah man that's exactly what I'm saying. Having done both and had success with both, going out is just way more fun and interesting.

That is the key point. What you like to do.

[Black Caesar]

It's true I do like going out and being social.

That is not everyone's idea of fun and not everyone knows HOW to make it fun so they think it's not fun.

For me an hour spent out in life is just better than an hour spent working through girls on my phone.