Quote: (01-12-2018 08:48 PM)king bast Wrote:
Dont you find it just a little curious that asians that cant string 2 words of english together, magically develop impecable english reading and writing skills at test time, which then evaporate as quick as they came? Or is that another one of the things we're not supposed to notice about the wonders of diversity?
No, because speaking English and reading/writing it are two different things. I've come across kids in India who have great written English skills, but who are too shy to have an English conversation. You'd be surprised at how many non-English speaking Indian kids know their way round an English language smartphone.
I went to grad school in the US and a lot of Chinese FOB students definitely cheated - they would do individual assignments in groups.
The Chinese-Americans wanted nothing to do with the Mainland Chinese FOBs. They would however interact with the Taiwanese FOBs. I wouldn't say the Chinese-Americans cheated.
I think it's a cultural thing, not genetic. Parents who came from poverty emphasis hard work and making money in order to not starve. Parents who came from an educated background also push their kids.
I don't consider Chinese particularly intelligent - they tend to learn what they need to learn to make money. Outside of that the average Chinese person doesn't have well rounded knowledge. I used to work with Chinese-American finance MBA who could calculate a mortgage in his head, but he didn't know what continent India or Iran was in - he claimed it was "specialised knowledge" to know that.
American immigration rules tend to ensure that the smartest immigrants from many East Asian countries and from South Asia make it to the US. There's plenty of dumb people in Asia too, but most of them never manage to make it to the US.
In my own famiy if you go back to my grandparent's generation, most of them were illiterate peasants in India. My father moved to the UK and he emphasised education to me and my brothers. Nearly all of my brothers have at least a bachelors degree and some including myself have a master's degree. Even to this day, I still have illiterate aunts - one of them didn't know that the earth went round the sun.
Because my father came from poverty, he emphasised that hard work and making the best of your opportunities was the way to get ahead in life.
Quote: (01-12-2018 11:30 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:
That's why if you started looking under a magnifying glass you'd see a big performance difference between southeast and northeast asians too. Southeast asians tend to have a different mentality and aren't influenced as much by confucian work ethic. Confucian work ethic is not too different from the protestant work ethic in practice.
People in the mainstream media tend to lump all asians together (including subcontinent people with southeast/northeast asians) which is patently ridiculous.
I agree, a lot of the Chinese and Taiwanese came to the US as students, whereas a lot of the Vietnamese, Hmong, Cambodians and Laotians came as refugees. They have very different income levels.