[Super_Fire]

(01-12-2018 10:26 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(01-12-2018 09:27 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

You can be woke on the Jewish issues without being an anti-semite.

“An anti-Semite is one who hates the Jews more than is absolutely necessary”.

"It used to be that an anti-semite was someone who didn't like Jews. Now, an anti-semite is someone who the Jews don't like."
-E. Michael Jones

[Enigma]

(01-13-2018 06:55 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

The goal is not to go Hitler, but to simply deal with jews like you would any other separate, distinct ethnic group. I want people to look at jews like they look at sauds or chinese. If chinese suddenly dominate whole swaths of business, then people take notice, rethink their politics and laws. If jews do it, no one knows.

The problem however is that jews historically have never been content at just dominating at business like the chinese in Asia. They are not even content to be the ruling class, again like the chinese in Asia. They seem determined to destroy, kill, corrupt and otherwise denigrate white christians at every chance.

Porn, prostitution, overpriced diamonds, transatlantic slavery, basically every kind of societal ill is dominated by jews. Prove me wrong.

To Aurini's point, it's like saying the drug addict is to blame for their own behavior. Technically that is true. In reality the drug peddler is exploiting genetic weaknesses in the brain chemistry, notable dopamine. The jews have historically operated like this. Observing the gentiles, figuring out their inherent weakness, then exploiting it for profit.

Perhaps it woud be easier to think of mainstream jewry as a supremacist movement, a real one at that.

I don't want to derail this thread, but this is blatantly wrong.

The Chinese have been engaged not only in economic warfare but proxy wars with the US for over half a century. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Not to mention direct invasions of India and Vietnam.

They created communist insurgencies all over Southeast Asia.

They provided arms and valuable trading with Islamic slavers and pirates for centuries.

They currently pump drugs into Southeast Asia.

They encroach upon the sovereign territory of their neighbors, while constantly threatening them via proxy (NK).

Meanwhile ethnic Chinese control nearly every economy in Southeast Asia, not to mention their disproportionate representation in Western business, real estate, universities, etc.

Lately I've begun to wonder why the "Jew aware" crowd are not just blind on China but actually spread Chinese propaganda.

Why is Israel's role in WW2 (rightfully) criticized but there's no mention of how US opposition of China's occupation by Japan helped drag us into the war?

[Super_Fire]

(01-16-2018 07:43 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(01-13-2018 06:55 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

The goal is not to go Hitler, but to simply deal with jews like you would any other separate, distinct ethnic group. I want people to look at jews like they look at sauds or chinese. If chinese suddenly dominate whole swaths of business, then people take notice, rethink their politics and laws. If jews do it, no one knows.

The problem however is that jews historically have never been content at just dominating at business like the chinese in Asia. They are not even content to be the ruling class, again like the chinese in Asia. They seem determined to destroy, kill, corrupt and otherwise denigrate white christians at every chance.

Porn, prostitution, overpriced diamonds, transatlantic slavery, basically every kind of societal ill is dominated by jews. Prove me wrong.

To Aurini's point, it's like saying the drug addict is to blame for their own behavior. Technically that is true. In reality the drug peddler is exploiting genetic weaknesses in the brain chemistry, notable dopamine. The jews have historically operated like this. Observing the gentiles, figuring out their inherent weakness, then exploiting it for profit.

Perhaps it woud be easier to think of mainstream jewry as a supremacist movement, a real one at that.

I don't want to derail this thread, but this is blatantly wrong.

The Chinese have been engaged not only in economic warfare but proxy wars with the US for over half a century. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Not to mention direct invasions of India and Vietnam.

They created communist insurgencies all over Southeast Asia.

They provided arms and valuable trading with Islamic slavers and pirates for centuries.

They currently pump drugs into Southeast Asia.

They encroach upon the sovereign territory of their neighbors, while constantly threatening them via proxy (NK).

Meanwhile ethnic Chinese control nearly every economy in Southeast Asia, not to mention their disproportionate representation in Western business, real estate, universities, etc.

Lately I've begun to wonder why the "Jew aware" crowd are not just blind on China but actually spread Chinese propaganda.

Why is Israel's role in WW2 (rightfully) criticized but there's no mention of how US opposition of China's occupation by Japan helped drag us into the war?

I don't know about the other anti-Judaisers on here, but Israel and China are the two major threats in the world today, in my mind, aside from homegrown far left lunacy. We just haven't been discussing China as much lately.

Good last point, though.

[Enigma]

(01-16-2018 08:09 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

I don't know about the other anti-Judaisers on here, but Israel and China are the two major threats in the world today, in my mind, aside from homegrown far left lunacy. We just haven't been discussing China as much lately.

Good last point, though.

To be clear, I'm not accusing nomadbrah or anyone here of being an actual shill for China, I'm just pointing out what I've noticed, which is a pervasive false narrative regarding China and the Chinese diaspora that can only be explained with high levels of propaganda.

There's a difference between not discussing China and going out of one's way to bring them up as an example of a people who haven't engaged in destructive foreign policy, cultural subversion, slave and drug trading, etc., when that couldn't be further from the truth.

The Chinese diaspora's inconsistency in exerting political and cultural vs. economic influence is not a product of not trying. They've tried again and again, destroying a lot of countries in the process, forever prospering from the suffering, death, and enslavement of their neighbors.

[Super_Fire]

(01-16-2018 08:57 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:09 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

I don't know about the other anti-Judaisers on here, but Israel and China are the two major threats in the world today, in my mind, aside from homegrown far left lunacy. We just haven't been discussing China as much lately.

Good last point, though.

To be clear, I'm not accusing nomadbrah or anyone here of being an actual shill for China, I'm just pointing out what I've noticed, which is a pervasive false narrative regarding China and the Chinese diaspora that can only be explained with high levels of propaganda.

There's a difference between not discussing China and going out of one's way to bring them up as an example of a people who haven't engaged in destructive foreign policy, cultural subversion, slave and drug trading, etc., when that couldn't be further from the truth.

The Chinese diaspora's inconsistency in exerting political and cultural vs. economic influence is not a product of not trying. They've tried again and again, destroying a lot of countries in the process, forever prospering from the suffering, death, and enslavement of their neighbors.

To be fair, if it's long enough ago we tend to glorify far-reaching empires.

That said, the modern Chinese empire is the gamma male of empires, as others have stated, which makes it all the more repulsive.

I think the Chinese threat, and the Jewish one, are easier to compartmentalize and store away in the mind for people, because they are more abstract than say the Muslim threat. The latter is very concrete and visible to people, but it's secondary to the greater and more dangerous Israeli and Chinese problems.

[Aurini]

One of the points I've repeatedly made to race-focussed Alt Righters is that their balkanization plan for America would result in Chinese domination.

China is already working on dominating Canada (watch this video by Rebel Media - it mentions the Chinese government structurally genociding Tibetans) - and if the US were to break up into ethnic enclaves, the Chinese government could easily play one against the other, gaining control over both.

If we in the West* don't hang together, we'll all hang separately.

*And I'm including your average Chinese/Jewish/Black person who's North American in there.

[911]

China has no history of modern empire, they've only recently started setting up shop in Africa. Their colonization model there, turnkey infrastructure projects in exchange for raw materials, is more beneficial for the locals.

China has been horribly exploited by the Anglo/western oligarchs for centuries, they pushed opium on that country and created over 10 million addicts, inflicting incredible damage on that society. In the middle of the 19th century, the East India Company was pumping into China the equivalent of 10 times the current global production. A lot of the Anglo-American great family fortunes, were built on pushing opium on China. Universities like Yale, McGill and most Ivies were built on this opium drug loot. You don't have to be a PC cuck to realize that this was a very insidious form of colonialism.

Then you have the Rape of Nanjing, and the brutal Japanese occupation. The Chinese have a chip on their shoulder for a reason. They're becoming the local bully in their neighborhood, but they've also helped that neighborhood grow, being the leading global economic engine. As well, their imperial ambitions are limited to their hood.

For countries like Canada or say Angola, having China as a competitor to the US allows them to extract maximal value for their resources, if they play their cards right. The main economic harm on countries like Canada and the US has been self-inflicted, with our rulers selling out their middle class and outright scuttling our industrial base in aggressive globalist outsourcing schemes. China's rise wasn't entirely organic.

I believe in the golden rule, predatory behavior by large countries on smaller ones is evil. By historical and recent standards, China's imperial policies have been relatively benign. Tibet is nothing compared to Iraq, Libya, Honduras and so forth. The US has nearly 1000 bases abroad, vs a half dozen for China.

The picture is not that clear cut though, the problem is when we speak of "the US", we're really talking about the oligarchs which run the country, for their own interest, and more often than not, against that of its citizens. This is why I don't look at this in black and white, The West vs The Yellow Peril frame.

And to bring this tangent back into the fold of this thread, there is the fact that most recent US wars and interventions have been made for the benefit of Israel, it's a parasitic relationship. China on the other hand seems to be guiding its foreign policy and projecting power mostly for the benefit of its citizens, through commerce and economic activity. China is run by oligarchs as well, but their interests are more aligned with their people's.

The other mitigating factor for China is that they don't run culturally subversive campaigns on foreign countries. Their "soft power" is minuscule relative to their economic weight.

It's a pretty complex issue, this post doesn't come close to covering the bases, need to address it with a wider framework here, like the fact that our societies are converging with China in a technocratic dystopia. Bottom line is that we need not look at China or Chinese people as the enemy, it's not a zero sum game. As people we are getting trapped into the same type of matrix and I would guess there is a lot more cooperation between their rulers and our oligarchs than we think.

[Tactician]

As far as I can tell, the Chinese are pretty 'honest' about their greed and willingness to spread their empire. You can expect them to act in their best interests, even if it's through underhanded ways.

Likewise, CCP propaganda is pretty blatant.
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Why the (((Jews))) - I'll use the ((())) to denote the subversive elements of the Jewish population, not regular people who happen to have Jewish blood - are so infuriating is because they are uniquely overrepresented in pushing media that we would consider degenerate or subversive.

These (((Jews))) were the ones behind ideas we consider morally-bankrupt. Communism, Feminism, SJWism (more or less reform Judaism), and a very solid chunk of those anti-white + anti-male articles you see have Jewish authors. The (((coincidence))) arose because there are SO MANY of them.

Further, it's considered fringe and racist to bring up Jewish domination of the media or how some of the most culturally subversive movements are started and backed by Jews. They'll shame you for it.

You really can't compare this to the Chinese AT ALL when it comes to cultural subversion. You can certainly find areas where Chinese are overrepresented and also a detriment to the host country, perhaps real estate, but these areas are perfectly fine to discuss and, indeed, there is plenty of open and mainstream criticism about them; it isn't taboo.

Back to the Jews. Half the reason why the (((Jews))) are infuriating in this regard is because of their hypocrisy. They flit back and forth between being Whites and being Jews based on convenience, and if you point these things out, then you're anti-semitic. They engage in psyops and shame you if you try to do anything about it. Also, it's annoying how many decent people, such as Evangelicals, swallow Israel's bullshit hook-line-and-sinker, even though Israel doesn't care about these groups (China doesn't have this sacred cow status in the West or anywhere that isn't China).

The other half of the reason why the (((Jews))) are so aggravating is that they are trying to break down structures that might be considered fundamental to humanity. Traditions that have literally been around for thousands of years. Things like male-female relations or the nuclear family. Things that, when broken, seriously fuck someone up on a 'spiritual' or psychological level. They'll shame you out of wholesome impulses (e.g. finding a quality non-slut wife) and make you feel hated as a person ("you're a fucking white male"). There is something seriously soul-destroying about this kind of subversion. Something that might be 'evil.'

Contrast this to the Chinese. The Chinese are mostly just a bunch of greedy motherfuckers. They'll go do their stem cell research, buy up a country's real estate, take over Africa, and destroy an economy or two through trade deficits and de-facto slave labour, but they're pretty up front about it and you know they're playing to win. They're just trying to take your money, not damn your immoral soul. BIG DIFFERENCE.

The Chinese are like a big stab wound that's gushing blood everywhere and screaming for attention, but you know the game they're playing and you can try to beat them at it if you're up for the challenge. It's a problem, but it's a problem that yells, "Behold! Here am I!" - In a way, it's kind of honourable.

On the other hand, the (((Jews))) are more like an infection. There's something there, and you don't feel quite right, but you can't put your finger on it. Is it this disease? Or is it that one? You don't know, but you're slowly getting worse and you're slowly withering under its burden. And worse of all, you don't know how to confront it head on.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the thing about the (((Jews))) is that you're not really sure why they're doing all of this. With the Chinese, it's fairly plain to see that they want more money or power or something along those lines, but with the (((Jews))), you start to wonder if they're just cruel. It's, dare I say, creepy.

I mean, if you read the criticisms and explanations of ((())) behavior around these parts you'll see that the explanations aren't simple. You run into ideas such as "weakening a host population through diversity to prevent being kicked out under a united Nationalist regime" - a 'defensive' motive - to ideas like "importing a shit ton of Muslims to Germany because in the 20th Century Germany fucked up and now Germany must PAY the blood sacrifice we REQUIRE" - a motive based on revenge.

Like, do you see how strained some of these explanations have to be? If the Chinese are just greedy, could it be that ((()))s are just evil? I sure hope not, but it's a much simpler way of looking at it!

Julius Evola once commented regarding the authenticity of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that it didn't matter whether it was a forgery or not because 'there was something true there.'

Likewise, I'm starting to think it doesn't matter why ((()))s act the way they do; their methods are morally broken and sinister as fuck and it's a good idea for the West to be aware that there's a problem. I think ((())) is a step in the right direction.

Anyway, that's why I think ((()))s are a pretty different problem from the Chinese.


*Full disclosure, I'm half-Chinese so there might be some bias here. On the other hand, I can feel their ancestral CHINESE GREED coursing through my veins so I know what their motives are.

[Super_Fire]

((())) are anti-Logos. That's why they do everything they do, they're at war with Christ, Christianity, and by extension the West. Their god is subversion and their messiah is a Zionist.

The Chinese are out for themselves. They have no god anymore, so they've made money their god.

[godfather dust]

The Jewish Messiah is the Antichrist.

[Super_Fire]

(01-17-2018 03:41 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  

The Jewish Messiah is the Antichrist.

Yes; they thought Simon bar Kokhba was the Messiah, and he made Mohammed seem like a nice guy. Sentenced Christians to death, killed any Jew who wouldn't join his rebellion, asked all his solders to cut off one of their fingers, and was just generally an irrational, messed up dude.

That's the closest they've come to a Messiah in their estimation in the past 2,000 years. He was such an embarrassment that the vast majority of people have probably never heard of him, and the Talmud (being one big piece of revisionist history) tries to walk back the fact that the Jews thought this guy was the real deal.

[Enigma]

(01-17-2018 01:44 AM)911 Wrote:  

China has been horribly exploited by the Anglo/western oligarchs for centuries, they pushed opium on that country and created over 10 million addicts, inflicting incredible damage on that society. In the middle of the 19th century, the East India Company was pumping into China the equivalent of 10 times the current global production.

Meanwhile, in the 19th century, Chinese were arming Islamic slavers in Southeast Asia.

The Chinese now control the economies of the same countries where they once participated in the taking and selling of natives as slaves. Funny coincidence.

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Then you have the Rape of Nanjing, and the brutal Japanese occupation. The Chinese have a chip on their shoulder for a reason.

Who cut trade with Japan during their occupation of China? Who liberated Asia from Japan? Who risked their lives to save Chinese civilians in Nanking and elsewhere?

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I believe in the golden rule, predatory behavior by large countries on smaller ones is evil. By historical and recent standards, China's imperial policies have been relatively benign. Tibet is nothing compared to Iraq, Libya, Honduras and so forth. The US has nearly 1000 bases abroad, vs a half dozen for China.

This is totally ahistorical.

Research China's role in North Korea and the Korean War, Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, etc. That says nothing of their early alliance with the Soviet Union and what they were likely complicit in on that front.

China easily had one of the MOST destructive foreign policies of the 20th century, and that's saying a lot considering all of the other shit that went down then.

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The other mitigating factor for China is that they don't run culturally subversive campaigns on foreign countries. Their "soft power" is minuscule relative to their economic weight.

Another completely ahistorical comment.

China funded, armed, and trained communist insurgencies and coups/attempted coups all over Southeast Asia just within the last half of the 20th century.

Again, the fact that their plans did not work out like they hoped does not change the fact that they tried, causing enormous loss of life and turmoil in the process.

By the way, you use the 19th century opium trade to justify China's actions. How many wars did Tripoli declare on America during the 19th century? We had plenty of causus belli to slap Libya back to the stone age, by your standards.

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It's a pretty complex issue, this post doesn't come close to covering the bases, need to address it with a wider framework here, like the fact that our societies are converging with China in a technocratic dystopia. Bottom line is that we need not look at China or Chinese people as the enemy, it's not a zero sum game. As people we are getting trapped into the same type of matrix and I would guess there is a lot more cooperation between their rulers and our oligarchs than we think.

As I pointed out above, notice that he heaps blame on Israel, the US, CIA, etc. but will not condemn China on anything. It's one thing to be neutral or apathetic on China, but another thing entirely to go out of your way to defend them.

Invading Vietnam and India, contributing to the deaths of tens of millions, creating insurgencies and overthrowing governments in over half a dozen countries, controlling the economies of all your neighbors, engaging in numerous proxy wars, etc. are just a bunch of benign coincidences.

The Chinese are a friendly merchant folk fighting the evils of European colonialism. Dey dindu nuffin.

To be clear, I am not "defending" Israel nor Jews. I'm simply bringing attention to a very interesting coincidence.

[Enigma]

(01-17-2018 01:57 AM)Tactician Wrote:  

Anyway, that's why I think ((()))s are a pretty different problem from the Chinese.

Sure, there are plenty of differences, like the fact that Han Chinese make up roughly 18% of the world's population.

Look, the point of my post wasn't to claim the Chinese are more subversive than Jews or even to compare them.

I simply addressed a post about China that was very inaccurate and brought attention to how common this anti-Israel/pro-China worldview is.

Personally, I am not "anti" either people or country, but they are both most certainly a threat in their own way, and anyone who thinks Chinese propaganda is not incredibly prevalent in the West need to open their eyes.

To put it in the context of this thread and the wider forum (((discussion))), try viewing China and their treatment by Washington/the media through the lens of a rift between Reform and Zionist Judaism.

[Transsimian]

(01-17-2018 04:38 AM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 03:41 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  

The Jewish Messiah is the Antichrist.

Simon bar Kokhba was the Messiah, and he made Mohammed seem like a nice guy. Sentenced Christians to death, killed any Jew who wouldn't join his rebellion, asked all his solders to cut off one of their fingers, and was just generally an irrational, messed up dude.

Now I feel like all those kids named Adolf.

[nomadbrah]

Relevant to the Chinese jew discussion:

China has now begun using jewish tricks against Japan.

Japan NEEDS immigration from India if it is to survive.

Of course, the Chinese are FULLY aware that jews run the US.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and...sh-studies

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Do the Jews Really Control America?” asked one Chinese newsweekly headline in 2009. The factoids doled out in such articles and in books about Jews in China—for example: “The world’s wealth is in Americans’ pockets; Americans are in Jews’ pockets”

It's also why my patience with deniers of the jewish agenda is wearing thin.

At this point you have to be willfully obtuse, weak minded or outright lying to not admit to it.

Case in point: Russia-Insider has 10 million views a month and just published this:

http://russia-insider.com/en/its-time-dr...oo/ri22186

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Most people know about, but few are willing to condemn, the strict taboo in the media, of criticizing Jews as a group, using that term. One cannot even criticize a small subsection of Jews, a miniscule percentage of the Jewish population, even when they richly deserve it.

Obviously, this is a ridiculous way to run a publication whose object is to get to the truth, so I am writing this to explain why, from now on, the pages of Russia Insider will be open to articles which fairly and honestly address the influence of Jewish elites, including pointing out when it is malevolent, which it often is, and try to understand it and explain it, with malice towards none.

I have become convinced that unless we break this taboo, nothing will improve in the human catastrophe unfolding in geopolitics. Millions have died over the past 30 years, and if we want it to stop, and to avoid a cataclysm which seems to approach inexorably, we have to have the freedom to criticize those responsible. It is very clear to me, as it is to many others, that much of the guilt for this comes from Jewish pressure groups, particularly in the media.

The bolded is what needs to get into every thinking man's head.

[Wutang]

When I was in university and taking a Chinese language class, I had a instructor with was a TA from mainland China. It's not uncommon for professors or adjuncts/instructors to break up class time by just chit chatting about random topics. A lot of the things she brought up was benign and vanilla but I do recall hearing a few times where she would bring up controversial topics.

One time she asked the students from mainland China to raise their hands and than asked the Taiwanese ones to raise their hands. After this, she proceeded to go into a short monologue about how Chinese needed to stick together and how we're all one people blah blah blah. I'm guessing a lot of the Taiwanese in the class room (about half) didn't take kindly to that.

Another time she started talking about Jews and asked if it was true that they controlled most of the economy of the United States. From the way she was asking, she didn't seem to be aware at all that this was a touchy topic; she seemed genuinely curious about whether this fact was true or not. The taboo that most people in the West have about discussing anything related to Jews even if its benign and not about Zionist banker conspiracies isn't in effect in the Far East. I know mainland Chinese have a reputation for being uncouth and crude but a positive side effect of this is that don't really care about speaking in a way befitting of "polite society" which means they aren't going to shy away from topics most Westerners would. The lack of PC culture there also means that they really can't understand why people would get rustled over certain statements that to them are perfectly innocuous.

[Prufrock]

(01-17-2018 07:14 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Relevant to the Chinese jew discussion:

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