[Rush87]

(01-09-2018 02:08 AM)911 Wrote:  

I disagree, Rush. Oprah has built a media empire precisely because she understands people.

She has spent the last 30 years in front of a camera nearly every day so she knows how to talk, read a teleprompter, spout bullshit people want to hear and use NLP to tug on heartstrings. She has one of the strongest media personality brands out there, if not the strongest, way bigger than Cuban, The Rock or Ventura.

I get the celebrity factor, I just don't buy the premise that Trump won 'because he was a celebrity'.

In the greater scheme of celebrity pre running, Trump would have been what? D grade. I fail to see how she'll be anything more than a face for the DNC. What will she bring outside popularity?

If her Golden Globes speech is anything to go by, she'll be just as, if not more divisive than Hillary.

Popularity wanes fast without a message which brings me back to: If shes just a popular face for Democrats, what do the Dems have to offer that they didn't in 16'?

[Conscious Pirate]

Trump didn't win on celebrity factor. I scoffed at him throwing his hat into the ring like every other "woke" dude.

Trump didn't win because he is Trump. He won because of what he represents to actual Freedom. I don't think many people actually understand what Freedom is, or if they do, it scares the shit out of them - that's their own neurosis. If "Western Democracy" even lived up to half of it's promises, Trump would have been waved away with a chuckle & a sideways glance.

Trump won because the state of affairs are so dire that we all (those who know what we are actually dealing with here) said "yep. Bring in the battering ram & smash the current collective psychosis. Then we can rebuild."

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Latinopan]

[AnonymousBosch]

(01-08-2018 09:22 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:51 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Possibly. Two years is a long time.

Even though she's a Globalist? I mentioned this sort of thing ages ago:



If that clique does go down in America, she'll go with it.

Trump has a similar hand placement when he sits.

I've pointed out his Satanic / Freemason / Mystery Babylon signalling before. No-one wants to hear it.

[CynicalContrarian]

Other factors.

- Trump may well be spurned on to MAGA even more than he intended. Providing an even smaller platform for Oprah to run on.
- The Democrats may well double if not triple down on political correctness to their even greater ruin.
- The current anti-Trump REEEsteria will die down after two years should the status quo improve.

Oprah would be wiser to wait until 2024 when Trump can't run.

[Syberpunk]

(01-09-2018 05:17 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

[Guitarman]

Trump had good solid policies to make his country great again that he is now enacting. Obviously he needs another term to get shit done.

What are Oprah's policies??, does she even have any other than being black and a woman????

[redonion]

Oprah has no shot at winning, and won't run because she knows this. The only reason she's being championed right now is because liberals are dumb and think they found their black, female ticket to the White House.

Donald Trump is not being given enough credit in this thread. Trump didn't run for President on a whim, and Trump didn't win the Presidency just because he was some famous TV star.

Trump had been planning his Presidential run for 30 years. You can see it in his old interviews. His twitter timeline (pre-2016) shows his stances on many political issues. He wrote a great book, Crippled America, that outlined his solutions to problems that he had been thinking about for many years. Trump won on the issues, not because people recognized him from TV.

Trump is also a political genius. Have we all forgotten about Scott Adam's blogging during the election? He continuously put his opponents in lose-lose situations while putting himself in win-win situations, then he skewered them. Even during his Presidency, you can see that he is a political force. He's not some hack that just "connected with the people" to back into the Presidency.

Oprah has not shown even a fraction of the political passion that Trump had shown prior to running. If liberals think she can hop in and run on "woman's issues" and win, they're delusional. Despite what MSM wants you to believe, nobody really cares about that. When push comes to shove, people care about jobs, money, and security above all else, and you can't beat Trump there.

As Fisto mentioned, her as a VP might be a threat. In the VP role she can just keep her mouth shut and act as a magnet for the minority vote.

[TravelerKai]

Oprah is a VP threat and even then, the main candidate better have enough to overcome her issues.

Her Downsides:

1. No kids
2. Rumored gay
3. Ultra liberal socially (would need to move to the center more)
4. Zero experience
5. Billionaire
6. Hollywood
7. Atheist/Not Christian (Not even good at faking it either like Obama)
8. Card Carrying Illuminati Member, with powerful Jewish backers (some libs won't like this)
9. Several Black ministers/preachers cannot stand her. (They likely won't say much though)

I said it before, I think white women (especially liberal ones) are too racist to let her get to the WH first before one of them do it.

If you think Hillary Clinton was polarizing, Oprah is even more polarizing than her, especially with men. I actually would not expect a 90% vote by black men for her. Many with Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) will out of spite of Trump, but with the economy roaring and blacks doing really well now, plenty more black men will vote for Trump instead.

Trump needs 15-20% black vote to make it the same beating he gave Hillary. Not all black men are stupid enough to forget that Oprah is a very large reason why black women are more feminist than white women. Not all black men forgot about that stupid ass movie Precious. Even Tavis Smiley's blue pilled ass did not like that movie and questioned that narrative, incurring Oprah's wrath. She can forget about any Hotep/woke brother votes. Probably no 5% or black Muslim vote either.

Oprah declared war on black men for decades.

Why forget about all that now? Because Trump has "racyiss supporters"? That is the epitome of foolishness.

If Oprah got 90+% of black vote, I would say that black men in America are a lost cause for redpill thinking. Older blacks in the 45 and older range will vote for her near 90% or higher, because they voted for Hillary the same way and pro-gay/anti-family agenda is something they ignore these days. They just support anything black. Atlanta Man is in that demographic or close I think, so that is not a surprise there.

Anyway, Oprah would need to do alot of work on the ground to fix those issues, THEN she needs to find a way to unify all the liberals, THEN solidify Dem party leadership. I'm not so sure certain leaders in the Dem party (ahem Nancy) would let her just take over like that. Nancy is stupid, but she isn't THAT stupid. No president has ever been elected since the television age that was childless. James Buchannan was the last and he died in the 1860s. Your average American is not impressed with Angela Merkel, which is what Oprah would essentially be.

The Dem leadership want a winner, even if there are no winners out there right now. A Kamala Harris and Oprah ticket is not enough to pull moderate white women away from Trump. They will need to return to a white male of some kind, and Bernie is not going to cut it either.

Question for you guys: Do you think Oprah can buy enough political consultancy in two years to write up enough plans and solutions to be ready to battle Trump on issues like Alpharius posted about?

I am going to say no, and the reason why is because even the top Dems in the House and Senate do not have good plans either. Trump is spitting solutions fast like Twista the rapper, even on Twitter. That means alot because he is constantly focused on the issues. Incumbent presidents are very hard to remove, especially if the economy is doing very well.

[Duke Castile]

I am not worried about Oprah in the slightest.

Some of you are giving her far too much credit imo.

What is she going to run on? Promising to lock up Pres Trump?

Bernie 2.0?

While Pres Trump understands and connects with regular people Oprah can barely hide her resentment of regular people.

Ever see someone try to give her a hug? She is repulsed by people.

Right now she has fabricated a thin veneer of being for women, being “fair and reasonable” and compassionate.

That all goes away as soon as all the stories of her paying men more, her pimping women to powerful men, her not caring for blacks (Obama style) and her extreme leftist policies that will include open borders comes out.

She is a female that has been propped up the same as Hillary was and has forgotten the reason she’s risen.

I hope she does run, I am not worried at all.

[bgbusiness]

I would say that Mark Cuban has higher chance of becoming the president compared to Oprah if he does run.

[nomadbrah]

Oprah is the double down on the Obama coalition candidate.

More of the same.

I don't know if TK is correct about white women, I think they might think the opposite here, that she can turn some boomer white females, who voted for Trump.

#metoo is now obviously going to be mobilized to get white women back on the democrat wagon. It was actually middle age white women who elected Trump this time compared to Obama.

Trump is going to have to deal with fake votes. Then he is going to need a massive turnout of Gen Z white voters.

[Number one bummer]

I don't see this thread breaking 2000 pages...

I pray that she runs. She is a very beatable candidate and further highlights the leftist "throw a minority/woman out there" platform. Oprah would be the culture war 2.0 and Trump would win it easily. He might even win the male black vote, Oprah is everything wrong with black women in the US.

[C-Note]

[TravelerKai]

Put it this way. Can she even beat out all the other Democrats in the primary? Money cannot buy everything. Trump should not even bother attacking her until she can even do that. Some junior House member might give her a spanking in the debates during the conventions.

She and Zuck might wind up looking silly when actual Democrats slaughter them on issues on stage and during the first conventions. What about when voters ask them questions and get terrible non-answers?

If the entire Dem field is full of empty suits, it will be a slog, and they will have terrible momentum by the time they get past the nomination.

The Republicans do not have to beat each other up in a primary. The Dems will be lighting each other up and looking bad in the process, and Trump will be laughing and writing down his jokes 2-3 months before the debates.

Fisto and Redonion are right about something though. Open Borders platform is a loser platform. Like extremely loser. No Dem right now or liberal is willing to adopt even a small piece of Trump's platform. The economy jumped and jobs are on fucking fire right now. Why? Essentially because of the closed borders and taxes! That's not counting the safety factor on terrorism. Women like to feel safe. White folks have not forgotten about Kate's murder either.

How do you win a mayor race easily? Lock up thugs and promise to throw away the key.

Politics is psychology, not mere entertainment. RedOnion is right, Trump deserves alot more credit and people like Oprah are not giving him any credit coming in like this amatuer style.

[nomadbrah]

Forgot about Zuck.

What a team Zuck and Oprah.

Reminds me Trump also needs to move on making Facebook critical infrastructure.

[redonion]

The stubborn dimwits that underestimate Trump and insult his intelligence will continue to be the gift that keeps on giving.

"Well, if stupid orange buffoon Trump can do it, then surely Oprah/Zuck/Michelle would easily win. I mean come on, Trump watches TV all day and misspells things on twitter!"

I'm glad that this forum prioritizes self-reflection. Being able to adapt your views and realize you aren't as smart as you think you are is an invaluable trait.

[C-Note]

Looks like Oprah can save a lot of money on campaigning, since CBS is apparently ready to manage it for her for free:

[TravelerKai]

@Cnote

The media will make it look like she is polling and riding higher all the way until the end. Expect lots of popularity poll talk and they will try to post it up against Trump's approval ratings (the bullshit ones that stay under 45%).

When you have nothing to offer, all you have is hype.

[Mercenary]

(01-09-2018 05:49 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:22 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:51 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Possibly. Two years is a long time.

Even though she's a Globalist? I mentioned this sort of thing ages ago:



If that clique does go down in America, she'll go with it.

Trump has a similar hand placement when he sits.

I've pointed out his Satanic / Freemason / Mystery Babylon signalling before. No-one wants to hear it.

[911]

(01-09-2018 07:30 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  

Trump had good solid policies to make his country great again that he is now enacting. Obviously he needs another term to get shit done.

What are Oprah's policies??, does she even have any other than being black and a woman????

What were Obama's policies?

"Issues" are important, but the average voter is swayed a lot more by more superficial personality aspects, mainly the personal connection candidates manage to establish through the media package they present. That's what makes Winfrey such a strong potential candidate.

(01-09-2018 02:16 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

...

If her Golden Globes speech is anything to go by, she'll be just as, if not more divisive than Hillary.

Popularity wanes fast without a message which brings me back to: If shes just a popular face for Democrats, what do the Dems have to offer that they didn't in 16'?

Obama and Trump both won on being perceived as Washington outsiders, running against "same old" politicians. Oprah brings that quality (even though she's an estblishment tool like Obama). She's got those elements of Obama and Trump, but packaged for a larger demographic.

Oprah would only need 6,000 votes to flip Michigan, and 14,000 votes for Wisconsin, which Obama won by over 400,000 votes in 2008. Look at that razor-thin strip running from Michigan to Pennsylvania, this was the result in 2016 with the most abrasive and obnoxious possible candidate the Dems could have lined up, the tiniest shift to the left in those 4 swing states, and the election flips:



We're looking at Trump from our biased perspective as his natural constituency of woke males, I'm just saying that we need to look at the big picture here, this is not about how much we prefer Trump over that cow, that's not much of a debate.

It's about Oprah as a potential candidate. Objectively speaking, she is probably the worst possible challenger for Trump in 2020. Running against Trump would neutralize all her downsides, the fact that she's an arrogant celebrity billionaire with no political experience.

[nomadbrah]

Steepled fingers is a confident hand position either done from genuine confidence or taught to increase confidence. Like shoulders back, chin up.

Nothing freemason or illuminati about it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spy...-the-hands

Quote:

Steepling is important to get your point across that you feel strongly about what you are saying, it is probably the most powerful display of confidence that we possess.

[ElFlaco]

I'm open to voting for Oprah (hope that's not a bannable offense)

[Number one bummer]

(01-09-2018 05:49 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:22 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:10 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:51 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Possibly. Two years is a long time.

Even though she's a Globalist? I mentioned this sort of thing ages ago:



If that clique does go down in America, she'll go with it.

Trump has a similar hand placement when he sits.

I've pointed out his Satanic / Freemason / Mystery Babylon signalling before. No-one wants to hear it.

[Mercenary]

(01-09-2018 01:06 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

I'm open to voting for Oprah (hope that's not a bannable offense)