[HankMoody]

This is basically a summary of a conversation I had last night, and one I had today.

"Hank, have you ever seen Sex in the City? Wasn't it great?"
"Honestly, I think it was terrible, and it ruined the lives of many women."
"What? Why do you think that?"
"Because the message was basically that women can party and sleep around for years, and then at the end of the day end up marrying a rich alpha."
"Why can't they?"
"Because no rich alpha is going to wife up a women who has spent her 20s and 30s sleeping around."
"What if she's intelligent, interesting, and fun? Why does her past matter? Are you that shallow?"
"You're not going to like this, but here is reality. Most men want to date a woman who is young, feminine, and attractive. A woman's ability to debate politics, which are usually liberal and emotionally charged anyway, isn't exactly valued. What we do value are women who would be loyal wives, good mothers, and queens of our household. A fancy college degree, strong political opinions, and a "good job" are cool, but they don't generate any sexual attraction for me. Personally, if I ever got married, it would be to a woman who wants to stay home, raise kids, and go to the gym."
"Oh my God Hank! I always knew you were sexist, but that's so sexist!"
"Well, let me couch it to you like this. Do you date short guys?"
"No."
"And that's the beauty of America. You're free to do whatever, and whomever, you'd like. You're free to disqualify short men. But at the same time, I'm free to disqualify women as potential wives who have had too many partners. I'm not judging your choices, or anyones choices. However, I am going to make my choices about the women I choose to invest time into, based on the life I envision for myself. You're free to do the same."

Needless to say, the women I had this discussion with were less than thrilled.

However, at the end of the night, both of them gave me kisses on the cheek and said "I still love you, you chauvinist pig."

Do you guys ever open up to your female friends and talk red pill? Or do you just sit back and listen to their idiotic feminist liberalist, emotionally charged banter?

[pancakemouse]

I talk about the rough concepts, but I never mention the word red pill or the manosphere.

Most of my female friends nod their heads when discussing the rough concepts.

Honestly, when I read about a lot of the conversations guys are having with their female friends, I really think they just need more intelligent friends. I tend to keep a friends group that is pretty red pill in general. It helps.

[StrikeBack]

Never really with female friends (more like acquaintances in social situations), except with humour, and they already thought I was so sexist. I only purposefully did this with dates in order to assess how suitable they would be for a serious relationship. I never used any PUA or Red Pill lingo, just regular language that anyone can understand. I did not talk in a complaining or negative way. I did not preach lengthily to them because I was not interested in a debate or teaching them anything. I was simply making a statement and leading, to see if they would follow. Example: "A relationship is like a dance. There needs to be a masculine leader and a feminine follower, for the dance to be beautiful. Else it is just an ugly mess."

I disqualified most with that, until I met my wife. And now we talk about these things daily.

The kind of things Hank Moody is talking about to his female friends should really be reserved for male friends, unless for some reason you want to treat women in your life like men. Because equality, I suppose.

[HankMoody]

(12-23-2017 06:19 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Never really with female friends (more like acquaintances in social situations), except with humour, and they already thought I was so sexist. I only purposefully did this with dates in order to assess how suitable they would be for a serious relationship. I never used any PUA or Red Pill lingo, just regular language that anyone can understand. I did not talk in a complaining or negative way. I did not preach lengthily to them because I was not interested in a debate or teaching them anything. I was simply making a statement and leading, to see if they would follow. Example: "A relationship is like a dance. There needs to be a masculine leader and a feminine follower, for the dance to be beautiful. Else it is just an ugly mess."

I disqualified most with that, until I met my wife. And now we talk about these things daily.

The kind of things Hank Moody is talking about to his female friends should really be reserved for male friends, unless for some reason you want to treat women in your life like men. Because equality, I suppose.

I am kind of thinking I should have just changed the subject, to be honest.

[Atlanta Man]

Women I know would become enraged if they knew how I actually felt. The only women I really deal with that I am not fucking are women I work with and relatives. I really do not like women enough to deal with them outside of sexual situations on my free time, I would rather do something fun. I do not hate women, I just do not like them-so "red pill" conversations with them do not really happen. Most women I deal with that I am not fucking and not related to get a fake "blue pill" guy that is my public representative.

Once I was around a young 26 year old professional dude who was a virgin. I was warning him about women's real nature unaware that our female colleague could overhear us-about 5 minutes into the conversation she burst into the room and began to chastise me for "corrupting" him. This poor bastard had spent his whole life getting perfect grades, studying and focused on his career that he never got laid-even worse he dated a girl for a year and she never fucked him. Of course hearing that I had to warn him, so she heard the unvarnished truth coming from me to him and she never looked at me the same way ever (or treated me the same way either). So yeah, no red pill for women "friends".......

[Mr. D]

Very rarely, and even then I steer clear of the "red pill"-nomenclature.

[Kid Twist]

At this point in western culture, you can barely tell women of your kin the truth. That's how bad the lies have been, and for how long.

Usually it ends up coming to a topic that most people (and especially women) immediately relate to their own life experiences, instead of looking at the statement as a general or universal truth. As such, they take it as an insult, since the truth is that they were lied to, got duped, something didn't work out, etc.

They usually don't want to take accountability for it, or if too late, admit that they made a mistake and as result, the world has bestowed them the honorary title of "catlady".

That's usually not the kind of conversation I'd call productive. Trust me, my no BS constitution hates to admit it as I've done it probably too many times --- shit ain't worth it though.

[debeguiled]

(12-23-2017 06:40 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I am kind of thinking I should have just changed the subject, to be honest.

Probably.

Most of them already know this stuff, but it freaks them out when a man does too.

What they want to do is drug you, tie you to a chair so you wake up to a harsh light in your face and a woman standing over you demanding:

"Where did you get this information?'

[crunkpopeye]

It's very tempting to "spread the gospel" once you're enlightened but resist the temptation. You're not going to make her "see the light". I recall reading an article "Why you shouldn't explain female nature to women" and it made perfect sense.

I'll go "diet red pill" with a small handful of female friends that I've known for over a decade only because we trade very honest dating stories. You can only keep it so real with a woman.... regardless of her intelligence, career, looks, etc you sorta have to protect women from themselves to a degree if that makes sense.

Just like Atlanta Man stated, sometimes I'm tempted to give some game to a lame but eventually you just have to be content with maximizing your own situation. When they are REALLY ready, the path will reveal itself.

[questor70]

(12-23-2017 06:40 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I am kind of thinking I should have just changed the subject, to be honest.

Not necessarily. You said stuff you knew would polarize her. It shows you have integrity and balls of steel. It also sounds like the modern, more brazen version of the conversation about whether men and women can be friends in When Harry Met Sally.

Women usually put that movie at the top of their romcom list. So at some point women get that Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus, even though they don't really want to accept it.

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Where it's risky is if the woman involved is a slut or post-wall, even without saying it, you're tearing her down. You have to come at it from the context that you think she's in the clear. Then she won't feel as threatened. Most women are somewhere in the gray area so it might come across as a strong neg.

[Cr33pin]

I only speak in red pill..... its the only language I know

[doc holliday]

I tend to give my red pill opinions regularly to women I encounter be it friends, girl friends ,relatives, even my ex wife. Here's the thing, with women I'm dating, I use it as a shit test, to see if they're cool enough to deal with me. Quite frankly I don't want to date a feminist and I don't want to hang around with feminist women so I just put it out there, two fucks given. Maybe its luck, maybe it's an effective screening tool, whatever, but most women I encounter and give these opinions to react pretty positively for the most part. They tend to agree with me that feminism has failed a lot of women and that it's ended up confusing too many men. There are more women out there that are coming to the realization that feminism is not good and I think its important to recognize that and start influencing them. The other thing I love doing around some women is ragging on fat chicks. This really gets their hamsters going but again, tend to end up agreeing with me in the end. I refuse to pretend that I'm some sort of male feminist and I wish more guys would speak up and speak out.

[CleanSlate]

Of course I do. It’s common sense to them.

Well, I live in Asia so that’s easy for me to say. Western women would get easily offended.

[Tytalus]

I just talk carefully about "what scientists say" because most RP truths are validated by science. Or anthropologists, or psychology etc. I keep it clean and general. It's amazing what you can get away with.

That said, try not to talk about these things too much. It does come across the wrong way.

[debeguiled]

(12-24-2017 10:07 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:40 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I am kind of thinking I should have just changed the subject, to be honest.

Not necessarily. You said stuff you knew would polarize her. It shows you have integrity and balls of steel. It also sounds like the modern, more brazen version of the conversation about whether men and women can be friends in When Harry Met Sally.

Women usually put that movie at the top of their romcom list. So at some point women get that Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus, even though they don't really want to accept it.

Here is a classic video that proves your point. This guy goes around a college campus asking if men and women can be friends. All the girls say yes, and all the men say no.

The girls all pay lip service to something they don't even believe in, because it has utility for them.

Now watch what happens when the guy presses them and starts asking harder questions.

He is good at this.

The girls don't seem hurt or confused.

They seem like they just got busted.

[Roardog]

I don't bring it up but I've put my views forward before in relevant conversations. Normally the girls politely disagree with me or just shake their heads and go "oh roardog, if that's what you want" .
In a mainly centre left friendship group my right views are politely tolerated

[just a human]

I can't have any female friends, because man and woman can't be friends. I am interested to meet only women that I like, but when I really like, I want to fuck. If I like her, but she don't want to fuck, I don't try to meet her, because I don't want to be in friend zone! I have never been friendzoned in my life. With plates and random girls who sometimes visit our house parties to drink before going out - I sometimes say some red pill things. Depends on situation and my mood.

[Suits]

Female friends?

[BadgerHut]

I don't, not directly at least - but I use my knowledge to create stronger connections with female friends by showing I (sort of) understand how they are thinking. E.g. a gal complains she's kind of not into her boyfriend lately. I'll drop "let me guess - he's getting 'too nice'?" Or hell, usually it's not even that, she'll say she's upset with her bf, I'll say "do you find yourself not that into him lately?" Then we get to the panty-dryer stuff. "I bet you'd rather he put his handprint on your ass." Her eyes will flash briefly with deep understanding and a split-second of desire.

You can use this shit on your non-romantic female associates in all sorts of ways that don't include trying to logically persuade her that today's social order is bass-ackwards.

[Fortis]

No, why would I? I might hint at truths and knowledge, but I wouldn't blow the lid off. Women don't value this information in that way that we do.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Not really.

There's a fine line, though. When you mention things that are cathartic for women to hear because it just cuts straight through to the heart of the matter, they don't tend to mind hearing stuff like that, and often see it as a breath of fresh air (ie, pointing out that 'women don't like needy behavior it's and turns them off'). However that's much different than saying 'women shouldn't have the right to vote and faggots aren't cool'.

I've said both (more or less) and, yeah, two wildly different reactions.

[Mufasa]

I was drinking so I don't remember how we got to this but she said she was a catch.
I proposed to her that most women have got attraction wrong because most are narcissists and lack empathy. that they think they are attractive to men based on what they find attractive in men. Rarely does a women put her self in a man's shoes and think about what a man finds attractive.
She didn't quite get it so I asked her why she thought she was such a catch.
I have a good job, I'm funny, I'm ambitious, I'm intelligent and can hold a conversation, etc. I asked her if those are all things she looks for in a man "definitely" she said. In that moment a light bulb went off.
I asked her what she thought I found attractive in women--she struggled a bit before saying I'm kind, I can cook, etc. It was kind of funny I could tell she was just reading off a traditionalist check list but as least she was kind of getting it. It was a little bit of a blow to her ego as well

Also +1

[RatInTheWoods]

Don't mention the war.

Nothing good can come from that conversation.

Also, "female friends"? Either you want to bang them (in which case saying that is not going to get you laid) or they want to bang you - (in which case saying that will change them off you)

[EndsExpect]

(12-25-2017 04:06 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

I was drinking so I don't remember how we got to this but she said she was a catch.
I proposed to her that most women have got attraction wrong because most are narcissists and lack empathy. that they think they are attractive to men based on what they find attractive in men. Rarely does a women put her self in a man's shoes and think about what a man finds attractive.
She didn't quite get it so I asked her why she thought she was such a catch.
I have a good job, I'm funny, I'm ambitious, I'm intelligent and can hold a conversation, etc. I asked her if those are all things she looks for in a man "definitely" she said. In that moment a light bulb went off.
I asked her what she thought I found attractive in women--she struggled a bit before saying I'm kind, I can cook, etc. It was kind of funny I could tell she was just reading off a traditionalist check list but as least she was kind of getting it. It was a little bit of a blow to her ego as well

Someone should have this exact conversation with every woman in the country.

I think Hank Moody having "rep pill" conversations with women is just going to come across as him being a Republican Ahole. You can't convince them of anything they don't want to believe.

I mean what percentage of the male population under 40 is blue pill? 60%, 70%? These are the guys whos theme song is like "I'm in love with a stripper". When I was blue pilled beta... I literally forced myself into dating women that had fucked more dudes than an 80 year old escort. I had to tell myself shit like... "she's been with the whole football team, baseball team, a whole sumo squad on her summer trip to Japan, and even fucked the team mascot Peppi the Porpoise, but she CHOSE to be with me so I must be better than all that" I mean that's literally how blue pill guys think. Most guys are still blue pill... so things are stacked in favor of whores.

What I realized through hard, hard experience... is that women who sleep around become nuts. It literally drives them crazy. Maybe they were crazy before, but if you find a woman that has really been around, she has some kind of mental disorder guaranteed.

(12-25-2017 07:37 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Don't mention the war.
Nothing good can come from that conversation.
Also, "female friends"? Either you want to bang them (in which case saying that is not going to get you laid) or they want to bang you - (in which case saying that will change them off you)

To everyone saying that Men and Women can't be friends... there are certain circumstances where friendship is possible.

My best friends wife is a great example. Even if she showed up in my house naked... I would just kick her out. She is really hot, but I'm not that thirsty. Similarly there are a good chunk of female friends who I simply am not attracted. I've got one in particular that is way to "plus size" for me but she is a great business contact and is perhaps the only woman I know who is truly funny.

[torridon747]

Iceburg Slim and a razzle dazzle say the same things about women who have taken a lot of dick. Each cock they take drives them closer to insanity. Consciously I think it's because they are accepted for sex but rejected for anything more - talk to a woman about being "ghosted" after sex, it bothers and hurts them so much you can see it on their eyes if you ever get on that level and talk about it and the conversation gets personal and emotional real quick. Subconsciously I think it's similar but when a woman has sex with a man subconsciously she's committing to a baby. Baby doesn't come, guy doesn't stick around, or hypergamy convinces her she has better options and to gently abandons old prospects. This is actually some form of trauma, and trauma is the typically the source of mental illness. A lot of it is self inflicted. If psychology wasn't inundated with women and PC liberals this stuff would be a more widely recognized phenomenon. With our current culture of you-go-girlism and promiscuity we might see this old traditionalist wisdom go more mainstream after the next cultural pendulum swing but I wouldn't bet on it. Luckily there are still some girls that instinctively know this or have seen it happen enough times via proxy to be weary of carouseling too hard.

They never truly "get over" things like that. They just cope with it. Partially because they lack the ability to admit fault and only can submit to outside forces (fate, the universe, some asshole, my friend, etc). Strong men blame themselves and refuse to submit to such silly notions, they improve themselved and work on identifying their failures and fixning them, and they truly move on. Eventually all the different coping mechanisms manifest themselves in what we call crazyness or insanity. It becomes a giant tangled mess of mental gymnastics, illogical blame, personal rationalizations that only they can understand. Women call this baggage, we call it damaged.

The more cocks a girl has had in her the crazier they are guaranteed. Pair bonding is probably wrecked and with that comes flightyness and all other sorts of attributes that make for an unsuccessful ltr.

For the record I don't think men and women can be friends and not fuck - ironically enough- without some great divide. Smv point difference, threat of social circle ostracization, consequences in general. A lot of times that's not even enough. I strongly believe if you put a man and woman in a room with an smv point difference of < +-5 for long enough they will fuck; No matter what. It's no surprise people often find their spouses in places they are forced to be at - school/work/etc. Exposure is enough to get you laid sometimes. Stockholm syndrom also gets a notable mention, effecting almost exclusively females.

Edit:

I try my hardest not to lay down or point out red pill truths to females anymore. I dont even like discussing it. Some will accept it if you candy coat it but it doesn't ever really matter. I won't change their nature just by pointing something out. Sometimes I'll ask hard questions in a female friendly prose to try to verify what I already think I know. Any more than that is counter-productive and raises their defenses more.