[Suits]

(11-27-2017 10:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:35 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

...

No interest in marrying. I have a live-in GF and we have a child together. There will come a day when we seperate though.

How do I benefit from marriage? There's nothing in it for me, it's a legal bond to a depreciating asset.

And you thought auto loans were a bad deal...

You might be someone incapable of genuine pair bonding. It's not entirely abnormal. If you have a child of your own blood and you literally speak in casual terms of walking out then you're probably somewhere on the shallow end of the sociopath scale, and I say that analytically, not emotionally.

But if that's the case then you have to realise that you're an abnormality in the species and it should come as no surprise that in time your life will become a foreign one to all those around you.

He's not.

I've met plenty of well adjusted men from this forum who are perfectly capable of pair-bonding and genuinely interested in doing so, but are intelligent enough to be aware that entering into a contract of indentured servant-hood under the authority of a woman is not a smart play.

(11-27-2017 10:49 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Different strategy same tactics.

Not true. Different goals, different tactics.

(11-27-2017 10:49 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Most of my friends...and most of my friends are naturals...would do just fine if they wanted to go hit some random hot puss. They'd rather keep their marriage together.

I doubt this conversation is about a world where the only two options are to cheat on your wife or to not to cheat on your wife. Some guys are single, unmarried and therefore incapable of cheating on their wives.

(11-27-2017 10:49 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Being a man is something for which we must all strive. How we're getting laid is just a choice, random babes or baby-momma.

Ya! We should all man up!

(11-27-2017 10:04 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

You might be 100% focused on getting pussy, but if you don't keep you eyes open to what's going on around you then you are stupid. Feminists are pushing for new rules regarding sex that are going to land you in prison sooner rather than later, or fuck up any hopes you have on a solid career. If stuff like implied consent laws and dudes losing jobs over mere accusations doesn't scare you... then I would like to know how you believe that you are above all this? When you fuck some Tinderella who has a husband and to save her marriage claims you raped her... What happens then? How do you plan to deal with the woman who gets upset after you ghosted her and decides her LMR equates to a No, and that now you raped her?

Also for those schmucks living in Europe... you are going to have millions of thirsty ass Muslim guys competing with you soon. Just as soon as they learn the language they will be trying to fuck the same girls you are... and their sisters and daughters will be off limit virgins. Just imagine how 10,000 extra thirsty dudes can blow up an area and make your life miserable... now imagine 2 million of the fuckers.

This isn't US immigration where you get hard working Latin dudes and hot as shit Latinas all wanting to join the party. These are hardline militant mutherfuckers who openly disdain your culture and believe your women are whores.

These are real and valid concerns, but discussing them to no end doesn't fix the problem and participating in "red-pill" Twitter hashtags does nothing.

Getting Trump elected is a drop in the bucket. The best thing a man can do is insulate himself from all negative eventualities by developing himself in a number of important ways.

First step, don't be a broke individual (whether married or single) dependent on more successful people in order to get a job and generate a living.

[EndsExpect]

(11-27-2017 11:16 PM)Suits Wrote:  

These are real and valid concerns, but discussing them to no end doesn't fix the problem and participating in "red-pill" Twitter hashtags does nothing.
Getting Trump elected is a drop in the bucket. The best thing a man can do is insulate himself from all negative eventualities by developing himself in a number of important ways.
First step, don't be a broke individual (whether married or single) dependent on more successful people in order to get a job and generate a living.

I completely agree with you Suits.

Marriage is pointless, but lets be honest if you have kids most of the same rules apply whether you are married or not. You don't get a reduced jail sentence for not paying child support if you just shacked up with her for 10 years.

Getting Trump elected is pointless. I don't think people on this site had anything to do with that anyway. Republicans had like 20 candidates and each one of them could have beaten Hillary, by probably greater margins.

The only way to get real change is to create a special interest group that gets government funding and that spends it's time lobbying for men. That is about as likely as Kim Jong Un becoming the worlds greatest NBA player. A good chunk of that impossibility is most guys in America are still battling over racial issues like stupid twats. Meanwhile the feminists get to eat our lunch and make our lives suck with anti-rape laws that criminalize all sex.

[yankeetravels]

I kind of feel the same as OP sometimes. I'm an early 20's guy that's definitely in the newer generation of this forum. Lurked in 2016, joined in 2017. The RVFers I met from here were all at least 5-10 years older than me, sometimes more. About half have settled down with foreign girls.

The point I'm getting at is they are more established members that are in a further stage in life. I am kind of just beginning my adulthood and redpill life. I got the feeling when I checked back here in 2017 that the RVF crowd was approaching the settling down stage, you can tell because there's a family section now and the forum for the most part does not have notch/stat sheets anymore.

But I am of the agreement that we need to have notch and stat sheets here again for girls. I don't think datasheets are enough to satisfy this, I think threads we openly discuss notches and stats on them really need to make a comeback here. I did not get lured into this forum at first because of the politics and family section.

As a guy fresh out of college, the thread here that lured me in was 20nation and Fisto's unbelievable datasheet on the Philippines. I still consider it the most beautiful piece of work I've read on this forum. That thread alone forced me to take a serious look at my life and question if I had enough. I decided because I read that thread that I could do better for myself. So I joined the forum and booked a six week vacation to the Philippines, traveling solo abroad for the first time. I had some ups and downs, but the Philippines changed my world, I got with more girls at once than I ever had before by far in my life and I also had a mini-LTR with one of the best girls I've ever met there.

It's great that this forum has opened up to new and perhaps more mature topics, it really is. I think it's very important we get more involved in politics and that we have older guys on the ground in the 40+ thread and family section to prepare us for a road to success for when/if we want to settle down in a hostile environment for it in this society.

However, I think we need threads like 20nation's to keep attracting the younger generation. We need these notch and stat thread like his or even kaotic's that he puts out at the end of the year that represent good masculine goals and give yourself an honest review on girls you've been with. We need these threads to keep the younger members coming because they need to see the reward for taking in more knowledge and information from us. Girls are the easiest way to get that across and Roosh has said himself that Game unlocks the door to a path of success in life. We need to celebrate this.

Maybe it's because I'm younger, but I truly do enjoy the notch and stat sheets. We get to analyze the girls we've been with and others have been with, celebrate our success, and maybe even realize we can be pushed to do even better. And at the end of the day, it could motivate other western males just entering the adult world to get out there, take the redpill, and see there's other doors to success they never even thought of.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-27-2017 11:16 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:53 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:35 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

...

No interest in marrying. I have a live-in GF and we have a child together. There will come a day when we seperate though.

How do I benefit from marriage? There's nothing in it for me, it's a legal bond to a depreciating asset.

And you thought auto loans were a bad deal...

You might be someone incapable of genuine pair bonding. It's not entirely abnormal. If you have a child of your own blood and you literally speak in casual terms of walking out then you're probably somewhere on the shallow end of the sociopath scale, and I say that analytically, not emotionally.

But if that's the case then you have to realise that you're an abnormality in the species and it should come as no surprise that in time your life will become a foreign one to all those around you.

He's not.

I've met plenty of well adjusted men from this forum who are perfectly capable of pair-bonding and genuinely interested in doing so, but are intelligent enough to be aware that entering into a contract of indentured servant-hood under the authority of a woman is not a smart play.
...

I get what you're saying, suits, but this has nothing to do with the woman and everything to do with the child.

Being able to casually infer that you'll walk out on your own child when that lifestyle becomes inconvenient is not "well adjusted" and for all civilised peoples it is a severe abnormality.

Views about marriage are irrelevant in that regard. The vast majority of civilised people feel severe and inherent guilt about separating when they have a dog, much less a child.

[Steelex]

You can be in your child's life just fine without being with the mother. That's not that big of a hurdle.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It is to the child.

[HankMoody]

My life in the manosphere...

I came here looking for advice. How to dress, how to act, and basically how to bang chicks.

After some practice, I got pretty fucking good at it. Banging chicks isn't rocket science. I could probably write a post and boil down all of game into something relatively comprehensive. I write my current posts for you newbies, and dudes looking for some basic advice, like I was a few years ago.

All that side, banging vapid chicks gets boring. It's all the same. After awhile, it just felt like I was reading from a script.

From there, you start to wonder if there's more to life than just smashing smuts.

Then you realize there is...

[Suits]

(11-28-2017 12:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

All that side, banging vapid chicks gets boring. It's all the same. After awhile, it just felt like I was reading from a script.

From there, you start to wonder if there's more to life than just smashing smuts. Then you realize there is...

So, then don't bang vapid sluts. Bang girls you actually like.

Pretty simple stuff.

Men acting like they've achieved Buddhist enlightenment just because they got bored with banging unremarkable women is very soy.

All it says is that you haven't grown enough as a man to achieve satisfying sexual results with women that are uniquely qualified to be a part of your life.

It's not like the only two choices available are (1) bang boring sloots and (2) marrying a five.

[EndsExpect]

(11-28-2017 12:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

From there, you start to wonder if there's more to life than just smashing smuts.
Then you realize there is...

... smashing married smuts!

[HankMoody]

(11-28-2017 12:34 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 12:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

All that side, banging vapid chicks gets boring. It's all the same. After awhile, it just felt like I was reading from a script.

From there, you start to wonder if there's more to life than just smashing smuts. Then you realize there is...

So, then don't bang vapid sluts. Bang girls you actually like.

Pretty simple stuff.

Men acting like they've achieved Buddhist enlightenment just because they got bored with banging unremarkable women is very soy.

All it says is that you haven't grown enough as a man to achieve satisfying sexual results with women that are uniquely qualified to be a part of your life.

It's not like the only two choices available are (1) bang boring sloots and (2) marrying a five.

Most smuts are vapid.

I've cut down quantity and gone for quality lately.

[Suits]

(11-28-2017 12:44 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 12:34 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 12:27 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

All that side, banging vapid chicks gets boring. It's all the same. After awhile, it just felt like I was reading from a script.

From there, you start to wonder if there's more to life than just smashing smuts. Then you realize there is...

So, then don't bang vapid sluts. Bang girls you actually like.

Pretty simple stuff.

Men acting like they've achieved Buddhist enlightenment just because they got bored with banging unremarkable women is very soy.

All it says is that you haven't grown enough as a man to achieve satisfying sexual results with women that are uniquely qualified to be a part of your life.

It's not like the only two choices available are (1) bang boring sloots and (2) marrying a five.

Most smuts are vapid.

I've cut down quality and gone for quality lately.

There you go. Problem solved.

[Hotline]

The writing that inspire me to think bigger, pursue more ambitious adventures in my own life, and broadened my horizons were the travel data sheets in earlier days of the form from personalities like GManifesto, Hencredible Casanova, Tuthmosis, etc.

It's like the parable of Roger Bannister and the 4-minute mile. I would have never thought to travel overseas solo but reading those accounts was enough to motivate me.

There are still a few of those threads that harken back to those days, from DigitalNomad, Vinny, Linux, etc.

It's too bad that the content is so deeply buried.

[Leonard D Neubache]

This thread might have started out on a relatively innocent note but it's touched on something extremely important.

Any man, from young players through seasoned swoopers, be extremely careful of losing your ability to bond with people selflessly and create genuine tribe.

Finding a wife and creating a family fundamentally involves abandoning any sort of petty points scoring system where you keep a mental tally of "what does this person have to offer me this day/week/month/year/decade."

The genetic instincts of humans are to build and cultivate tribe. Don't realise this too late. It doesn't matter what shiny new code of ethics you find on the internet or how many likes you get on an MGTOW forum. It doesn't matter if the dating market is currently nasty or the legal system is screwed. As the years and decades tick by none of those excuses are going to make that nagging void disappear.

[Kieran]

Some of these men getting into marriage / LTR and preaching how great it is need to come back in ten years when reality sets in and the attraction has gone on both sides, etc. Many have never been in a relationship more than two years, and yet all of a sudden are experts on LTR.

[Mufasa]

(11-28-2017 02:18 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

This thread might have started out on a relatively innocent note but it's touched on something extremely important.

Any man, from young players through seasoned swoopers, be extremely careful of losing your ability to bond with people selflessly and create genuine tribe.

Finding a wife and creating a family fundamentally involves abandoning any sort of petty points scoring system where you keep a mental tally of "what does this person have to offer me this day/week/month/year/decade."

The genetic instincts of humans are to build and cultivate tribe. Don't realise this too late. It doesn't matter what shiny new code of ethics you find on the internet or how many likes you get on an MGTOW forum. It doesn't matter if the dating market is currently nasty or the legal system is screwed. As the years and decades tick by none of those excuses are going to make that nagging void disappear.

Cant beat thousands of years of evolution.

But of course its going that way steelex. the fact that you have a live in girlfriend is evidence of this. Weather you're fucking around on her or not for whatever the reason is you have permitted her to claim you and visa versa.

And to be honest I think it stems from mastery of "true abundance mentality"
Players will typically refer to this as there are more fish in the sea, but i think as you become a more seasoned and efficient slaying machine you come to realize there are more fish in the sea and they will be right there where I left them"

This is kind of where I'm at with my current main girl.
I'd say that giving this girl my exclusivity in the past wouldn't have been an option. "I can find another one" I would have said. Today "I can find another one" is why this girl may become baestation. She is better than most girls and if it doesnt work out "I can find another one" because these hoes aint going anywhere.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-28-2017 02:23 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Some of these men getting into marriage / LTR and preaching how great it is need to come back in ten years when reality sets in and the attraction has gone on both sides, etc. Many have never been in a relationship more than two years, and yet all of a sudden are experts on LTR.

When I was 15 I didn't want to leave home and get a job because it seemed difficult and scary. Staying at home seemed safe and easy. It wasn't an option though so I moved out and got a job.

Several years later I'd learned about the joys of independence, work ethic, the fruits of my labours. I'll admit, I wasn't much of a ladies man though. Women still seemed above me and I figured I was better off with my on-again-off-again girlfriend. Eventually I got way too tired of her bullshit and...

...started fucking other girls, learning how to fuck even more and enjoying the attention of the women in my social circles (and the alpha status among the males that came with it).

Go back far enough and when I was ten I thought girls were annoying, a 'job' was an abstract concept and 'independence' was being trusted to brush my teeth.

I assume you can see where I'm going with this. What feels safe now isn't necessarily what you'll appreciate in five or ten years. Assuming that the apex of life is banging sloots, even when you're struggling to pick up 4's because you're 65 years old? Nah, brah.

Maintaining attraction is equal parts staying in shape and your mentality, although if you've spent most of your adult life banging fake 8's in nightclubs then you might have some psychosexual issues to work through in order to return to something approach normality.

[Dalaran1991]

People seem to forget this forum belongs to Roosh, and it more or less reflect his own journey and state of being.

If you are in your 20s, then there's nothing wrong with chasing pussy. Roosh did it in the early 2007-2010. Granted if you are exclusively on this path you might seek a different forum. People change.

For those who think you won't get tired of banging chicks at late 30s, just look at Roosh and how his writing change.

And I still don't see why people believe that marriage is the worst thing that can ever happen to you. For every divorce horror story I hear, I see an old 70s couple walking hand in hand, kissing, and stay at the other's bed when he/she is sick or dying. Dont get married with a fuck up woman and in a bad environment, dont get married when you are dumb. Problem solved.

Or just dont get married if that's your thing. But dont tell everyone else marriage is bad. Reminds me of the butthurt OP in the lifestyle thread saying how Europe absolutely suck for everyone.

[RatInTheWoods]

As you get older you worry less about notches and more about what kind of world you are leaving behind for your kids.

I've always been more interested in LTRs and pair bonds - I just can't understand you young lads happy to have another guy blowing a load into your FWB a day before you go down on her...

But this forum for me is a group of like minded individuals and there is a lot of wisdom on how to live like a successful man on here, regardless of the bang advice.

I like having me worldview and beliefs challenged by articulate and intelligent men of wisdom.

Its rare you can find a place with such honest and undistorted talk - a world away from the media and the drones who inhabit everyday life....

[Steelex]

(11-28-2017 04:51 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 02:23 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Some of these men getting into marriage / LTR and preaching how great it is need to come back in ten years when reality sets in and the attraction has gone on both sides, etc. Many have never been in a relationship more than two years, and yet all of a sudden are experts on LTR.

When I was 15 I didn't want to leave home and get a job because it seemed difficult and scary. Staying at home seemed safe and easy. It wasn't an option though so I moved out and got a job.

Several years later I'd learned about the joys of independence, work ethic, the fruits of my labours. I'll admit, I wasn't much of a ladies man though. Women still seemed above me and I figured I was better off with my on-again-off-again girlfriend. Eventually I got way too tired of her bullshit and...

...started fucking other girls, learning how to fuck even more and enjoying the attention of the women in my social circles (and the alpha status among the males that came with it).

Go back far enough and when I was ten I thought girls were annoying, a 'job' was an abstract concept and 'independence' was being trusted to brush my teeth.

I assume you can see where I'm going with this. What feels safe now isn't necessarily what you'll appreciate in five or ten years. Assuming that the apex of life is banging sloots, even when you're struggling to pick up 4's because you're 65 years old? Nah, brah.

Maintaining attraction is equal parts staying in shape and your mentality, although if you've spent most of your adult life banging fake 8's in nightclubs then you might have some psychosexual issues to work through in order to return to something approach normality.

Well let's be clear on something, getting ass is far from the apex of life. It's just a small aspect of it.

However when it comes to women I can't think of a reason for a guy to play it any way other than how he pleases.

There is no need to commit or settle down if it doesn't suit you. You can have multiple LTR's if you want, or none at all. Start a family or roll dolo. It doesn't matter.

Somebody mentioned above that the destiny of man is to create tribe or something. If that's your calling then great, you have your place as an alpha-herb. But to me the beauty of the red pill is that you march to the beat of your own drum, whatever that may be.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-28-2017 06:58 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

...
There is no need to commit or settle down if it doesn't suit you. You can have multiple LTR's if you want, or none at all. Start a family or roll dolo. It doesn't matter.
...

Fuck it. I have the despairing sense that this gets filed in the "why we can't have nice things" folder.

[Jetset]

I'm at least partially a believer in economic determinism. People are essentially opportunistic, and for every social engineering conspiracy theory out there that might be proven valid, there are two that are actually the inevitable result of circumstances. The increasing reluctance to marry and settle down is as much a part of that as anything else, due to birth control and a myriad of other factors. Like anything else, it won't change on a societal scale just because people agree that it's the right/nice/responsible thing to do. That's blue pill thinking. Until it's apparent that there's something in it for them, the pushback will tend to win.

...and it doesn't matter, because no matter how heroic we are in our inner worlds, we are not Godfrey of Bouillon, driving back the infidel hordes and carving the entire Kingdom of Jerusalem out of nothing. 80% of what will happen will happen whether you, personally, live or die. That isn't to endorse nihilism, just realism. It's a freeing thought that we don't actually have to worry about most of the shit that goes on.

It's absolutely possible to find the right woman and build a stable family, and I think that's a desirable thing. People do that. It's possible to marry and keep a couple women on the side, if you know how to choose wisely and manage the situation. People do that. It's also possible to stay in shape well into mid-life and travel and continue banging sluts. With the focus shifting away from the traditional nuclear family, there will be no shortage of appealing 35-year-olds on their first divorce when you're 45. People do that, too, and it's less than ideal to try to settle down at that point, but it's not going to stop anybody. No matter what you do, you're rolling the dice, and that's something we have to accept in life. It might not work out.

The point that I'm making is that we live in the proverbial "interesting times". Most of us have more options available to us than any of our ancestors, and most of us face choices even our living ancestors would have had trouble imaginging. Most men can't ask their grandparents about whether or not they should spend a year in Southeast Asia, because if their grandparents were there, it was on a gunboat. Leonard always mounts a courageous (and needed) defense of the traditional path, but I think the real takeaway is that everyone's plan is going to be a little different, and what matters is getting your head out of your ass, being aware of the situation you're actually in, and actually having a viable plan. Don't screw yourself out of an adventurous life if you want one, nor out of a family, and especially don't do it to serve some fantastic delusion that you're "saving civilization". Just be realistic that things may not work out, that your health and wealth will change over time, and that one day you are going to be old and tired. Put your happiness first, be honest about what that will look like, and whichever way you go, use the tools you've acquired here to manage your plates/girlfriend/wife/mistresses appropriately.

I enjoy the political conversations as much as anybody - even when they get a little weird - but that's ultimately my perception of what this forum is for.

[Conquerer7]

(11-28-2017 09:12 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

I'm at least partially a believer in economic determinism. People are essentially opportunistic, and for every social engineering conspiracy theory out there that might be proven valid, there are two that are actually the inevitable result of circumstances. The increasing reluctance to marry and settle down is as much a part of that as anything else, due to birth control and a myriad of other factors. Like anything else, it won't change on a societal scale just because people agree that it's the right/nice/responsible thing to do. That's blue pill thinking. Until it's apparent that there's something in it for them, the pushback will tend to win.

...and it doesn't matter, because no matter how heroic we are in our inner worlds, we are not Godfrey of Bouillon, driving back the infidel hordes and carving the entire Kingdom of Jerusalem out of nothing. 80% of what will happen will happen whether you, personally, live or die. That isn't to endorse nihilism, just realism. It's a freeing thought that we don't actually have to worry about most of the shit that goes on.

It's absolutely possible to find the right woman and build a stable family, and I think that's a desirable thing. People do that. It's possible to marry and keep a couple women on the side, if you know how to choose wisely and manage the situation. People do that. It's also possible to stay in shape well into mid-life and travel and continue banging sluts. With the focus shifting away from the traditional nuclear family, there will be no shortage of appealing 35-year-olds on their first divorce when you're 45. People do that, too, and it's less than ideal to try to settle down at that point, but it's not going to stop anybody. No matter what you do, you're rolling the dice, and that's something we have to accept in life. It might not work out.

The point that I'm making is that we live in the proverbial "interesting times". Most of us have more options available to us than any of our ancestors, and most of us face choices even our living ancestors would have had trouble imaginging. Most men can't ask their grandparents about whether or not they should spend a year in Southeast Asia, because if their grandparents were there, it was on a gunboat. Leonard always mounts a courageous (and needed) defense of the traditional path, but I think the real takeaway is that everyone's plan is going to be a little different, and what matters is getting your head out of your ass, being aware of the situation you're actually in, and actually having a viable plan. Don't screw yourself out of an adventurous life if you want one, nor out of a family, and especially don't do it to serve some fantastic delusion that you're "saving civilization". Just be realistic that things may not work out, that your health and wealth will change over time, and that one day you are going to be old and tired. Put your happiness first, be honest about what that will look like, and whichever way you go, use the tools you've acquired here to manage your plates/girlfriend/wife/mistresses appropriately.

I enjoy the political conversations as much as anybody - even when they get a little weird - but that's ultimately my perception of what this forum is for.

[Incubus]

I'm fairly new and an antique (age wise) perhaps my input to this thread can add another perspective

I find with any NEW post on the FORUM somebody goes down to the RVF vault and posts the old link and says subject has already been covered.

I think here in Canada the Eskimo's have something like 3,000 words to describe snow.

I remember when I was an electrical apprentice going into my boss's office and jokingly saying "I know everything about electricity" and the boss losing it on me "that'll I'll never know everything about electricity"

The world is constantly changing, kicking over old stones to find something relevant to today's changing world is kind of dull

People like to think they have a fresh angle or newer experience to share/investigate

Been there done that isn't a recipe for growth.

I really liked the the TV crime drama KOJACK ....WHO LOVES YA BABY!....in a perfect world (I guess to me) that TV crime drama should of been the end of all TV crime drama's.....not so!

Remember when you shoot the messenger make it a kill shot! Thank-you!

[HankMoody]

This is where I'm currently at...

After getting divorced, I was pretty adamant about being single. Why get tied up with one woman? In today's day and age, it's just a matter of swiping right and telling women your profession is "DJ". You know what's hard about being self employed, living in a major city, and having a few bucks? Not much. You can literally smash smuts on the daily when your game is on point.

On the other hand, I wonder if I'm leaving something on the table -- particularly not having kids. I'm left to wonder if a more meaningful life would involve a wife and children. I have oddly inconsistent Christian and conservative beliefs that completely contradict my playboy lifestyle. I'd probably prefer having a cute wife and a couple kids instead of smashing Tinder smuts every week. But thanks to feminism and "empowered women", smuts tend to be what are generally available.

Also, given my red pill experience, I'm not willing to invest much time and effort into a typical Western smut, or try and turn a ho into a housewife. I've seen too many naked girls in my bed send text messages to their boyfriends about how they spent the night at their sister's house, and they'll be home in an hour. Tee hee.

Upon reflection, often we find ourselves living in a culture of casual sex, no family values, and living among idiots who contribute nothing to society.

Hence, some of us have gone from posting about how to bed vapid Western women onto deeper stuff.

[Dalaran1991]

I think it's sad that there are so many dysfunctional families nowadays, and that discourages people who should have families, from having families.

We all came here through some personal pain. Some of us were cheated, divorced raped, rejected, humiliated. We came here and we learned to do better, and we have become better. Why is it that people are still afraid of something that should only scare a lesser version of themselves?

I was really scared of the dark and water when I was a kid. Now I like taking walks at night and love swimming. I was paralyzed by approach anxiety. Now I couldn't care less if the girl doesn't buy my pitch. It's her loss.

So why should some of you be scared of things you have overcome?

If you have truly discovered that single life suit you better, by all means keep banging.
If you are doing all this and try to persuade yourself single life is better, because you are afraid, and you can't face the pain of being divorced/cheated/hurt again, I think now you are stronger and more ready for family life than you were before.

Dont live in fear, either fear of missing out or fear of being hurt.