[a beer is enough]

(10-13-2018 09:20 PM)PakMan Wrote:  

Not sure where OP resides, but in NYC, brown guys don't really get any discrimination. I'm not aware of any sexually negative stereotypes for brown men, I think the only men with a stereotype working against them sexually is Asian men (east Asia). But I agree with a previous poster, a brown guy with a good social circle has an advantage if anything. I can't imagine there being a negative social status stereotype either considering that Indians and Asians have surpassed whites in median income. But then again, most of perspective is based on NYC, which I'm aware is not at all representative of the country as a whole. Just my $0.02.

No social circle even needed.

Just get in shape and get some great photos taken, a brown guy can absolutely kill it on the dating apps game in NYC. I do agree that in many parts of NYC, especially the hipster parts of Brooklyn, a brown guy can absolutely slay.

[tugofpeace]

(10-13-2018 08:59 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

From my very own experience with dating apps, what I have noticed going out to bars at night and the occasional people watching; Anglo and Northern European white women are probably the least discriminating towards high value men of different races.

This has been my experience as well. High value women (white, especially) are very open to dating Indians if they're well put together.

You just can't look like a cliche brown guy, you can't be weak, and you have to have self love.

[PakMan]

(10-13-2018 10:09 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 08:59 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

From my very own experience with dating apps, what I have noticed going out to bars at night and the occasional people watching; Anglo and Northern European white women are probably the least discriminating towards high value men of different races.

This has been my experience as well. High value women (white, especially) are very open to dating Indians if they're well put together.

You just can't look like a cliche brown guy, you can't be weak, and you have to have self love.

Completely agree. From my experience in gaming in NYC where you have women from all different backgrounds, I think lighter skinned brown guys have features that are considered universally attractive not to mention most of can pass for a variety of different ethnicities. I've gotten everything from Spanish to Italian to Israeli. There is probably some level of discrimination towards darker skinned brown men more so if they have that FOB style, so I'd reiterate other posters in advising you guys to focus on your intelligence, income, style and getting in good shape and you guys should do fine with the ladies.

[SLSlayer]

Girls who are travelling or living away from home are always far more open than local girls. Local girls have to keep their status in mind, and are aware of the fact that people they know will see them interacting with whatever men they meet in public. So they're guarding their reputations.

Also, foreign girls don't have nearly as many friends away from home, so they're going to be much more open to finding new ones, whether that means boyfriends, just friends, or beta orbiters, they'll be outwardly putting in effort to find people to talk to.

For ethnic guys, a foreign girl may be ingnorant of local hierarchies (very location and context-specific). A Toronto WASP girl may see a brown guy as “low value” and not want to interact with him, even if he comes across as well spoken and polished. A foreign girl who’s new to the city may be oblivious to this and judge the guy on his individual merits than his social value relative to his environment.

[quaker13]

I have a Indian friend born and raised in the states. He makes almost 200k a year and is a year or two out from turning 30. He has a few low level chicks but me and the rest of my buddies run circles around him. For starters he dressed like shit, well not like shit, but he dresses really avaerage. His body, while not morbidly obese, is flabby and lacking even the slightest indications of muscle town. This dude makes 50k more than me and is 10 years younger yet at this point he couldn’t in a million years pull the women I pull. Why? My presentation is 10 times better than him. In fact, I am more successful with Indian women than he is. He’s smart and bullheaded. He won’t take or accept any advice? He thinks he know women but really doesnt. It’s been said a million time money on its own doesn’t get women generally speaking. He doesn’t look like a high value male yet he feels entitled to high value women. There’s a lot of this in all PUA forums and doesn’t seem like Roosh’s is any different

[PakMan]

(10-14-2018 10:13 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

I have a Indian friend born and raised in the states. He makes almost 200k a year and is a year or two out from turning 30. He has a few low level chicks but me and the rest of my buddies run circles around him. For starters he dressed like shit, well not like shit, but he dresses really avaerage. His body, while not morbidly obese, is flabby and lacking even the slightest indications of muscle town. This dude makes 50k more than me and is 10 years younger yet at this point he couldn’t in a million years pull the women I pull. Why? My presentation is 10 times better than him. In fact, I am more successful with Indian women than he is. He’s smart and bullheaded. He won’t take or accept any advice? He thinks he know women but really doesnt. It’s been said a million time money on its own doesn’t get women generally speaking. He doesn’t look like a high value male yet he feels entitled to high value women. There’s a lot of this in all PUA forums and doesn’t seem like Roosh’s is any different

I have friends like that as well and though I respect them being humble about their incomes they have to realize that women can't know what isn't apparent. I'm pushing 30 as well and make close to that number as well, and though I don't flaunt it any manner, I do try to be well presented. And weirdly enough, I have noticed that I tend to get more positive responses from women when I'm dressed down than when I go out full GQ. Can't really explain that, just something I noticed. I think in every city, there are certain clubs/bars that are considered exclusive and just being there perhaps gives an indication of some sort of social status.

[a beer is enough]

I have mentioned in the Indian guy thread and I will mention it here too, if you have your shit together, white women should not be that tough for you to game. Of all the groups, I will say that white women and black women are probably the least likely to discriminate based on skin color alone if you have your shit together.

Every time I hear some brown dude whine about white girls being tough to game, I know he doesn't have his shit together or is in a city that is unbelievably tough for game. If you love white girls so much as a brown guy, just up your SMV (gym, clothes and game) and move to an area that is overwhelmingly white.

Other than white or black women, all other races of women care significantly more about skin color. If you are a dark skinned Indian guy, you're going to have a really tough time landing good looking Indian girls with a lighter skin tone and as for Middle Eastern women? Forget about it!

Latinas, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and Asian women care far more about skin color and racial stereotypes than white and black women do and I mean far far far more. I would argue that the typical Middle Eastern or Hispanic woman has a similar outlook towards race that an Eliot Rodger or someone on Stormfront does.

[jordypip23]

(10-14-2018 07:32 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I have mentioned in the Indian guy thread and I will mention it here too, if you have your shit together, white women should not be that tough for you to game. Of all the groups, I will say that white women and black women are probably the least likely to discriminate based on skin color alone if you have your shit together.

Every time I hear some brown dude whine about white girls being tough to game, I know he doesn't have his shit together or is in a city that is unbelievably tough for game. If you love white girls so much as a brown guy, just up your SMV (gym, clothes and game) and move to an area that is overwhelmingly white.

Other than white or black women, all other races of women care significantly more about skin color. If you are a dark skinned Indian guy, you're going to have a really tough time landing good looking Indian girls with a lighter skin tone and as for Middle Eastern women? Forget about it!

Latinas, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and Asian women care far more about skin color and racial stereotypes than white and black women do and I mean far far far more. I would argue that the typical Middle Eastern or Hispanic woman has a similar outlook towards race that an Eliot Rodger or someone on Stormfront does.

While I agree that Middle Eastern women are generally a tough cookie to crack due to their insular, patriarchal culture and all that, I disagree to a certain degree when it comes to Latinas. There are PLENTY & I mean an absolute shit ton of Latina women that will give a dude with a darker skin tone the time of day if he has swag.

[ausazn]

I can vouch for what has been said about white women and their care for how they are perceived by their friends when choosing guys.
Was out in Toronto last weekend with a couple friends (1 black guy, 1 brown guy and 2 white girls).

Brown guy and white girl ended up hooking up. I was outside in the smokers with both the white girls and the one that hooked up with my brown friend was asking both of us if we thought the brown guy was handsome, and she asked her friend if she thought he was cute and then asked the same question to my black friend when he came out.

She later then proceeded to whip out her phone and open up the group chat with her friends and wrote "guys i just hooked up with a guy. He's Indian. But he's hot."

It's sad that white girls (and even some guys have this problem) look at minorities and think "Oh you're attractive for a _____".