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On Style
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On Style

One of the most important aspects of game is style. It affects your ability to attract women, and how the rest of society views you. That guy in dad jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers isn't getting laid by anything except a hambeast.

Style is extremely important and can be done incredibly cheaply.

This is an excellent video to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zckciw8lD1k

The Basics - You need a theme to your dress

The first major key with style is congruency. Are you a high powered executive? A playboy? Blue collar millionaire? Tattoo artist? Urban lumberjack?

If you do something boring like IT, pick a style that fits you and own it. This is one of my favorite ROK articles:

http://www.returnofkings.com/52130/analy...archetypes

If you're in a job that requires you to meet with clients, you're going to have less freedom to bleach your hair like Guy Fieri or get tattoos. However, you can run a ton of suit and tie game.

Case in point -- the style that doesn't get laid is the one with no "theme" or congruency.

Your style doesn't need to reflect your job. You can be an accountant by day, urban lumberjack by night. An IT guy during the day, a country cowboy on the weekends. As long as your style has congruency.

Also, you can adopt several different styles and incorporate them. You might run day game in a suit and tie, and then night / weekend game in an entirely different style. Have fun and experiment.

I wear a suit and tie all the time, but on the weekends I'll throw on work boots, dirty jeans, a flannel shirt, my brown leather jacket, and blast country music in my giant black pickup truck (I love country girls). My buddy in finance wears suits during the day, and then on the weekends he dresses like a hipster and has tons of tattoos, because he likes hipster girls. You'd never know the guy was all tatted up during the week.

Your Style Dictates the Girls You Pickup

These are my field observations of what style get what type of girl...

Suit and tie / business casual: gold diggers / girls from rich families. Classy women who like to dress nice and be part of high society. Some of my friends are tatted up and manage to land hipster chicks by rolling up their sleeves. These girls want a white collar man.

Urban lumberjack: Hipster chicks with dyed black hair and tattoos. A lot of them are hot. Younger "hip" girls. Girls with tattoos. It really helps to pull this style off with tattoos. (Hipster girls think tattoos look hot on men, so they get them on themselves. Personally, I find tattoos, nose rings, and dyed hair very unattractive, but whatever).

Blue collar millionaire / Country guy: Country chicks, chicks that go to church, girls who like that Locash country life. Republican girls. "Country guy" style is my go to on the weekends because those are the girls I'm looking for.

Fitness oriented: Fitness chicks, and rich classy chicks (the ones who like to run, do yoga, and shop at farmer's markets). If you're jacked, you can just run around in tight shirts and jeans and these girls gravitate towards you.

Gangsta: Gangsta chicks, and white girls with daddy issues who want to be "bad."

Degenerate / DJ / Tattoo guy: Hipster chicks with tattoos, white girls with daddy issues, industry girls. Ripped jeans, an old Misfits t-shirt, tons of tattoos worn for three straight days at a time. Guys dressed like this get a lot of girls.

Tailor your style to the types of girls you want, along with where you hang out.

Suit and Tie Game

The game I run the most is suit and tie game. There are basically two ways to do this right.

- High powered executive (blue suit, red tie with a windsor knot, white shirt, cufflinks. Think Ari Gold)
- European (tight fitting, thin ties, usually "goofy" socks, colorful pastel ties, etc. Only looks good on very thin people, and people like me go "Is this guy gay or just a hipster?" Whatever, it gets girls).

Some basics...

Suit and tie game is easy. If you want to stand out, wear a navy suit, white shirt (french press cuffs with cufflinks), and a fresh pressed tie that is either pink, red, or blue (with some color - not a solid color like Trump does). The tip of your tie should reach your belt. Pink ties are the best for pickup, followed by blue. Red is better for business. I only wear white shirts with french press cuffs.

If you're slim / fit, everything should be fitted and tight as possible. If you're heavy, get stuff that is a little larger. Obviously, it's always better to bit slim and fit, but you can still be chubby and have mad style.

Accessories can make a big difference. A tie clip, cufflinks, and belt with a cool buckle make a good suit look great. Just remember to stick to either silver or gold based on your style. I never wear gold - only silver. Silver or chrome watch, silver cufflinks, silver belt buckle.

In my opinion, a watch is an essential component to a suit. You can buy a watch that stands out (like a big white Casio G-Shock, which is a form of peacocking), a big chrome watch, or something very simple and elegant. Most girls don't know if you paid $50 for that watch or $5000. My watch cost $1000, but it's self winding and a piece everyone asks me about.

In terms of etiquette, the bottom button of your jacket should never be buttoned. That one is always left open.

As for fit, three piece suits (suits with a vest) and regular suits look good on all body types. Short guys should never wear three button suits, and should always cuff their pants. Double breasted suits look good on tall skinny men, but not shorter or heavier men. If you're heavier, pinstripes make you look slimmer.

Finally, in terms of shoes, black wingtips go with everything. If you're wearing a black suit, only wear black shoes and a white tie. Navy suits are the most versatile and allow you to rock brown or oxblood shoes. Grey suits should be worn with black shoes. Tan suits go with oxblood, some brown shoes, and black shoes. Honestly, no one can tell the difference if your shoes are Florsheim or Cole Haan. Nicer shoes tend to last longer. Also, your belt should match the color of your shoes, and the buckle should be the color of your accessories.

But I'm poor

Just because your outfit is expensive doesn't mean it's stylish. I've picked up girls wearing my jeans from Cabellas and a flannel I found at Target.

You can actually get decent stuff at Nordstrom Rack, Foreman Mills (I picked up 3 pairs of Sperrys there for $30), Burlington Coat Factory, Marshalls, etc.

If you want to get designer clothing for a fraction of the price, consider going to a thrift store in a rich area. When I graduated law school and had no money, I'd to thrifting out in the richest parts of my state. I picked up a pair of Cole Haan shoes for $5 and had them resoled and shined, along with several high end dress shirts, ties, and suits. You'd be amazed at how some very wealthy people wear a suit one or two times and then just donate it to Salvation Army. Take everything to the dry cleaner, or figure out how to use an iron.

In closing

Build your wardrobe around a style that fits your personal, don't spend a million bucks, and watch how many more girls you start getting.
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#2

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Quote: (11-09-2017 12:16 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Your Style Dictates the Girls You Pickup

These are my field observations of what style get what type of girl...

Suit and tie / business casual: gold diggers / girls from rich families. Classy women who like to dress nice and be part of high society. Some of my friends are tatted up and manage to land hipster chicks by rolling up their sleeves. These girls want a white collar man.

Urban lumberjack: Hipster chicks with dyed black hair and tattoos. A lot of them are hot. Younger "hip" girls. Girls with tattoos. It really helps to pull this style off with tattoos. (Hipster girls think tattoos look hot on men, so they get them on themselves. Personally, I find tattoos, nose rings, and dyed hair very unattractive, but whatever).

Blue collar millionaire / Country guy: Country chicks, chicks that go to church, girls who like that Locash country life. Republican girls. "Country guy" style is my go to on the weekends because those are the girls I'm looking for.

Fitness oriented: Fitness chicks, and rich classy chicks (the ones who like to run, do yoga, and shop at farmer's markets). If you're jacked, you can just run around in tight shirts and jeans and these girls gravitate towards you.

Gangsta: Gangsta chicks, and white girls with daddy issues who want to be "bad."

Degenerate / DJ / Tattoo guy: Hipster chicks with tattoos, white girls with daddy issues, industry girls. Ripped jeans, an old Misfits t-shirt, tons of tattoos worn for three straight days at a time. Guys dressed like this get a lot of girls.

Tailor your style to the types of girls you want, along with where you hang out.

Yes, agreed. I posted outfits I wore on this forum a few months ago. Mentioned you in that thread. Someone else there suggested I'm giving off to much of a provider vibe.

I changed up, I wear more tight white t-shirts now, dark jeans, boots. Black t-shirts and a bomber jacket, with a necklace.

Less long-sleeve buttons downs, and more white t-shirts. Still have to get a good pair of distressed jeans.

I'm still using blazers when I want to dress up. Think this is good for any guy because a blazer can dress up or dress down. I mentioned a site I use to find great Italian blazers; the one I wear most often always gets compliments.

One thing that helps is to find a celebrity who dresses a certain way to model your style off, based on the categories you mention.

Urban hipster? Think Pharrell Williams does some good stuff.

Rockstar? Russell Brand.

Man in a suit? Pierce Brosnan might be a good one to model from. Other suggestions here too.

Country guy I don't know much country music but there's probably a good celebrity there that you could model your style off of.

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Good post, I need to upgrade my style. I love this exchange, when he comes out in the new clothes:

Player: Would you sleep with him?
Hot babe: Yea, probably
Dumb chump: You would?
Player: As soon as you opened your mouth, hot babe started doubting whether she wanted to sleep with you or not.

Bros, that says oodles of how women think.

The limit on my style is my office. It's really casual. As in my bosses, the owners, basically wear jeans and sweatshirts (not like champion sweatshirts, but close). And I basically wear jeans and collar quarter zips or Henleys.

Another guy in my office still wears casual pants (basically chinos) and collared shirts with a sweater. That's pretty much as dressy as it gets around here, unless we have client meetings (not terribly often).

Help.

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Quote: (11-09-2017 01:09 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Good post, I need to upgrade my style. I love this exchange, when he comes out in the new clothes:

Player: Would you sleep with him?
Hot babe: Yea, probably
Dumb chump: You would?
Player: As soon as you opened your mouth, hot babe started doubting whether she wanted to sleep with you or not.

Bros, that says oodles of how women think.

The limit on my style is my office. It's really casual. As in my bosses, the owners, basically wear jeans and sweatshirts (not like champion sweatshirts, but close). And I basically wear jeans and collar quarter zips or Henleys.

Another guy in my office still wears casual pants (basically chinos) and collared shirts with a sweater. That's pretty much as dressy as it gets around here, unless we have client meetings (not terribly often).

Help.

You're not trying to pick up chicks in the office are you? I don't think it matters too much what you wear to work. To Hank's point, figure out what kind of look you want to meet girls, and have items for that for the weekend.

But for work, I'd say find a couple blazers and pick one. A blazer can be made to look casual and fit into your office vibe, if you have a t-shirt underneath. I put a link in my other thread about where to get blazers.

Also, spend full price and get boots or dress shoes that you know will work. See the first post. See my thread about style from a few months ago. Nordstrom has a very generous return policy. It's worth going because you are getting something where if it doesn't work for you, you can bring it back.

Quote: (07-13-2015 04:02 AM)Suits Wrote:  
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#5

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TK Maxx are a Godsend. I've bought loads of cut price clothing from there over the years, including a pair of Cerruti 1881 suits for a total of £350.
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This isn´t about game, but in this thread there are probably some guys who really understand suits. I am leaving world of uniforms and entering world of civilian clothes. I am going to attend some job interviews and want to know if this combination is good.
I have only one suit, which is a little bit dark grey, a little bit "shiny". It looks similar to this:
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To this suit I have black shirt and usually wear no tie. The only tie I have is dark blue with thin silver stripes. Is it good combination and can I go to job interview with no tie?

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Quote: (11-09-2017 01:09 PM)heavy Wrote:  

Good post, I need to upgrade my style. I love this exchange, when he comes out in the new clothes:

Player: Would you sleep with him?
Hot babe: Yea, probably
Dumb chump: You would?
Player: As soon as you opened your mouth, hot babe started doubting whether she wanted to sleep with you or not.

Bros, that says oodles of how women think.

The limit on my style is my office. It's really casual. As in my bosses, the owners, basically wear jeans and sweatshirts (not like champion sweatshirts, but close). And I basically wear jeans and collar quarter zips or Henleys.

Another guy in my office still wears casual pants (basically chinos) and collared shirts with a sweater. That's pretty much as dressy as it gets around here, unless we have client meetings (not terribly often).

Help.

Out of question, what's to stop you from dressing better than everyone else?

I meet girls when I go to Starbucks for coffee, or sit somewhere and grab lunch. If I'm wearing a navy suit, white shirt with cufflinks, a loud but conservative tie, class ring, etc. a lot of times they'll come up to me and ask if I'm a lawyer.

I can understand not wanting to rock a suit when all your colleagues are dressed like schlubs, but I feel like khakis, a blue blazer, and a nice shirt (worn open) is appropriate for almost any work environment.
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Nice post, Hank.

I'd add just a few minor things:

A navy suit stands out relative to guys not wearing suits. But for chicks looking for suited up guys, it does the opposite - it blends in. I only run suit and tie w/cufflink game. Now, one can stand out with your accessories as you noted. I also agree with the never wear gold but that's just my personal opinion. Silver/platinum looks much better.

Congruency is always the key. Don't wear black suits, ever. Those are strictly for weddings, funerals and if you're the waiter in the establishment. N.b. Charcoal is not black.

I think the watch aspect is way overhyped around here. I also have a 1k swiss watch, and 2 classic timepieces I inherited. I have never seen any difference in girl's reaction whether I was wearing them or not, but certainly can be useful accessories. Girls just assume guys use their phones to check the time like they do.

Don't buy cheap, shiny suits. If you can afford it, get made-to-measure or bespoke. New clients can often get real nice discounts for made-to-measure because they know once you've ordered a couple you'll keep coming back esp as you earn more.

I wear all color suits and shirts and ties, carefully co-ordinated. A nice deep yellow tie looks great with many shaded of blue shirt. Tie and pocket square should not match, you're not Regis Philbin. You all know not to mix checks and plaids, right? Darker colored shirts are for nighttime.

Suit-shirt-tie should go from subtle to bold, or vice versa. A bold suit choice needs a quieter shirt and subtle tie. The bright orange, eye-catching, Hermes tie is for your subtlest navy suit.

Hank is again right when he suggests you should be dressing better than everyone else, esp at work.

OTOH, I have found no big differences in the types of girls who are attracted to me when I go out on the town suited up: rich, well-dressed girls, hipster/arty girls, casual jeans and boots college girls, tattooed girls, yoga fit girls. Opposites very often attract in pickup.
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Love a style discussion!

Basic black suit out = I work here...don't do it.

Personally, I don't do the grey suitlack shoes 'all the time'. The right color grey really pops with the proper color tan shoes. https://goo.gl/images/s9cs9y

Similar to a blue suit (vs. Navy)..although a blue suit isn't a wardrobe staple...it's an add-on once you get the basics in the closet. I like a good blue suit a LOT. Fresh and clean and stands out.

Well fitted is the key and you won't get that off the rack. You need someone 'in the know' to fit you and your body correctly.

I'm a big fan of pocket squares and interesting suit linings (girls always compliment the square and want to look atfeel the lining). This offsets my desire to NOT have a tie on and kitted up with the look. I'm in my 40s...tie in barclub isn't the thing for me no matter how many women want to play with it. They'll just annoy me and F it up with their dirty alcohol covered hands. Also, I'm working to offset my intimidation factor a bit. It's annoying to talk to a girl and she can't respond because she's so flustered from your lookattention. I'll save that for later.

Jacket and slacks...please don't....if you're gonna go this far go ahead and put on a suit and leave the tie. Jacket and NICE jeans...ok. Excellent shirt with shoeselt combo is paramount here.

I also do the following:
Biker guy...fits into my Harley riding time of the year. You get wild girls that are rough and a bit(lot) crazy. -Great in dive bars or sitting at a gas station, cheaper restaurant, etc. -Kinda need a bike to pull this one off srsly.

CountrySuburban Gentleman...for me...suburban college girls with daddy issues tend to respond well since I'm basically their father...but out...and somewhat obtainable and not 'Jake from State Farm' (which their dad probably rocks). -Not a club look...day game or bar look IMO.

Mr. Outdoors...not the hipster LumberSexual look. Serious guy that does serious man shit. Quality clothing that is for the outdoors (and not a Patagonia fanboy, etc but....solid stuff). Looking for a Toyota FJ40 right now to compliment this one. Fit girls that are tired of 'gym guys' and looking for something different are always interested. Brother, if you didn't re-up you know where I'm coming from and you've got the fitnessskills to pull this off.
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Yeah, I often wear pocket squares and all my suits have different linings, although only some of them have unique linings. Agree on the pocket sq with no tie combo when I'm keeping it more low key.

Make sure you don't wear black shoes with blue [not navy] suits unless you want to look like a policeman.
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