[RiderKnight]

What if the veil is finally lifted and it becomes socially acceptable to express redpill views on a mainstream media outlet? What if the next step, if the redpill becomes unavoidable, is the elite pushing for genetically engineering human differences away?

Here is the question that is more disturbing: if a complex alternate system with few problems could be made (if we somehow get to that point), why should we oppose such a system? The redpill has taught me to trust my gut and say that this would be wrong, but I don't have a rational reason as to why.

[YoungBlade]

Jack of all trades, master of none.

We need specialization to survive, or we'll end up tied to the urban sprawl, unable to survive anywhere else.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

@OP, Welcome to the forum, Mr. Soros.

@Youngblade, have you heard the quote about how humans should be able to do everything and specialization being for insects?

Brave New World by Aldous Huxley is a fascinating book about this topic if you haven't read it.

[RiderKnight]

You're on point for naming Soros; I had folks like him in mind when I said "the elite" (but who doesn't?). As for YoungBlade, thanks for the point. That is another part of the problem: the elite want the hoi polloi to be "tied to the urban sprawl." That is why they support the dumbing down of the population: it makes them easier to control. How terrifying it is, the idea that the elite's job of making drones to serve them will become that much easier thanks to this advance of technology.
Your words have led me to think, and now I have reversed my opinion on genetic engineering.

[Mage]

(10-22-2017 10:41 AM)RiderKnight Wrote:  

Your words have led me to think, and now I have reversed my opinion on genetic engineering.

Dude you need to chill out and get laid. You are too neurotic and living in your mind too much if a single en passe sentence from some guy on internet made you change your mind about anything. You need to ground down and make your mind more anchored. It's no way to live worrying about hundreds of future possibilities and changing your mind by 180 degrees so quickly like a ventilator. Don't worry about the world and spend some time healing your nervous system. Don't even look at deep forum before you have spent a year in newbie forum and made at least 100 non-spam posts. And learn to get laid on consistent basis before you think you can have valid opinions about anything.

[YoungBlade]

(10-22-2017 09:19 AM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  

@Youngblade, have you heard the quote about how humans should be able to do everything and specialization being for insects?

Specialized for subarctic forests



Specialized for equatorial savannah



Specialized for cold open plains

Doesn't mean they can't butcher a hog, balance accounts, etc. Just means they do it best where they are.

[RiderKnight]

(10-22-2017 10:48 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:41 AM)RiderKnight Wrote:  

Your words have led me to think, and now I have reversed my opinion on genetic engineering.

Dude you need to chill out and get laid. You are too neurotic and living in your mind too much if a single en passe sentence from some guy on internet made you change your mind about anything. You need to ground down and make your mind more anchored. It's no way to live worrying about hundreds of future possibilities and changing your mind by 180 degrees so quickly like a ventilator. Don't worry about the world and spend some time healing your nervous system. Don't even look at deep forum before you have spent a year in newbie forum and made at least 100 non-spam posts. And learn to get laid on consistent basis before you think you can have valid opinions about anything.

What I meant was that I couldn't get why all of these redpill people were against genetic engineering. That single thing that he said was the prompt that made me carry the thought further until I came to that conclusion, like Socrates asking the slave questions about the square until the slave could figure the area of the square.

[Mage]

(10-22-2017 04:13 PM)RiderKnight Wrote:  

What I meant was that I couldn't get why all of these redpill people were against genetic engineering. That single thing that he said was the prompt that made me carry the thought further until I came to that conclusion, like Socrates asking the slave questions about the square until the slave could figure the area of the square.

You don't get it because you are not really red pill yourself.

As I said, become properly red pill yourself, master yourself and women and then you will understand.

[Paracelsus]

(10-22-2017 04:13 PM)RiderKnight Wrote:  

What I meant was that I couldn't get why all of these redpill people were against genetic engineering. That single thing that he said was the prompt that made me carry the thought further until I came to that conclusion, like Socrates asking the slave questions about the square until the slave could figure the area of the square.

Red Pill at its core means you see the world as it is, not as you want it to be (feminist) or as you'd like it to be (white knight). The Red Pill view of genetic engineering was given a four hundred page treatment in this little book called Jurassic Park. Human beings are arrogant to the point of self-destruction about how much they actually understand a process they alter. We tend to be very fucking bad at planning for the unforeseen consequences of a change that we make to society or our world at large.

The simplest example of this is feminism. Its intent was noble enough: make women equal to men. The consequences of its implementation, on the other hand, have been disastrous and suborned wholly to corporate interests: single motherhood, parents both working themselves into the grave, the destruction of the family unit.

Oh, yes, I know the counter-argument: "But humans have always genetically engineered, we've bred animals together for six thousand years, we've created crops that survive much longer and feed the Earth, genetic engineering is no different."

Genetic engineering is to crossbreeding animals or plants as the atomic bomb is to a candle. Fire was arguably the first of our inventions, we should understand it and be able to control it best out of all our creations. After all, we claim to understand it so well: we know what causes fire, what ignites it, what extinguishes it. But fire -- human-caused wildfire in particular -- still kills over three hundred thousand people on this planet every year.

When we mix breeds of animals or plants by normal methods, it's in controlled circumstances and nature itself often provides the failsafe: if the crossbreed is not viable, it dies or is overridden by more adaptable species. Genetic engineering does not have anywhere near as much control over the downstream consequences or long-term understanding of how life works; despite what they tell you, we barely even understand how single genes operate on an organism; put several genes together to explain a particular biological condition and even a top-flight biologist's brain BSODs; our understanding is nowhere near as strong as they'd have you believe about how genes actually interact with environment.

Even now we still suck at how animals interact with environments. In Australia, what the rabbit, the fox, and the cane toad all have in common is that they were all introduced here ... by educated Western men who thought they understood enough of local conditions to bring in species that had not been on local soil before. In particular the cane toad's impact on Australian ecosystems has been devastating. Entire species went to the point of being endangered because one animal acted as a biological nuke on the north end of Australia. The cane toad's existence is one of the reasons Australia has one of the toughest, if not the toughest, quarantine protocols in the world ... because we belatedly realised exactly how subject to unforeseen consequences our ecosystems are.

All of that is way, way before you get to any Jewminati-ish speculation about what genetic engineering could be used for to control people. We barely even control genetic engineering, the odds are on we'd destroy ourselves with it long before we understood it sufficiently to turn us into genetic urban castes.

[Fortis]

I suspect that you might create a bottleneck in the genome if you were able to literally engineer away differences between people. Let's say everyone's a racial ambiguous brown person and then some disease that preys upon Brown people crops up and just wipes us all out.

GG humanity. Overspecialization is deadly for a number of reasons.

Also, if we engineered the hamster away, we'd be engineering away people's survival instincts. Whether we like it or not, a lot of survival is predicated on raw instincts as opposed to rational actions.

Imagine you're some savannah plains hunter with your pack of hunters out to kill some antelopes.

A lion suddenly appears in front of you. What do you do?

You dive for cover and hopefully draw your blade. You do it all within a fraction of a second and you and your buddies manage to kill the lion, but one of you dies because he's too slow.

None of that is possible without instincts, the adrenal dump and all that other "nasty" reptile brain stuff.

Whether or not we like the hamster, it's there to help us, despite the fact that it sometimes fucks us over when we let it create epic problems for no reason.