[Ranch Hand]

(10-20-2017 10:59 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Intelligent and feminine women are my absolute favorites. That's what I'm currently looking for in my wife search. They are rare gems, but a delight to spend time around. Boring women, well, bore me.

Well said.

If intelligence in a wife/mother of your kid is not important, then you best plan on working until the day you die, on the edge of bankruptcy, endlessly frustrated by her/your kid's stupidity. I have seen this play out in family, friends, and business associates. The smart winner that marries the dumb chick with big tits, and pays dearly (unto his deathbed in some cases) for his shallow choice.

Dumb people have dumb kids. Sometimes smart people even have dumb kids. Very rarely do dumb people have smart kids.

I actually had my then-fiance take one of those IQ tests you buy at the store (it was a rare flash of alpha at the time). She scored within 3 points of my score, totally acceptable to me. The marriage had plenty of problems, but congenitally stupid children is not one of them.

If you want to play and bang the bimbos, I get it. Just don't wife it up and don't procreate with her - or you will be FOREVER linked to her dumb ass and her dumb ass progeny.

[mcw78912]

(10-20-2017 11:08 AM)Striking Wrote:  

Have you guys ever found a woman with whom you could have an intellectual conversion without her getting emotional; who had the necessary calmness, demeanor, and humbleness? If so, where and what was she studying? My great grandmother was like that, and my mother to a lesser extent.

I think it's crucial for anything long term that she can at least keep up intellectually. It's ironic that with all the education women are getting, they don't seem to be getting any smarter, but rather dumber, with their heads filled with propaganda.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to go after some renown classical pianist or some right leaning brain surgeon if I ever want to settle down - I really can't stand women and their brainless chatter.

For long term relationships, I agree with you that it is important to be involved with intelligent women. I personally prefer women who are highly educated, such as those with doctoral degrees. These women might be a bit boring initially and not have much else interesting going on in their lives besides work, but there are two specific advantages:
1. I feel that they are less likely to cheat and have more integrity (at least in my experience)
2. Even the attractive ones generally don't get approached as much (they don't go out as much) and usually have a low notch count

Just make sure you don't try to LTR one with personality disorder traits and make sure you're leading.

[Easy_C]

If you want to look at that aspect, also make sure you take the intelligence of her immediate family into account. If all of her siblings are highly intelligent then your odds are that she's got good genes in that regard.

[Striking]

(10-22-2017 04:06 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

If you want to look at that aspect, also make sure you take the intelligence of her immediate family into account. If all of her siblings are highly intelligent then your odds are that she's got good genes in that regard.

It's funny, Roosh wrote a piece about how it's redundant to educate women, and while I somewhat agree with him, I think we should still do it as a competition to determine which one makes the smartest and most competent wife/mother -- and more importantly, which one would produce the better sons. I feel that is somewhat what education is for women; the vast majority after all quit their careers to have children, after realizing how difficult and boring it is.

A woman's drive is in finding and trapping a suitable husband, and in building relationships, regardless of how smart she is. In any case, an exceedingly intelligent woman would indeed waste her time trying to do anything abstract with it, as the sons that she would bring into the world would grow to be twice as intelligent as her.

[nordicplayer]

My ex was like that. I could have a deep conversations with her, talk about you technical stuff. But, she was stil a woman, with all nonsense and emotional crap they come with every now and then.
Do not pick a girl just for this treat, this is what buddies are for.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I got a 32 on my ACT and a 1290 on my SAT. I dated three different validictorians from my high school, and usually had the hots for women in a similar range in college. All of this was decades ago, but things aren't so much different now.

I was hopelessly blue pill until about 5 years ago. I actually thought you could have a reasonable and logical discussion with women. Heck, I sometimes did. I sure as hell never had one of these conversations lead to the woman falling unexpectedly on my cock.

I knew a number of girls who had similar test scores as me back in the day. I went back to grad school in recent years, and now I'm in a position to interview female engineering students who have pulled 4.0 averages at elite engineering schools. I'm familiar with the range of available high IQ women back in the day, and in the current generation.

My experience is that AWALT. What any of us wants is a girl who wants us to give them the D. Not a girl who appreciates our brains. Not a girl who wants to be appreciated for her brains. Not a girl who appreciates our income potential or our placement in cool cutting edge technology companies. All I want is a girl who is feverishly wet for my cock. That's what you want too.

It's good to have a woman like this to combine with your high IQ genes to make babies, but I'd screen for high social skill levels in this case, so you don't have semi-autistic egghead nerds for kids.

Otherwise, i'd say it's better to only focus on fucking fuckable women, and have interesting conversations with interesting people, and don't mix up the two categories.

[Grizwald1400]

(10-20-2017 11:08 AM)Striking Wrote:  

Have you guys ever found a woman with whom you could have an intellectual conversion without her getting emotional; who had the necessary calmness, demeanor, and humbleness? If so, where and what was she studying? My great grandmother was like that, and my mother to a lesser extent.

I think it's crucial for anything long term that she can at least keep up intellectually. It's ironic that with all the education women are getting, they don't seem to be getting any smarter, but rather dumber, with their heads filled with propaganda.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to go after some renown classical pianist or some right leaning brain surgeon if I ever want to settle down - I really can't stand women and their brainless chatter.

There emotions don't get involved when they are talking about their fields of expertise, because they require being rational in order for them to exceed. Other than that they do the same goofy shit all other girls do. They just might have a tougher exterior to get through

[Kobe]

I'm currently studying an architecture MSc on Theory and Critic, and I'm also doing a minor on modern phillosophy. For me, the place to talk about "deep" stuff is at the academia, or at home reading great thinkers.
At the academia, I interact and have deep discussions with both men and woman, I don't think there's any difference in that regards when it comes to gender.
With girls I'm dating or even buddies, I usually like them being somewhat knowleadgable of all this, so we can talk about it in a more distended and chilly way. However, no friend nor girlfriend is going to be nearly as fun for discussing these topics as my well knowleadgable 60 years old teachers or even classmates. I mostly want to have fun with girls and friends them so I value this more rather than them being well versed in social sciences and arts which are my main areas of interest.


However, of course you need your girl to be smart so:
1. Your offspring is smart due to good genes.
2. You don't have daily problems about stupid irrational shit.

ie: I think my mother is actually smarter and more rational than my dad, and I'm thankful to have inherited that from her (1). Because of this, she also never makes stupid desitions when it comes to money, house management, family desitions, etc.

[Vladimir Poontang]

The most you should hope for in a female is wisdom, common sense and a curious mind. As long as she understands the basic gist of what you're saying and has some semblance of an opinion about it, that's good enough. Women are like cats. You stroke them, they walk off, they come back, you stroke them again, they do something weird, then they fall asleep, then they wake up and you stroke them. Enjoy the nonsensical pleasantness and save the intellectual jousting for your male friends.

[Fortis]

I tend to find that Russian girls are often clever/sophisticated while still being feminine. Like, you could talk literature with a Russian girl (tolstoy etc) and she'd have intelligent, insightful things to say about some authors.

[Dalaran1991]

People confound knowledge and intelligence.

You can pull most girls around the Sorbonne campus and have a discussion on Plato and Socrates with them. A few might even be able to give you a guided tours of the Louvre. But these girls are nowhere even near intelligent. They buy into the most obvious mass control ploy, vote Macron and hold refugees welcome sign.

Intelligence for me is the ability to absorb knowledge, develop deep reasoning and problem-solving. None of that is required nor desirable in a woman, because they usually pay for it with their innocence and their femininity.

Those who are obsessed with genetic purity, ask yourself if your mother or grandmother was a highly intelligent woman? And did they raise you just fine?

Intelligence is way overrated. Having a stable, supportive environment for your kids is more important. Hard work and discipline pays off much more than intelligence.

[Fortis]

(10-26-2017 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Those who are obsessed with genetic purity, ask yourself if your mother or grandmother was a highly intelligent woman? And did they raise you just fine?

Doesn't matter. My High-IQ nordic genes will ensure that I'm born with all the knowledge I need to raise myself without any help from a puny woman. Women exist to squirt out men. Nothing more!

[Striking]

(10-26-2017 05:06 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

People confound knowledge and intelligence.

You can pull most girls around the Sorbonne campus and have a discussion on Plato and Socrates with them. A few might even be able to give you a guided tours of the Louvre. But these girls are nowhere even near intelligent. They buy into the most obvious mass control ploy, vote Macron and hold refugees welcome sign.

Intelligence for me is the ability to absorb knowledge, develop deep reasoning and problem-solving. None of that is required nor desirable in a woman, because they usually pay for it with their innocence and their femininity.

Those who are obsessed with genetic purity, ask yourself if your mother or grandmother was a highly intelligent woman? And did they raise you just fine?

Intelligence is way overrated. Having a stable, supportive environment for your kids is more important. Hard work and discipline pays off much more than intelligence.

Yes they were. Mother was an engineer, top of her class, grandma and great grandma were housewives, but as I mentioned you could talk to them about anything and they seemed to know everything that was going on in your life. Intelligence runs in the mtDNA, so it's wise to choose the mother of your children with caution.

[Vill@in]

Her Hypergamy will always override her high intelligence.

At the end of the day, she would rather receive Chad's Alpha seed than talk about the Theory of Relativity with you.

[wi30]

Looking back, any girl I've dated longer term was bright. I've spent time with dumb girls and my jokes would fly over their heads every time. It was brutal.

But a girl with above average intelligence is definitely a better prospect. You want a girl who gets it. And can make you some smart babies.

[sonderho]

(10-20-2017 11:08 AM)Striking Wrote:  

Have you guys ever found a woman with whom you could have an intellectual conversion without her getting emotional; who had the necessary calmness, demeanor, and humbleness? If so, where and what was she studying? My great grandmother was like that, and my mother to a lesser extent.

I think it's crucial for anything long term that she can at least keep up intellectually. It's ironic that with all the education women are getting, they don't seem to be getting any smarter, but rather dumber, with their heads filled with propaganda.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to go after some renown classical pianist or some right leaning brain surgeon if I ever want to settle down - I really can't stand women and their brainless chatter.

Yes, arts and political science. Then I found out she was trans.

[Samseau]

LDN:

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And probably the most important reason you don't want a dullard for a wife is simply that dullards are far less capable of recognising the long term consequences of their actions.

If this were true, then why is it that the more intelligent a woman is the less likely she'll have a big family? Intelligent females, in the modern world, are dysgenic. Intelligent women are more drawn to making money, having a big degree and career, and are far less likely to submit to a man.

It's actually a massive tragedy. It was the same way in other failed civilizations. I believe intelligent women are trained to follow rules so well, they are incapable of breaking out of social brainwashing. If the social brainwashing is something benevolent, like Christianity, then it creates smarter and smarter generations of humanity. But if it's something poisonous like feminism, then the intelligent females are turned out into slutty career whores.

Intelligent women are my bread and butter. I have serious problems communicating with lower IQ women, due to boredom and having to constantly teach things I consider simple so I compensate for this with dance game. Occasionally I bang lower IQ, but all of my relationships have been with high IQ girls.

So I state with a great deal of confidence that intelligent women may be better at being selfish, but in no shape or form are they actually wise long-term thinkers. Wisdom is not the same thing as intelligence.

What I notice is that women as a whole act as a group, so unless most women think long-term then none of them will. As long as the consensus between women remains such that they believe there are no consequences for being a whore, slut, adulterer, or career drone, then nothing will change.

IQ should matter a lot more than it does, but due to a broken culture the most important goal for any man is finding a woman he gets along with and submits to him. High IQ used to be necessary but not sufficient, now it is unnecessary because our sick culture makes high IQ females more likely to become terrible human beings.

[debeguiled]

Women mature faster, but stop sooner. Get a smart girl, and all you have is a sixteen year old who lies better.

[birthday cat]

Threads like this tend to go in circles.

Different guys have different objectives. Obviously intelligence is going to be a much more important factor for a guy considering an LTR or marriage than a guy looking for one night stands.

Also, different guys have different perspectives on how to define various terms such as intelligence and hypergamy.

For example,

(10-22-2017 09:20 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

...
It's good to have a woman like this to combine with your high IQ genes to make babies, but I'd screen for high social skill levels in this case, so you don't have semi-autistic egghead nerds for kids.
...

In my opinion, high levels of social skills is an indicator of intelligence and it is the type of intelligence I would look for in a woman. So I agree with RoastBeefCurtains4Me but from my perspective this is an argument for intelligent women rather than against them.

Another example,

(10-26-2017 09:07 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

Her Hypergamy will always override her high intelligence.

At the end of the day, she would rather receive Chad's Alpha seed than talk about the Theory of Relativity with you.

I think women's hypergamy leads them to seek out men who are more intelligent than they are which gives intelligent men an advantage with intelligent women similar to how tall men have a big advantage with tall women. The "Chad" for a high IQ women might be different than the "Chad" for an average women. There will be exceptions to the rule when high IQ women have a short and mostly sexual relationship with an attractive but lower IQ guy but these are exceptions and these women will usually be with high IQ guys for both short flings and long term relationships.

Finally, there is the argument that intelligence is not as important as traditional values or a woman prioritizing family over her career. I don't disagree that western culture has a tremendous amount of problems. I agree 1000% that women should prioritize family over career and men should not choose a women for a wife if she doesn't do this. However, I don't think this is an argument against intelligent women at all. Ideally, you want a woman who is both intelligent and prioritizes family above career and has the right values to be a good mother.

[TooFineAPoint]

(10-20-2017 12:03 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

My life improved greatly once I stopped valuing women for their intelligence.

God did not create Woman for stimulating intellectual discourse. Once I accepted this truth, I was able to accept women for other things and search for intellectual stimulation in other avenues, rather than continuing to try to wring water out of a rock.

Intelligence in a woman is incidental, not fundamental.

All the girls I have ever been in relationships with were higher than average intelligence because my game would never work on an average or dumb chick outside of maybe a quick fuck.

It's not all it's cracked up to be.

Thomas hit the nail on the head.

She'll still be worse than your dumbest male friend in terms of discussion and objective advice.

Unless the advice is based on social dynamics and minute observations. Then they excel.

I once met a girl who worked at Amazon. She wasn't my intellectual superior, but she was better at math than me (first I've ever met).

She was skinny, Russian, and had (best guess -- she was happily married) C cups. So worth a bang.

Being in the same room as her was nearly insufferable. If females can have aspergers, she had it.

[birthday cat]

A lot of guys could do themselves a favor by reading about the differences between masculinity and femininity and the polarity between the two.

All these arguments against women's intelligence because of an inability to engage in "intellectual discourse" or "discussion and objective advice" is because guys are expecting women to be intelligent like a man and behave like a man.

As much as we complain about western women and how they have been brainwashed, we still don't seem to realize that we still need to break free from some of the brainwashing that has been done to us.

[Poker]

(11-09-2017 10:35 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

A lot of guys could do themselves a favor by reading about the differences between masculinity and femininity and the polarity between the two.

All these arguments against women's intelligence because of an inability to engage in "intellectual discourse" or "discussion and objective advice" is because guys are expecting women to be intelligent like a man and behave like a man.

As much as we complain about western women and how they have been brainwashed, we still don't seem to realize that we still need to break free from some of the brainwashing that has been done to us.

Any particular books or essays you would recommend? I'm sure many here would be interested.

[rottenapple]

This thread makes any man that loves latinas depressive. If only we could get some intelligent women with the body of a hot colombiana then life would be a lot more beautiful.

[Vill@in]

(11-08-2017 05:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

Another example,

(10-26-2017 09:07 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

Her Hypergamy will always override her high intelligence.

At the end of the day, she would rather receive Chad's Alpha seed than talk about the Theory of Relativity with you.

I think women's hypergamy leads them to seek out men who are more intelligent than they are which gives intelligent men an advantage with intelligent women similar to how tall men have a big advantage with tall women. The "Chad" for a high IQ women might be different than the "Chad" for an average women. There will be exceptions to the rule when high IQ women have a short and mostly sexual relationship with an attractive but lower IQ guy but these are exceptions and these women will usually be with high IQ guys for both short flings and long term relationships.

Oh I definitely agree with this. And in this case, you could define a High IQ woman's hypergamy being motivated by the recognition in high IQ in another male. Like you stated, it's how you define 'hypergamy'.

Chad with his bulging bicepts gets her pussy wet, but Poindexter with his pocket protectors gets her hamster spinning in circles with his unsolvable equations which in turn gets her pussy wet. Both get her pussy wet in the short term, but Chad's mathematic skills don't go past simple arithmetic. Poindexter does Calculus in his sleep. She might fuck both on Saturday, but ultimately Poindexter will be her true 'Chad' (Hypergamy ) while OG Chad sits at home trying to solve the unsolvable riddle of 6 x 4.

Of course, she'll drop Poindexter like a bad neutron the moment Will Hunting comes into town.

[Lunostrelki]

(11-09-2017 11:48 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

Another example,

(10-26-2017 09:07 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

Her Hypergamy will always override her high intelligence.

At the end of the day, she would rather receive Chad's Alpha seed than talk about the Theory of Relativity with you.

I think women's hypergamy leads them to seek out men who are more intelligent than they are which gives intelligent men an advantage with intelligent women similar to how tall men have a big advantage with tall women. The "Chad" for a high IQ women might be different than the "Chad" for an average women. There will be exceptions to the rule when high IQ women have a short and mostly sexual relationship with an attractive but lower IQ guy but these are exceptions and these women will usually be with high IQ guys for both short flings and long term relationships.

Oh I definitely agree with this. And in this case, you could define a High IQ woman's hypergamy being motivated by the recognition in high IQ in another male. Like you stated, it's how you define 'hypergamy'.

Chad with his bulging bicepts gets her pussy wet, but Poindexter with his pocket protectors gets her hamster spinning in circles with his unsolvable equations which in turn gets her pussy wet. Both get her pussy wet in the short term, but Chad's mathematic skills don't go past simple arithmetic. Poindexter does Calculus in his sleep. She might fuck both on Saturday, but ultimately Poindexter will be her true 'Chad' (Hypergamy ) while OG Chad sits at home trying to solve the unsolvable riddle of 6 x 4.

Of course, she'll drop Poindexter like a bad neutron the moment Will Hunting comes into town.

So the takeaway here is be good at math and work out?