Faber was just stating the obvious. Talk about flogging a dead horse.
In other news, water is wet.
In other news, water is wet.
All you gotta do is ask them questions and listen to what they have to say and shit.
Quote: (10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:
I think part of what people forget about this incident is that Faber was just putting in a throwaway comment in a much larger newsletter.
Most of his letters for the past 20 years or so have had lots of diversions, interesting discussions on history, art, and philosophy. For him to talk about the problems of the Black race as a whole is not anything out of the ordinary for him, he was just doing his usual thing of talking about one subject while having digressions about another subject.
I don't think his intentions were to stoke a race war. I think in his mind, he was merely stating the obvious about the whole take on racism in America thing. The fact things blew up like this probably came as a major surprise to him.
As for the Black race, the question no one asks is why Blacks are so far behind other races in terms of work output and achievement. Is it, as most White Nationalists claim, because Blacks were later to "evolve" from the apes as other races of humans did or that something halted Black evolution as Blacks and Whites separated 500K years ago, or, was it because some great tragedy befell the Blacks in Africa which seriously stunted their growth and development? Some kind of major natural disaster, or perhaps there was an advanced African civilization that destroyed itself so much they went back to the hunter-gatherer age?
We really have no idea. The problem with racists is that they assume automatic and eternal inferiority of the Black race, but they are just guessing. I'm not convinced with regular evolutionary explanations and I strongly suspect there is much more to the story that we are unaware of. Our knowledge of the past is just pathetic, and I don't trust it at all.
Quote: (10-19-2017 11:01 PM)Fortis Wrote:
Sup, BB.
I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but a few people seem to be putting words in my mouth. I did not say he was condoning slavery. I even said that few Western men would condone such an act. Faber is a Swede IIRC so he would be included in that group of Western men.
I never said he was racist. I generally avoid throwing that term around since, much like the JQ, it tends to take the wind out of the sails of an otherwise good discussion.
Whatever we might say about Faber, I don't think we would say that he's maniacally rubbing his hands together at the idea of a new era of slavery. I never said that and I hope that my writing did not come across as me accusing him of saying that.
Quote: (10-19-2017 01:18 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
Every white man believes he would be the one to protest slavery if he were born into times when slavery was the norm. Every black man likes to think he would refuse to enslave others if he were of a time and people holding the keys to the shackles. Every single human on Earth loves to believe that if they'd been German in the Holocaust they'd have turned their rifle on their countrymen and sounded the alarm.
These are naive assumptions about the nature of evil that lies within us all.
And by refusing to see that the slave owners were not necessarily any different than others, we not only ensure we'll never understand those who disagree on the issue, but we ignore the true lessons of history and condemn ourselves to one way or another repeat them.
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In Django Unchained, evil slaveowner Leonardo DiCaprio asks a question. Sorry, back up: why does everyone call him an evil slaveowner? As far as I can tell, he was a pretty average slaveowner, I'd even say he was "kind", in the sense that all his slaves "like" him, and he rarely "tortures" anyone and by the use of quotes you can see I'm hedging, my point here is how quickly people have to broadcast their indignancy. "He's evil." So what you're saying is you're against slavery? Thanks for clarifying.
This explains the near-universal anxiety over the movie's frequent use of the word nigger, and someone asked Tarantino if he thought he had used it too much in the movie, and his response was perfect: "too much, in comparison to how much it was used back then?" Nigger, and the violence, was all anyone was upset about. Terry Gross, NPR's mental Fleshlight, asked Tarantino her typically insightful and nuanced questions: "do you enjoy violent movies less after what happened at Sandy Hook?" Sigh. So there's the Terry Gross checklist for reviewing Django: gun=bad and saying nigger=bad. Check and check. You know what no one thought badworthy? When the white guy asked to have a certain slave sent to his room to try out her ample vagina, and the prim white lady of the house happily escorted her up. "Go on, do what you're told, girl."
I'd venture that Terry Gross and and the gang at HuffPoWo would rather be whipped than be-- that's rape, right?-- but that scene didn't light up their amygdalas, only hearing "nigger" did. I find that highly suspicious, or astoundingly obtuse, or both.
Anyway, perfectly ordinary slaveowner DiCaprio asks a rhetorical question, a fundamental question, that has occurred to every 7th grade white boy and about 10% of 7th grade white girls, and the profound question he asked was: "Why don't they just rise up?"
Kneel down, Quentin Tarantino is a genius. That question should properly come from the mouth of the German dentist: this isn't his country, he doesn't really have an instinctive feel for the system, so it's completely legitimate for a guy who doesn't know the score to ask this question, which is why 7th grade boys ask it; they themselves haven't yet felt the crushing weight of the system, so immediately you should ask, how early have girls been crushed that they don't think to ask this? But Tarantino puts this question in the mouth of the power, it is spoken by the very lips of that system; because of course the reason they don't rise up is that he-- that system-- taught them not to. When the system tells you what to do, you have no choice but to obey.
If "the system tells you what to do" doesn't seem very compelling, remember that the movie you are watching is Django UNCHAINED. Why did Django rise up? He went from whipped slave to stylish gunman in 15 minutes. How come Django was so quickly freed not just from physical slavery, but from the 40 years of repeated psychological oppression that still keeps every other slave in self-check? Did he swallow the Red Pill? How did he suddenly acquire the emotional courage to kill white people?
"The dentist freed him." So? Lots of free blacks in the South, no uprisings. "He's 'one in ten thousand'?" Everybody is 1 in 10000, check a chart. "He got a gun?" Doesn't help, even today there are gun owners all over America who feel that they aren't free. No. You should read this next sentence, get yourself a drink, and consider your own slavery: the system told Django that he was allowed to. He was given a document that said he was a bounty hunter, and as an agent of the system, he was allowed to kill white people. That his new job happened to coincide with the trappings of power is 100% an accident, the system decided what he was worth and what he could do with his life. His powers were on loan, he wasn't even a vassal, he was a tool.
This is not to minimize the individual accomplishment of a Django becoming a free man. But for the other slaves, what is the significance?
Of course Tarantino knew that the evil slaveowner's question has a hidden, repressed dark side: DiCaprio is a third generation slave owner, he doesn't own slaves because he hates blacks, he owns them because that's the system; so powerful is that system that he spends his free time not on coke or hookers but on researching scientific justifications for the slavery-- trying to rationalize what he is doing. That is not the behavior of a man at peace with himself, regardless of how much he thinks he likes white cake, it is the behavior of a man in conflict, who suspects he is not free; who realizes, somehow, that the fact that his job happens to coincide with the trappings of power is 100% an accident... do you see? "Why don't they just rise up?" is revealed to be a symptom of the question that has been repressed: "why do the whites own slaves? Why don't they just... stop?" And it never occurs to 7th graders to ask this question because they are too young, yet every adult thinks if he lived back then, he would have been the exception. 1 in 10000, I guess. And here we see how repression always leaves behind a signal of what's been repressed-- how else do you explain the modern need to add the qualifier "evil" to "slaveowner" if not for the deeply buried suspicion that, in fact, you would have been a slaveowner back then? "But at least I wouldn't be evil." Keep telling yourself that. And if some guy in a Tardis showed up and asked, what's up with you and all the slaves, seems like a lot? You'd say what everybody says, "look wildman, don't ask me, that's just the system. Can't change it. Want to rape a black chick?"
Quote: (10-20-2017 02:56 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:
Does anyone here actually think the US would be better if run by blacks and not whites?
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Quote: (10-20-2017 02:08 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:
Quote: (10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:
I think part of what people forget about this incident is that Faber was just putting in a throwaway comment in a much larger newsletter.
Most of his letters for the past 20 years or so have had lots of diversions, interesting discussions on history, art, and philosophy. For him to talk about the problems of the Black race as a whole is not anything out of the ordinary for him, he was just doing his usual thing of talking about one subject while having digressions about another subject.
I don't think his intentions were to stoke a race war. I think in his mind, he was merely stating the obvious about the whole take on racism in America thing. The fact things blew up like this probably came as a major surprise to him.
As for the Black race, the question no one asks is why Blacks are so far behind other races in terms of work output and achievement. Is it, as most White Nationalists claim, because Blacks were later to "evolve" from the apes as other races of humans did or that something halted Black evolution as Blacks and Whites separated 500K years ago, or, was it because some great tragedy befell the Blacks in Africa which seriously stunted their growth and development? Some kind of major natural disaster, or perhaps there was an advanced African civilization that destroyed itself so much they went back to the hunter-gatherer age?
We really have no idea. The problem with racists is that they assume automatic and eternal inferiority of the Black race, but they are just guessing. I'm not convinced with regular evolutionary explanations and I strongly suspect there is much more to the story that we are unaware of. Our knowledge of the past is just pathetic, and I don't trust it at all.
I think it`s fruitless to try an explain race differences in general, and the difference between blacks and Caucasians in particular by attributing any "lesser development" to a mistake or unfortunate event, whether natural or man-made, in the history of blacks.(or any other race.)
Remember that evolution/nature only cares about survival. Most African countries have a much higher fertility rate than European countries, and so they are the real winners the race for survival.
It`s not given that high IQ is the best environmental adaptation.
In fact it seems to be detrimental to survival in the present environment.
Climate and diet seems a likely explanation to IQ differences though.
Colder climate environments equals more planning ahead necessary, and also a high energy (cooked) meat/fat rich diet, as opposed to a more plant based diet possible at warmer longitudes. This again equals the possibility of a bigger brain. (Expensive tissue hypothesis)
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=s...7000100023
Quote: (10-18-2017 01:06 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:I agree with most of this, but I quite like Swiss chocolate, spirits(Swiss Absinthe is arguably the best in the world), and watches.
You know what? Fuck this guy.
He's been a negative, bitter old prick for years, isolating himself off from the rest of humanity.
Yeah, he's got a fat bank account and is living in some Col. Kurz compound in the middle of Thailand. Big fucking deal. Too bad that, for all his money, he sounds like little more than a bitter old man with nothing to do with his time. At his age, and with his resources, he should be happy and wise, not a bitter old prick walling himself off from humanity.
Not my idea of a role mode. He should be mentoring young people and doing philanthropy. Not spewing this bullshit out there.
Lesson here. This is what happens when you stay negative for too long, and isolate yourself from the rest of humanity.
And something else: fuck Switzerland. Biggest collection of chickenshit, two-faced snakes in Europe.
"I'm neutral. Oooo, look at me! I'm going to keep my lily-white hands clean as I hide in the mountains and manage money."
Cunts.
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Quote: (10-20-2017 08:39 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Quote: (10-20-2017 02:56 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:
Does anyone here actually think the US would be better if run by blacks and not whites?
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Your premise is flawed.
Get back to us when the US is actually run by whites and not Jews.
Quote: (10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:
As for the Black race, the question no one asks is why Blacks are so far behind other races in terms of work output and achievement. Is it, as most White Nationalists claim, because Blacks were later to "evolve" from the apes as other races of humans did or that something halted Black evolution as Blacks and Whites separated 500K years ago, or, was it because some great tragedy befell the Blacks in Africa which seriously stunted their growth and development? Some kind of major natural disaster, or perhaps there was an advanced African civilization that destroyed itself so much they went back to the hunter-gatherer age?
We really have no idea. The problem with racists is that they assume automatic and eternal inferiority of the Black race, but they are just guessing. I'm not convinced with regular evolutionary explanations and I strongly suspect there is much more to the story that we are unaware of. Our knowledge of the past is just pathetic, and I don't trust it at all.
Quote: (10-20-2017 11:55 PM)Chris Brown Wrote:
Why does everyone like to shit on blacks? Yeah sure we are fucked up to a certain extent. But what about Aborogines and Muslims who like to blow shit up or drug dealing South Americans? Why didnt Faber mention the Gypsies or comment on if America was run by Eskimos?
Quote: (10-20-2017 11:55 PM)Chris Brown Wrote:
Why does everyone like to shit on blacks? Yeah sure we are fucked up to a certain extent. But what about Aborogines and Muslims who like to blow shit up or drug dealing South Americans? Why didnt Faber mention the Gypsies or comment on if America was run by Eskimos?
Quote: (10-20-2017 11:58 PM)Bacchus Wrote:
Quote: (10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:
As for the Black race, the question no one asks is why Blacks are so far behind other races in terms of work output and achievement. Is it, as most White Nationalists claim, because Blacks were later to "evolve" from the apes as other races of humans did or that something halted Black evolution as Blacks and Whites separated 500K years ago, or, was it because some great tragedy befell the Blacks in Africa which seriously stunted their growth and development? Some kind of major natural disaster, or perhaps there was an advanced African civilization that destroyed itself so much they went back to the hunter-gatherer age?
We really have no idea. The problem with racists is that they assume automatic and eternal inferiority of the Black race, but they are just guessing. I'm not convinced with regular evolutionary explanations and I strongly suspect there is much more to the story that we are unaware of. Our knowledge of the past is just pathetic, and I don't trust it at all.
The answer from Sapiens and Guns, Germs, and Steel explains the differences in races. First, from Sapiens, Africans didn't mate with Neanderthals, as Europeans did. Neanderthals were intelligent, but antisocial. Homo sapiens had better group dynamics and outbreed the Neanderthal. Europeans retain something like 1% Neanderthal genes. Africans do not have this as part of their DNA.
A further explanation from Guns, Germs, and Steel, Sub-Saharan Africa remained hunter-gatherers far longer than Eurasia because crops and animals present on the continent resisted domestication. Domesticated crops and animals spread throughout Eurasia because the continent's east-west orientation meant a similar climate. Wheat, whose wild ancestors originated in Turkey, could spread through Asia and to Europe. This allowed humans to abandon the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and focus on agriculture, which leading to specialization and civilization. Civilization has different evolutionary pressures than hunting and gathering.
The north-south orientation of Africa prevented domesticated crops from spreading from the civilizations of North Africa to the interior of the continent. Wheat will not grow in a jungle. Hence, the hunter-gatherer lifestyle remained the only viable lifestyle option in Africa for far longer. Also, the lack of domesticated animals in Africa impeded the division of labor. Diamond memorably makes the point that history would be a lot different if Africans were able to domesticate the rhino and could ride rhinos into battle. Instead, African animals can be tamed but not domesticated (i.e. bred in captivity). Therefore, sub-Saharan Africa remained a hunter-gatherer society much longer than Eurasia and did not develop complex civilizations.
Quote: (10-21-2017 04:47 AM)fenetre Wrote:
Quote: (10-20-2017 11:55 PM)Chris Brown Wrote:
Why does everyone like to shit on blacks? Yeah sure we are fucked up to a certain extent. But what about Aborogines and Muslims who like to blow shit up or drug dealing South Americans? Why didnt Faber mention the Gypsies or comment on if America was run by Eskimos?
Nobody is shitting on blacks per se.
It seems to me that there is anger surrounding the issue of race from many angles.
There are those in denial about the facts and react emotionally as evidenced above from some.
There are others, probably like Faber, who are pissed off about the lies being peddled, about how we are being force-fed this BLM-type rhetoric about the poor blacks being always oppressed by the white man.
And also those who are fed up with the constant humiliation of whites (and self-sabotage and -abasement to be fair) and the indoctrination of white children with anti-white, pro-black/minority propaganda.
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Faber's comments have to be related to the BLM nonsense being continuously peddled by the media - which Muslims, Eskimos and gypsies don't have.
Quote: (10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:
I think part of what people forget about this incident is that Faber was just putting in a throwaway comment in a much larger newsletter.
Most of his letters for the past 20 years or so have had lots of diversions, interesting discussions on history, art, and philosophy. For him to talk about the problems of the Black race as a whole is not anything out of the ordinary for him, he was just doing his usual thing of talking about one subject while having digressions about another subject.
I don't think his intentions were to stoke a race war. I think in his mind, he was merely stating the obvious about the whole take on racism in America thing. The fact things blew up like this probably came as a major surprise to him.
As for the Black race, the question no one asks is why Blacks are so far behind other races in terms of work output and achievement. Is it, as most White Nationalists claim, because Blacks were later to "evolve" from the apes as other races of humans did or that something halted Black evolution as Blacks and Whites separated 500K years ago, or, was it because some great tragedy befell the Blacks in Africa which seriously stunted their growth and development? Some kind of major natural disaster, or perhaps there was an advanced African civilization that destroyed itself so much they went back to the hunter-gatherer age?
We really have no idea. The problem with racists is that they assume automatic and eternal inferiority of the Black race, but they are just guessing. I'm not convinced with regular evolutionary explanations and I strongly suspect there is much more to the story that we are unaware of. Our knowledge of the past is just pathetic, and I don't trust it at all.
Quote: (10-22-2017 06:25 AM)Guile Wrote:
Faber seems like a smart guy. I'm guessing he knows how the world works. So why is his anti-PC rant directed at blacks rather than the (((people))) who use PC propaganda as a weapon to maintain their position as the power brokers of America? In other words, why is Faber blaming the symptom [BLM, SJW's etc] and not the (((cause)))? Just sayin'.
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I don't want to enter into a serious discussion of the tearing down of monuments of historical personalities, but I cannot omit mentioning how the liberal hypocrites condemned the Taliban when they blew up the world's two largest standing Buddhas (one of them 165 feet high), situated at the foot of the Hindu Kush mountains of central Afghanistan, in 2001. But the very same people are now disturbed by statues of honourable people whose only crime was to defend what all societies had done for more than 5,000 years: keep a part of the population enslaved. And thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise, the US would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under a white majority. I am not a racist, but the reality — no matter how politically incorrect — needs to be spelled out as well. (And let's not forget that the African tribal heads were more than happy to sell their own slaves to white, black, and Arab slave dealers.)
Quote: (10-22-2017 05:19 PM)Agastya Wrote:
I think most people's beef with it is the idea that blacks are naturally stupider and less capable of building civilization that whites. It's an argument that may hold true in a massively broad sense over billions of individuals, but it also has serious flaws because it ignores a lot of things. Environmental factors are a big reason why Africa didn't develop civilizations on quite the level of India, Europe, East Asia, or the Middle East. And a general lack of study/ignorance explains why the legitimate civilizations that Africa did have just aren't well known in the west.
The average Joe doesn't know shit about ancient Ethiopia or the Mali empire, which were, at the time, some of the richest and most powerful civilizations on earth. They also don't know that some Egyptian pharoahs were black (Kushite dynasty) or the black Kushite kingdom in Sudan built pyramids and fought the Assyrians and Romans. They also don't recognize the fact that many of the Islamic Moors who conquered Spain in Europe's Dark Ages were black -- these people built marvels like the Alhambra and the city of Granada. People just see the current state of Africa and imagine that it was always some war-torn shithole, which is historically incorrect.
I think it's legitimate to call this guy out because he's repeating a stereotype that is A) factually wrong and B) an attack on the heritage of billions of people.
Quote: (10-22-2017 05:50 PM)Laska Wrote:
A lot of those civilizations were run by outsiders
Quote: (10-22-2017 05:50 PM)Laska Wrote:
and the Moors weren't black The first black emperor of Rome is usually credited with its downfall, etc.
Quote: (10-22-2017 05:50 PM)Laska Wrote:
The fact is that black's aren't just vastly less accomplished and have lower average IQ scores than whites, but also compared to every other race on Earth.