[CupCake]

I went vegan a year ago and I'm not regretting the choice. There are plenty of dairy alternatives out there. Focusing on beans, nuts, greens, and seeds is a great thing for your body and mind. I think tofu and quinoa are highly under-rated.

You'll notice a bigger boost in your energy and fullness when you eat more natural stuff for sure.

[kbell]

THe soy japanese and chinese eat is fermented for quite some time. Sometime as long as 12-18 months. The processed stuff you generally get is made quickly and has most of the phytates and estrogens still in tact. Also Asian mainly use soy as a condiment rather than main meal. Also most people do not view KFC products as healthy on marksdailyapple from my observations. They fry in refined soy oil and bread the chicken. The bacon is also prepared in highly processed way.

[jariel]

Just curious what are some meals you guys eat?

There are tons of sites with paleo recipes.

[babelfish669]

I don't make any recipes. Just straight up cook the meat in a flying pan on the stove.

The bulk of what I eat is - banana, coconut, sweet potatoes, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, spinach, lettuce/greens, eggs, grass fed ground beef, and salmon.

[camrondells]

I don't know you ask I don't know what your goals are, but I am a certified personal trainer and nutritionist and ancient diet is the best weight loss, strength gains and muscle hypertrophy of the nutritional guidelines.

[Chad Daring]

Do you guys include "cheat days" on Paleo? I know the best option is to stay strong and not give in, but most diet/lifestyle plans allow for a margin of error. Usually holidays or celebration where there's no real good options.

Do you cheat, to you go hungry? Do you attempt to out train the bad food you ate? Or just let it happen and get back on the horse on the next meal?

[babelfish669]

The last two weeks I've been 100% paleo and I have not nor do I have the slightest urge to eat non paleo.

I don't have cheat days, but when I travel its nearly impossible to follow 100%. The beef isn't going to be grassfed, all of the salad dressings will have sugar in them, and so on. I mentioned this before, but if I'm eating at a real nice restaurant I'll eat whatever I want.

If you "cheat" and eat a piece of cake, or whatever, and the rest of your diet for the day has been fine its likely you'll won't see much of any negative side effects. I think food is kind of like alcohol, our body handles and processes it just fine, but if you eat too much bad shit eventually your body can't keep up and you'll start experiencing the negative side effects. I wouldn't recommend blocking out a whole day to eat whatever any more than blocking out a whole day to drink alcohol. Once you've been on the diet for a while, you'll lose interest in non-paleo foods unless you hit a period of stress or something else in your routine gets disrupted.

[kbell]

carb refeeds every now and than. and if I do mess I up I try not worry about it. the stress from worrying tends to make me screw up more.

[Chad Daring]

(09-25-2011 10:57 PM)kbell Wrote:  

carb refeeds every now and than. and if I do mess I up I try not worry about it. the stress from worrying tends to make me screw up more.

That's a good way to look at it. A cheat for me is something like a couple cups of brown rice or a few tablespoons of sugar so I'm not sweating to much. I don't really eat dessert anymore and if I do its fruit now.

[Basil Ransom]

(09-24-2011 09:56 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Just curious what are some meals you guys eat?

There are tons of sites with paleo recipes.

(09-24-2011 11:02 AM)babelfish669 Wrote:  

I don't make any recipes. Just straight up cook the meat in a flying pan on the stove.

The bulk of what I eat is - banana, coconut, sweet potatoes, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, spinach, lettuce/greens, eggs, grass fed ground beef, and salmon.

I do something similar. I load up on a few staples, and then prepare them in different ways, with different spices and condiments. You're better off learning how to prepare individual foods, and then how to combine them. Recipes often call for a daunting number of ingredients and steps. It's way easier to start simple.

I just started the Perfect Health Diet I mentioned earlier (Paleo plus white rice, cream and potatoes, with less fruit, less protein and more fat)

What I've eaten in the past week: White rice, eggs, rotisserie chicken, cream, butter, olive oil, hamburger patties, sirloin steak, shrimp, frozen stir fry vegetables, spinach, potatoes, blueberries, bananas and protein powder. In the past I've slow cooked pork shoulder and chuck roast as well.

I'm going start experimenting with Indian and Oriental dishes, which are compatible with the Perfect Health Diet. I've seen paleo recipes that try to reproduce classic dishes like pancakes and pizza, but they're just too much effort for a mediocre offshoot of the original.

One of my favorite snacks now is thawed blueberries and heavy whipping cream. With some white rice and protein powder, it would be a complete meal.

[Aliblahba]

(09-26-2011 11:51 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

I just started the Perfect Health Diet I mentioned earlier (Paleo plus white rice, cream and potatoes, with less fruit, less protein and more fat)

What I've eaten in the past week: White rice, eggs, rotisserie chicken, cream, butter, olive oil, hamburger patties, sirloin steak, shrimp, frozen stir fry vegetables, spinach, potatoes, blueberries, bananas and protein powder. In the past I've slow cooked pork shoulder and chuck roast as well.

One of my favorite snacks now is thawed blueberries and heavy whipping cream.

I thought you were a Yankee? Well, there's hope for you yet. Lol. If you want any crock pot recipes let me know. Got that shit on lockdown.

Instead of rotisserie chicken, try the beer butt chicken for variety. It stays moist and drips off the fat also.

Still gotta work on the spinach. Collard greens reign supreme!!!

[swecmzkor]

Very interested in this thread. I've tried Raw diets with just raw egg yolks for awhile. Straight up raw vegan for 3-4 years. Back to cooked vegan with occasional fish. Did the 80 10 10 diet starting in Ecuador. Spent 2 months eating just mangoes and bananas there. Had some issues a few months later. Finally getting close to the conclusion that I need either B12, D supplementation or start eating sardines and wild salmon. Chose the latter and feel quite good.

Basically I eat tons of fruit in mono meal fashion (one fruit at a time, usually bananas and dates). Then finish with a salad and sardine dinner. So far so good, and I really hope this one works out for me. I am notorious for obsessing about my diet and would love to find a balanced and get going with my life.

[Basil Ransom]

(09-26-2011 12:01 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-26-2011 11:51 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

In the past I've slow cooked pork shoulder and chuck roast as well.

One of my favorite snacks now is thawed blueberries and heavy whipping cream.

I thought you were a Yankee? Well, there's hope for you yet. Lol. If you want any crock pot recipes let me know. Got that shit on lockdown.

Instead of rotisserie chicken, try the beer butt chicken for variety. It stays moist and drips off the fat also.

Still gotta work on the spinach. Collard greens reign supreme!!!

American yes, East coaster, no. Are those foods especially British or otherwise foreign?

If you like slow cooked foods, you have to give Texas chili a try.

(09-26-2011 12:05 PM)swecmzkor Wrote:  

Very interested in this thread. I've tried Raw diets with just raw egg yolks for awhile. Straight up raw vegan for 3-4 years. Back to cooked vegan with occasional fish. Did the 80 10 10 diet starting in Ecuador. Spent 2 months eating just mangoes and bananas there. Had some issues a few months later. Finally getting close to the conclusion that I need either B12, D supplementation or start eating sardines and wild salmon. Chose the latter and feel quite good.

Basically I eat tons of fruit in mono meal fashion (one fruit at a time, usually bananas and dates). Then finish with a salad and sardine dinner. So far so good, and I really hope this one works out for me. I am notorious for obsessing about my diet and would love to find a balanced and get going with my life.

It sounds like you're eating way too much fruit, i.e. fructose. Fructose and sugar generally are suspected as being a key contributor to obesity.

http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/docs/...review.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazi...ref=dining

[swecmzkor]

I can tell you for a fact that it doesn't make you fat. At whole fresh fruits. But this is me personally. I spent a few months ONLY eating fruits and vegetables and didn't gain any weight.

Now I do think and have read that mixing fruit and fat is a BAD idea. I keep my sardines and fat for dinner time.

[Chad Daring]

(09-26-2011 02:32 PM)swecmzkor Wrote:  

I can tell you for a fact that it doesn't make you fat. At whole fresh fruits. But this is me personally. I spent a few months ONLY eating fruits and vegetables and didn't gain any weight.

Now I do think and have read that mixing fruit and fat is a BAD idea. I keep my sardines and fat for dinner time.

That makes sense, fruit would raise your blood sugar making your body more likely to store fat rather then burn it for energy.

[babelfish669]

One thing I've learned, if you want to get fat, just eat refined calories. They don't fill up your stomach but they'll fill up everything else.

(09-26-2011 12:05 PM)swecmzkor Wrote:  

Basically I eat tons of fruit in mono meal fashion (one fruit at a time, usually bananas and dates). Then finish with a salad and sardine dinner. So far so good, and I really hope this one works out for me. I am notorious for obsessing about my diet and would love to find a balanced and get going with my life.

How does the fruit stuff impact your physical fitness?

[_DC_]

I just started trying this today to augment my intermittent fasting (2 or 3 full days for 24 hours). I'm already lean, 6'0", 180 lbs, maybe 12-13% bf, and its been historically impossible for me to lose any more weight once I'm at this level e.g. six-pack, so I'm ready for more drastic measures.

My complaint so far would be the cost. Unfortunately Whole Foods is my go-to store and a 6 oz piece of fish will run you $7-$15 dollars. Even their brisket and shoulder cuts of beef are at least $7 a pound. I suppose I could buy a bike or just walk over a mile to the next nearest store.

I'm considering ordering a decent chunk of beef from an online distributor.
Has anybody ordered a big quantity of meat online? I'm a HUGE fan of bison meat (very high protein, low fat, and very tasty). I wouldn't mind buying 10 or 20 lbs of that stuff.

Right now I have brisket and cabbage stew type concoction roasting in the slow cooker. It's damn good.

[Chad Daring]

Im noticing paleo gives me more of a carb jones then straight Atkins did, probably because I cant just outlast the cravings due to eating some carbs via fruit, anyone else noticing this?

@_DC_

If you're six pack lean, I'm curious, why is it that you're pushing to get less body fat? 12% isn't a bad number at all for a guy, is it just health that you're striving for?

[_DC_]

(09-27-2011 06:24 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Im noticing paleo gives me more of a carb jones then straight Atkins did, probably because I cant just outlast the cravings due to eating some carbs via fruit, anyone else noticing this?

@_DC_

If you're six pack lean, I'm curious, why is it that you're pushing to get less body fat? 12% isn't a bad number at all for a guy, is it just health that you're striving for?

Looking at my comment, I definitely praised it poorly. I meant its historically been impossible for me to get a semblance of a six-pack. I'm hovering around 12-13% now which is the lowest range I've been in (a few times). To be honest I'm more about that lean look, e.g. vascularity and toned arms rather than a six pack.

The funny thing is, when you're at 12%-13%, you're so close. You lose 10lbs of fat and you're golden. So difficult though (for me at least).

[Chad Daring]

I need to get a set of BF calipers and see where I'm at. I've lost almost 70lbs, but I was such a fat bastard to begin with I"m probably still close to 15%-16%

I know what you mean though, losing fat has done more for how big my arms look then any amount of lifting could.

[swecmzkor]

Fruit is pretty amazing for endurance. A good amount of long distance runners only eat fruits and veggies and call it the 80 10 10 diet. I've tried it, but I think I would need to supplement with B12 and D3 to keep on it, so that's why I'm currently supplementing with sardines which has both instead.

Fruit digests so well and quickly (ripe fruit) that I feel like a feather when I'm out and about running and exercising. The key is to eat a lot of fruit. For example, I can chow down 15 blended bananas smoothie style in one sitting. That's potentially 1500 calories. Gives me tons of energy to go the distance.

I've done crazy experiments with my diet. One thing I know for sure is everyone is different. Only way to know is to try things. I've learned the hard way that I need a mix of carbs and fat. I've done the typical Paleo and it made me sick. I've done only fruit and it makes me feel a bit off too. Definitely cut out the modern packaged and processed crap, I dont know a single person who thrives off that.

Blood sugar tests are cheap as heck. Buy a 15 dollar machine from your local pharmacy and check it yourself. Eating fruit by itself will not spike your levels unless you've been abusing fat. For me at least!

[Chad Daring]

What is everyones opinion of Naked brand juice? I know chewing your calories is best, but if you believe the bottle its literally just blended fruits and veggies, all natural, no preservatives.

[kbell]

Tastes good, but has more sugar than sodas. So just have them for a treat every now and than. The problem with fructose is is simlilar to sugar so it makes you crave more sugar. I've been eating too many fruits lately, seems to be great for my mind, but makes me sluggish and not peppy.

I gained a lot of weight when I was doing a lot of endurance. Lost it when I switched over to lower carb. Have some sort of sensitivity to gluten since it tends to depress me and make my joints ache.

[_DC_]

(09-28-2011 09:32 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Tastes good, but has more sugar than sodas. So just have them for a treat every now and than. The problem with fructose is is simlilar to sugar so it makes you crave more sugar. I've been eating too many fruits lately, seems to be great for my mind, but makes me sluggish and not peppy.

I gained a lot of weight when I was doing a lot of endurance. Lost it when I switched over to lower carb. Have some sort of sensitivity to gluten since it tends to depress me and make my joints ache.

Yeah somebody on here recommended Almond Milk. My god, it tastes SOOOOO good (vanilla flavor), but wayy too many sugars (15g a serving). Maybe they make an unsweetened kind?

I'm actually thinking about switching to a CKD type diet where its basically Paleo but you refeed carbs on the weekend. This will help me stick with this and not go crazy.

I'm doing IF during the week too so its pretty hardcore stuff.

[DGS]

Roosh I've done something very close to paleo (basically it was that, but sometimes I added beans) for a couple of months. It was working ok - although I doubt eating fruits over beans is better for leaning out. I was wondering what intrinsic things it would bring - better feeling, more glow in my eyes, etc. I don't know if these things happened, I did feel more athletic but that could have been my new shoes

What is your goal?